Screenshots?
Hi, Lately I've been finding myself refer people to the preview screenshots page hosted at users.theshell.com, and was wondering when they'd be moved over to winehq.org? In particular, for some reason that server seems pretty unreliable from where I am, roughly half the time I try to access it, it appears to be offline. Does anybody know the status of the new website, or moving the screenshots to the current one? -- Mike Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] QinetiQ - Malvern Technology Center
Re: Screenshots?
Lately I've been finding myself refer people to the preview screenshots page hosted at users.theshell.com, and was wondering when they'd be moved over to winehq.org? Yeah, that server tends to suck. Not sure what's been causing them problems but high availability doesn't seem to be a priority. My goal is to move them over when Jeremy completes changes to the web site. There's a lot of problems doing that before then, mostly having to do with integrating nicely with Jeremy's stuff. For instance: 1) All the graphics need to be optimized - they're pretty bad right now. And if I have to do that then I might as well make sure they're the right size. (I picked a rather arbitrary size, that probably needs to be adjusted.) 2) The list needs to be cut down. I think it's about twice as large as a it really needs to be. 3) And of course the HTML (XML? PHP?) needs to be written for them. None of those are things I want to do twice. -brian
Re: Screenshots v0.1
Good stuff Brian, I saw the new preview page earlier. Even I was impressed by what Wine can do and I've been using it for a while now so that has to be a good start. I dunno, maybe you could have a see more screenshots link which just links to a directory with symlinks to the rest of the screenshots that weren't included, no matter what the size etc: I know some people who just *cannot* get enough screenshots sometimes. On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 19:41, Brian Vincent wrote: I've gotten a lot of great screenshots over the past few weeks. I've put together a preview you can find here: http://www.theshell.com/~vinn/ss/preview.html Be warned, the format isn't the best, the thumbnails aren't even close to optimized, I only looked at it in one browser, and it might even steal your lunch money. Random notes: - there's lots of great shots not on the thumbnails page - most likely there's a reason, not 800x600, didn't scale well, or I simply overlooked it - you can find all of the screenshots at: http://www.theshell.com/~vinn/ss - the images predominantly are PNG, though there are quite a few JPEGs. No GIF. - Special thanks to: Thomas Wickline Carlos Lozano David Buchmann Guido Grazioli Ender Juliasz Gonera Michael Krasucki Mike Hearn Rick Romero Robert Shade Rory King Tony Lambregts tavis Okay, if you've read this far maybe you're expecting something to prompt discussion. One of the things you'll notice is there's a lot of screenshots on there there almost certainly don't run out of the box. In some instances the folks above listed exactly what they had to do to make it run. Personally, I don't think it matters. We already have the apps DB and the proposed Gold/Silver/.. apps list, I really don't think we need more than a link to one of those. Also, a few weeks ago there was a lot of discussion of a new WineHQ site. Any progress on that front? -Brian Vincent -- Mike Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] QinetiQ - Malvern Technology Center
Screenshots v0.1
I've gotten a lot of great screenshots over the past few weeks. I've put together a preview you can find here: http://www.theshell.com/~vinn/ss/preview.html Be warned, the format isn't the best, the thumbnails aren't even close to optimized, I only looked at it in one browser, and it might even steal your lunch money. Random notes: - there's lots of great shots not on the thumbnails page - most likely there's a reason, not 800x600, didn't scale well, or I simply overlooked it - you can find all of the screenshots at: http://www.theshell.com/~vinn/ss - the images predominantly are PNG, though there are quite a few JPEGs. No GIF. - Special thanks to: Thomas Wickline Carlos Lozano David Buchmann Guido Grazioli Ender Juliasz Gonera Michael Krasucki Mike Hearn Rick Romero Robert Shade Rory King Tony Lambregts tavis Okay, if you've read this far maybe you're expecting something to prompt discussion. One of the things you'll notice is there's a lot of screenshots on there there almost certainly don't run out of the box. In some instances the folks above listed exactly what they had to do to make it run. Personally, I don't think it matters. We already have the apps DB and the proposed Gold/Silver/.. apps list, I really don't think we need more than a link to one of those. Also, a few weeks ago there was a lot of discussion of a new WineHQ site. Any progress on that front? -Brian Vincent
