Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
Nice! I like it a lot! Have you considered a maximum column width to make text more readable on wide screens? Quick'n'ugly mockup: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23027995/Screen%20Shot%202014-07-14%20at%2009.24.21.png On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 09:26 +0100, Magnus Manske wrote: Have you considered a maximum column width to make text more readable on wide screens? Quick'n'ugly mockup: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23027995/Screen%20Shot%202014-07-14%20at%2009.24.21.png VectorBeta had this for a short time. See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59815 for records, links, complaints. andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Tell my favorite conference about your Wikimedia tech
Deadline extended to Sunday 20 July. http://linux.conf.au/media/news/41 The conference organisers will notify you (about whether they accepted your talk) in September. linux.conf.au/cfp Sumana Harihareswara Senior Technical Writer Wikimedia Foundation On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: The linux.conf.au conference, which I have presented to and love going to, just opened up its call for talks: http://linux.conf.au/cfp . They want talks about all kinds of open source programming stuff, not just Linux: Trevor and I presented about ResourceLoader in 2012, and James and I presented about VisualEditor in 2014. LCA 2015 will be 12-16 January in Auckland, New Zealand. That's summer in the Southern Hemisphere, and the climate there is very moderate, so no sweltering heat like in Australia :) LCA provides travel funding to some speakers, and Wikimedia funds TPS grants for people going to conferences to talk about Wikimedia-related things: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS . So you could even get to go for free. LCA is basically my favorite conference - the talks are great and of high quality, they treat speakers well, and their audience gets what we're doing. This is a fun chance to show off your project. I encourage you to suggest a talk, or tell someone else that they should talk about their project. Roan P.S.: Thanks to Sumana for writing most of this email, and for talking me into proposing a talk for LCA in the first place back in 2011 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] User agent policy for bots
Note this reply represents my own views, but does not represent an official WMF position. On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:25 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: It would be good to know the answer to whether the username is logged against API requests. It seems like a very important piece of information which should be visible in server ops logging of API usage. The API request log does record usernames. And doesn't contain user agents, for that matter. But my guess is that at least some of the types of problems Ops would be concerned with are in different log files that probably do not contain usernames but do contain user agents. username is easy, if it is needed. I would include username. The only harm is a few extra bytes per request. pywiki requiring bot operators provide an email address is technically easy, but I suspect it isnt going to be very successful or appreciated, esp for non-SSL wikis, or understood as pywiki hasnt put this info in the user-agent since the new user-agent policy was introduced, so why now? I don't see any particular need for email addresses if the on-wiki username is provided. The key is some method of contact. If the main source of problems is the 'large' bots, they usually run many tasks, and it is likely to only be a single task causing problems. With these large tasks, ideally they are paused rather than blocked, in which case we need to introduce a standardised way to pause a bot. In these cases, the user agent could mention the task identifier, and that identifier could be used to pause it until an operator has checked their email. The 'pause' command interface could be IRC or user_talk, or something new based on Flow, or a API response warning like replag which pywikibot honours. I appreciate Bináris' point that some (most?) wikis, especially smaller wikis, do not have 'task approval' processes with a task identifier, so this would need to be optional. Large bot operators would use this feature if it meant that only a single task is paused rather than the bot account blocked. For the normal usage of pywikibot, being invoking an existing script which is maintained by pywikibot, we could include in the user-agent which script is running (e.g. move.py). Including the task name, which for pywikibot could be the script name, seems sensible to me. Besides the stated distinguishing which script in a multi-task bot is problematic, it would also help in determining that multiple accounts/IPs are running the same problematic script. I wouldn't go as far as requiring the task name to correspond to any particular on-wiki approval, although bots on wikis with such approval processes could well use the title of the approval page as their task name. What user agents do the other large editing frameworks use? I can tell you AnomieBOT uses AnomieBOT 1.0 ($TASKNAME; see [[User:$USERNAME]]). Not sure if you consider it a large editing framework. The task names the bot uses are generally listed on the bot's userpage; various one-off scripts I use locally will use some ad-hoc identifier, or no task if I forgot to have the script set a task name. (I should change that to start with AnomieBOT/1.0 to comply with RFC 2616, now that I think of it) -- Brad Jorsch (Anomie) Software Engineer Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Scribunto, Lua 5.2, and forward compatibility for Module code
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:22 AM, gnosygnu gnosy...@gmail.com wrote:
* Will Scribunto support Lua 5.2 in the future? According to this comment,
it may:
https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Scribunto/blob/master/Scribunto.php#L140
It may someday, but there's no hurry to change over. And changing over will
involve some rewriting of the sandboxing which will need security auditing.
