Re: [Wine] www.winehq.com newsletter dead forever?
The developer's list was talking about this a couple of weeks back. Somebody was going to take over and continue the newsletter, but nothing yet. - Original Message From: Michal Seliga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:14:31 AM Subject: [Wine] www.winehq.com newsletter dead forever? I know its like this for a long time, but i have to ask... what happened with Wine newsletter? it was interesting reading and now its gone there is no update since last wineconf ___ wine-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: Adobe Photoshop idea
- Original Message From: Tom Wickline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Karsten Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: wine-devel@winehq.org Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 4:46:22 AM Subject: Re: Adobe Photoshop idea > Sun Microsystems, Novel, Corel and countless others are soon to be known as > ... Who ? Sun Microsystems can't be killed. Many of the world's infrastructure literally relies on them (though, it's not quite evident from the end user standpoint.) The only way they would go away is if they were bought out, and then, the Sun name was axed. Hiji
Re: Adobe Photoshop idea
Hey Karsten, Is there any other way to see the thread? It requires a login. ATM, I think its great that PhotoShop 7 runs near perfectly under Wine, but it would be fantastic if CS and CS2 versions ran just as smoothly. Hiji - Original Message From: Karsten Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: wine-devel@winehq.org Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 11:51:43 PM Subject: Adobe Photoshop idea I know a lot of people really want newer versions of photoshop (CS, CS2) to work with wine, myself included, so I opened up a feature request on Adobe's Photoshop forum, first with the intent to lobby for a Linux version, but then had the idea that maybe it would be more realistic to get Photoshop to work in Linux via Wine, possibly via having some sort of collaboration between the two dev groups. A reply I got on their messageboard is actually from a dev, and I suggested to him that they work with the Wine devs on this, as it seems much more realistic and possible than a Linux port. So I'm sending this to you guys as a heads up that this might be a good opportunity to get in contact with the Adobe people about getting some ideas on getting Photoshop working in Wine. Here's the link to the thread: http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc1d4af/7 maybe someone could reply and say Hi at least and say to Chris (that's the guy) that you'd be receptive to some input from Adobe on this. I can only see this as a win-win situation for everyone, Linux users for getting Photoshop working, and Adobe for the admiration of the Linux community and the possibility of new revenue that might be available to them via new sales of the software. Sorry to drop in from out of nowhere on this, but I thought the opportunity seemed to good to not say anything. So long and thanks for wine, it's awesome :) Karsten
Re: Governance revisited
- Original Message From: Mike McCormack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: wine-devel@winehq.org; Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 11:42:36 PM Subject: Re: Governance revisited > The current process is crippling this project, limiting the developer > base > and reducing community value. Without some healthy dissent it will never > change and get better. I am a friend of change, a true believer in the > process of continuous improvement. I believe one day, the WIne project will > value my contribution - even in dissent. We value your contribution, however it's even more valuable to have developers that listen to feedback and fix their broken patches rather than just complaining loudly. Since you know better, how about maintaining your own Wine tree and showing us how it's done? Mike - I think Bob, Jim and co. were very diplomatic in their recommendations, and I firmly believe that they symbolize the opinions of a much larger group of people. I don't think they've overstepped their boundaries at all, have "complained" or rushed-in to proclaim that they are "know-it-alls". What they do realize is that the process can be improved and have tried to provide recommendations. I'm also very suprised that they have been accused of "trolling" when I didn't see it that way at all - I think someone who was "complaining" or "trolling" because their patches never/ rarely make it in would be MUCH less constructive. You guys, you don't have to be on the "defensive" because Bob, Jim, and co. are "attacking" you. Watching and being on this list for a few years now, it's no secret that this topic has come up over and over again - clearly, they aren't the only ones feeling this way and the "problem" persists. We've seen MANY discouraged developers leave because of situations like this, and I believe this hurts the project. Yeah, the team can say "hey, we have no problem with it", but I think that's only because those who disagree have been "scared away". As far as the recommendation to fork the tree, I wouldn't be suprised if that happens because it's already happened once before - of course, relations between this team and with Transgaming aren't all that great; so, I doubt they would want to share their development process. I think this team has done an incredible job with Wine - heck I've made it a point to stop by the CodeWeavers booth the last two year at LinuxWorld to say how much I love the work you guys do (sometimes, I'm the only one there). However, I can't help but believe that this project can evolve MUCH faster and better to gain the respect that it deserves. I've been using Wine for a little over 2 years now (it's the first app I've ever installed on Linux, and its what kept me on Linux), but from a user's perspective, I have seen very little progress (and in some cases, steps backwards.) And frankly said, it really sucks to hear that the developers here don't place user needs/ value higher on their priority list. Granted, Wine is free software, and I could off and do my own thing, but speaking merely from a personal satisfaction perspective, when I develop something, what really makes me happy is knowing that the person using my app REALLY enjoys and makes use of it. That's why it's always high on my priority list. If I don't have that going for me, I have no reason to develop the app. I just want to close with this: I'm not trolling (the team should know this because I've been on the list for awhile) and I certainly don't think that anyone else here has trolled around this thread. A Wine Fan, Hiji
Re: my dsound/winealsa hacks
Keep us posted. I'm interested in getting better support for audio recording under Wine. Hiji - Original Message From: Tomas Carnecky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: wine-devel@winehq.org Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:34:14 AM Subject: Re: my dsound/winealsa hacks Tomas Carnecky wrote: > I'm fairly sure this all could be done in a WoW-independent way, eg. > configure the hardware as the application requests it (by passing > LPCDSBUFFERDESC to the low-level driver etc) and keeping track of the > read/write positions could also be done in a better way. A small update on that, I managed to indeed make it WoW-independent, I tested it with foobar2000 and the playback works fine, there is an issue with the sound volume, it keeps changing if I seek :-/ Right now I'm documenting the code, so my next patch will be a little bit better readable and easier to understand :) tom
