Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader timestamp format
I was under the impression that wfUrlencode left :s unescaped - except on IIS - would that not work for the ResourceLoader? Conrad On 30 Sep 2010 23:12, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9/30/10 2:12 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote: Does it also allow replacing the separators with whatever you want? If you use a separator for time, ISO 8601:2004 section 3.4.4 says it has to be hyphen for year, month, day, and colon for hour, minute, and second. -- Neil Kandalgaonkar (| ne...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.o... ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader timestamp format
Early on in the requirements stage of ResourceLoader development we decided to use ISO8601 as the format for representing timestamps in URLs. This was chosen for it's legibility, conformance to a standard and ease of generation. However this was somewhat of an oversight since the timestamp 1970-01-01T00:00:00Z gets URL encoded to be 1970-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z which leaves something to be desired. Also, generating this format in JavaScript requires sending a extra 220 bytes (minified and compressed). So, before we seal the deal on using 8601, I would like to collect some ideas about alternatives which would ideally... * Be legible in a URL * Conform to a well-defined/well-known standard * Be easy to generate from a unix timestamp in both PHP and JavaScript Proposals wanted. - Trevor ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader timestamp format
ISO 8601 does not mandate the use of separators within date and time. The following are equivalent. basic format: 19850412T101530Z extended format: 1985-04-12T10:15:30Z On 9/30/10 12:30 PM, Trevor Parscal wrote: Early on in the requirements stage of ResourceLoader development we decided to use ISO8601 as the format for representing timestamps in URLs. This was chosen for it's legibility, conformance to a standard and ease of generation. However this was somewhat of an oversight since the timestamp 1970-01-01T00:00:00Z gets URL encoded to be 1970-01-01T00%3A00%3A00Z which leaves something to be desired. Also, generating this format in JavaScript requires sending a extra 220 bytes (minified and compressed). So, before we seal the deal on using 8601, I would like to collect some ideas about alternatives which would ideally... * Be legible in a URL * Conform to a well-defined/well-known standard * Be easy to generate from a unix timestamp in both PHP and JavaScript Proposals wanted. - Trevor ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Neil Kandalgaonkar (| ne...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader timestamp format
Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: ISO 8601 does not mandate the use of separators within date and time. The following are equivalent. basic format: 19850412T101530Z extended format: 1985-04-12T10:15:30Z I'm not sure I'd call the basic format very readable. Internally, MediaWiki largely uses MMDDhhmmss stored as a string, not as a timestamp. I think this is fairly readable personally, but it's obviously breaking standards. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader timestamp format
Well, the MediaWiki timestamp string (19850412101530) is very similar to the basic ISO8601 format (19850412T101530Z), the difference being the use of T as a separator and the Z at the end to indicate GMT. I guess I'm a little confused why someone would find 19850412101530 to be fairly readable while also finding 19850412T101530Z to be not very readable. - Trevor On 9/30/10 12:56 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: ISO 8601 does not mandate the use of separators within date and time. The following are equivalent. basic format: 19850412T101530Z extended format: 1985-04-12T10:15:30Z I'm not sure I'd call the basic format very readable. Internally, MediaWiki largely uses MMDDhhmmss stored as a string, not as a timestamp. I think this is fairly readable personally, but it's obviously breaking standards. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader timestamp format
2010/9/30 Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org: ISO 8601 does not mandate the use of separators within date and time. The following are equivalent. basic format: 19850412T101530Z extended format: 1985-04-12T10:15:30Z Does it also allow replacing the separators with whatever you want? Colons get urlencoded but dashes are fine, so what about (and I know I'm stealing this suggestion from /someone/, I just can't remember who suggested it to me) 1985-04-12T10-15-30Z ? Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader timestamp format
As of r74042 a new format is supported by wfTimestamp called TS_ISO8601_BASIC. This is being used by ResourceLoader now. Thank you to everyone for contributing your ideas. - Trevor On 9/30/10 2:12 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote: 2010/9/30 Neil Kandalgaonkarne...@wikimedia.org: ISO 8601 does not mandate the use of separators within date and time. The following are equivalent. basic format: 19850412T101530Z extended format: 1985-04-12T10:15:30Z Does it also allow replacing the separators with whatever you want? Colons get urlencoded but dashes are fine, so what about (and I know I'm stealing this suggestion from /someone/, I just can't remember who suggested it to me) 1985-04-12T10-15-30Z ? Roan Kattouw (Catrope) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] ResourceLoader timestamp format
On 9/30/10 2:12 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote: Does it also allow replacing the separators with whatever you want? If you use a separator for time, ISO 8601:2004 section 3.4.4 says it has to be hyphen for year, month, day, and colon for hour, minute, and second. -- Neil Kandalgaonkar (| ne...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
