[Wikitech-l] ? earlier versions of user access levels + permissions

2010-03-25 Thread Farkas, Illes
Hello,

A short question about user access levels and permissions.

Does anyone happen to know, if it is possible to download not the current
version of the list of user access levels and permissions,
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=siteinfosiprop=usergroups,
but
a version of this list at a selected time, e.g., 2007-03-25T08:30:00Z ?

Many thanks in advance,
Illes
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Re: [Wikitech-l] ? earlier versions of user access levels + permissions

2010-03-25 Thread Roan Kattouw
2010/3/25 Farkas, Illes f...@elte.hu:
 Hello,

 A short question about user access levels and permissions.

 Does anyone happen to know, if it is possible to download not the current
 version of the list of user access levels and permissions,
 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=siteinfosiprop=usergroups,
 but
 a version of this list at a selected time, e.g., 2007-03-25T08:30:00Z ?

No. You can probably reconstruct this list yourself using the current
list and the user rights log, but MediaWiki itself doesn't have this
functionality.

Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

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Re: [Wikitech-l] ? earlier versions of user access levels + permissions

2010-03-25 Thread Farkas, Illes

 --- From: Farkas, Illes f...@elte.hu ---


 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=siteinfosiprop=usergroups

 a version of this list at a selected time, e.g., 2007-03-25T08:30:00Z ?



 --- From: Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com ---

No. You can probably reconstruct this list yourself using the current
 list and the user rights log, but MediaWiki itself doesn't have this
 functionality.


Do you mean that the changes to the list of access levels are available? The
current version of the list is at the above API address. (I do not mean the
access levels of the actual users)

Thanks again,
Illes
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Re: [Wikitech-l] ? earlier versions of user access levels + permissions

2010-03-25 Thread Q
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On 3/25/2010 2:45 AM, Farkas, Illes wrote:
 
 Do you mean that the changes to the list of access levels are available? The
 current version of the list is at the above API address. (I do not mean the
 access levels of the actual users)
 
 Thanks again,
 Illes

If you're referring to what rights a group is assigned, then no, there
isn't a historical record. The only way, afaik, is possibly digging
through the wikitech admin log and bugzilla and trying to piece it together.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] ? earlier versions of user access levels + permissions

2010-03-25 Thread Chad
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
 Q wrote:
 On 3/25/2010 2:45 AM, Farkas, Illes wrote:

 Do you mean that the changes to the list of access levels are available? The
 current version of the list is at the above API address. (I do not mean the
 access levels of the actual users)

 Thanks again,
 Illes

 If you're referring to what rights a group is assigned, then no, there
 isn't a historical record. The only way, afaik, is possibly digging
 through the wikitech admin log and bugzilla and trying to piece it together.

 -Q

 Only really old user rights were done by developers.

 Any recent group changes would be viewable in:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALogtype=rights
 or -for sysop demotions-
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALogtype=rights


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He's not asking about rights changes for user accounts. He was wanting
to look at the historical values of $wgGroupPermissions.

Like was said earlier in the thread, the only way to find that is to do some
digging through Bugzilla and who knows where else to find discussions
relating to changes in the setup of user rights.

-Chad

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Re: [Wikitech-l] ? earlier versions of user access levels + permissions

2010-03-25 Thread Tisza Gergő
Q overlordq at gmail.com writes:

 If you're referring to what rights a group is assigned, then no, there
 isn't a historical record. The only way, afaik, is possibly digging
 through the wikitech admin log and bugzilla and trying to piece it together.

The default user group rights are set in includes/DefaultSettings.php (or the
relevant extensions) and their history can be recreated from SVN. Most default
associations were never overridden (though those are the less interesting ones,
I suppose). Important changes can usually be found in Bugzilla, under the
Wikimedia/Site requests component. You could also try to check the page history
of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels .


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Re: [Wikitech-l] ? earlier versions of user access levels + permissions

2010-03-25 Thread Platonides
Chad wrote:
 He's not asking about rights changes for user accounts. He was wanting
 to look at the historical values of $wgGroupPermissions.
 
 Like was said earlier in the thread, the only way to find that is to do some
 digging through Bugzilla and who knows where else to find discussions
 relating to changes in the setup of user rights.
 
 -Chad

Oh, sorry.
I would look at current groups different than the default and how the
default changed over time. But not all current rights existed at 2007.
And the features also changed. For example everybody had what is now
deletedhistory for some time, then it was made a new permission and set
to false (r12241).


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