Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts for handy features

[Gergo Tisza]

As it happens, the yearly feature wishlist collection process is taking
proposals right now; you might want to check it out. [0]

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:15 PM, John Elliot V  wrote:

> 1. For links to articles in sections on the same page it would be really
> handy if we had syntax like: [[#unity|]] which would auto-complete to
> [[#unity|unity]] for you.
>

If you feel like writing a patch, this kind of thing is called a pre-save
transform, and handled in Parser::pstPass2().


> 2. For duplicated content it would be handy if you could define a bunch
> of "variables" down the bottom of a page and then reference them from
> elsewhere. I am aware of templates, but those are overkill and difficult
> to maintain per my use case (my use case is documenting the "purpose" of
> a computer, I duplicate this in various places, but don't want to
> maintain templates for that).
>

That's the Variables extension [1] if you want to use it on the same page,
or the Labeled Section Transclusion extension [2] if you want to reference
it elsewhere. I doubt you end up with something that's easier to maintain,
though.


> 3. It would be cool if for any given wiki page an "estimated reading
> time" could be provided. Along with maybe a word count, character count,
> etc.
>

https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikipedia-readability/ provides Flesch-Kincaid
scores, although not inside the page.


[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2017_Community_Wishlist_Survey
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Variables
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts for handy features

[Bryan Davis]

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 11:15 PM, John Elliot V  wrote:
> 2. For duplicated content it would be handy if you could define a bunch
> of "variables" down the bottom of a page and then reference them from
> elsewhere. I am aware of templates, but those are overkill and difficult
> to maintain per my use case (my use case is documenting the "purpose" of
> a computer, I duplicate this in various places, but don't want to
> maintain templates for that).

This sounds like something that you could do with
. Citations are really
just footnotes and each can be named when defined and then reused by
reference at other places in the same article. There is a example of
this at 
.

Bryan
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts for handy features

[Prateek Saxena]

I have a very dumb script in my common.js for this, look for '//
Reading time' in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Prtksxna/common.js

—prtksxna

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Bryan Hilderbrand
 wrote:
> Hey John,
>
> Fellow MediaWiki lover here.  I like your ideas, here are some quick
> thoughts:
>
> 1. What about a template like the following
>
> Template Name (L for link, and also short)
> Template:L
>
> Template Contents:
> [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#{{{1|}}}|{{{1|}}}]]
>
> Template Use (where unity is a section on the page)
> {{L|unity}}
>
> If this generally works, you might want to add some more functionality like:
>
>1. A second input if you want to change what the section reads like;
>{{L|unity|alternate text}}
>2. Probably some better error handling
>
>
> 2. Have you tried transclusion 
> ?
>
> 3. I "think" the magic word {{REVISIONSIZE}} gives the byte size of the
> article.  If so, maybe you could use it with some ParserFunctions
>  to
> calculate an estimated reading time?
> Example:
>
> This page will take around {{#expr: {{REVISIONSIZE}}/1000 round 1 }}
> minutes to read.
>
> Cheers,
> Bryan
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
> amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
>
>> 2017-11-17 8:15 GMT+02:00 John Elliot V :
>>
>> > 2. For duplicated content it would be handy if you could define a bunch
>> > of "variables" down the bottom of a page and then reference them from
>> > elsewhere. I am aware of templates, but those are overkill and difficult
>> > to maintain per my use case (my use case is documenting the "purpose" of
>> > a computer, I duplicate this in various places, but don't want to
>> > maintain templates for that).
>> >
>>
>> Can you give an example of how these "variables" would be different from
>> templates?
>>
>>
>> > 3. It would be cool if for any given wiki page an "estimated reading
>> > time" could be provided. Along with maybe a word count, character count,
>> > etc.
>> >
>>
>> This is a very good idea, and I've been writing a longish proposal for this
>> myself, which I hope to post somewhere very soon.
>>
>> In the meantime, as a workaround, you can use the reading mode in Firefox
>> for this.
>>
>>
>> > Since I'm here, quick thanks to the MediaWiki community for creating
>> > such wonderful wiki software!
>> >
>>
>> Thank you! :)
>>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts for handy features