See https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/139479/ for example.
* If so, what is the best approach to ensure forward compatibility of
Module code for 5.2? Note that code that is valid for 5.1 may break in
5.2. (Again, see below for details)
** Should there be a reference page on MediaWiki or in the enwiki Wikipedia
Namespace that details these breaking issues for other Module writers?
Feel free to create one.
** Or should 5.1 vs 5.2 issues be corrected on a case-by-case basis for
each Module?
They'd have to be anyway.
** Or should they be left as is, as any future-proofing may be unnecessary
and / or premature?
Possibly.
* Lastly, is there a general purpose mailing list for Scribunto issues?
I've had a few technical questions in the past that have been painful to
sort out on my own. I'd like to think that there might be other Module
writers who would also be interested in a mailing list as well.
No. There are various talk pages on enwiki and other wikis that are used
for this purpose, although I don't remember the specifics offhand and am
too lazy to search right now. ;)
* In contrast, Lua 5.2 has code that only cares if a base is not specified.
// http://www.lua.org/source/5.2/lbaselib.c.html
static int luaB_tonumber (lua_State *L) {
if (lua_isnoneornil(L, 2)) { /* standard conversion */
** If a base is specified, Lua 5.2 will not do the standard conversion, and
instead try to parse the number
** This parse code only accepts alpha-numeric characters. The dot is
considered invalid, and any decimal number is converted to NIL
Possibly sensible since it removes a weird special case of base-10 being
different from all other bases.
Finally, I've come across a related issue with the varargs operator
(...). This operator is valid in 5.1, but not in 5.2. I've seen some
Modules use this varargs operator, that will presumably just break in 5.2.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Horizontal_timeline and function
getNotNilValue(...)
Note the 'arg' parameter is already deprecated in 5.1, so people should
already be avoiding it. See http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7.1
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
I think it's because encoding not declared. On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Who maintains GeoCrumbs? (a changeset waits for review)
Hi, GeoCrumbs is an extension deployed in Wikimedia servers: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeoCrumbs It has no official maintainers, what about unofficial ones? Any volunteers? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Maintainers It also has one of the oldest code contributions waiting to be reviewed by anybody other than Jenkins. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/65285/ Because of this change, GeoCrumbs currently leads the list of slowest projects reviewing patches. http://korma.wmflabs.org/browser/gerrit_review_queue.html -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
As I've said before, it doesn't work in IE. I've only just gained access to a Windows laptop and I'll see what I can do. On Jul 14, 2014, at 5:55 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Moving Mathoid to production cluster
I would really like to see this follow the standard deploy scheme: implement it in beta labs; then enable it for mediawiki.org and test2wiki; then enable it on production cluster nodes. -Chris On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Moritz Schubotz phy...@physikerwelt.de wrote: Hi, during the last year the math extension achieved a goal defined back in 2003. Support of MathML. In addition there is SVG support for MathML disabled browsers. (See http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.6179 for the details) I would like to give Wikipedia users a chance to test this new long awaited feature. Therefore we would need a mathoid instance that is accessible from the production cluster. Greg Grossmeier already created the required table in the database. (Sorry for the friction connected with this process) Currently the MathJax team is working on a phantom.js less method to render texvc to mathml and svg. Some days ago I have tested that it, and it works quite well. I would appreciate a discussion with ops that to figure out how this can be can go to production. The original idea was to use jenkins to build the mathoid debian package. Even though the debian package builds without any issues in the launchpad ppa repo jenkins can not build the package. If there is a reference project that uses jenkins to build debian packages that go to production this would really help to figure out what is different for mathoid and why the package building does not work even though it works on launchpad. Best Physikerwelt PS: I was informed that there is a related RT that I can not access https://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=6077 -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Moritz Schubotz ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Winter, v. 0.6