Re: Thank you
We just shipped a public beta of CrossOver for the Mac. We're very excited about the Mac opportunities as we hope it will give us a much needed boost and allow us to accelerate our own contributions to Wine. I'm proud of our work on Wine - and I am very privileged to work with the folks at CodeWeavers. However, it's also clear that the Wine community is a growing one, and that a large portion of the work in CrossOver comes from people who contribute here. This past year, in particular, I've noticed a great jump in contributions, notably in the area of games (yay for World of Warcraft support!). By doing so, I think you make the world a better place, and indirectly you help all of us at CodeWeavers to make a living - you literally help to put food on my table (although my wife is getting tired of beans and rice :-/). So, thanks. I personally appreciate it, and think it's Good (TM) that you do. I also believe that countless other folks who use Wine in various forms also appreciate it, although they're polite enough not to write long winded emails expressing that. But for any of you that come to Reading, the least we can do is buy you dinner and a drink or two. And if any contributor ever needs something from CodeWeavers (like a free CrossOver account), just holler. Cheers, Jeremy White CEO CodeWeavers, Inc. p.s. Okay, being brutally honest, the jury is out on whether or not all the work making World of WarCrack^H^Hft is going to be a net gain for us or not. Now even my wife is addicted, and I have to go level up my Paladin to keep the work group happy... :-/ -- Wow! That's great news! Congrats on getting that public beta out. On a side note, I made it a point to stop by the CrossOver booth at LinuxWorld. I didn't catch the name of the guy manning the booth, but poor guy, I basically talked his ear off about how much I love Wine, and that I wish Wine and CrossOver got a lot more exposure. Hopefully, adding the Mac to the mix will help with that! Hiji
Re: What purpose does wineinstall still serve?
> I know this feature is intended to make it easier for people to compile wine, > but people who aren't comfortable with this should use precompiled packages. I don't agree with this. For most software, I will use an RPM, but I refuse to use Wine RPMs. Either it is not optimized for my setup, or weird things happen (like I can't run anything unless I'm root.) Wine-install makes installing Wine simple and painless, and if you want to make and compile yourself w/o wine-install, you can do that too. So, there's no harm in keeping it around. Hiji
Re: What purpose does wineinstall still serve?
Last we discussed, wineinstall was kept to make it easier for newbies to install Wine. I'm not quite the newbie to Linux or Wine anymore, but I think I would still be a bit lost without it. From what I understand, there's more than "configure/ make/ make install" required to install Wine. Wineinstall nicely packages everything for ya! :) Hiji - Original Message From: Scott Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Wine Devel Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 11:53:36 PM Subject: What purpose does wineinstall still serve? A while back, we talked about deleting Wine install. What exactly does it do these days, and why do we still have it? Thanks, Scott Ritchie
Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')
On Wednesday 29 March 2006 7:31 pm, Hiji wrote: > > How do you propose we prevent people from emailing people that post to > > wine-devel? How do we choose who gets to email people directly and > > who doesn't? How do we filter the contents of their email? > > I want to chime in and say that I'm with Tom and the ole Doc here. I don't > think there's any way to filter somebody's contents, but I think it's > important for the community to speak up when somebody is out of line. Chris Morgan wrote: > Perhaps you didn't actually read the emails that were sent. This might > explain the discrepancy between your comment about "thinking its important > for the community to speak up when somebody is out of line" and this email > from Tom, the one I was replying to: I read all the emails, and I know exactly what I am referring to; so, there is no discrepancy. ;) I had in mind Segin's initial email (which was sent to the entire list): --- Segin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to > this you have a IQ of > 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the > WineTools 'magic' is in > it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer > uses/acknoleges, thefore, > WineTools is utterly useless and has no point in > existing AT ALL, PERIOD. To which I responded: > Dude, you need a bit more constructive in your > comments, or you'll be getting a lot of resentment on > this list REAL fast. Per your comment "What he said on the list seemed pretty reasonable to me.", if you don't see anything wrong with what Segin said, then so be it. Others, meanwhile, have recognized his misplaced behavior. Cheers, Hiji
Re: OT: General behaviour of the community (from 'Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all')
> How do you propose we prevent people from emailing people that post to > wine-devel? How do we choose who gets to email people directly and > who doesn't? How do we filter the contents of their email? I want to chime in and say that I'm with Tom and the ole Doc here. I don't think there's any way to filter somebody's contents, but I think it's important for the community to speak up when somebody is out of line. I know I was the first to respond to Sergin's email by asking that he be more constructive in his feedback, but past that, none of the regulars on this thread said much. Now, his thread has spawned into something that is s far out there that it almost has no relevancy to this list. I want to note that I don't see how Sergin's comments and behavior could have been interpreted as anything but inappropriate; however, with the majority of people not saying anything, I can only imagine that Sergin felt that what he did was perfectly okay and acceptable on this list. I'm trying to say two things here: 1) If somebody says/ does something that is not okay, say something to that person. Of course, be constructive about it. For example, when I first joined this list, people got upset that I was top-posting - I learned that it was not ok in this community because people said someting. So, I try to bottom post (when I remember.) 2) I've always said Wine is an awesome thing - probably the best thing to come out of the Linux community since ... well, Linux and its desktops. Now, more than ever, Wine need as many developers as possible to keep it improve b/c as Linux adoption continues people will look to Wine and CrossOver for application cross-compatibility. And, I'm not talking about the developer who pops in with a patch every 6 months (I see that person as a patch submitter), but instead, I'm talking about a developer who dedicated him/herself to the Wine project. And with that, the team can't afford to lose that good talent b/c the "newbie talent" was mistreated in this community. Those are my 2 cents that I think will go a long way. Thanks, Hiji
Re: Why winetools is utterly useless, once and for all.
