Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[James Forrester]

On 15 April 2015 at 17:59, Pine W  wrote:

> Thanks James, unfortunately the method that you demonstrate there doesn't
> work with my configuration. Nothing happens when I try that method with
> Firefox, and when I try it with Internet Explorer then IE asks me if I want
> to open the file. Maybe that functionality is specific to Chrome?


​Nope, works fine in Chrome, Firefox, Opera and Safari testing locally.
Possibly something's odd about your system, or we missed something that
makes it break in some circumstances – could you please file a task in
Phabricator? Thanks.

J.
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Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[Pine W]

Thanks James, unfortunately the method that you demonstrate there doesn't
work with my configuration. Nothing happens when I try that method with
Firefox, and when I try it with Internet Explorer then IE asks me if I want
to open the file. Maybe that functionality is specific to Chrome? It would
be great to extend it to other browsers.

Pine

*This is an Encyclopedia* 






*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not
know.*

*—Catherine Munro*

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 5:05 PM, James Forrester 
wrote:

> On 15 April 2015 at 14:55, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hi Trevor,
> >
> > I tried a CSV copy and paste as you suggested, but that doesn't work for
> > me.
>
>
> Ah, no, ​CSV and TSV support is for drag-and-drop, not copy-and-paste
> (which is plain text content):
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VisualEditor_-_demonstration_of_CSV_table_creation.webm
>
> Drag-and-drop of plain text and HTML files inserts the contents, as you
> might expect.
>
> Once it's something that the UploadWizard team can support, we plan that
> drag-and-drop of files will upload them to Commons (with a prompt
> for licensing, naturally) and insert them in context. This is something I'm
> quite keen to see. :-)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> J.
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> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[James Forrester]

On 15 April 2015 at 14:55, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Trevor,
>
> I tried a CSV copy and paste as you suggested, but that doesn't work for
> me.


Ah, no, ​CSV and TSV support is for drag-and-drop, not copy-and-paste
(which is plain text content):

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VisualEditor_-_demonstration_of_CSV_table_creation.webm

Drag-and-drop of plain text and HTML files inserts the contents, as you
might expect.

Once it's something that the UploadWizard team can support, we plan that
drag-and-drop of files will upload them to Commons (with a prompt
for licensing, naturally) and insert them in context. This is something I'm
quite keen to see. :-)

Hope this helps.

J.
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[Wikitech-l] Category watching RFC summary

[Matthew Flaschen]

We had an RFC meeting today about an RFC 
(https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Watch_Categorylinks) regarding 
watching categorization changes.


The original proposal was to use Echo.  However, there were some 
concerns regarding that, regarding performance and UX (this seems more 
consistent with the watchlist's UX).


The decision at the end was to use the recentchanges table.  There are 
two many remaining design questions:


1. Should categorization changes (on pages using the template) due to a 
template change be ignored?  This would simplify implementation, but 
limit the usefulness of the feature.


If template changes are reflected, there were some suggestions on 
implementation.


One was to create a single bulk event when the template is edited.  The 
problem with this is the template can have different effects on 
different pages using it.


So it would somehow need to keep track of the effects, and create an RC 
entry (with the relevant info either in, or pointed to by, rc_params) at 
the end of the template processing.


Gabriel Wicke suggested an alternate approach that might be easier: 
Point from the RC entry to an ID, and keep updating the list of pages 
affected by that categorization batch as it progresses.  It could maybe 
use the revid of the template/underlying page change as this ID.


2. Whether to allow watching only the category page (i.e. the 
description of the category), or require watching both that and 
categorization/decategorization together.  If the latter, filtering 
(e.g. "ignore categorization/decategorization" view) could be done on 
the watchlist page.


The RFC will be updated.

Matt Flaschen

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Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[Pine W]

Hi Trevor,

I tried a CSV copy and paste as you suggested, but that doesn't work for
me. The only workflow that is successful is spreadsheet -> word processor
-> VisualEditor. I can't drag a CSV file into VisualEditor, nor can I copy
directly from a spreadsheet and paste into VisualEditor. It would be great
to have those capabilities.