Re: Screenshots v0.1
On December 1, 2002 02:41 pm, Brian Vincent wrote: I've gotten a lot of great screenshots over the past few weeks. I've put together a preview you can find here: http://www.theshell.com/~vinn/ss/preview.html Very nice! I'll add the link to the TODO entry. Be warned, the format isn't the best, the thumbnails aren't even close to optimized, I only looked at it in one browser, and it might even steal your lunch money. They look great man, what do you want to optimize them for? :) Okay, if you've read this far maybe you're expecting something to prompt discussion. One of the things you'll notice is there's a lot of screenshots on there there almost certainly don't run out of the box. In some instances the folks above listed exactly what they had to do to make it run. Personally, I don't think it matters. We already have the apps DB and the proposed Gold/Silver/.. apps list, I really don't think we need more than a link to one of those. Indeed. I would say as long as the app runs decently (with whatever tricks) it's OK. But if the app runs enough just to produce the shot... it's not fair, kinda like false advertisement. -- Dimi.
Re: Screenshots
Here's a few game-esque contributions from myself: www.enderboi.com/winepics/ (sure sure, two of them are pretty redundant thanks to Native linux ports... but what the hell :) - Ender On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Tony Lambregts wrote: Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:37:50 -0700 From: Tony Lambregts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brian Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Wine devel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Screenshots Brian Vincent wrote: I've been meaning to put something together for a few days here.. shots to Brian isn't the best way to go about it as nobody knows who has sent what. Have you actually got any yet Brian? First, take a look at: http://www.theshell.com/~vinn/ss [snip] The following would be nice to see: any game This Game has only two minor bugs that keep it from being Platinum The first is that it needs to be run from its own directory (is that really a bug?) and the other is there is a screen for parents which is not accessable. Yes I (just) filed a bug report about it. http://bugs.winehq.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1162 I don't know if this is really sexy but I like the results. http://www.telusplanet.net/public/lambregt/LeapAheadPreschool.png All my other games have more serious bugs but I thought this one might qualify for Gold especially if The keyboard thing was cleared up. If you are interested these are a list of other games and their problems. Other games: Riven - Major screen corruption, Menu doesn't work. Myst - Hell I havent played it for so long I don't realy know whats wrong with it SimCity - Intro screen does not play, formatting of numbers wrong and lockup if you save while exiting (yes the linux verion works fine.) Other Kids games Curious George - medium screen coruption some sound problems An American Tail - sound locks up after movies (PITA} Operation - Major screen corruption. Carmen Sandiego Junior Detective - Won't start (just bought it) Some of these have bug reports but I guess I still have some bug reporting to do... -- Tony Lambregts
Re: Screenshots
Hi, On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:37:50PM -0700, Tony Lambregts wrote: [snip] Other games: Riven - Major screen corruption, Menu doesn't work. Myst - Hell I havent played it for so long I don't realy know whats wrong with it The last time i checked it (4-5 month ago) it worked just fine. I'll check it again. bye michael -- Michael Stefaniuc Tel.: +49-711-96437-199 System Administration Fax.: +49-711-96437-111 Red Hat GmbHEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hauptstaetterstr. 58http://www.redhat.de/ D-70178 Stuttgart msg14509/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Screenshots
