Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

[Tito Dutta]

Hello,
That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for
working on this.

Thanks
Tito Dutta
Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind
me over email or phone call.


On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:

> Hey,
> "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in Wikimedia
> CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using commercial
> services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications
> [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
>
> If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user and
> password. You can share the username and password with anyone you want to
> meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also give me
> your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You can also
> contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
>
> In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for Ticketmasters
> too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any
> technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
>
> If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly appreciated) let
> me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical documentation
> in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like
> puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication,
> trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can find
> the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself if you
> feel like helping out.
>
> [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
> [2]
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-coronavirus-video-conferencing
> [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
>
> Hope that would be useful for our users :)
> Best
> --
> Amir (he/him)
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

[Amir Sarabadani]

Hey,
A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on,
ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't send
them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token and
they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use that
in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for yourself.

Stay safe, stay home.

On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

>  I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the
> volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction.
> A.M.
>
> Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <
> trulyt...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>  Hello,
> That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for
> working on this.
>
> Thanks
> Tito Dutta
> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind
> me over email or phone call.
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> > "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
> Wikimedia
> > CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using commercial
> > services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications
> > [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
> >
> > If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user and
> > password. You can share the username and password with anyone you want to
> > meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also give
> me
> > your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You can
> also
> > contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
> >
> > In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for Ticketmasters
> > too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any
> > technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
> >
> > If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly appreciated)
> let
> > me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
> documentation
> > in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like
> > puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication,
> > trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can find
> > the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself if
> you
> > feel like helping out.
> >
> > [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> > [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-coronavirus-video-conferencing
> > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> >
> > Hope that would be useful for our users :)
> > Best
> > --
> > Amir (he/him)
> > ___
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> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

[Tony Thomas]

Hey Amir (and team),

Is there an option to make it require username/password to create a meeting
and not join ?

Like, I can share the link around and post it publicly and people can join
? Right now, I have to share my username/password which sounds a bit weird
(and people might be able to create meetings too with those) ?

--
Tony Thomas
https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas
--


On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:40 PM Amir Sarabadani  wrote:

> Hey,
> A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on,
> ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't send
> them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token and
> they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use that
> in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for
> yourself.
>
> Stay safe, stay home.
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> >  I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the
> > volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction.
> > A.M.
> >
> > Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <
> > trulyt...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >
> >  Hello,
> > That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for
> > working on this.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tito Dutta
> > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
> remind
> > me over email or phone call.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey,
> > > "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
> > Wikimedia
> > > CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using commercial
> > > services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications
> > > [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
> > >
> > > If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user
> and
> > > password. You can share the username and password with anyone you want
> to
> > > meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also
> give
> > me
> > > your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You can
> > also
> > > contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
> > >
> > > In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for
> Ticketmasters
> > > too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any
> > > technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
> > >
> > > If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly appreciated)
> > let
> > > me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
> > documentation
> > > in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like
> > > puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication,
> > > trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can
> find
> > > the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself if
> > you
> > > feel like helping out.
> > >
> > > [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> > > [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
> > > [2]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-coronavirus-video-conferencing
> > > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> > >
> > > Hope that would be useful for our users :)
> > > Best
> > > --
> > > Amir (he/him)
> > > ___
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> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

[Amir Sarabadani]

Hey,
Unfortunately, this is the way the authentication of jitsi work and I don't
have much control over it, the only thing I can find is enabling "guest
access"
> If guest access is enabled, unauthenticated users will need to wait until
a user authenticates before they can join a room. If guest access is not
enabled, every user will need to authenticate before they can join.

Also, I recommand you treat your user/pass like a wifi password (you can
create more accounts for groups instead of sharing yours), share it but
don't put in public places.

Best

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 7:13 PM Tony Thomas <01tonytho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Amir (and team),
>
> Is there an option to make it require username/password to create a meeting
> and not join ?
>
> Like, I can share the link around and post it publicly and people can join
> ? Right now, I have to share my username/password which sounds a bit weird
> (and people might be able to create meetings too with those) ?
>
> --
> Tony Thomas
> https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas
> --
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:40 PM Amir Sarabadani 
> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> > A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on,
> > ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't
> send
> > them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token
> and
> > they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use that
> > in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for
> > yourself.
> >
> > Stay safe, stay home.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
> > wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the
> > > volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction.
> > > A.M.
> > >
> > > Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <
> > > trulyt...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > >
> > >  Hello,
> > > That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot for
> > > working on this.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tito Dutta
> > > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
> > remind
> > > me over email or phone call.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey,
> > > > "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using
> commercial
> > > > services like Zoom which might have security and privacy implications
> > > > [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a user
> > and
> > > > password. You can share the username and password with anyone you
> want
> > to
> > > > meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also
> > give
> > > me
> > > > your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You
> can
> > > also
> > > > contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
> > > >
> > > > In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for
> > Ticketmasters
> > > > too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require any
> > > > technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
> > > >
> > > > If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly
> appreciated)
> > > let
> > > > me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
> > > documentation
> > > > in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with, like
> > > > puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving authentication,
> > > > trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can
> > find
> > > > the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to yourself
> if
> > > you
> > > > feel like helping out.
> > > >
> > > > [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> > > > [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-technology-security-coronavirus-video-conferencing
> > > > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> > > >
> > > > Hope that would be useful for our users :)
> > > > Best
> > > > --
> > > > Amir (he/him)
> > > > ___
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> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
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Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Meet

