Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
j Fetch from 'news.tcx.org.uk' Using netcat on port 119 shows that he changed the group name to tcx.lists.wikimedia.gendergap . ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
j == jidanni jida...@jidanni.org writes: j Fetch from 'news.tcx.org.uk' j Using netcat on port 119 shows that he changed the group name to j tcx.lists.wikimedia.gendergap . Which doesn't work for me either. If anybody gets this to work, tell me. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
In article 87wrlbfbtt@jidanni.org, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: j == jidanni jida...@jidanni.org writes: j Fetch from 'news.tcx.org.uk' j Using netcat on port 119 shows that he changed the group name to j tcx.lists.wikimedia.gendergap . Which doesn't work for me either. If anybody gets this to work, tell me. As you noticed, the group name changed. I also imported the list archives, so the articles have been renumbered. There was some downtime while this was happening, but reading, posting and search should all be working now. Can you describe what's not working? - river. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
OK I figured it out. Thanks. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
Some articles can't be read: Message-ID: AANLkTi=rb-lxi_u97wkzl_petqsf7rixq7-s+ddaa...@mail.gmail.com X-NOFFLE-Status: INTERESTING NOT_DOWNLOADED RETRIEVING_FAILED X-NOFFLE-LastAccess: 2011-02-08 11:50:14 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Hello and a (small!) manifesto From: Nepenthe topazbutter...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 15:57:51 -0600 References: AANLkTim6E6T2EB8cE8nTy8WPOyjsOVo5U_tL=xQ=8...@mail.gmail.com 87d3n94us4@jidanni.org 201102030744.11103.joseph.2...@reagle.org 6504AE4D8863440DA30969C428B41559@CASEMAIN e471d5c9-dc20-4759-9500-dc371133e...@wikimedia.org Bytes: 11998 Lines: 215 Xref: jidanni1.jidanni.org tcx.lists.wikimedia.gendergap:90 Comments: Pseudo body generated by news server NOFFLE [ NOFFLE ERROR: Retrieving failed ] [ This article could not be retrieved. Maybe ] [ it has already expired at the remote server ] [ or it has been cancelled by its sender. See ] [ the appended status line of the remote ] [ server for more information. ] [ This message will disappear the next time ] [ someone tries to read this article, so that ] [ it can be marked for download again. ] [ Remote server status: 480 Read access denied for this article ] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In article 87r5bj89oy@jidanni.org, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Some articles can't be read: Hm, this is due to a problem with how the list archive was imported. Some messages have the wrong Newsgroups or Xref header, e.g. the article you referenced (AANLkTi=rb-lxi_u97wkzl_petqsf7rixq7-s+ddaa...@mail.gmail.com) has: Newsgroups: wikimedia.gendergap Xref: news.tcx.org.uk wikimedia.gendergap:77 But it should have: Newsgroups: tcx.lists.wikimedia.gendergap Xref: news.tcx.org.uk tcx.lists.wikimedia.gendergap:90 I've changed the guest user access list to include wikimedia.* so you can now read the message, but it's possible the incorrect headers might confuse your newsreader. This problem only applies to old messages, so even if it does, newly posted messages will work fine. At some point I'll go through the spool and fix these messages to have the right headers. - river. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1QwkYACgkQIXd7fCuc5vIAqwCfb1sY7iPqcYTCvsnow1WzagZ7 /R4An1BzEFCNTpp/fF+GOgniCWA4sggx =fAdL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
RT == River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org writes: and retention is set to forever, so it also acts as an archive. Fetch from 'news.tcx.org.uk' Connected to 77.75.105.169:119 Updating groupinfo Could not change to group wikimedia.gendergap Retrieving article list Fetch from 'news.tcx.org.uk' finished RT I've now added a basic web interface: RT http://news.tcx.org.uk/group/wikimedia. $ w3m -dump http://news.tcx.org.uk/group/wikimedia. #which you also use on http://news.tcx.org.uk/wikimedia.html # Nothing. Are you sure you want the dot appended to the URL? Let's try it with none: $ w3m -dump http://news.tcx.org.uk/group/wikimedia Status: 500 Content-type: text/html Software error: Cannot find group: wikimedia. at /aux0/srv/news.tcx.org.uk/fcgi-bin/group.fcgi line 141. For help, please send mail to the webmaster (r.tarn...@ieee.org), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. RT as well as a search index: RT http://news.tcx.org.uk/search RT (since lists.wikimedia.org disables Google searching and doesn't provide RT its own search interface). Better not tell the N*zis who made it that way, lest they try to shut you down. I would quote the last discussion thread about that, but of course, I can't find it, just like they intended. They can save the URLs for discussions favorable to their position, but nobody can search for opposing articles. Or maybe they have softened their views now. Or maybe they have moved to Egypt or North Korea. RT Obviously this will become more useful once the archives are imported. Oh no, that will just add one more nail in the coffin of thinking there are no other sites which already archive and index wikimedia groups. (And don't tell me to do my aforementioned search there, as they don't exist, right?) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
RT == River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org writes: RT Unlike email Ah young man, you just _assume_ the reader is using a certain software. Well I'm here to tell you that I am using a certain Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen creation that makes mail look like news and news look like mail. Plus, what subscriber in their right mind post a reply to any mailing list via NNTP when years and years of experience tells one that it would probably get posted mangled, if at all. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