Brian Vincent wrote: First, take a look at: http://www.theshell.com/~vinn/ss Quite a few folks have sent stuff in. Now, after looking at so many screenshots and trying to evaluate them for content I've realized a few things.. 1) We're absolutely going to have to insist on 800x600 resolution. Thanks for all the ones so far, but really the only usable ones are the 800x600. (There are exceptions, such as Mike's Quicktime one that can be resized nicely.) 2) Screenshots of an application doing something are the way to go. For instance, the one Mike just sent me showing Adobe's SVG plug-in in IE is WAY cool. Unfortunately it's not usable because of the resolution. Even a pull-down menu being pulled down is enough. 3) Cluttered desktops suck. You don't need to have 3 terminal windows, Mozilla, and everything else in the background. For the most part I think the screenshots have followed that rule closely. Is there a reason I get a 403 error (Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /~vinn/ss/Rick_Romero/PegasusMail1.png on this server.) on all of Rick_Romero's submissions? Are they secret? Can I make a suggestion as well that complicated desktop background pictures are unhelpful ... they make the file a lot bigger without contributing anything. That said,for apps which you can run to occupy all available screen space this is not a problem. David
Re: Screenshots
d'oh! I forgot about the resolution thing. No matter, I can retake the ones I did at 800x600 easily enough. Are there any that aren't really worth bothering with Brian, or should I retake them all at the new res? I assume apart from that they were generally OK. thanks -mike On Wed, 2002-11-20 at 17:25, Brian Vincent wrote: I've been meaning to put something together for a few days here.. shots to Brian isn't the best way to go about it as nobody knows who has sent what. Have you actually got any yet Brian? First, take a look at: http://www.theshell.com/~vinn/ss Quite a few folks have sent stuff in. Now, after looking at so many screenshots and trying to evaluate them for content I've realized a few things.. 1) We're absolutely going to have to insist on 800x600 resolution. Thanks for all the ones so far, but really the only usable ones are the 800x600. (There are exceptions, such as Mike's Quicktime one that can be resized nicely.) 2) Screenshots of an application doing something are the way to go. For instance, the one Mike just sent me showing Adobe's SVG plug-in in IE is WAY cool. Unfortunately it's not usable because of the resolution. Even a pull-down menu being pulled down is enough. 3) Cluttered desktops suck. You don't need to have 3 terminal windows, Mozilla, and everything else in the background. For the most part I think the screenshots have followed that rule closely. Okay, here's the deal.. Thomas Wickline volunteered to do screenshots of these apps: Office 2000 and everything in it lotus notes Quicken Quick Books visio Carlos Lozano did shots for the gold list apps. I'm going to ask him for some more here in the future.. (unbeknowst to him) The following would be nice to see: any game the exact same screenshot Mike Hearn sent of IE/SVG except at 800x600 Adobe Photoshop Anything else is fair game. I'll put screenshots on that URL above, so check there before doing any. -brian -- Mike Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] QinetiQ
Re: Screenshots
Brian Vincent wrote: I've been meaning to put something together for a few days here.. shots to Brian isn't the best way to go about it as nobody knows who has sent what. Have you actually got any yet Brian? First, take a look at: http://www.theshell.com/~vinn/ss [snip] The following would be nice to see: any game This Game has only two minor bugs that keep it from being Platinum The first is that it needs to be run from its own directory (is that really a bug?) and the other is there is a screen for parents which is not accessable. Yes I (just) filed a bug report about it. http://bugs.winehq.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1162 I don't know if this is really sexy but I like the results. http://www.telusplanet.net/public/lambregt/LeapAheadPreschool.png All my other games have more serious bugs but I thought this one might qualify for Gold especially if The keyboard thing was cleared up. If you are interested these are a list of other games and their problems. Other games: Riven - Major screen corruption, Menu doesn't work. Myst - Hell I havent played it for so long I don't realy know whats wrong with it SimCity - Intro screen does not play, formatting of numbers wrong and lockup if you save while exiting (yes the linux verion works fine.) Other Kids games Curious George - medium screen coruption some sound problems An American Tail - sound locks up after movies (PITA} Operation - Major screen corruption. Carmen Sandiego Junior Detective - Won't start (just bought it) Some of these have bug reports but I guess I still have some bug reporting to do... -- Tony Lambregts
Screenshots