--- Segin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is one reason, inarguable (if you reply to > this you have a IQ of > 0) as to why WineTools is useless: Most of the > WineTools 'magic' is in > it's ~/.wine/config file, which Wine no longer > uses/acknoleges, thefore, > WineTools is utterly useless and has no point in > existing AT ALL, PERIOD. Dude, you need a bit more constructive in your comments, or you'll be getting a lot of resentment on this list REAL fast. Just a word of advice, Hiji M-Halo: Electronic Rock http://www.mhalo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: I have a complaint about the website
> So theoretically a virus could spread just as > easily through a wine system as well as a Windows > system. That virus could spread even if the > security in Linux is in place. The wine > installation could be affected and we have to > reinstall the wine directory. Take a look at this. It's a good read: http://winehq.org/?issue=259#Wine%20&%20Viruses Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CreateScalableFontResourceA: what does it mean?
--- Vitaliy Margolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Friday, March 24, 2006, 12:44:46 AM, Hiji wrote: > > There is this program, Cakewalk Sonar XL 2 > > > (http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=2615) > > that I always try to run on Wine. The good news > is, I > > can get it running, not smoothly, but it does run. > > > However, it tries to utilize one of its own fonts, > and > > always stubs on CreateScalableFontResourceA. > > > It hits this: > > fixme:font:CreateScalableFontResourceA > > > (0,"C:\\PROG~FBU\\Cakewalk\\SONA~3TJ\\TTSNOTE.FOR","C:\\PROG~FBU\\Cakewalk\\SONA~3TJ\\TTSNOTE.TTR",(null)): > > stub > > > Then the app tells me the following in a popup: > > "Cannot create the Staff view musical symbol > font." > > > Anybody know what this means or have any > workaround > > for making CreateScalableFontResourceA work? I've > > seen this problem since Dec. 2004, but since it > hasn't > > gone away, I thought I'd pipe up and ask about it. > > > Thanks in advance! > > Hiji > > AFAIK that was the only way for any program to > "temporary" install it's > fonts. Temporary means that the font will be > available to the current > session only (no entirely sure here if font will > stay after program > closes or will be available). > > Vitaliy Thanks for the tidbit - it makes things a lot clearer! The TTSNOTE.FOR font, I found, resides within the application's folder in Program Files and appears to go through this motion every time it starts up. So, my guess is that it goes away after the program closes. I know that on my Win install, the app never permanently moves the font to my system fonts folder. Anybody have a workaround for making this work? Thanks! Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
CreateScalableFontResourceA: what does it mean?
There is this program, Cakewalk Sonar XL 2 (http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=2615) that I always try to run on Wine. The good news is, I can get it running, not smoothly, but it does run. However, it tries to utilize one of its own fonts, and always stubs on CreateScalableFontResourceA. It hits this: fixme:font:CreateScalableFontResourceA (0,"C:\\PROG~FBU\\Cakewalk\\SONA~3TJ\\TTSNOTE.FOR","C:\\PROG~FBU\\Cakewalk\\SONA~3TJ\\TTSNOTE.TTR",(null)): stub Then the app tells me the following in a popup: "Cannot create the Staff view musical symbol font." Anybody know what this means or have any workaround for making CreateScalableFontResourceA work? I've seen this problem since Dec. 2004, but since it hasn't gone away, I thought I'd pipe up and ask about it. Thanks in advance! Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: May be a bad idea to have Winetools in the next SUSE release
> Hmm, I have some kind of recommendation here. > > What about winetools using ".winetools" as > WINEPREFIX setting? > > This would make it possible to keep a ".wine" for > the purists, and > ".winetools" for the "just get things done" people. > > Up to now winetools does not seem to honor a > WINEPREFIX setting > (also a bug I think). Seperating .wine and .winetools would be cool. In fact, the only reason I don't use winetools is because it "dilutes" my pure wine install. Just tossing in my 2 cents! Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: wine-0.9.8 and Lotus Notes 6.5.1
--- Rainer Dorsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > just wanted to report my wine experience with Lotus > Notes 6.5.1: I wanted to add that the Wine Application DB is also an excellent place to report Wine experiences with applications: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=2271 http://appdb.winehq.org/ :) Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What to do??? -- WINE 0.9.3-0.9.7 and Photoshop 7
> > On Tuesday 14 February 2006 22:12, Hiji wrote: > > > Can anybody help? > > > > Did you try latest CVS? I don't have PS7, but this > > patch went in on Saturday > > and might be related (If I recall correctly, > Martin > > mentioned the PS7 > > breakage): > http://source.winehq.org/git/?p=wine.git;a=commit;h=c362d7c35ba3c02d68a9b7e42b48db210a901667 > > Martin just replied to me. I don't pull out of CVS; > so, I'll wait for the next release! > > If it doesn't work out, then I'll report back. > > Thanks! > Hijinio Thumbs up! Photoshop 7 runs once again via 0.9.8. Though, I didn't try installing it (I just carried over my .wine folder.) Thanks to everyone! MANY people will be happy again! Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What to do??? -- WINE 0.9.3-0.9.7 and Photoshop 7
--- Michael Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 14 February 2006 22:12, Hiji wrote: > > Can anybody help? > > Did you try latest CVS? I don't have PS7, but this > patch went in on Saturday > and might be related (If I recall correctly, Martin > mentioned the PS7 > breakage): > > http://source.winehq.org/git/?p=wine.git;a=commit;h=c362d7c35ba3c02d68a9b7e42b48db210a901667 Martin just replied to me. I don't pull out of CVS; so, I'll wait for the next release! If it doesn't work out, then I'll report back. Thanks! Hijinio __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
What to do??? -- WINE 0.9.3-0.9.7 and Photoshop 7
Photoshop 7 has been broken for quite some time, and the person who submitted the patch which broke it can't fix it because he doesn't have PS7. Except for the first email, all emails sent to him have gone unanswered. People on the APPDB have been commenting on this for awhile now: http://appdb.winehq.com/appview.php?versionId=1336 PS7 is one of the more popular apps to run via Wine, I believe. It can't look good on the Wine community if PS7 once ran, but no longer does. Can anybody help? Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: WINE 0.9.3-0.9.6 and Photoshop 7 & CS