Pine

*This is an Encyclopedia* 






*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not
know.*

*—Catherine Munro*

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Trevor Parscal 
wrote:

> Pine,
>
> I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a
> feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can be
> dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
>
> Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and Copy/Paste.
>
> - Trevor
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2015, Amir E. Aharoni <
> amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il>
> wrote:
>
> > Hear hear.
> >
> > The VE people's amazing wizardry deserves praise.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> > http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> > ‪“We're living in pieces,
> > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
> >
> > 2015-04-15 11:05 GMT+03:00 Pine W >:
> >
> > > James,
> > >
> > > I just want to say a public "thank you" for VE saving my sanity by
> doing
> > > something that I didn't know was possible. I was able to copy a table
> > from
> > > Word onto Meta using VisualEditor, and much to my surprise it mostly
> > > worked. I must have tried at least five other ways to get one of
> Cascadia
> > > Wikimedians' annual plan tables copied from Google Docs onto Meta, all
> > with
> > > poor results. While VisualEditor only copied part of the formatting
> into
> > > MediaWiki, the results were far better than anything else I had tried
> for
> > > the past few hours. So thank you very much for supporting this
> > > copy-and-paste functionality with VisualEditor.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > > *This is an Encyclopedia* 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock
> of
> > > our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water
> > we
> > > must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
> > > which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the
> broad
> > > fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do
> > not
> > > know.*
> > >
> > > *—Catherine Munro*
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[Wikitech-l] User manipulation of change tags, coming soon to a wiki near you

[Brad Jorsch (Anomie)]

Thanks to some hard and awesome work by This, that and the other (a.k.a
TTO), the long-requested feature of allowing users to add and remove change
tags (see T20670 ) has been
merged and should be rolled out with 1.26wmf3.[1]

Tags defined by MediaWiki or extensions, such as "HHVM", "visualeditor", or
"mobile edit", cannot be added or removed by this feature. Only tags
specifically activated for the purpose may be added, and only those tags or
tags that are unknown to MediaWiki beyond being on some existing revisions
may be removed.

Management of such tags is already available to users with the
'managechangetags' right (admins by default) via Special:Tags.

Tagging and untagging of individual revisions and log entries will come
with 1.26wmf3. Tags may be applied by users with the 'applychangetags'
right when making an edit,[2] and existing revisions and log entries may be
tagged and untagged by users with the 'changetags' right via an interface
much like that for revision deletion. Both of these rights are granted to
all logged-in users by default.

If the default assignment of these rights is a concern for the community of
any WMF-hosted wiki, please follow the procedure at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes to
request the necessary configuration change.

For API users, the relevant modules include action=managetags, action=tag,
and action=query&list=tags.[3]



 [1]: See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.26/Roadmap for the
schedule
 [2]: By default there is no UI provided on the edit screen, but gadgets
may add a 'wpChangeTags' field with a comma-separated list of tags. API
users may use the new 'tags' parameter to action=edit.
 [3]: See
http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=managetags|tag|query+tags
for help, and post questions to mediawiki-api
.

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[Wikitech-l] Scrum of Scrums notes, 2015-04-15

[Dan Andreescu]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Scrum_of_scrums/2015-04-15
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[Wikitech-l] Fwd: 2016 European Hackathon: Looking for Proposals

[Rachel Farrand]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rachel Farrand 
Date: Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 4:37 PM
Subject: 2016 European Hackathon: Looking for Proposals
To: chapt...@wikimedia.ch, wikitech-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hello!

Is your chapter interested in hosting the 2016 European Hackathon? We are
looking for proposals!

We have put together some information for potential hackathon organizers
here  and
some general information about hackathon objectives here
.

This years Wikimedia Hackathon 2015
 will be held in
Lyon, France in May. Ideally we will announce the host for 2016 in Lyon. If
multiple chapters are interested, we will work together to figure out the
the best solution.

If you are interested in hosting or have any questions about the process
you have a few options:
1) Create a Phabricator task and associate it with the
Engineering-Community project. Include as much information as possible from
the first step section of the proposing a hackathon
 wiki
page.
2) Email me at rfarr...@wikimedia.org with any questions or concerns

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Rachel Farrand
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Engineering Community Team
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Lists as first class citizens

[Amir E. Aharoni]

I agree that lists is a bigger thing in Wikimedia world than many people
think, possibly because of lot of work on lists happens as homegrown
projects by caring volunteer editors. Various personal and group task
lists, backlogs[1], wikiprojects, list-based editathons, education
programs, Articles needing expert attention, stub sorting, navboxes,
articles that every Wikipedia should have, translation projects, plain old
list articles and so on and so on.

