Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I would suggest either using IRC or waiting patiently. Or wikitech-l, in which case someone else will surely forward your message to IRC :). (Unfortunately, it'll also spawn 30 posts about whether or not it was appropriate to post to wikitech-l.) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
Or wikitech-l, in which case someone else will surely forward your message to IRC :). I think you people should follow the trend and twitter about it. someone will definitely follow and notice! -- Domas Mituzas -- http://dammit.lt/ -- [[user:midom]] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
K. Peachey wrote: Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. -- Tim Starling Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead. That would just be a nuisance. By the time we check Bugzilla for new issues, urgent problems are already fixed due to IRC reports or automated alerts. We would have to waste time finding and closing all the relevant bugs. I would suggest either using IRC or waiting patiently. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: K. Peachey wrote: Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. -- Tim Starling Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead. That would just be a nuisance. By the time we check Bugzilla for new issues, urgent problems are already fixed due to IRC reports or automated alerts. We would have to waste time finding and closing all the relevant bugs. I would suggest either using IRC or waiting patiently. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Not to mention, depending on the error it could be entirely possible that Bugzilla is down as well. -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, If this is true, you just provided the best argument why the setup of Bugzilla should be changed. You do not want to have the tools that report on the availability of your production servers to be dependent on those same production servers. Thanks, GerardM 2009/3/11 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: K. Peachey wrote: Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. -- Tim Starling Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead. That would just be a nuisance. By the time we check Bugzilla for new issues, urgent problems are already fixed due to IRC reports or automated alerts. We would have to waste time finding and closing all the relevant bugs. I would suggest either using IRC or waiting patiently. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Not to mention, depending on the error it could be entirely possible that Bugzilla is down as well. -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Which is one of several reasons we _don't_ handle urgent sysadmin stuff via Bugzilla. What's your point? -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
Hoi, People _do_ post problems using Bugzilla.. What you are saying is that the _intention_ is not to use it for urgent sysadmin stuff. New bugzilla bugs _are_ posted on IRC in order to get people's attention. This real time attention negates your assertion that it is not treated as urgent. grin my point is that it is a de facto important tool for sysadmin work even when this is not intentional /grin Thanks, GerardM 2009/3/11 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, If this is true, you just provided the best argument why the setup of Bugzilla should be changed. You do not want to have the tools that report on the availability of your production servers to be dependent on those same production servers. Thanks, GerardM 2009/3/11 Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: K. Peachey wrote: Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. -- Tim Starling Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead. That would just be a nuisance. By the time we check Bugzilla for new issues, urgent problems are already fixed due to IRC reports or automated alerts. We would have to waste time finding and closing all the relevant bugs. I would suggest either using IRC or waiting patiently. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Not to mention, depending on the error it could be entirely possible that Bugzilla is down as well. -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Which is one of several reasons we _don't_ handle urgent sysadmin stuff via Bugzilla. What's your point? -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. -- Tim Starling Certainly IRC is the best way to inform developers and sys admins of a problem with Wikipedia. As a user, I also like to know what's going on when there is a problem. But, I'm not regularly on IRC. If I'm at work where I sometimes look up things on Wikipedia (but don't edit), and see that Wikipedia is down, then I am curious what the problem is. However, IRC and other types of chat are forbidden at work. :( But, I am allowed to access gmail. So, I very much appreciate it when people send messages to the mailing list about such problems. -Aude ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Aude ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, People _do_ post problems using Bugzilla.. What you are saying is that the _intention_ is not to use it for urgent sysadmin stuff. New bugzilla bugs _are_ posted on IRC in order to get people's attention. This real time attention negates your assertion that it is not treated as urgent. grin my point is that it is a de facto important tool for sysadmin work even when this is not intentional /grin Thanks, GerardM Just because someone posts a bug doesn't mean that we are relying on that as a mechanism of notification. By and large, the urgent-opened bugs are quickly closed because the sysadmins are already working on the problem. You're confusing people filing bugs with us relying on those bugs. They aren't the same thing. -Chad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