--- Aleksey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The patch has been found that breaks Photoshop, but > 0.9.6 still brakes PS. Yes, if the submitter of the patch that broke Photoshop could take a look and fix this, that would be great! (This has been broken since 0.9.3) It's this patch: http://source.winehq.org/git/?p=wine.git;a=commit;h=0b17529332b0ef5ee57873afd4ded6f359e76781 H. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: WINE 0.9.5 and Photoshop 7 & CS
> Hi, > > I've found the patch that breaks the thing. GIT > commit-ish is > 0b17529332b0ef5ee57873afd4ded6f359e76781. > (http://source.winehq.org/git/?p=wine.git;a=commit;h=0b17529332b0ef5ee57873afd4ded6f359e76781). > > I haven't looked at it deeply, just done some git > bisect's. > > -- > Elvis Pranskevichus - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fantastic! Now, if somebody could fix this so we could get Photoshop 7 running on Wine again (broken since 0.9.3), we could close the loop on this issue. :) Thanks! Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Thank you! - Bug #3148 (Drag and drag behavior fixed)
Hi there, I don't know who fixed this, but "THANK YOU"! I'm trying out 0.9.2, and drag & drop behavior within explorer-like menus now work again; selections no longer "stick" infinitely. For those catching up, check out this bug: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3148 The behavior has slightly changed from before, but things work again, and that's what matters! * Previously: shift+select multiple files, release "shift", and then drag files to desired folder * Now: shift+select multiple files, drag files to desired folder, release "shift" Again, to the Secret Bug Fixer: THANK YOU! Hiji __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Reality check
--- Vitaliy Margolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you expect from poor open-source copy of it? > To help the Wine community realize that even though it is poor, it is stronger than it thinks. I truely see Wine as the David in the Goliath world of Microsoft - and Linux is the stone. (Or is Linux the David, and Wine the stone?) ;) Hiji __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
Re: Reality check
> Additionally, you might want to read this part of > the LICENSE file again: > > "This program is distributed in the hope that it > will be useful, but > WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied > warranty of > MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > See the GNU > Lesser General Public License for more details." Of course I'm familiar with that. I'm not saying anything at all about Wine's warranty. What I am talking about is about the general sense of responsibility. Money or not. Fixing what you broke is the right thing to do -- regardless of the disclaimer. And yet, presenting that disclaimer almost defeats the argument to pay for bug fixing; again, I could theoretically pay for development to fix a bug which could end up broken again in 3 months. > Nobody magically made it so that you *have* to > upgrade. Magic? No. Progress? Yes, I have to because of this. What do I mean? I have been using wine-20041201 until I upgraded to opensuse 10.0; the compile won't succeed now. Otherwise, I would have stuck with that old version. Now, take a different look on things and try to recall how often people tell users, "Why are you on such an old version of Wine? You should be using a newer version." > If you made it > work before, then it's possible to make it work > again, isn't it? If you > forgot what combination of software worked, is that > really my problem? I think you're steering far away from the point I was making about responsibility. ;) Far FAAAR away. I don't screw around with DLL overrides (perhaps just for experimenting), and I don't even use wine-tools. If something breaks, it's definately not because I can't remember a combination of hacks I did - simply because, I didn't do this. > Now if somebody changes something in an attempt to > improve things, and > you want their improvements, and you want your old > applications to work, > then you want something from them, don't you? In the context of this example and referring to what I'm getting at, you get one improvement, but in return, something else gets broken. That just doesn't seem right. It's like the little kid who makes breakfast for mom & dad, but in the process, makes a mess of the kitchen (that mom & dad end up having to clean up anyways). And really, in the grand scheme of things, I'm not writing all of this because of what *I* want for myself. I'm writing this because I really DO care about Wine, I'm a big supporter of it, and I want it to succeed ... I'm hoping that this will cause some light bulbs to turn on and bring some realizations to light. You guys are probably sitting on the most valuable API of this era, and it drives ABSOLUTELY nutz that many people here don't even realize this. And when people pop out these disclaimers as an excuse for not fixing things, it adds salt to the wounds. If I could get in there to code, I would do so, but I can't. And, all I can do from this corner of the ring is cheer on Wine and bring to the table non-technical issues which clearly get in the way of its progression. Peace & Love for Wine!! :) Hiji __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Reality check
--- Lionel Ulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2005 at 09:50:48AM -0700, Hiji > wrote: > > However, there is a more fundamental problem here. > I > > don't see "bugs" in a black vs. white type of > view; in > > fact, I can classify bugs in two ways: > > 1) A bug is something that has always been broken > > 2) A bug is something that is broken, but it once > > worked > > This is still too 'white and black'. What about a > patch that fixes 1) and in > the process introduces 2) (case in point the WM > rewrite and windowed GL > applications) ? I think that still falls into #2, and that's pretty much my point. Analogy: I need an oil change. I take my car to the car shop. They do the oil change. They also return my car with a flat tire that it didn't have before. I know it could be an accident, but the responsible thing to do is for the car shop to fix that flat tire. Besides, without this type of "responsibility" in place, I could theoretically pay a developer to fix a bug for me, and then, 3 months down the line, some other developer breaks it. What do I do then? Pay money again to have someone refix it? Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Reality check
> 3. Ask nicely
This is key, and I completely agree.