[Tony Thomas]

> If guest access is enabled, unauthenticated users will need to wait until
a user authenticates before they can join a room. If guest access is not
enabled, every user will need to authenticate before they can join.

Aha, so this would be more or less like the Google Meet flow right now.
Would it make sense to enable it at-least during  the hackathon then ?

So, to create a meeting you still need access codes, but to join, you can
rely on somebody inside to let you in. Sounds very reasonable.

--
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--


On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 2:15 AM Amir Sarabadani  wrote:

> Hey,
> Unfortunately, this is the way the authentication of jitsi work and I don't
> have much control over it, the only thing I can find is enabling "guest
> access"
> > If guest access is enabled, unauthenticated users will need to wait until
> a user authenticates before they can join a room. If guest access is not
> enabled, every user will need to authenticate before they can join.
>
> Also, I recommand you treat your user/pass like a wifi password (you can
> create more accounts for groups instead of sharing yours), share it but
> don't put in public places.
>
> Best
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 7:13 PM Tony Thomas <01tonytho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Amir (and team),
> >
> > Is there an option to make it require username/password to create a
> meeting
> > and not join ?
> >
> > Like, I can share the link around and post it publicly and people can
> join
> > ? Right now, I have to share my username/password which sounds a bit
> weird
> > (and people might be able to create meetings too with those) ?
> >
> > --
> > Tony Thomas
> > https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas
> > --
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 4:40 PM Amir Sarabadani 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey,
> > > A quick update. In order to improve its security, from now on,
> > > ticketmasters don't need to know your username and password (and don't
> > send
> > > them your desired username and password anymore). You ask them a token
> > and
> > > they generate you an one-time-use token for you and then you can use
> that
> > > in https://meet-auth.wmflabs.org/create to create your account for
> > > yourself.
> > >
> > > Stay safe, stay home.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 1:11 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
> > > wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  I told so many times WMF should support infrastructure for the
> > > > volunteers, so thank you very much for this step in that direction.
> > > > A.M.
> > > >
> > > > Il domenica 26 aprile 2020, 01:08:01 CEST, Tito Dutta <
> > > > trulyt...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > > >
> > > >  Hello,
> > > > That's super great news. I definitely want to try it. Thanks a lot
> for
> > > > working on this.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Tito Dutta
> > > > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
> > > remind
> > > > me over email or phone call.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 01:57, Amir Sarabadani 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey,
> > > > > "Wikimedia Meet" [0] (https://meet.wmcloud.org), is a project in
> > > > Wikimedia
> > > > > CloudVPS for Wikimedians to meet virtually instead of using
> > commercial
> > > > > services like Zoom which might have security and privacy
> implications
> > > > > [1][2]. Currently it's a jitsi (jitsi.org) installation.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to just use/test it, let me know and I create you a
> user
> > > and
> > > > > password. You can share the username and password with anyone you
> > want
> > > to
> > > > > meet but please do not post it publicly. In your email you can also
> > > give
> > > > me
> > > > > your desired user and password. **Do not reuse any password**. You
> > can
> > > > also
> > > > > contact any of the ticketmasters instead of me:
> > > > >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet#List_of_ticketmasters
> > > > >
> > > > > In order to make this project more robust, I'm looking for
> > > Ticketmasters
> > > > > too, Ticketmasters create accounts for others (It doesn't require
> any
> > > > > technical knowledge, you fill a form in web for others)
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to help maintaining it (which would be greatly
> > appreciated)
> > > > let
> > > > > me know and I give you the needed access. I put the technical
> > > > documentation
> > > > > in mediawiki.org [3]. There are several bits you can help with,
> like
> > > > > puppetizing it, scalability, observability, improving
> authentication,
> > > > > trying to see if BBB can be used as well, and so much more. You can
> > > find
> > > > > the tickets in the phabricator board and assign a ticket to
> yourself
> > if
> > > > you
> > > > > feel like helping out.
> > > > >
> > > > > [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Meet
> > > > > [1] https://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2020/03/27/zoom/
> > > > > [2]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2