Re: [Wikitech-l] User rating for beta features (was Re: Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings)
Derk-Jan Hartman wrote: > I fully agree with Dan on that. I'd be much more interested in +/- votes on > feedback statements. AFv5 already had this feature IIRC, but I think it lacked some way to categorise and structurise messages, and to identify users who have a habit of posting rubbish feedback. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] User rating for beta features (was Re: Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings)
Quim Gil wrote: > On Tuesday, August 19, 2014, Jon Robson wrote: > > > > > I was curious to how generic the rating system is. For example would > > it be possible to use such a thing on something like BetaFeatures or > > was it specifically designed for extension rating? > > > > I'm not sure how related is this, but Article Feedback allowed user rating > + comment, and it was deployed in Wikimedia servers. Editors didn't find it > that useful for regular articles (too much extra work processing too little > value feedback on top of Talk pages) This, imo, was caused by lack of moderation software (structurising it, for instance). Quim Gil wrote: >, but maybe this could (with small or > not so small adaptation, I don't know) in the very specific context of a > beta feature page. I would agree. Quim Gil wrote: > For instance, imagine a page created specifically for a deployment of a > specific version of a specific beta feature e.g. Winter 0.x. There you > would expect ratings plus optional short feedback without requiring to the > user any background nor any commitment to engage in a discussion. The > deeper discussion would flow (pun intended) across releases at the beta > feature talk page e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter Beta features already has this - place where people can rant off what they think. But there also is a question as to who would take it from the "dumping ground" form to a list of bugs and priorities. I hope we can code some software that integrates well with a bug tracker and eases some routine work. Merging and splitting bugs? Localisation for bugs, anyone? :-) svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] User rating for beta features (was Re: Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings)
As a MediaWiki tarball user, I'd *love* something to rate extensions - even to show if anyone actually uses it and cares. On 20 August 2014 19:14, Derk-Jan Hartman wrote: > I fully agree with Dan on that. I'd be much more interested in +/- votes on > feedback statements. I think that might be a direction worth exploring. A low > barrier like that might help bring a more complete picture of sentiment on > problems and ideas. > > DJ > > On 20 aug. 2014, at 19:08, Dan Garry wrote: > >> On 20 August 2014 09:16, Quim Gil wrote: >>> >>> I'm not sure how related is this, but Article Feedback allowed user rating >>> + comment, and it was deployed in Wikimedia servers. Editors didn't find it >>> that useful for regular articles (too much extra work processing too little >>> value feedback on top of Talk pages), but maybe this could (with small or >>> not so small adaptation, I don't know) in the very specific context of a >>> beta feature page. >>> >> >> Speaking as someone who's been the product owner of a beta feature, I know >> I'd find a star rating for a beta feature totally useless. Star ratings >> don't tell you anything about *why* a user likes or dislikes a feature, so >> I have no information to go off. >> >> In terms of getting feedback from comments, you're right that that's >> useful. But I can get that right now by going to the discussion page of the >> beta feature. Bear in mind that the Hovercards talk page on mediawiki.org >> was, for a while, the most active Flow page *across the entire cluster.* >> >> So, I'm left a little unclear what the proposed improvement actually is. >> >> Dan >> >> -- >> Dan Garry >> Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps >> Wikimedia Foundation >> ___ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] User rating for beta features (was Re: Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings)
I believe Flow is going to or could be changed to solve this issue of upvoting comments. I was more interested in hypothetically if it was possible, I hadn't really thought too much about whether it would be useful or not. On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman wrote: > I fully agree with Dan on that. I'd be much more interested in +/- votes on > feedback statements. I think that might be a direction worth exploring. A low > barrier like that might help bring a more complete picture of sentiment on > problems and ideas. > > DJ > > On 20 aug. 2014, at 19:08, Dan Garry wrote: > >> On 20 August 2014 09:16, Quim Gil wrote: >>> >>> I'm not sure how related is this, but Article Feedback allowed user rating >>> + comment, and it was deployed in Wikimedia servers. Editors didn't find it >>> that useful for regular articles (too much extra work processing too little >>> value feedback on top of Talk pages), but maybe this could (with small or >>> not so small adaptation, I don't know) in the very specific context of a >>> beta feature page. >>> >> >> Speaking as someone who's been the product owner of a beta feature, I know >> I'd find a star rating for a beta feature totally useless. Star ratings >> don't tell you anything about *why* a user likes or dislikes a feature, so >> I have no information to go off. >> >> In terms of getting feedback from comments, you're right that that's >> useful. But I can get that right now by going to the discussion page of the >> beta feature. Bear in mind that the Hovercards talk page on mediawiki.org >> was, for a while, the most active Flow page *across the entire cluster.