However, there is a more fundamental problem here. I
don't see "bugs" in a black vs. white type of view; in
fact, I can classify bugs in two ways:
1) A bug is something that has always been broken
2) A bug is something that is broken, but it once
worked
When it comes to #1, I say, "Yes, ask nicely.
Hopefully, someone will step up to fix it. If you
need to, pay someone to fix it."
When it comes to #2, I say, "Explain nicely. You
broke something which once worked; you caused this
bug. Fix it. It's the right thing to do. Don't
expect to get paid for something you broke."
And of my biggest concerns about the growth of Wine,
it's always been about #2. First, it was Photoshop7
which worked perfectly (and from what I understand,
Disney poured money into getting this to work), but
then someone broke its ability to run for close to a
year; no one stepped up to fix what got broken.
("Success" popup window, anyone?) Now, it's about bug
3148 which magically showed up after December of 2004;
aside from Vitaliy who was kind enough to look into
it, no one has stepped up to say, "whoops! Sorry, I
seem to have broken that by accident. I will try to
get that fixed." Even something as simple as an
acknowledgement will help ease the situation.
Do I want to pay someone to fix something that they
broke? Absolutely not. That's like having someone
say, "I will wash your house windows for free." You
say, "ok." Then, they break your windows by accident,
won't fix them, and then say, "If you want, you can
pay me to fix your windows."
Is it is the right and responsible thing to do for
someone to step up and fix bugs that they cause?
Absolutely yes. Open source or not. Absolutely yes.
Hiji
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Re: Ping
I just got it too. Hiji --- Kuba Ober <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 12 October 2005 14:29, Daniel wrote: > > Is there anyone that actually receives my mails? > > I do :) > > Kuba > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Wine] Re: Can you reproduce this bug on wine-20050930 like me?
--- Jonathan Ernst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 9:00:49 PM, Hiji > wrote: > > > > Can you reproduce this bug? Follow these > steps: > > > > 1. Install Filezilla: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla_2_2_16_setup.exe?download > > > > 2. FTP into the server of your choice > > > > 3. Click and drag files from the server to > your > > > local > > > > machine (to copy them) > > > > 4. Realize now that even though the files have > > > been > > > > copied to your machine, you are still dragging > the > > > > files around > > DVD Shrink exibits the same issue. > > Thanks > -- > Jonathan Ernst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It looks like this bug is more serious than most thought. Thanks for chipping in! Do you think you could also add your comments to http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3148 Can anybody else help out? I know Vitaliy tried fixing it, but found out that the work required possibly wouldn't be allowed into the .9 release. Hiji __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
Re: Can you reproduce this bug on wine-20050930 like me?
--- Vitaliy Margolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tuesday, October 11, 2005, 9:00:49 PM, Hiji wrote: > > Can you reproduce this bug? Follow these steps: > > 1. Install Filezilla: > > > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla_2_2_16_setup.exe?download > > 2. FTP into the server of your choice > > 3. Click and drag files from the server to your > local > > machine (to copy them) > > 4. Realize now that even though the files have > been > > copied to your machine, you are still dragging the > > files around > > If you can replicate this serious bug, can you fix > it? > > Hiji > > P.S. This is for bug 3148, and I have been able > to > > reproduce it on both Filezilla and AbsoluteFTP > > Yes this is a bug in list view. I've looked into it > several days ago. > Unfortunately there is no easy fix for it. Wine's > DragDetect does not work the > same way as it does on windows. When I tried to fix > it, it completely broke > drag&drop for list view. I didn't want to go to far > with fixing it as it surely > would of been big changes and not acceptable ATM > until after 0.9 release. > > All I managed to fix was single click dragging that > used to start as soon as you > clicked on anything. > > Vitaliy Hi Vitaliy, Thanks for looking into this. Good to see that I'm not going crazy!!! Would it help to compare against the code in wine-20041201 where this bug wasn't present? In my opinion, this type of bug is a show-stopper. What good is dragging and dropping if this "stickiness" occurs? Anybody else care to chime in? Thanks again! Hiji __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/
Can you reproduce this bug on wine-20050930 like me?
Can you reproduce this bug? Follow these steps: 1. Install Filezilla: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/filezilla/FileZilla_2_2_16_setup.exe?download 2. FTP into the server of your choice 3. Click and drag files from the server to your local machine (to copy them) 4. Realize now that even though the files have been copied to your machine, you are still dragging the files around If you can replicate this serious bug, can you fix it? Hiji P.S. This is for bug 3148, and I have been able to reproduce it on both Filezilla and AbsoluteFTP __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Bug 3148] Mouse: multi-file "selection" & drag behavior broken
What do I do? I'm still seeing the same mouse misbehaviors in wine-20050930 as I have been seeing for the last few months. Vitaly, any idea whats going on? I'd be willing to email the app to anyone who is can help fix this. That way, you can compare this UI regression against that of wine-20041212. (It has a 30 day trial; so, there's no illegal stuff going on here.) Hiji __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Suggestions for improvement of the emulator
--- Alexandre Julliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hiji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > As a user, I've been particularly happy about how > Wine > > has progressed. However, what is of GRAVE concern > to > > me is when patches that fix serious bugs aren't > > applied; specifically, bug 3148. Even the patch > > submitter had to plead with this alias for someone > to > > listen because no one was paying attention to the > > patch. Yet, to date, the patch has either not > been > > applied nor the bug been fixed. Simple, yet > silly, > > bugs like the beforementioned one can keep users > from > > taking advantage of newer versions of Wine because > > they prefer to stay with older versions that don't > > have the bug(s). > > That patch was applied 2 weeks ago. > Great! Thanks for acknowledging this. I'll wait for the September release because the August release produced the same bug(s). Thank you, Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Suggestions for improvement of the emulator
--- Dmitry Timoshkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Hiji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As a user, I've been particularly happy about how > Wine > > has progressed. However, what is of GRAVE concern > to > > me is when patches that fix serious bugs aren't > > applied; specifically, bug 3148. Even the patch > > submitter had to plead with this alias for someone > to > > listen because no one was paying attention to the > > patch. Yet, to date, the patch has either not > been > > applied nor the bug been fixed. > > Do you or the author of the patch know why the patch > has not been > accepted? Did you or he ask about the reason? If the > patch was > rejected because it's wrong or of a poor quality, > Wine CVS with > multiple committers would not solve this particular > problem. I don't want to speak for the author directly, but last I checked, no one would even acknowledge that the patch was submitted - so it didn't even reach the rejection or acceptance point. The sad part is that the patch that created the bug was accepted, but after realizing the error of the first patch, the author tried to submit a second patch to fix his first error. Thus, that leads us to where we are at now. This is my understanding of the situation. Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Suggestions for improvement of the emulator
> [...] > > I suspect the current model is either at or near > its limits. It would > > certainly not cope with a significant number of > commercial outfits putting in > > a serious level of contribution, nor does it > encourage them to make the > > attempt. > > I can assure you that there are many more important > factors that might > dissuade a company from getting involved in Wine > besides 'it's hard to > get patches committed'. As a user, I've been particularly happy about how Wine has progressed. However, what is of GRAVE concern to me is when patches that fix serious bugs aren't applied; specifically, bug 3148. Even the patch submitter had to plead with this alias for someone to listen because no one was paying attention to the patch. Yet, to date, the patch has either not been applied nor the bug been fixed. Simple, yet silly, bugs like the beforementioned one can keep users from taking advantage of newer versions of Wine because they prefer to stay with older versions that don't have the bug(s). Food for thought... Hiji __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
Re: DirectX status update....