[Bryan Hilderbrand]

Hey John,

Fellow MediaWiki lover here.  I like your ideas, here are some quick
thoughts:

1. What about a template like the following

Template Name (L for link, and also short)
Template:L

Template Contents:
[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}#{{{1|}}}|{{{1|}}}]]

Template Use (where unity is a section on the page)
{{L|unity}}

If this generally works, you might want to add some more functionality like:

   1. A second input if you want to change what the section reads like;
   {{L|unity|alternate text}}
   2. Probably some better error handling


2. Have you tried transclusion 
?

3. I "think" the magic word {{REVISIONSIZE}} gives the byte size of the
article.  If so, maybe you could use it with some ParserFunctions
 to
calculate an estimated reading time?
Example:

This page will take around {{#expr: {{REVISIONSIZE}}/1000 round 1 }}
minutes to read.

Cheers,
Bryan

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:58 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> 2017-11-17 8:15 GMT+02:00 John Elliot V :
>
> > 2. For duplicated content it would be handy if you could define a bunch
> > of "variables" down the bottom of a page and then reference them from
> > elsewhere. I am aware of templates, but those are overkill and difficult
> > to maintain per my use case (my use case is documenting the "purpose" of
> > a computer, I duplicate this in various places, but don't want to
> > maintain templates for that).
> >
>
> Can you give an example of how these "variables" would be different from
> templates?
>
>
> > 3. It would be cool if for any given wiki page an "estimated reading
> > time" could be provided. Along with maybe a word count, character count,
> > etc.
> >
>
> This is a very good idea, and I've been writing a longish proposal for this
> myself, which I hope to post somewhere very soon.
>
> In the meantime, as a workaround, you can use the reading mode in Firefox
> for this.
>
>
> > Since I'm here, quick thanks to the MediaWiki community for creating
> > such wonderful wiki software!
> >
>
> Thank you! :)
>
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Re: [Wikitech-l] Thoughts for handy features

[Amir E. Aharoni]

2017-11-17 8:15 GMT+02:00 John Elliot V :

> 2. For duplicated content it would be handy if you could define a bunch
> of "variables" down the bottom of a page and then reference them from
> elsewhere. I am aware of templates, but those are overkill and difficult
> to maintain per my use case (my use case is documenting the "purpose" of
> a computer, I duplicate this in various places, but don't want to
> maintain templates for that).
>

Can you give an example of how these "variables" would be different from
templates?


> 3. It would be cool if for any given wiki page an "estimated reading
> time" could be provided. Along with maybe a word count, character count,
> etc.
>

This is a very good idea, and I've been writing a longish proposal for this
myself, which I hope to post somewhere very soon.

In the meantime, as a workaround, you can use the reading mode in Firefox
for this.


> Since I'm here, quick thanks to the MediaWiki community for creating
> such wonderful wiki software!
>

Thank you! :)

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[Wikitech-l] Thoughts for handy features

[John Elliot V]

Hey there.

I love MediaWiki and have been using it everywhere for years. Recently
I've been doing some rather major documentation and I realised there
were three features which would be really handy for me (if these or
similar already exist I would love to know!):

1. For links to articles in sections on the same page it would be really
handy if we had syntax like: [[#unity|]] which would auto-complete to
[[#unity|unity]] for you.

2. For duplicated content it would be handy if you could define a bunch
of "variables" down the bottom of a page and then reference them from
elsewhere. I am aware of templates, but those are overkill and difficult
to maintain per my use case (my use case is documenting the "purpose" of
a computer, I duplicate this in various places, but don't want to
maintain templates for that).

3. It would be cool if for any given wiki page an "estimated reading
time" could be provided. Along with maybe a word count, character count,
etc.

Since I'm here, quick thanks to the MediaWiki community for creating
such wonderful wiki software!

Regards,
John Elliot V

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