Beautiful! When can we expect to be able to enable this as a beta feature and try it out on Wikipedia.org? On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brandon for letting us know about this. Since it will be many hours before I have a chance to make comments elsewhere, I'm going to let you know that, using a Win7 platform and IE9, the screen is illegible. All writing is in a faint shade of grey (or blue where applicable); text overlaps images and infoboxes; and there's massive whitespace to the right of the screen. Because of the very faint text, I can't be certain what's supposed to be above the title; however, what is there looks to all be crowded over to the right of the screen above the large amount of whitespace. I'll try to grab a screenshot and send it in. Risker/Anne On 14 July 2014 01:03, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I have uploaded a new version of the Winter framework/prototype, v. 0.6. http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/ This version has significant changes over 0.5. The entire undercarriage has been refactored into a framework to allow for anyone to do rapid prototyping within their own copy. The source code has been installed into gerrit, in the form of two depots, one of which is for specialized modules that change the way the prototype behaves (snowflakes). Links to the source depots are available at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#The_Winter_Framework This release adds in several major changes: * Right rail functionality, designed to surface content * Search functionality * Watchlist functionality (for testing) * A revisit to the design of the edit interface. A full changelog for version 0.6 can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Winter#Version_0.6.2C_July_13.2C_2014 As usual, feedback is welcomed here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Madison PHP wants speakers, can cover travel
http://cfp.madisonphpconference.com/ If you've never presented at a conference before, sometimes a smaller regional conference is an easier way to get started. Madison PHP is one day (Saturday, September 13th, 2014) and seeks talks for attendees at all skill levels. And their speaker compensation package includes complimentary airfare/travel and hotel. I suggest you submit talks: * on MediaWiki extension development, like http://opensourcebridge.org/wiki/2014/Extension_Development_with_Mediawiki (slides available) * on HipHop and HHVM * on coding conventions https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Coding_conventions/PHP * on how you do code review The proposal deadline is Monday, July 21. Sumana Harihareswara Senior Technical Writer Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Screenshot of Winter on Win7/IE9
This doesn't really surprise me since it is a prototype but it should be easily fixable if this was to be production-ized. I suspect since Winter is a prototype Brandon hasn't been testing against IE9. Brandon, maybe in future when releasing prototypes it would be good to state what browser is was built on and thus optimized for. On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarding to the list in case anyone else is interested in seeing the screenshot. Please note the comments below. Risker -- Forwarded message -- From: Risker risker...@gmail.com Date: 14 July 2014 09:03 Subject: Screenshot of Winter on Win7/IE9 To: bhar...@wikimedia.org Hi Brandon - attaching this for you, feel free to upload, I release this screenprint under the GDFL and CC-BY-SA. The screenprint is a tiny bit worse than the actual screen - the letters are more broken up in the screenshot. Otherwise, the colour, the spacing and the overlaps are the same. Risker/Anne ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Deprecating print-on-demand functionality
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com wrote: so the Book Creator will still be active, maybe under another name, maybe with another engine, but still active? Same name and functionality, just the Order a printed book feature will disappear. Erik That is great -- the book creator and PDF tools are both good tools, and are very handy for projects big and small, especially projects like Wikibooks and Wikivoyage that need to make offline reading easy. (I have actually used both tools the most on internal wikis; when I need to catch up on big discussions, I've made many pdfs from meta that I can read offline.) It was a worthwhile experiment with Pediapress, and I'm glad they stuck with it as long as they did! best, -- Phoebe ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