--- James Liggett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is some excellent news! Kudos and keep up the > great work :) > > James I agree. This is freakin' awesome! Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Suggestions for improvement of the emulator
> Firstly, Wine is not an emulator, it it a binary > loader and an > implementation of the Win32 API. Bingo. It irritates me when people call Wine an emulator. ALEX, did you know that Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator"?? Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Bug 3148] Mouse: multi-file "selection" & drag behavior broken
--- Vitaly Lipatov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ÷ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÉ ÏÔ 24 á×ÇÕÓÔ 2005 22:14 ÷Ù ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌÉ: > > If Vitaly is busy and won't object, I can resync > his changes to the > > current CVS and send a patch from his name. > Well, I resent my patch again to wine-devel... > And the bug lives on in wine-20050830. Is this something I should not hope on ever getting fixed or having the patch merged into the tree? I think this is a REALLY serious bug. What good is Wine if mouse behavior is broken? :( Hiji Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Wine]Softlinking to a dvd-drive with inconsistent mount points? => HAL-Support
> Thanks for the link to the xml hack, it may come in > useful one day. Glad I could help; here are my comments to this thread in wine-users: "It might be the ugly way, but it is the official way. This is definately *not* a Wine issue because it affects any application which relies on have a static name for the drive - let's make sure we're clear on that. ;) I suspect this "mounting by volume label" won't last past Suse 9.3 since I haven't read anyone praise this "feature" anywhere." Have a great day! :) Hiji Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Bug 3148] Mouse: multi-file "selection" & drag behavior broken
--- Saulius Krasuckas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Hiji wrote: > > --- Vitaly Lipatov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, Can you pay attention to this patch? It > really fixes the problem > > > but not discussed in the list and not applied: > > > > > http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-patches/2005/08/0018.html > > > > WOOHOO! This fixes "half" the problem with > Bug3148. > > Once I applied the patch, I no longer had the > problem > > with the effect of the mouse button being > continously > > pressed once I clicked on something. > ... > > So, can someone listen (pay attention) to Vitaly > and > > apply the patch so at least this bug can get > half-way > > fixed??? > > The patch has 2 points to change (I am afraid): > > a, header of its first section refers to > "sysparams.c" and >"dlls/user/sysparams.c", which makes patcher to > not find needed file >(dlls/user/tests/sysparams.c). >Command "cvs diff -pu dlls/user/" would do the > job. :-P > > b, first hunk of the second section > (dlls/user/sysparams.c) is already >in the tree, so it fails too. Ok, I had applied it to the July release, but if some changes are already in the tree, then that's good news. Vitaly, any thoughts on this? Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Bug 3148] Mouse: multi-file "selection" & drag behavior broken
--- Vitaly Lipatov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, Can you pay attention to this patch? It really fixes > the problem but not > discussed in the list and not applied: > http://www.winehq.com/hypermail/wine-patches/2005/08/0018.html WOOHOO! This fixes "half" the problem with Bug3148. Once I applied the patch, I no longer had the problem with the effect of the mouse button being continously pressed once I clicked on something. However, one problem still remains. If I select 3 items (shift + click from start item to finish item), and I click with the left-mouse, my selection is lost as now only 1 item is selected (the one I clicked on). However, if I right-click, my selection isn't lost. It seems what *should* happen is the following: 1. you make your selection in a listview (2+ items) by using the shiftkey + left-mouse button 2. let go of shiftkey and items are still selected 3. click on one of the highlighted items 4. selection remains intact 5. drag-drop as you wish However, things seem to go amiss at step 3. I can somewhat retain the selection if I keep the shift-key pressed throughout the process -- which is not the norm as I should let go at step 2.. So, can someone listen (pay attention) to Vitaly and apply the patch so at least this bug can get half-way fixed??? Thanks! Hiji --- Hiji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anybody on this list make any changes to > listview > > or > > > treeview in the last few months? > > I wouldn't even find it hard to believe that they > > already forgot about it... > > > > If you want hard, definitive data, then I I cannot > > find any reason why you > > wouldn't want to look at ChangeLog... > > > How about this: I didn't know about ChangeLog! LOL! > > I'm looking through it now... ;) > > Thanks! > Hiji > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Linuxworld - meeting the guys at the Codeweavers booth
Hi all! I just got back from Linuxworld, and fortunately, I found the Codeweavers booth! I had the pleasure of meeting both Aric Stewart and Rob Shearman (hope I spelled your names right!); I wanted to meet Jeremy too, but I was told that he was off at meetings. In any case, both Rob and Aric were very polite, intelligent and full of humor! From the booth, I walked away with a CrossOver Office demo disc, some Wine accessories (wine, as in the type you drink), and some, ahem... Codeweavers prophylactics to protect against Windows viruses, trojans, etc. LOL! Anyhow, I know this isn't exactly development related, but I thought I'd share my experience with you all! :) Those Codeweavers guys rock! Hijinio Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Bug 3148] Mouse: multi-file "selection" & drag behavior broken
> > Anybody on this list make any changes to listview > or > > treeview in the last few months? > I wouldn't even find it hard to believe that they > already forgot about it... > > If you want hard, definitive data, then I I cannot > find any reason why you > wouldn't want to look at ChangeLog... > How about this: I didn't know about ChangeLog! LOL! I'm looking through it now... ;) Thanks! Hiji Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Bug 3148] Mouse: multi-file "selection" & drag behavior broken