Hi, I'm happy to put together some screenshots on my RedHat 8 box at work (pretty much default install albiet with a slightly customised gnome2 layout). However it strikes me that having people just randomly send shots to Brian isn't the best way to go about it as nobody knows who has sent what. Have you actually got any yet Brian? If not, are there any apps you'd like to me make screenshots of? I currently have IE6 and WinZip installed, but can go install more if they are freely available on the net. thanks -mike -- Mike Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] QinetiQ
Re: Screenshots
I've been meaning to put something together for a few days here.. shots to Brian isn't the best way to go about it as nobody knows who has sent what. Have you actually got any yet Brian? First, take a look at: http://www.theshell.com/~vinn/ss Quite a few folks have sent stuff in. Now, after looking at so many screenshots and trying to evaluate them for content I've realized a few things.. 1) We're absolutely going to have to insist on 800x600 resolution. Thanks for all the ones so far, but really the only usable ones are the 800x600. (There are exceptions, such as Mike's Quicktime one that can be resized nicely.) 2) Screenshots of an application doing something are the way to go. For instance, the one Mike just sent me showing Adobe's SVG plug-in in IE is WAY cool. Unfortunately it's not usable because of the resolution. Even a pull-down menu being pulled down is enough. 3) Cluttered desktops suck. You don't need to have 3 terminal windows, Mozilla, and everything else in the background. For the most part I think the screenshots have followed that rule closely. Okay, here's the deal.. Thomas Wickline volunteered to do screenshots of these apps: Office 2000 and everything in it lotus notes Quicken Quick Books visio Carlos Lozano did shots for the gold list apps. I'm going to ask him for some more here in the future.. (unbeknowst to him) The following would be nice to see: any game the exact same screenshot Mike Hearn sent of IE/SVG except at 800x600 Adobe Photoshop Anything else is fair game. I'll put screenshots on that URL above, so check there before doing any. -brian
Making screenshots
People, I've added a small section describing a few criteria for a good screenshot. Check it out at: http://www.dssd.ca/wine/Wine-0.9-TODO.html#screenshots Now, if you feel like doing screenshots, please forward them to: Brian Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] how's collecting them. -- Dimi.
Re: Making screenshots
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, Dimitrie O. Paun wrote: People, I've added a small section describing a few criteria for a good screenshot. Check it out at: http://www.dssd.ca/wine/Wine-0.9-TODO.html#screenshots Let me just add a few recommendations: * you say big screenshots are bad which I mostly agree with. If a standard size were to be decided upon I would rather vote for 1024x768 than for 800x600. However that's not my point here. My point is that one should not take a screenshot of 1600x1200 and scale it to 800x600. This makes the fonts unreadable as is shown by your last screenshot (http://www.dssd.ca/wine/wine-ss-ok-small.png). Instead I would recommend to start a VNC server or a second X session with the right resolution and take a screenshot of that. * the second recommendation would be to make sure it shows nice fonts. So install the fonts from http://sourceforge.net/projects/corefonts/ and make sure you have a FreeType library with hinting (or use CrossOver Office ;-). * if you take the full desktop, then avoid fancy backgrounds. The best would be to use the distribution's default look and feel to make it more recongnizable. Finally I'm not too hot on systematically taking a screenshot of a full desktop. If the screenshot is to go in the application database then I think taking just the application window is enough. We also need screenshots of full desktops but not that many. In some cases a partial desktop could be enough, especially if the application window is small (CD players, Trillian, etc). -- Francois Gouget [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://fgouget.free.fr/ We are Pentium of Borg. You will be approximated. Division is futile.
Re: Making screenshots
Francois Gouget wrote: Finally I'm not too hot on systematically taking a screenshot of a full desktop. If the screenshot is to go in the application database then I think taking just the application window is enough. We also need screenshots of full desktops but not that many. In some cases a partial desktop could be enough, especially if the application window is small (CD players, Trillian, etc). I think people tend to take full screens because they think that otherwise noone will believe this is, indeed, Unix running the app. Sh.
