Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-17 Thread Brion Vibber
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Bence Damokos wrote:
 An other issue on the Hungarian Wikipedia is that if the old namespace name
 is used than the system doesn't recognise it as an imagelink and puts the
 image in the category of unused images (apparently the links are recognised
 correctly if the new, Fájl, namespace name is used).

Sounds like it might have been the same problem, probably in a page
which was cached while it was broken.

I don't see anything wrong at the moment; please show us a specific page
where you see a problem and point out the particular bit that's showing
incorrectly and we can take a look.

- -- brion

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-17 Thread Bence Damokos
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote:

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 Bence Damokos wrote:
  An other issue on the Hungarian Wikipedia is that if the old namespace
 name
  is used than the system doesn't recognise it as an imagelink and puts the
  image in the category of unused images (apparently the links are
 recognised
  correctly if the new, Fájl, namespace name is used).

 Sounds like it might have been the same problem, probably in a page
 which was cached while it was broken.

 I don't see anything wrong at the moment; please show us a specific page
 where you see a problem and point out the particular bit that's showing
 incorrectly and we can take a look.

 - -- brion

I intended to include a good example in my first letter, but it took a while
to find *one, *as there are two related problems.

So the main problem is with the unused pages special page:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A1lis:Nem_haszn%C3%A1lt_k%C3%A9pek;
last updated ths morning at 06:10 (Central European Time I guess);

The image http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:Dalarna_tartomany.png is
marked as an unused image although it is indeed used, as is recognised by
the image description page (it has surely been used even before this
morning).

The image:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:J%C3%A4mtland_tartomany.png also
appears on this list, and the image description page shows no usage but the
image is in fact used in the following article :
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4mtland_tartom%C3%A1ny

Best regards,
Bence Damokos

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-17 Thread Brion Vibber
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Bence Damokos wrote:
 So the main problem is with the unused pages special page:
 http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A1lis:Nem_haszn%C3%A1lt_k%C3%A9pek;
 last updated ths morning at 06:10 (Central European Time I guess);
 
 The image http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:Dalarna_tartomany.png is
 marked as an unused image although it is indeed used, as is recognised by
 the image description page (it has surely been used even before this
 morning).
 
 The image:
 http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:J%C3%A4mtland_tartomany.png also
 appears on this list, and the image description page shows no usage but the
 image is in fact used in the following article :
 http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4mtland_tartom%C3%A1ny

The second one's easier to test, so I made a null edit to the page, and
the page is now listed as using the image on the image page.

Sounds to me like this is either a totally unrelated issue with
imagelinks sometimes not being recorded (something we've gotten
intermittent reports of on various wikis since long before this change),
or some links were specifically not saved properly earlier this week
during the hours when the namespaces weren't configured properly.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-11 Thread Brion Vibber
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Remember the dot wrote:
 The code on Wikimedia sites hasn't been updated in about 3 weeks...any
 idea on when the next update will be?

Now updated on test.wikipedia.org. List of items changed since last
update from our release notes:

http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_changes

After a couple more hours of testing, I'll push it live to all sites.

Note the 'File:' namespace is ready to deploy but won't be live there
yet since test currently still uses the older message files. It should
go live after full deployment.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-11 Thread Brion Vibber
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Brion Vibber wrote:
 Remember the dot wrote:
 The code on Wikimedia sites hasn't been updated in about 3 weeks...any
 idea on when the next update will be?
 
 Now updated on test.wikipedia.org. List of items changed since last
 update from our release notes:
 
 http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_changes
 
 After a couple more hours of testing, I'll push it live to all sites.
 
 Note the 'File:' namespace is ready to deploy but won't be live there
 yet since test currently still uses the older message files. It should
 go live after full deployment.

Whee, fixed that bug... now File: is live on test.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-11 Thread Daniel Schwen
On Thursday 11 December 2008 05:21:24 pm Remember the dot wrote:
 Looks like it's live on Wikimedia too, thanks!

Whats the deal with the non-alphabetical sorting of images, like here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Southerly_Clubs_Image_Archives
bug or feature?
-- 
[[en:User:Dschwen]]
[[de:Benutzer:Dschwen]]
[[commons:User:Dschwen]]

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-11 Thread Brion Vibber
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Daniel Schwen wrote:
 On Thursday 11 December 2008 05:21:24 pm Remember the dot wrote:
 Looks like it's live on Wikimedia too, thanks!
 
 Whats the deal with the non-alphabetical sorting of images, like here:
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Southerly_Clubs_Image_Archives
 bug or feature?

Probably just mixed category sort entries with the old namespace names.
It should be sorted out pretty soon, after a link index rebuild.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-10 Thread Ilmari Karonen
Aryeh Gregor wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Simon Orr
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's goodnice to see such flippant responses when a simple It could be
 a while yet would do. It really helps the idea of bringing people on
 board to help out and feel welcome...
 
 What's the difference between When it's ready and It could be a
 while yet?  The former seems more descriptive to me (indicates that
 there's no fixed date, instead of suggesting that perhaps there is and
 you're just not being told).

Indeed.  When it's ready may not be very precise, but it _is_ 
accurate.  There have been some pretty major changes to the code since 
the Wikimedia servers were last updated, not the least of them being the 
rename of the Image namespace to File.  Presumably the next update will 
happen when things have settled down enough that brion and others feel 
it's safe to do it without a bazillion things breaking.

Which reminds me that v1.14 is also overdue for release.  Perhaps what 
we'd need would be a temporary feature freeze, with commits to trunk 
restricted to fixing breaking bugs until everything is stable enough for 
a release.

-- 
Ilmari Karonen

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-10 Thread Simon Orr
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Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Simon Orr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's goodnice to see such flippant responses when a simple It could
be
 a while yet would do. It really helps the idea of bringing people on
 board to help out and feel welcome...

What's the difference between When it's ready and It could be a
while yet?  The former seems more descriptive to me (indicates that
there's no fixed date, instead of suggesting that perhaps there is and
you're just not being told).

Sorry, wasn't near email for a while. The only real difference is that
one seems to be a lot less confrontational. Even better would've been
the asnswer from Ilmari Karonen which explains the situation a bit more
clearly...

If nobody else sees it that way, then just ignore this.

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-09 Thread Simon Orr
Remember the dot wrote:
 Hey,
 
 The code on Wikimedia sites hasn't been updated in about 3
weeks...any
 idea on when the next update will be?

When it's ready.

It's goodnice to see such flippant responses when a simple It could be
a while yet would do. It really helps the idea of bringing people on
board to help out and feel welcome...

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Re: [Wikitech-l] Code update status?

2008-12-09 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:57 AM, Simon Orr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's goodnice to see such flippant responses when a simple It could be
 a while yet would do. It really helps the idea of bringing people on
 board to help out and feel welcome...

What's the difference between When it's ready and It could be a
while yet?  The former seems more descriptive to me (indicates that
there's no fixed date, instead of suggesting that perhaps there is and
you're just not being told).

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