* >> >> So, I'm left a little unclear what the proposed improvement actually is. >> >> Dan >> >> -- >> Dan Garry >> Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps >> Wikimedia Foundation >> ___ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] User rating for beta features (was Re: Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings)
I fully agree with Dan on that. I'd be much more interested in +/- votes on feedback statements. I think that might be a direction worth exploring. A low barrier like that might help bring a more complete picture of sentiment on problems and ideas. DJ On 20 aug. 2014, at 19:08, Dan Garry wrote: > On 20 August 2014 09:16, Quim Gil wrote: >> >> I'm not sure how related is this, but Article Feedback allowed user rating >> + comment, and it was deployed in Wikimedia servers. Editors didn't find it >> that useful for regular articles (too much extra work processing too little >> value feedback on top of Talk pages), but maybe this could (with small or >> not so small adaptation, I don't know) in the very specific context of a >> beta feature page. >> > > Speaking as someone who's been the product owner of a beta feature, I know > I'd find a star rating for a beta feature totally useless. Star ratings > don't tell you anything about *why* a user likes or dislikes a feature, so > I have no information to go off. > > In terms of getting feedback from comments, you're right that that's > useful. But I can get that right now by going to the discussion page of the > beta feature. Bear in mind that the Hovercards talk page on mediawiki.org > was, for a while, the most active Flow page *across the entire cluster.* > > So, I'm left a little unclear what the proposed improvement actually is. > > Dan > > -- > Dan Garry > Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps > Wikimedia Foundation > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] User rating for beta features (was Re: Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings)
On 20 August 2014 09:16, Quim Gil wrote: > > I'm not sure how related is this, but Article Feedback allowed user rating > + comment, and it was deployed in Wikimedia servers. Editors didn't find it > that useful for regular articles (too much extra work processing too little > value feedback on top of Talk pages), but maybe this could (with small or > not so small adaptation, I don't know) in the very specific context of a > beta feature page. > Speaking as someone who's been the product owner of a beta feature, I know I'd find a star rating for a beta feature totally useless. Star ratings don't tell you anything about *why* a user likes or dislikes a feature, so I have no information to go off. In terms of getting feedback from comments, you're right that that's useful. But I can get that right now by going to the discussion page of the beta feature. Bear in mind that the Hovercards talk page on mediawiki.org was, for a while, the most active Flow page *across the entire cluster.* So, I'm left a little unclear what the proposed improvement actually is. Dan -- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] User rating for beta features (was Re: Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings)
On Tuesday, August 19, 2014, Jon Robson wrote: > > I was curious to how generic the rating system is. For example would > it be possible to use such a thing on something like BetaFeatures or > was it specifically designed for extension rating? > I'm not sure how related is this, but Article Feedback allowed user rating + comment, and it was deployed in Wikimedia servers. Editors didn't find it that useful for regular articles (too much extra work processing too little value feedback on top of Talk pages), but maybe this could (with small or not so small adaptation, I don't know) in the very specific context of a beta feature page. For instance, imagine a page created specifically for a deployment of a specific version of a specific beta feature e.g. Winter 0.x. There you would expect ratings plus optional short feedback without requiring to the user any background nor any commitment to engage in a discussion. The deeper discussion would flow (pun intended) across releases at the beta feature talk page e.g. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Winter -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
