Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC project: calculating the quality of editors and content (was Guidance for the Project Idea for GSOC 2014)

2014-03-07 Thread Gryllida
I oppose such idea or implementation, automating ranking of content sounds like 
a way to get people focus on the rank/score aggressively instead of human work 
on content. They already focus on 'number of GA reviews' and 'number of FAs I 
contributed to', relying on style and content guides for these more than on the 
concept of freedom of knowledge. I had created 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Karma recently in an attempt to start gathering 
examples of such blindly misleading work.

If implemented, I dare to ask that the thing is opt-in...

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014, at 10:25, Quim Gil wrote:
> Hi Devender, I'm not a developer but I hope my feedback as editor is useful.
> 
> On 03/06/2014 12:02 AM, Devender wrote:
> > I want to implement a ranking system of the editors(especially 3rd party
> > editors) of the Wikipedia through which viewers can differentiate between
> > the content of the page. 
> 
> What do you mean with "3rd party editors"?
> 
> 
> > This ranking system will increase the content reliability
> 
> Content reliability is indeed an interesting value for wiki content,
> especially in projects like Wikipedia. However, basing the reliability
> of the content on the quantity of edits done by an editor is risky --to
> say the least.
> 
> Reliability is based on quantity, not quality. If you would find a way
> to assess the quality of the editions of an editor (and therefor the
> reliability of an editor)... Then maybe you could provide a hint about
> the reliability of an article based on the reliability of the editors
> that edited it.
> 
> Even in that case it might be complex to figure out when the reliable
> editors are acting to add more quality to an already good article, or to
> fix the worst issues of a horrible article. When they add and when they
> revert...
> 
> And of course it may also happen that editors not identified as reliable
> produce great content, as it often the case with editors very
> specialized in certain topic, with a short history of excellent edits.
> 
> > 2. Make the different color of the line/paragraph if the content of the
> > line/paragraph is very new and its reliability score is less.
> 
> Even if there is some probability that older paragraphs that have
> survived many edits intact are somewhat reliable, it is too easy to find
> examples disproving this point. This is true especially in the articles
> needing more a quality assessment, those that are not edited often and
> are not watched by many experienced editors.
> 
> 
> > Please let me if I should go with this idea. If not, guide me how to start
> > working on different idea.
> 
> This is just my personal opinion and I'm not an expert. Maybe someone
> else will ave a different, more positive opinion about your project, or
> advice to re-focus it.
> 
> In general, students proposing new projects have more chances of success
> if they start pitching and testing their ideas months before the GSoC.
> Add a factor of x5 at least if your main target is a Wikimedia project.
> 
> If you don't get mentors for your project very soon, then the safest
> option is to choose a project at
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2014 and go for it.
> 
> Thank you for your interest in contributing to Wikimedia. Also thank you
> for following my suggestion to post at wikitech-l. I hope you wll get
> more feedback from other people in this list.
> 
> -- 
> Quim Gil
> Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil
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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC project: calculating the quality of editors and content (was Guidance for the Project Idea for GSOC 2014)

2014-03-07 Thread Tilman Bayer
See also https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Content_persistence

On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Benjamin Lees  wrote:
> Hi, Devander.  Have you looked at WikiTrust[0]?  It does roughly what you
> describe (though I don't think the live demo works anymore).
>
> [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTrust
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Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC project: calculating the quality of editors and content (was Guidance for the Project Idea for GSOC 2014)

2014-03-06 Thread Benjamin Lees
Hi, Devander.  Have you looked at WikiTrust[0]?  It does roughly what you
describe (though I don't think the live demo works anymore).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTrust
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