Re: Lindows screenshots
Personally I would be pissed off if someone is making money after all the work I had but into a Free Project assuming it would be free for everyone else to use, including the source. I guess the project should change the license to LGPL and make it retroactive and enforce it. James Well, I wouldn't go that far. But alas the Lindows work will probably never see the light of day, according to the interview linked from slashdot.. While Lindows will be constructed on top of open-source software, some of its key elements will be proprietary -- a strategy that will not make some open-source advocates happy but which Robertson says is essential to making the business work. Similar to Transgaming, only it looks like they've made major progress in making just everyday apps work.
Re: Lindows screenshots AND THE WINE LICENSE
On 2002.01.10 12:25 Roland wrote: [snip] But there are more dangers for the WINE license. It would be possible for a company like Lindows hire away all WINE developers, effectively hijacking the project. Alternatively if Lindows becomes a success it will be able to hire more programmers and keep improving their own version of WINE, so that it would always be much better than the free WINE. I wonder why this didn't happen to FreeBSD. First of all, licensing has been discussed to death and will remain as MIT for the forseable future. Although I note you are not arguing this.. just throwing this out. Personally I would not want to work for a company that took free software, fixed or hacked around some major bugs, and sold it for $100 a copy. While I couldn't speak for the other Wine developers I feel that many of them would not be willing to do this. Look at CodeWeavers and TransGaming. CW sells the service of porting an application from Windows to winelib. For their business to function properly they need a Wine which works well. It is true that since they contribute most of their modifications back (with some very minor exceptions) someone /could/ compete with them. However, if you were a company who was going to contract out the porting of your windows application, who would you trust? Some newcomer to the field with no reputation or a company who employs top Wine developers? And in the event that someone does enter the market successfully... well, more power to them. Jeremy has stated several times that contributing CW modifications back to Wine is actually in his best business interest as it means he does not have to deal with a totally overmodified tree and instead reaps all of the benefits of free software including people who build on his work and contribute that to the Wine project. According to Jeremey, moving to a GPL license could potentially help CodeWeavers (see previous mails in the list archives). TransGaming sells the service of enhancing Wine to run popular games. Contributing all of their modifications back to Wine would mean no one would want to buy their product when they can get Wine for free. Contrast this with CW who have already been paid for the work (or at least have a contract to be paid). However, TransGaming does still release their source under a non-free license which at least gives the user some freedom. For TG, moving to the GPL would be very disastrous to their business model, well, there was some debate on how disastrous it would be, but it would harm them in some ways. Now look at Lindows. Basically they want to take the work that many people have spent a lot of time creating and essentially steal it for their own benefit. I am gonna laugh though when Wine is actually good enough that their modifications have no value over Wine. Plus, it's not exactly as if Lindows is a new idea. MANY people have proposed this exact same idea (including myself I think). Let's look at what exactly Lindows has done: 1. They added the Windows programs menu into the KDE menu. Big deal, trivial. 2. They made KDE look as much like Windows as possible. Again... big deal. 3. They fixed some bugs with Wine. Or at least hacked around them (more likely) to make popular applications work. Trust me.. getting MS Office 2000 working is no big shit. Neither is IE. Both of these programs almost work with a few crashes and a few native DLLs. Assuming they are using wine dlls then one thing I assume they did was fix the common controls stuff to look right. This part is not trivial, but not unreachable either. Is $100 really worth it? I thought that was a joke when I saw it. They've been developing this for what.. a few months, half a year maybe? It still crashes, and I'll bet if this goes on the market and office crashes a lot of people are going to bitch about the stability of Linux, when really it's because they are using alpha software (Wine). Sorry about the rant, just had a few things I wanted to say. -Dave
Re: Lindows screenshots
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, James Tabor wrote: Bang Jun-Young wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:06:11AM -0800, Bill Medland wrote: I wouldn't hold my breath; why would they contribute the valuable stuff back? What do you think of people that have contributed their invaluable time/money/energy/passion/etc to Wine for last years? :P Personally I would be pissed off if someone is making money after all the work I had but into a Free Project assuming it would be free for everyone else to use, including the source. I guess the project should change the license to LGPL and make it retroactive and enforce it. Once a license has been granted, it can't be unilaterally revoked. Although going forward Wine could be distributed under a different license than the present one, past decisions will stand. Steve Langasek postmodern programmer