There are also special pages that could be relevant, such as WantedPages,
AncientPages, WithoutInterwiki, and many others, but they are frequently
incomplete, out-of-date, and not engaging beyond showing a list. How about
tracking the progress of how many pages were in the list a year ago and how
many are there today? Or gentle gamifying - which user created the most
articles that were on the WantedPages list over the last year?

I have this in mind for ContentTranslation:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96147
Maybe it will use Gather in some way, but the really important point is
that it can go way beyond translation.

[1] I remember User:Sj calling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Backlog "the best page on
Wikipedia"; he's quite right.


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2015-04-03 1:19 GMT+03:00 Jon Robson :

> I am writing to invite you to preview and hopefully contribute to
> Gather [1], a new MediaWiki extension that allows users to create,
> share, and discover lists of articles. Gather is currently available
> for all users of the mobile site who have opted in to beta. This
> launch was primarily for the community to test it and to pardon the
> pun... gather... some data. We would love for you to try it out and
> share your feedback with us.
>
> The best way to explain what Gather lists are is to contrast them with
> existing facilities for grouping articles: categories and list
> articles. Categories and list articles exist in subject namespaces,
> and their goal is to provide navigational links for articles whose
> subjects share some common, defining property. Gather lists have a
> similar goal of facilitating content discovery but differ in that they
> allow users the ability to group articles on the basis of any
> criterion, whether this be overtly subjective and irreverent
> ("articles I enjoy"); curated on the basis of cultivated tastes and
> informed opinions ("the most groundbreaking discoveries in
> chemistry"); educational at a more localised level ("Pages that Mr
> Robson's  A-level chemistry students should read") or simply a
> personal todo list ("articles i want to edit/read today").
>
> The Gather lists you create are currently your own [A] and you decide
> whether or not they are visible to others [B].
> To see some example lists check out:
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Gather/by/Jdlrobson/23
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Gather/by/Jdlrobson/35
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Gather/by/Sonasonic/71
>
> If you want to have a go at making your own lists you have two options
> (both require a mediawiki account):
> 1) Opt in to mobile site beta:
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileOptions&returnto=Serge+Gainsbourg
> and then interact with the watchstar
> 2) Try it out on Vector [C]:
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jdlrobson/vector.js
>
> To build this we have looked at the existing watchlist code, the
> Collections extension, the multiple lists in core RFC and the many
> feature requests around watchlist that span the lifetime of this
> project. Apologies in advance for lack of documentation, sometimes
> talking and back and forth over IRC/coffee is more productive then
> writing extensive documentation, but I promise you the team has been
> listening to all sorts of use cases.
>
> As a result I think now we have the first essential building block -
> the ability for a user to store and access a structured public or
> private list.
>
> We have APIs that will allow you to:
> * create new lists that are private or public
> * edit lists
> * add and remove pages to those lists
> * query lists
> * moderators to hide troublesome lists
> * manipulate the watchlist which has special handling to turn it into
> a collection
>
> Next up on the immediate roadmap for those that are interested:
> * Fixing up API bugs, missing documentation
> * Pagination was sorely missing from the first release. Code for that
> has merged so that's coming soon.
> * Polishing the existing user experience and working out how to port
> that to desktop
> * Improving on moderation tools
> * The ability for multiple users to share and manage a list
> * Combining the data inside a list with other data e.g. recent changes
> to make multiple watchlists. I have a first version of this patch
> ready for review [3] and working towards the goal of public/private
> watchlists [4].
>
> We hav

Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[Nestor Urquiza]

I second that. This is an awesome addition. I blogged about it the other
day after we dockerized mediawiki. We automated the whole installation in
case you want to check it out
http://thinkinginsoftware.blogspot.com/2015/04/dockerized-mediawiki-125-upgrade.html

The reason we migrated is because of the promise of Visual Editor and it
did not let us down. We tried first the wikipedia version and we said "we
must switch" immediately ;-)

Great job and congratulations to everyone!