On 3/11/09 3:41 PM, Tim Starling wrote: Gerard Meijssen wrote: 2009/3/11 Chadinnocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention, depending on the error it could be entirely possible that Bugzilla is down as well. If this is true, you just provided the best argument why the setup of Bugzilla should be changed. You do not want to have the tools that report on the availability of your production servers to be dependent on those same production servers. Bugzilla is not such a tool, as I already said. There is no need for it to be up when the site generally is down. Note that in nearly all cases, Bugzilla is not affected in any way by wiki site outages. -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
Hoi, Brion thank you. Gerard 2009/3/12 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org On 3/11/09 3:41 PM, Tim Starling wrote: Gerard Meijssen wrote: 2009/3/11 Chadinnocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Not to mention, depending on the error it could be entirely possible that Bugzilla is down as well. If this is true, you just provided the best argument why the setup of Bugzilla should be changed. You do not want to have the tools that report on the availability of your production servers to be dependent on those same production servers. Bugzilla is not such a tool, as I already said. There is no need for it to be up when the site generally is down. Note that in nearly all cases, Bugzilla is not affected in any way by wiki site outages. -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
2009/3/11 Aude audeviv...@gmail.com: On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. -- Tim Starling Certainly IRC is the best way to inform developers and sys admins of a problem with Wikipedia. As a user, I also like to know what's going on when there is a problem. But, I'm not regularly on IRC. If I'm at work where I sometimes look up things on Wikipedia (but don't edit), and see that Wikipedia is down, then I am curious what the problem is. However, IRC and other types of chat are forbidden at work. :( But, I am allowed to access gmail. So, I very much appreciate it when people send messages to the mailing list about such problems. The admin log on http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log sometimes has some decent clues as to what is wrong and what is being done to fix it. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
Magnus Manske wrote: Database error From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function ExternalStoreDB::store. MySQL returned error 1114: The table 'blobs' is full (10.0.2.161). Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. -- Tim Starling ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. -- Tim Starling Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset and problem recognition? -Robert Rohde ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
Robert Rohde wrote: Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset and problem recognition? -Robert Rohde The procedure is a lot of people enter #wikimedia-tech complaining about it. There are automated alerts about servers going down or not having enough free space on disk, but not for 'saving an edit failed'. That would be tricky to do. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset and problem recognition? -Robert Rohde I believe with this issue (Full MySQL table) that there is no easy way to automate the test. maybe you could automatically query it every so often but even then that might not return reliable results. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
A bot that edits the sandbox every few minutes would work, would it? Possibly, but i would bump it up to like every two hours. Plus since the MySQL is spread between multipul systems you would have make sure it checks the same one all the time. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
2009/3/10 K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au: A bot that edits the sandbox every few minutes would work, would it? Possibly, but i would bump it up to like every two hours. Plus since the MySQL is spread between multipul systems you would have make sure it checks the same one all the time. If you're going to wait 2 hours, you might as well just wait for people to start complaining, that will be far quicker. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset and problem recognition? -Robert Rohde I believe with this issue (Full MySQL table) that there is no easy way to automate the test. maybe you could automatically query it every so often but even then that might not return reliable results. One could query count(*) from revisions (or some similar artifice, such as looking at the recent changes feed) and trigger an alert if it stops increasing. Such things are probably totally unnecessary on enwiki, because there is no shortage of people to complain, but I could image it might be useful to have such an alert for smaller, non-English speaking wikis. -Robert Rohde ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On 3/10/09 5:02 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: Such things are probably totally unnecessary on enwiki, because there is no shortage of people to complain, but I could image it might be useful to have such an alert for smaller, non-English speaking wikis. *nod* -- brion ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full
Yes, but whilst StatusBot and the proposed bot would have comparable edit statistics, the latter would have more of a reason for running than 'to update people's statuses'. It's not just about actions, it's about the justification for those actions. - Chris On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Soxred93 soxre...@gmail.com wrote: In case you didn't see the whole StatusBot fiasco on enwiki, I used to run a bot as a replacement to a replacement of [[User:StatusBot]]. The bot made 50k edis in a few months, and was soon shut down by Brion. A bot the edits the sandbox every few minutes would no way be approved. On Mar 10, 2009, at 7:54 PM [Mar 10, 2009 ], Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/3/10 K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset and problem recognition? -Robert Rohde I believe with this issue (Full MySQL table) that there is no easy way to automate the test. maybe you could automatically query it every so often but even then that might not return reliable results. A bot that edits the sandbox every few minutes would work, would it? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
