Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: The code exists and has been revamped a few times in response to reviews, but I'm not sure whether there are actually any assigned resources for pushing it to production at this time. Yes, there are. Ian and Neil are scheduled to do a code review of TMH, once remaining high priority issues with UploadWizard have been resolved, later this month. Before we've done an initial assessment of the code, it's hard to give a realistic deployment estimate -- there may be parts that need to be rewritten or taken out. So I won't commit us to a public date just yet, just to say that it's definitely something I'd like to see user-visible progress on this calendar year. Whatever remaining bugbears are lurking in the code, TMH definitely represents the key set of features that are needed to make video in Wikimedia projects suck significantly less (multi-codec and multi-bitrate derivatives generation; a non-ugly player skin; subtitle support). This is really a baseline feature set that we have to get done (this and better large file upload support) to not give users an embarrassingly bad video experience. -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: The code exists and has been revamped a few times in response to reviews, but I'm not sure whether there are actually any assigned resources for pushing it to production at this time. Yes, there are. Ian and Neil are scheduled to do a code review of TMH, once remaining high priority issues with UploadWizard have been resolved, later this month. Before we've done an initial assessment of the code, it's hard to give a realistic deployment estimate -- there may be parts that need to be rewritten or taken out. So I won't commit us to a public date just yet, just to say that it's definitely something I'd like to see user-visible progress on this calendar year. All good news! The player support is definitely a lot nicer -- and I think we've been running extra JS stuff from that on Commons for a while. The generation handling of derivative files looks like the biggest candidate for potential breakage / rewriting from what I recall (it's still pretty basic in terms of managing processes, so if anything goes wrong it may be tricky to recover). Simply being able to upload larger files will be a big help as well; audio and video clips from eg conference talks are routinely hard to upload to Commons because of the 100mb limit we still have in place for plain HTTP uploads and limited access to upload-by-URL. The upload size limit could be bumped a bit more, but can only be bumped so far before it starts using too much memory during upload -- but there's been work on incremental uploads too, which for many modern browsers will be able to kick in automatically and will bypass that side of the limits, provide better upload progress feedback, and be more reliable in the case of flaky connections or having to put your laptop to sleep! IIRC the incremental uploads aren't part of TMH directly, but is also in Michael's sphere of awesome projectness. :) -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)
On 4 September 2011 21:44, Michael Dale md...@wikimedia.org wrote: It will be a lot easier to import from YouTube once Timed media handler adds support for webm to commons. If you check out the wikivideo-l and commons lists for some recent example YouTube to commons scripts. I know this is not super useful info right this second, but there is hope on the horizon. How's Timed Media Handler (which will also allow WebM/VP8) going? ETA? - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it seems that every year we choose locations that for one reason or the other are likely not to be accessible to some groups or nationality (I hear complaints every year about these issues)(no judgements, just a fact). So I agree that this uploading issue should be faced once for all, setting up a workflow with WMF technicians that would allow videos and slides to be online in reasonable time. Aubrey Yes! if we can set up a system for media upload *before* the next conference to try and address this issue, which does come up every year, that would be fantastic. Copying wikitech :) The problem: how and where should we annually upload video and slides from ~100 conference presentations, keeping them freely easily accessible and the metadata (such as links to papers, submission pages, wikipages of notes, etc) intact? -- phoebe ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 8:04 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Yes! if we can set up a system for media upload *before* the next conference to try and address this issue, which does come up every year, that would be fantastic. Copying wikitech :) The problem: how and where should we annually upload video and slides from ~100 conference presentations, keeping them freely easily accessible and the metadata (such as links to papers, submission pages, wikipages of notes, etc) intact? You upload them to Commons. Of course this is a lot of data, so you'll probably want to rope in a WMF tech person to do a bulk import. I think this won't be a problem for WM2012 with a WMF tech person (Chad) on the organizing committee, and the conference being held half an hour from a datacenter. The latter is nice because it means the WM12 people can put the presentation videos on a data carrier (flash drive, DVDs, external HD, whatever), and transport that data carrier to the datacenter very easily, where it can be hooked up directly to the servers. For the WM11 videos, we need the Haifa people to either upload everything to another location (I think they were gonna upload stuff to the Internet Archive) so we can download them from there, or ship a data carrier to a datacenter (Washington, Tampa or Amsterdam) somehow. Roan Kattouw (Catrope) P.S.: CCing Phoebe because my post to foundation-l will bounce since I'm not subscribed. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