Re: Lindows screenshots
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 08:06:11AM -0800, Bill Medland wrote: I wouldn't hold my breath; why would they contribute the valuable stuff back? What do you think of people that have contributed their invaluable time/money/energy/passion/etc to Wine for last years? :P Jun-Young -- Bang Jun-Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lindows screenshots
Hi, I just got this - Lindows released 2 screenshots of their Lindows: www.lindows.com/screenshots Now, IF they did use wine (and thats a big if - from the screenshots they're running either Office 2K or office XP, Internet Explorer, the fonts looks like MS TTF fonts, and I think those screenshots are modified a bit - look at the 2nd screenshots, behind the start menu - look at the file/edit/view menu - it should be alligned to the left) and they'll contribute some parts of their wine to the standard wine - then wine will be in much better shape then what is it today. Hetz
Re: Lindows screenshots
Thisn is going to be a fun one - think of all the M$ patents and EULA's they are breaking :) M$ might leave us alone - but a competative product looking that much like windows? No chanec. Which probably means we'll never see a line of code.. A) Because they'll keep it to themselves, and B) because they'll be out of buisness within a month of first sales. Call me a cynic :p Regards,| Any significantly advanced technology is | indistinguishable from a perl script. Ender | (James Brown) | [Nehahra, EasyCuts, PureLS, www.QuakeSrc.org] On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:48:14 +0200 From: Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lindows screenshots Hi, I just got this - Lindows released 2 screenshots of their Lindows: www.lindows.com/screenshots Now, IF they did use wine (and thats a big if - from the screenshots they're running either Office 2K or office XP, Internet Explorer, the fonts looks like MS TTF fonts, and I think those screenshots are modified a bit - look at the 2nd screenshots, behind the start menu - look at the file/edit/view menu - it should be alligned to the left) and they'll contribute some parts of their wine to the standard wine - then wine will be in much better shape then what is it today. Hetz
Re: Lindows screenshots
J.Brown (Ender/Amigo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Thisn is going to be a fun one - think of all the M$ patents and EULA's they are breaking :) M$ might leave us alone - but a competative product looking that much like windows? No chanec. Did you notice that M$ are already on the offensive; they are going to court over the name itself. Bill
Re: Lindows screenshots
Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I just got this - Lindows released 2 screenshots of their Lindows: www.lindows.com/screenshots Now, IF they did use wine (and thats a big if Why? It looks to me like KDE Wine and enough hard work to get a couple of office apps up with some reasonable fonts (and the usual minimal touchup work for marketing screenshots) Cut menu - it should be alligned to the left) and they'll contribute some parts of their wine to the standard wine - then wine will be in much better shape then what is it today. I wouldn't hold my breath; why would they contribute the valuable stuff back? Bill
Re: Lindows screenshots
Yeah, M$ is claiming that they got -indows as a registered trademark. But, they tried to register Windows (by itself) as a registered trademark a few years back. But they got turned down because the word windows is a common English word. They cannot register word suffices as registered trademarks IMO. Personally, who is going to confuse between Windows and Lindows? If one isn't paying attention, they may sound similar, but in print, they are unmistakingly different. It's yet another abuse of their monopoly status. Just my two cents worth. ** Derek J Witt ** * Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Home Page: http://www.flinthills.com/~djw/ * *** ...and on the eighth day, God met Bill Gates. - Unknown ** On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Bill Medland wrote: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:48:37 -0800 From: Bill Medland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lindows screenshots J.Brown (Ender/Amigo) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Thisn is going to be a fun one - think of all the M$ patents and EULA's they are breaking :) M$ might leave us alone - but a competative product looking that much like windows? No chanec. Did you notice that M$ are already on the offensive; they are going to court over the name itself. Bill
wine.conf graphical front-end screenshots
hi guys!
here is the link where you can see the "basic" screens ("advanced"
screens are not implemented yet):
http://twine.codeweavers.com/~mpilka
it's the time for your boggles, i'm sure you have many :-)
martin
