[Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-09-19 16:30 UTC
Hello everyone, You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Localisation team[1] at the Wikimedia Foundation. Date: 2012-09-19 Time: 16.30 UTC Venue: #wikimedia-office Agenda: 1. Project Milkshake update. 2. Language teams and tracking i18n metrics. 3. Q A For more logistical info and time conversion links check the page on Meta.[2] To know what the localisation team has been up to recently, check out * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project_Milkshake * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_23_demo.pdf * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_23_demo.ogv Thanks, and we hope to talk to you soon! [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Localisation_team [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours -- Srikanth L Wikimedia Localisation Team ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] a slightly weird search result in the Italian Wikipedia
The algorithm used to rank search results uses ... a variant of page rank so the reasons may lay off the actual page. - Oren Bochman On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 12:11 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Autopratica is actually not a valid word: or rather, it's a neologism from a new/fringe theory, possibly grammatical thanks to the productivity of auto- but slightly confusing due to the jargon-meaning of pratica here. That said, the reason is surely in that link label, which is the only use of the word on the wiki. Nemo __**_ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Oren Bochman Office tel. 061 4921492 Mobile +36 30 866 6706 skype id: orenbochman e-mail: o...@romai-horizon.com site http://www.riverport.hu ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Notification bubble system
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:44:14 -0700, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: Great stuff. I think it should be in mw.util , alongside mw.util.jsMessage() , which I assume it obsoletes. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/19199/ Krinkle, Aug 27th Is the system documented somewhere already so gadget/script authors can start using it? I don't see anything yet in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Default_modules -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
Do we have any stats on IPv6 accesses and edits on Wikimedia sites? I see this page on stats, which suggests it's literally so small we can't even count it: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportCountryData.htm Is that actually the case? 'Cos we do know IPv6 edits occur, therefore IPv6 page views occur. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
On 17 September 2012 11:25, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have any stats on IPv6 accesses and edits on Wikimedia sites? I see this page on stats, which suggests it's literally so small we can't even count it: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportCountryData.htm Is that actually the case? 'Cos we do know IPv6 edits occur, therefore IPv6 page views occur. That's a split by country, why would it mention IPv6? Judging by the number of anonymous edits coming from IPv6 addresses, there might be fairly high usage. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Disabling direct pushing to master for extensions
Am 29.08.2012 21:58, schrieb Chad: Hi everyone, This is something I've been meaning to bring up for some time, but have just been delaying getting it done. For a bunch of reasons, we need to look at disabling direct pushing on the master branch for all extensions in Gerrit. This doesn't affect other branches, just master. There's a couple of big reasons this is a problem right now, and why we need to change: 1) Eventually, we'll be running tests for all extensions (at the very least linting if no phpunit tests have been written). Jenkins doesn't have the change to -1 a commit if you skip review. 2) It doesn't give anyone a place to complain about the patch. Every commit to master needs a place to say Hey wait a minute -- even if it's already been merged. 3) Changes that are directly pushed aren't searchable from Gerrit. This is more a feature request for Gerrit, but one that's easily worked around by just pushing through Gerrit. I realize that feature branches don't necessarily need the same level of scrutiny, but the primary branch for a repository needs to be as public as possible--direct pushing makes this difficult. I don't plan on changing this requirement for any branch that's not master or wmf/ (the latter relating to deployment config). Before I make the change though, I wanted to ask about it publicly to make sure there's no major blockers to me doing so. Thanks for any feedback you can give. -Chad Just a note from point of Translatewiki.net staff: All pushes to Git bypassing Gerrit are lost for Translatewiki.net. I read every merged patchset but and decide what to do in case of changes to i18n files (importing, syncing, fuzzying, mass replaces, moves etc). Raimond signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
On 17 September 2012 12:36, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 September 2012 11:25, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have any stats on IPv6 accesses and edits on Wikimedia sites? I see this page on stats, which suggests it's literally so small we can't even count it: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportCountryData.htm Is that actually the case? 'Cos we do know IPv6 edits occur, therefore IPv6 page views occur. That's a split by country, why would it mention IPv6? Judging by the number of anonymous edits coming from IPv6 addresses, there might be fairly high usage. Indeed. So where are the actual stats? - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
On World IP6 day (June 6th 2012), we had about 5000 IP6 hits, however, for the first 17 days of September we had a total of 1,000,032,000 hits coming from IP6 addresses. This is based on the sampled squid log data. Best, Diederik On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:03 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 September 2012 12:36, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 September 2012 11:25, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have any stats on IPv6 accesses and edits on Wikimedia sites? I see this page on stats, which suggests it's literally so small we can't even count it: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportCountryData.htm Is that actually the case? 'Cos we do know IPv6 edits occur, therefore IPv6 page views occur. That's a split by country, why would it mention IPv6? Judging by the number of anonymous edits coming from IPv6 addresses, there might be fairly high usage. Indeed. So where are the actual stats? - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
Are you sure about that number? There are a suspicious number of zeros in it! On Sep 17, 2012 6:51 PM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@wikimedia.org wrote: On World IP6 day (June 6th 2012), we had about 5000 IP6 hits, however, for the first 17 days of September we had a total of 1,000,032,000 hits coming from IP6 addresses. This is based on the sampled squid log data. Best, Diederik On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:03 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 September 2012 12:36, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 September 2012 11:25, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have any stats on IPv6 accesses and edits on Wikimedia sites? I see this page on stats, which suggests it's literally so small we can't even count it: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportCountryData.htm Is that actually the case? 'Cos we do know IPv6 edits occur, therefore IPv6 page views occur. That's a split by country, why would it mention IPv6? Judging by the number of anonymous edits coming from IPv6 addresses, there might be fairly high usage. Indeed. So where are the actual stats? - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] HTML5, it's a coming (again)!