Looks like someone else is having this problem. I've tried looking at listview.c and the treeview equivalent as well, but I can't made heads or tails of it. I have no experience with C. Anybody on this list make any changes to listview or treeview in the last few months? Hiji > --- Additional Comments From > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2005-04-08 23:58 --- > About the same problem with AceFTP > > Free download for trial > http://software.visicommedia.com/en/products/aceftpfreeware/ > > wine-20050524-1fc1winehq > > Problem starts before I do the FTP thing. > When I drag a file within the local pane(a > listview), > a copy of that file is immediately created. But > things > don't stop there. The moment I move the mouse a bit, > AceFTP asks me with a popup menu if want to: > Move to current location > Copy to current location or > Create a short > If I choose to copy, ANOTHER copy of the file is > created. > After that, every time I move the mouse, > AceFTP asks me again, thus an infinite loop > and infinite number of copies of the same file. > > BTW. I have to use native shell related dlls for > AceFTP to > display the local pane. So I suspect the problem is > with > the interaction between native and builtin code. > > I hope my English is good enough for me to make some > sense... > > -- > Configure bugmail: > http://bugs.winehq.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email > --- You are receiving this mail because: --- > You reported the bug, or are watching the reporter. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: bugs #3148 - Still in wine-20050725
--- Andreas Mohr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 02:31:58PM -0700, Hiji > wrote: > > Can anyone help out with this bug? It's still in > > existence in the July Wine release. > OK, I've added a comment. > > Andreas Mohr > Thanks for taking the time to look into this. Basically, problems start the very moment I "left-click" within a list view of a windows explorer-like menu (left pane is tree, and the right pane is the list). I'm searching through the code to find references of WM_LBUTTONDOWN , but they are everywhere! So, it may take awhile for me to figure out where things changed... If anybody else has any ideas, please chip in. Somebody here *must* have been trying to make some changes with WM_LBUTTONDOWN, so I was hoping this bug would ring a bell for them. Hiji Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
bugs #3148 - Still in wine-20050725
Can anyone help out with this bug? It's still in existence in the July Wine release. Basically, I select 3 files, and I click on the highlighted files to try to drag all 3. However, as soon as I click on them, they deselect, and one file is now selected. If I attempt to click+drag the one file, it gets stuck on the click+drag -- that is, I let get go of the mouse button and the highlighted file is still attached to the mouse arrow. Help! I want to use the latest Wine, but it's useless to me if I can't get proper mouse behavior. :S (I'm still stuck on wine-20041201 otherwise.) Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Installer hangs with no output :S
I'm trying out this month's release. I'm trying to install AbsoluteFTP which previous installed fine, but now I try to install, the install shield begins, but just sits there. There's not even any output... How can I get something together to report to you guys? Hijinio Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Celebrating some hard work
> Thus, I am now making good on my promise to > lock Rob and Aric in a room and make installers go. > > So, if you have an app that doesn't install, post a > message > to wine-devel, and let's see if we can't make some > lemonade > and have a party! Celebration time!!! :) :) This is good news to my eyes... Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: stdole2.tlb
--- Ivan Gyurdiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > By the same logic, you must make sure Windows is > installed. > > This is a developers list and Ivan is saying (and > I hope I interpreted > > this right) that the only thing blocking him from > installing GTA: San > > Andreas out of the box is a missing stdole2. > > I don't know if it's the only thing..but it's the > first one, so > I can't proceed further. I was interested if GTA > would run with > the new d3d additions. > > > Ivan, I believe the status was that a similar > enough stdole2 cannot be > > generated using widl without some extensions. > > There are two options: > > 1. Generate the file manually by invoking > ICreateTypeLib2 functions (I > > believe Microsoft do it this way). > > 2. Add another mode to widl that allows the > necessary forward references > > in idl files. Huw Davies knows more about this > problem. > > I'm not sure how helpful I can be - just wanted to > be informed, > and to bring some attention to the problem - thanks > for the update. > I believe this is related to the work that Jeremy W. and co. are working on. That is, they are working on getting the installer fully functional. I had a similar issue installing Flash MX as it needed stdole32.tlb, but after December's release, I could not use a native version. So, the best thing to do is to hang in there and wait for that installer to get done. Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Black Boxes on Apps
--- Hiji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Reading tonight through some of the old CXOffice > threads, I noticed some people were having issues > running apps likes Illustrator because the panel > buttons would be black. This is the same thing that > happens on ImageReady. I also saw this: > http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/browse/name?app_id=369;issues=1 > > The only "apparent" way to fix this is to change > your > XF86Config file so the screen depth is 16 and not > 24. > Is there a way around this since (I'm guessing) apps > which run fine at 16bit (like Photoshop) do not have > this issue. I'm assuming Adobe products carry a lot > of the same codebase. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks again, > Hiji Correction: screen depth should be 24 and not 16. (The opposite of what I mentioned above.) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Black Boxes on Apps