In article 87wrlh3et9@jidanni.org, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Better set the Reply-to headers, like they do on http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki/36699/raw ! What do you think it should be set to? Gmane retains the original Reply-To header from the mail (which is set to the list address by Mailman), but this means that anyone who replies to a Usenet article by email will actually end up replying to the mailing list. If they wanted to do that, they would have just followed up in the group. So, I explicitly remove any reply-to header in the original mail. (Unfortunately this means we have to drop any reply-to header the user might have set, but I see no other way to work around this list configuration error.) - river. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
River Tarnell wrote: What do you think it should be set to? Gmane retains the original Reply-To header from the mail (which is set to the list address by Mailman), but this means that anyone who replies to a Usenet article by email will actually end up replying to the mailing list. If they wanted to do that, they would have just followed up in the group. So, I explicitly remove any reply-to header in the original mail. (Unfortunately this means we have to drop any reply-to header the user might have set, but I see no other way to work around this list configuration error.) - river. I don't understand the problem. It doesn't matter if the MUA sends the email to the list or to the news server (mine seems to prefer the news server even in gmane), as they both arrive at the same place. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
In article iietdr$2sm$1...@dough.gmane.org, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: River Tarnell wrote: What do you think it should be set to? Gmane retains the original Reply-To header from the mail (which is set to the list address by Mailman), but this means that anyone who replies to a Usenet article by email will actually end up replying to the mailing list. I don't understand the problem. It doesn't matter if the MUA sends the email to the list or to the news server (mine seems to prefer the news server even in gmane), as they both arrive at the same place. Yes, that's exactly the problem. Unlike email, when responding to a post on Usenet you have two options: Followup and Reply. Following up posts a reply to the group, while replying sends a (private) reply, by email, to the author of the post (or to the address in the reply-to header, if one is present). If I left Mailman's reply-to header in place, then trying to send a private reply by email would actually send the post back to the group, unless the user manually edited the To: address. Not only would this be confusing (because it's not how Usenet normally works), it's also pointless, because if someone wants to reply to the group, they will just follow up instead of replying. - river. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
In article 20110202090948.gd97...@ilythia.tcx.org.uk, River Tarnell r.tarn...@ieee.org wrote: I've added all current public mailing lists, and retention is set to forever, so it also acts as an archive. I've now added a basic web interface: http://news.tcx.org.uk/group/wikimedia. as well as a search index: http://news.tcx.org.uk/search (since lists.wikimedia.org disables Google searching and doesn't provide its own search interface). Obviously this will become more useful once the archives are imported. - river. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 River Tarnell: I've set up an NNTP gateway for Wikimedia mailing lists. The wikimedia.* hierarchy is available via news.tcx.org.uk. More information: http://news.tcx.org.uk/wikimedia.html. Okay, after a bit of fiddling I think I'm ready to declare this to be stable. I've added all current public mailing lists, and retention is set to forever, so it also acts as an archive. (At some point, I'll probably import the current list archives as well...) - river. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1JH1wACgkQIXd7fCuc5vJ6AwCgqQ4FHtuv/FoRSIKlOp3BbVgT sFgAmgOLCZgInHYUiCcabVq3So80WSDF =Kdnj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
Dear n...@tcx.org.uk, Better set the Reply-to headers, like they do on http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.mediawiki/36699/raw ! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've set up an NNTP gateway for Wikimedia mailing lists. The wikimedia.* hierarchy is available via news.tcx.org.uk. More information: http://news.tcx.org.uk/wikimedia.html. Unlike GMane, this gateway does not rename lists (all lists are wikimedia.list name), and does not munge email addresses inside posts, which breaks PGP signatures. However, posting via NNTP is not currently possible. (I expect to fix this in a few days.) Only a few lists are available right now, but if people find it useful, I will add the rest of them (at least those with public archives). - river. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1HLeEACgkQIXd7fCuc5vJFWwCeJvcsA+RSvgF8IXkRxxlk1q2r t0oAn1ei8J9VqHfb/EUy7h1o8VWehE4r =omjK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