This change has been made now. Rob On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Forwarded as this is of potentially wider interest. This may be a breaking change for some older bots that haven't been maintained. -- Forwarded message -- From: Sam Reed re...@wikimedia.org Date: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:06 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] HTML5, it's a coming (again)! To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org It's been a long time coming (for the nth time..), but we're scheduling a deployment of HTML5 across the Wikimedia cluster [1]. This is set for Monday 17th September at 18:00-20:00 UTC [2]. The intention is to set $wgHtml5 [3] to true everywhere. It's been running on MediaWiki.org and our 2 test wikis for quite a while, and other sites like translatewiki.net with no issues. The intention is to leave it enabled unless it causes major problems. If you're running an application that screen scrapes, shame on you; you've had enough notice to get it fixed! ;) Now is the time to fix up your scripts and programs (where necessary), tell your friends! Sam [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27478 [2] http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Software_deployments#Week_of_Sept_17 [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgHtml5 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
Are you sure about that number? There are a suspicious number of zeros in it! Agreed. Have that many ISPs started to roll out their IPv6 networks to subscribers? Do we have an alternative log that could be used to double check those numbers? Thank you, Derric Atzrott ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
On Sep 17, 2012 6:51 PM, Diederik van Liere wrote: On World IP6 day (June 6th 2012), we had about 5000 IP6 hits, however, for the first 17 days of September we had a total of 1,000,032,000 hits coming from IP6 addresses. This is based on the sampled squid log data. Le 17/09/12 20:10, Thomas Dalton a écrit : Are you sure about that number? There are a suspicious number of zeros in it! The squid logs are sampled, we only collect 1/1000th of them. So if we ever end up with 1 000 032 hits in them, you have to times by 1000 to get an estimation of the correct value. Nothing wrong, great to know we already have passed a billion hits ;) -- Antoine hashar Musso ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Are you sure about that number? There are a suspicious number of zeros in it! Agreed. Have that many ISPs started to roll out their IPv6 networks to subscribers? Do we have an alternative log that could be used to double check those numbers? At peak we can get between 100,000 - 140,000 requests per second. The number provided by Diederik isn't very surprising. - Ryan ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
Le 17/09/12 20:24, Derric Atzrott a écrit : Agreed. Have that many ISPs started to roll out their IPv6 networks to subscribers? IPv6 started kicking off at the end of 2010. It is linearly growing since that. I know at least of Japan and France having a good number of IPv6 eyeballs. Google has a nice chart showing IPv6 connectivity percentage among its users: http://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics.html I know a ton of ISP have IPv6 internally already, deploying it to end users is a bit more challenging since it needs to work on various materials using your custom configuration and you will need your customer support team ready to solve the issues that might arise. The french ISP did enable it a few years ago. They use a few kind of homemade hardware for all their subscriber and IPv6 is an option that need to be enabled by the end user. Comcast (a cable operator in US) has already ran out of IPv4 private IP to manage their network so happily worked on IPv6. I don't know about mobile ISP, but I am pretty sure some of them are using IPv6 as well. Though they probably use v6-v4 NAT systems :( To sum it up, ISP and major content providers are ready. Migrating eyeballs will take slightly more time :-] Anyway, we are diverging from the topic. -- Antoine hashar Musso ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
Anyway, we are diverging from the topic. Thank you for it though. It was very informative and puts those numbers (and therefore the rest of the conversation that will likely occur) in context. I'm sure Thomas and I weren't the only two people reading this list that didn't know that. Sorry for our tangent. Thank you, Derric Atzrott ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] IPv6 usage on Wikimedia?