- Nestor

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Trevor Parscal 
wrote:

> Pine,
>
> I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a
> feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can be
> dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.
>
> Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and Copy/Paste.
>
> - Trevor
>
> On Wednesday, April 15, 2015, Amir E. Aharoni <
> amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il>
> wrote:
>
> > Hear hear.
> >
> > The VE people's amazing wizardry deserves praise.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> > http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> > ‪“We're living in pieces,
> > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
> >
> > 2015-04-15 11:05 GMT+03:00 Pine W >:
> >
> > > James,
> > >
> > > I just want to say a public "thank you" for VE saving my sanity by
> doing
> > > something that I didn't know was possible. I was able to copy a table
> > from
> > > Word onto Meta using VisualEditor, and much to my surprise it mostly
> > > worked. I must have tried at least five other ways to get one of
> Cascadia
> > > Wikimedians' annual plan tables copied from Google Docs onto Meta, all
> > with
> > > poor results. While VisualEditor only copied part of the formatting
> into
> > > MediaWiki, the results were far better than anything else I had tried
> for
> > > the past few hours. So thank you very much for supporting this
> > > copy-and-paste functionality with VisualEditor.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > > *This is an Encyclopedia* 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock
> of
> > > our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water
> > we
> > > must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
> > > which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the
> broad
> > > fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do
> > not
> > > know.*
> > >
> > > *—Catherine Munro*
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Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC meeting this week

[Daniel Kinzler]

The European time is off: CEST is UTC+2, so that would mean the IRC meeting
starts at 23:00.

Am 15.04.2015 um 04:59 schrieb Tim Starling:
> * UTC: Wednesday 21:00
> * US PDT: Wednesday 14:00
> * Europe CEST: Wednesday 22:00
> * Australia AEST: Thursday 07:00




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Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[Trevor Parscal]

Pine,

I'm glad to hear VE had your back. This actually reminds me, there's a
feature we never really advertised in VisualEditor where a CSV file can be
dragged into the editor and a table is created from its contents.

Give it a try. And thank Ed Sanders for all things tables and Copy/Paste.

- Trevor

On Wednesday, April 15, 2015, Amir E. Aharoni 
wrote:

> Hear hear.
>
> The VE people's amazing wizardry deserves praise.
>
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> ‪“We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
> 2015-04-15 11:05 GMT+03:00 Pine W >:
>
> > James,
> >
> > I just want to say a public "thank you" for VE saving my sanity by doing
> > something that I didn't know was possible. I was able to copy a table
> from
> > Word onto Meta using VisualEditor, and much to my surprise it mostly
> > worked. I must have tried at least five other ways to get one of Cascadia
> > Wikimedians' annual plan tables copied from Google Docs onto Meta, all
> with
> > poor results. While VisualEditor only copied part of the formatting into
> > MediaWiki, the results were far better than anything else I had tried for
> > the past few hours. So thank you very much for supporting this
> > copy-and-paste functionality with VisualEditor.
> >
> > Pine
> >
> > *This is an Encyclopedia* 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
> > our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water
> we
> > must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
> > which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
> > fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do
> not
> > know.*
> >
> > *—Catherine Munro*
> > ___
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Re: [Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[Amir E. Aharoni]

Hear hear.

The VE people's amazing wizardry deserves praise.


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I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

2015-04-15 11:05 GMT+03:00 Pine W :

> James,
>
> I just want to say a public "thank you" for VE saving my sanity by doing
> something that I didn't know was possible. I was able to copy a table from
> Word onto Meta using VisualEditor, and much to my surprise it mostly
> worked. I must have tried at least five other ways to get one of Cascadia
> Wikimedians' annual plan tables copied from Google Docs onto Meta, all with
> poor results. While VisualEditor only copied part of the formatting into
> MediaWiki, the results were far better than anything else I had tried for
> the past few hours. So thank you very much for supporting this
> copy-and-paste functionality with VisualEditor.
>
> Pine
>
> *This is an Encyclopedia* 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
> our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we
> must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
> which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
> fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not
> know.*
>
> *—Catherine Munro*
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[Wikitech-l] VisualEditor support for table copy-and-paste from Word

[Pine W]

James,

I just want to say a public "thank you" for VE saving my sanity by doing
something that I didn't know was possible. I was able to copy a table from
Word onto Meta using VisualEditor, and much to my surprise it mostly
worked. I must have tried at least five other ways to get one of Cascadia
Wikimedians' annual plan tables copied from Google Docs onto Meta, all with
poor results. While VisualEditor only copied part of the formatting into
MediaWiki, the results were far better than anything else I had tried for
the past few hours. So thank you very much for supporting this
copy-and-paste functionality with VisualEditor.

Pine

*This is an Encyclopedia* 






*One gateway to the wide garden of knowledge, where lies The deep rock of
our past, in which we must delve The well of our future,The clear water we
must leave untainted for those who come after us,The fertile earth, in
which truth may grow in bright places, tended by many hands,And the broad
fall of sunshine, warming our first steps toward knowing how much we do not
know.*

*—Catherine Munro*
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