On 11-01-31 01:47 PM, River Tarnell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've set up an NNTP gateway for Wikimedia mailing lists. The wikimedia.* hierarchy is available via news.tcx.org.uk. More information:http://news.tcx.org.uk/wikimedia.html. Unlike GMane, this gateway does not rename lists (all lists are wikimedia.list name), and does not munge email addresses inside posts, which breaks PGP signatures. However, posting via NNTP is not currently possible. (I expect to fix this in a few days.) Only a few lists are available right now, but if people find it useful, I will add the rest of them (at least those with public archives). - river. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk1HLeEACgkQIXd7fCuc5vJFWwCeJvcsA+RSvgF8IXkRxxlk1q2r t0oAn1ei8J9VqHfb/EUy7h1o8VWehE4r =omjK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Mmm... I'll be salivating when you get posting working. I'd love the idea of doing away with my current posting pattern. ((I use gmane, but I'm always having an issue posting, so I've become accustomed to changing my From: to the e-mail lists@ account from the newsgroups lists@ account, changing Newsgroup: - To: and then typing at least wikit before letting it autocomplete the full wikitech-l address (think I usually type wikitech fully))) I'll love to be able to post back to the list directly. -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
In article 4d47370a.5030...@nadir-seen-fire.com, Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 11-01-31 01:47 PM, River Tarnell wrote: I've set up an NNTP gateway for Wikimedia mailing lists. The wikimedia.* hierarchy is available via news.tcx.org.uk. More information:http://news.tcx.org.uk/wikimedia.html. Mmm... I'll be salivating when you get posting working. This is a test post. If you can see it, then posting is now working (at least somewhat). ((I use gmane, but I'm always having an issue posting, so I've become accustomed to changing my From: to the e-mail lists@ account from the newsgroups lists@ account, changing Newsgroup: - To: and then typing at least wikit before letting it autocomplete the full wikitech-l address (think I usually type wikitech fully))) I'll love to be able to post back to the list directly. Your From: address still needs to be subscribed to the list if you post via NNTP. - river. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
On 11-01-31 03:43 PM, River Tarnell wrote: In article4d47370a.5030...@nadir-seen-fire.com, Daniel Friesenli...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 11-01-31 01:47 PM, River Tarnell wrote: I've set up an NNTP gateway for Wikimedia mailing lists. The wikimedia.* hierarchy is available via news.tcx.org.uk. More information:http://news.tcx.org.uk/wikimedia.html. Mmm... I'll be salivating when you get posting working. This is a test post. If you can see it, then posting is now working (at least somewhat). I see it off gmane. However either it hasn't made it to the new nntp, or the new nntp is notably slower at picking up messages than gmane T_T. ((I use gmane, but I'm always having an issue posting, so I've become accustomed to changing my From: to the e-mail lists@ account from the newsgroups lists@ account, changing Newsgroup: - To: and then typing at least wikit before letting it autocomplete the full wikitech-l address (think I usually type wikitech fully))) I'll love to be able to post back to the list directly. Your From: address still needs to be subscribed to the list if you post via NNTP. - river. It is. Gmane just seams to have been rejecting posts in general at least till got tired of opening up my dead sent folder in Local Folders (I have separate accounts now, Local Folders is a dead archive of ancient pop emails) and opening up my email to re-send it after it doesn't end up on-list and stopped posting over gmane. ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
In article 4d47502f.1070...@nadir-seen-fire.com, Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 11-01-31 03:43 PM, River Tarnell wrote: This is a test post. If you can see it, then posting is now working (at least somewhat). I see it off gmane. However either it hasn't made it to the new nntp, or the new nntp is notably slower at picking up messages than gmane T_T. For some reason articles posted locally (via NNTP) don't seem to be appearing in the group. I have no idea why this should be, but I will investigate. - river. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
In article 4d47502f.1070...@nadir-seen-fire.com, Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 11-01-31 03:43 PM, River Tarnell wrote: This is a test post. If you can see it, then posting is now working (at least somewhat). I see it off gmane. However either it hasn't made it to the new nntp, or the new nntp is notably slower at picking up messages than gmane T_T. Okay, I think that problem was caused by the gateway script not removing the X-Trace header in posts that went news-mail-news; INN rejects articles that contain this header, so the article was never posted back to the group. Hopefully this article will appear correctly. - river. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] NNTP access for Wikimedia mailing lists
On 11-01-31 04:30 PM, River Tarnell wrote: In article4d47502f.1070...@nadir-seen-fire.com, Daniel Friesenli...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 11-01-31 03:43 PM, River Tarnell wrote: This is a test post. If you can see it, then posting is now working (at least somewhat). I see it off gmane. However either it hasn't made it to the new nntp, or the new nntp is notably slower at picking up messages than gmane T_T. Okay, I think that problem was caused by the gateway script not removing the X-Trace header in posts that went news-mail-news; INN rejects articles that contain this header, so the article was never posted back to the group. Hopefully this article will appear correctly. - river. Yup... this one should too. I may need to tweak some settings myself, it also might have felt slow as a result of Thunderbird not checking the nntp server as often. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