.log-20120907.gz,57145 /a/squid/archive/sampled/sampled-1000.log-20120908.gz,55405 /a/squid/archive/sampled/sampled-1000.log-20120909.gz,57327 /a/squid/archive/sampled/sampled-1000.log-20120910.gz,62846 /a/squid/archive/sampled/sampled-1000.log-20120911.gz,64504 /a/squid/archive/sampled/sampled-1000.log-20120912.gz,67244 /a/squid/archive/sampled/sampled-1000.log-20120913.gz,66028 /a/squid/archive/sampled/sampled-1000.log-20120914.gz,64032 /a/squid/archive/sampled/sampled-1000.log-20120915.gz,57753 /a/squid/archive/sampled/sampled-1000.log-20120916.gz,57763 /a/squid/archive/sampled/sampled-1000.log-20120917.gz,65775 On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Anyway, we are diverging from the topic. Thank you for it though. It was very informative and puts those numbers (and therefore the rest of the conversation that will likely occur) in context. I'm sure Thomas and I weren't the only two people reading this list that didn't know that. Sorry for our tangent. Thank you, Derric Atzrott ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Notification bubble system
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote:
... yes, but now that we're on the subject, lets try to aim for
standardization here instead of encouraging arbitrary HTML for layout (I'd
like to phase that out sooner rather than later). We can allow HTML inside
the body (e.g. for hyperlinks which are allowed even in edit summaries),
though we could call jQuery .text() on html and disallow HTML completely
(while still keeping output clean of html characters). We'll see about that
later. One step at a time.
I propose to implement the following content options (in addition to the
configuration options we have like autoHide and tag). Inspired by API
for Notification Center as found in OS X and iOS:
* icon (optional)
Must be square and transparent. Can potentially be displayed in different
sizes. Important here to know that this icon is for source identification,
not message type. I think it is good design to keep images out of
notifications. No smilies, check marks or the like (unless the icon of a
feature contains it).
* title (optional)
Title of the message. If too long, will be auto-ellipsis-ified.
* body (required)
Spans around up to 3 or 4 lines. If too long, will be auto-ellipsis-ified
(in the case of a confirmation it would contain just one or two sentences,
in case of a notification of en edit it might show (part of an) edit
summary).
* buttons (optional, multi, recommendation is to use 2 buttons, not 1 or
3+ )
Similar to jQuery UI dialog buttons): Label text and callback function.
There can be be no two buttons with the same label. When a message has
buttons it basically becomes what would be called an Alert (has buttons
and doesn't autohide) in Notification Center lingo (as opposed to
Banner, which autohides and has no buttons). It makes sense to
automatically enforce autoHide:false if buttons are set.
Applications / Features that send many notifications might abstract part
of this internally, like:
code
var extPath = mw.config.get( 'wgExtensionAssetsPath' ) + '/Feature';
/**
* @param {mw.Title} title
* @param {Object} revision Information about revision as given by the API.
*/
Feature.prototype.editNotif = function( title, revision ) {
return mw.notify({
content: {,
icon: extPath + '/modules/ext.Feature.foo/images/notify.icon.png',
title: title.getPrefixedText(),
body: $.parseHTML( revision.parsedcomment )
},
config: {
autoHide: true
});
};
/code
Following up on what I said previously about wanting to build on top of
this, there are some usability enhancements proposed at bug #40307.
On the truncation issue: length is already something of an issue, from my
perspective. For example: the default watchlist message, which is 37 words,
seems to have been written on the assumption that the notification
container would be much wider. I've heard some complaints about it.[1] I'm
not sure if truncation is the correct method, but we should do something to
keep messages short.
Steven
1. [10:22:25] Fluffernutter: the javascript flash for watchlisting is
driving me very slightly nuts - it lasts too long and blocks out text
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[Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hub link to the footer of Wikimedia wikis
Hi. There's a fairly straightforward request to add an API/Developer/Developer Hub link to the footer of Wikimedia wikis, near the Disclaimers, Mobile view, etc. links: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33464. This should be fairly trivial to implement, but I wanted to check if there were any objections to such an idea. The basic rationale for including such a link is that other sites such as Twitter and Facebook and Wordnik have similar links. This kind of link encourages viewers to become involved in development for the project (e.g., Wikipedia), as opposed to the MediaWiki logo, which serves a somewhat different purpose/functionality. Assuming there aren't any objections to the idea, the only remaining question seems to be where to point such a link. Brandon suggested https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Help. I'm wondering if there's an API basics FAQ or something similar on mediawiki.org that could be included in whatever landing page is chosen. Something that includes common questions about the API such as What formats are available?, Do I need an API key? (which I think is a pretty major question to answer, given how many other APIs I've come across work), How can I get started developing for Wikimedia wikis?, etc. Does anyone know if such a page exists already? MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
