Re: [Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:58 AM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote: We should definitely highlight real downtime as a reason for funding, especially in a way that discusses practical steps that would be taken to reduce the problem and how much those steps would cost. Interesting point. Commercial organisations would never issue a press release highlighting poor performance, because they want people to think they're getting good value for money. A charity on the other hand...what does wikipedia have to lose from people thinking its servers are unreliable due to lack of funding? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
2009/5/22 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:58 AM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote: We should definitely highlight real downtime as a reason for funding, especially in a way that discusses practical steps that would be taken to reduce the problem and how much those steps would cost. Interesting point. Commercial organisations would never issue a press release highlighting poor performance, because they want people to think they're getting good value for money. A charity on the other hand...what does wikipedia have to lose from people thinking its servers are unreliable due to lack of funding? The thing that prompted me to start this thread was Google, a commercial organisation (although not one people pay for at the point of use), issuing just such a press release. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: The thing that prompted me to start this thread was Google, a commercial organisation (although not one people pay for at the point of use), issuing just such a press release. Err, yes. But people had already noticed, and been blogging rampantly about it. So it's not like they were promoting their failure so much as avoiding being silent on the issue. Whereas we would be actively promoting it. Steve ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8051262.stm Google has an hour of slow service and it's headline news. Imagine the donations we could get if our downtime (which, as David is fond of saying, is our most profitable product) got into the headlines! Perhaps we should take to issuing press releases following server problems. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
It could possibly be a strategy to increase the number of donations. -- Karun Dambiec ka...@fastmail.fm On Fri, 15 May 2009 12:59 +0100, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8051262.stm Google has an hour of slow service and it's headline news. Imagine the donations we could get if our downtime (which, as David is fond of saying, is our most profitable product) got into the headlines! Perhaps we should take to issuing press releases following server problems. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
No, and it's stupid. It's not like this is a covert discussion. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Bilal Abdul Kader bila...@gmail.comwrote: Is it ethical? On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Karun Dambiec ka...@fastmail.fm wrote: It could possibly be a strategy to increase the number of donations. -- Karun Dambiec ka...@fastmail.fm On Fri, 15 May 2009 12:59 +0100, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8051262.stm Google has an hour of slow service and it's headline news. Imagine the donations we could get if our downtime (which, as David is fond of saying, is our most profitable product) got into the headlines! Perhaps we should take to issuing press releases following server problems. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
2009/5/15 The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com: No, and it's stupid. It's not like this is a covert discussion. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Bilal Abdul Kader bila...@gmail.comwrote: Is it ethical? How is it unethical? We take advantage of downtime to explain to our readers that we rely on donations to keep the site running, there is nothing dishonest about that. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
Sorry I missed the point in a previous post then. The wordings looked like using the downtime as a strategy. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/5/15 The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com: No, and it's stupid. It's not like this is a covert discussion. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Bilal Abdul Kader bila...@gmail.com wrote: Is it ethical? How is it unethical? We take advantage of downtime to explain to our readers that we rely on donations to keep the site running, there is nothing dishonest about that. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
2009/5/15 Bilal Abdul Kader bila...@gmail.com: Sorry I missed the point in a previous post then. The wordings looked like using the downtime as a strategy. Oh, no, I certainly wasn't proposing we fake downtime, that would be seriously unethical, I agree. We have plenty of natural downtime we can exploit. (The Google story was about their sites running slowly, so we probably don't even need anything to go down completely.) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
We should definitely highlight real downtime as a reason for funding, especially in a way that discusses practical steps that would be taken to reduce the problem and how much those steps would cost. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/5/15 Bilal Abdul Kader bila...@gmail.com: Sorry I missed the point in a previous post then. The wordings looked like using the downtime as a strategy. Oh, no, I certainly wasn't proposing we fake downtime, that would be seriously unethical, I agree. We have plenty of natural downtime we can exploit. (The Google story was about their sites running slowly, so we probably don't even need anything to go down completely.) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] We're not quite at Google's level
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:58 AM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote: We should definitely highlight real downtime as a reason for funding, especially in a way that discusses practical steps that would be taken to reduce the problem and how much those steps would cost. And highlight how much previous donations have allowed performance to be improved already. -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
