Re: wine-cvs mailing-list doesn't seem to work
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Andreas Mohr wrote: > OK, let's stop bitchin' and flamin' now and let's get back to work ;-) > > So what to do ? For one, I'd prefer to keep the this discussion on the web-admin list, so that Wine development doesn't get crowded out by administrivia. (I just added you Andreas, and anyone else interested should read the CVS commit info on winehq.com/dev.html and mail me privately.) One of the problems is that we're inside Corel's firewall. This is bad from everyone's point of view (they are exposed to our incompetence / malfeasance, we are exposed to their firewall breakage, etc.) and it's being fixed. Once that's done it should be possible to be much more open. doug. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine-cvs mailing-list doesn't seem to work
On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 06:52:08PM +0200, Patrik Stridvall wrote: > > Andreas Mohr writes: > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 01:09:38PM +0200, Ove Kaaven wrote: > > ... > > > > > > > > (anyone I forgot?) > > > Not that I know of. > > > > > > > If the missing wine-cvs mails for the recent CVS commits are caused by > > majordomo, count me as another member of the Wine-Developers Movement > > Against Majordomo. > > I know nothing about but Majordomo but if what Uwe suspects is true, > I'm against it as well. Things like this should only happend in the > event of hardware failure IMNSHO. This the second time in only > a few months. OK, let's stop bitchin' and flamin' now and let's get back to work ;-) So what to do ? Is there somebody who could help with setting up e.g. mailman (I'm NOT yet convinced that this is the best alternative - I don't have any idea) instead of Majordomo ? Unfortunately Langley Rock seems to be pretty much out of reach. At least two mails didn't get through... I'd try to read about ML managers in my spare time and perhaps set it up or perhaps help in case help is needed or something. What exactly are we going to do ? Andreas Mohr
RE: wine-cvs mailing-list doesn't seem to work
> Andreas Mohr writes: > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 01:09:38PM +0200, Ove Kaaven wrote: > ... > > > > > > (anyone I forgot?) > > Not that I know of. > > > > If the missing wine-cvs mails for the recent CVS commits are caused by > majordomo, count me as another member of the Wine-Developers Movement > Against Majordomo. I know nothing about but Majordomo but if what Uwe suspects is true, I'm against it as well. Things like this should only happend in the event of hardware failure IMNSHO. This the second time in only a few months.
Re: wine-cvs mailing-list doesn't seem to work
> "OK" == Ove Kaaven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: OK> Hey, shouldn't we organize the Wine-Developers Movement Against OK> Majordomo? Hoe exactly is Majordomo implicated in this? If delivery is slow, it is the MTA's fault because Majordomo does not do delivery. If messages are being refused, it is the MTA's fault because Majordomo does not accept messages. Majordomo is a thin and simple layer and it relies on the MTA to do essentially all of the work (which is a good idea in general, because MTAs are supposed to be good at things like delivering mail). If someone has decided to run Sendmail and expects it to deliver quickly or stand up to high load then you have the culprit. Blame Majordomo for what's wrong with it, but don't blame it for things that have nothing to do with it. - J<
Re: wine-cvs mailing-list doesn't seem to work
Andreas Mohr writes: > On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 01:09:38PM +0200, Ove Kaaven wrote: ... > > > > (anyone I forgot?) > Not that I know of. > If the missing wine-cvs mails for the recent CVS commits are caused by majordomo, count me as another member of the Wine-Developers Movement Against Majordomo. Bye Uwe Bonnes[EMAIL PROTECTED] Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt - Tel. 06151 162516 Fax. 06151 164321 --
Re: wine-cvs mailing-list doesn't seem to work
On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 01:09:38PM +0200, Ove Kaaven wrote: > Hey, shouldn't we organize the Wine-Developers Movement Against Majordomo? *ACK* > Let me see if I can remember some of the people I know don't like majordomo: > - myself > - Dimitrie O. Paun > - Jutta Wrage > - Peter Hunnisett > - David Elliott > - Andreas Mohr > > (anyone I forgot?) Not that I know of. > > Compare with the people I know like majordomo: > - none > > There are not only political reasons for not using the non-free package > majordomo, there are also superior free packages that all list subscribers > would be much more comfortable being subjected to, and that would appear > less prone to losing subscriptions and bouncing and losing mail the way it > does now. Most probably yes. At least there is some room for improvement. Hmm, I probably should have done more on the mailing list side before :-\ But time is a somewhat limited resource, I'm afraid. (I've been doing a comprehensive content check and update of WWW-WineHQ, though) Andreas Mohr
Re: wine-cvs mailing-list doesn't seem to work
Hey, shouldn't we organize the Wine-Developers Movement Against Majordomo? Let me see if I can remember some of the people I know don't like majordomo: - myself - Dimitrie O. Paun - Jutta Wrage - Peter Hunnisett - David Elliott - Andreas Mohr (anyone I forgot?) Compare with the people I know like majordomo: - none There are not only political reasons for not using the non-free package majordomo, there are also superior free packages that all list subscribers would be much more comfortable being subjected to, and that would appear less prone to losing subscriptions and bouncing and losing mail the way it does now.
Re: wine-cvs mailing-list doesn't seem to work
I've noticed that the wine-devel has gone very slow. In fact, wine2.winehq.com has ben refusing connections and the backup mailserver at Corel has been bouncing messages for no obvious reason. I don't know whether this helps David Howells