Reading tonight through some of the old CXOffice threads, I noticed some people were having issues running apps likes Illustrator because the panel buttons would be black. This is the same thing that happens on ImageReady. I also saw this: http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/browse/name?app_id=369;issues=1 The only "apparent" way to fix this is to change your XF86Config file so the screen depth is 16 and not 24. Is there a way around this since (I'm guessing) apps which run fine at 16bit (like Photoshop) do not have this issue. I'm assuming Adobe products carry a lot of the same codebase. Any ideas? Thanks again, Hiji Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Wierd multi-file "selection" & mouse drag behavior
Trying out both June's and May's release of Wine, I noticed that there is some wierd behavior when selecting multiple files and dragging within an application. It basically makes the ability to select and drag files unusable. In my case, I am using AbsoluteFTP; as you guessed, its an FTP app. If you can imagine, within it, there are two windows that look like the file Explorer on Windows. On the left, is the local machine and the right is the box you've FTPed into. On wine-20041201, I can hold down shift and select >2 files on the remote box. Then using my mouse, drag them to my localbox. On (at least), these last two releases, I select multiple-files, and the moment I try to drag, the multi-select turns into a one file select. Furthermore, the app enters into a state where it thinks I am holding the mouse down dragging the one file around. Minimizing and maximizng the app doesn't work either; in previous versions, when I couldn't drag a file from one window to the other, I'd minimize/ maximize the app (which would "reset" things), and I could drag files once again. Also, on my CodeWright application, I can no longer highlight text by dragging the mouse across code. Any ideas? I'm sure it will ring a bell for someone who may have been working towards improving the mouse dragging capabilities. Thanks! Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Installer: How is the progress coming along?
Fantastic! Thank for you for the prompt update/ response. :) Hiji --- Jeremy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm the one that promised to lock Rob and Aric > in a room; and I intend to stick to that promise. > But give me one week; we're planning on launching > a program around it, and we're still ironing out > the kinks. > > Cheers, > > Jeremy > > > Hiji wrote: > > How are things coming along with the application > > installer? I remember at one point reading that > > "person A" was going to lock "person B" in some > room > > until work on it was completed. >:) > > > > Right now, many us wine users can't install a lot > of > > apps on newer versions of Wine. So, either we're > > stuck on an earlier version of Wine, or we have to > do > > wacky things like install an app on an old version > and > > then move the install files to a newer version. > (The > > latter only works in some instances like Flash > MX.) > > Certain workarounds we used in the past for > installing > > apps don't work with the current state of the > > installer; i.e. utilizing stdole32.tlb > > > > I want to get an idea of how long I/ we need to > hold > > my breath for. :) > > > > Thanks! > > Hiji > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Installer: How is the progress coming along?
How are things coming along with the application installer? I remember at one point reading that "person A" was going to lock "person B" in some room until work on it was completed. >:) Right now, many us wine users can't install a lot of apps on newer versions of Wine. So, either we're stuck on an earlier version of Wine, or we have to do wacky things like install an app on an old version and then move the install files to a newer version. (The latter only works in some instances like Flash MX.) Certain workarounds we used in the past for installing apps don't work with the current state of the installer; i.e. utilizing stdole32.tlb I want to get an idea of how long I/ we need to hold my breath for. :) Thanks! Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Wine]june 2005 release and 'registry' ?
--- Dan Sawyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I am testing with the wine 2005 release. The release > notes state config > file control has been moved to the registry and that > winecfg is active. > winecfg does not seem to recognize dll overrides. > Has anyone else seen > this? If so were you able to work around it? > > Thanks, > Dan I'd be interested to know as well! I could not find how to do DLL overrides with winecfg. I believe that some portions of the config file will still work, but I didn't know what parts were referred to. I'm adding the wine-devel alias to this email; maybe someone there can help. How are DLL overrides done in winecfg? Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Get FireFox button ?
I think the bottom line is this: * Even though many of us are huge Firefox fans (me included), promoting only Firefox on the Wine home page is counter-productive simply because one of the appealing (and marketable) aspects of Wine is that it can run I.E. ;) I think the Wine sites are perhaps the only exception I can think of where promoting Firefox wouldn't necessarily fit. Hiji Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: Wine and raw printing
> --- Marcelo Duarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hiji escreveu: > > > > >I'll join, and add this. I'm on Suse 9.2 Pro, > > >wine-20041203, and the only printers I have are > on > > the > > >network. I can print fine through any native > linux > > >apps, but if I try to print through Wine, it says > > >there are no printers. > > > > > >Maybe the problems are related somehow? > > > > > >Hiji > > > > > > > > > > > I think that you need CUPS instaled, and if you > > build wine from sources, > > you need cups-devel. > > Ah, I'm seeing that libgnomecups-devel is not > installed (I don't see a cups-devel). I will > install > that and give the recompile a go! :) > > Thanks! > Hiji > Installing libgnomecups-devel didn't work; so, I had to "google for" a cups-devel binary. (Really, I don't know why my Suse 9.2 didn't offer it.) So, installing it, and recompiling DID THE TRICK! :) Thank you! Hiji Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Re: Wine and raw printing
--- Marcelo Duarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hiji escreveu: > > >I'll join, and add this. I'm on Suse 9.2 Pro, > >wine-20041203, and the only printers I have are on > the > >network. I can print fine through any native linux > >apps, but if I try to print through Wine, it says > >there are no printers. > > > >Maybe the problems are related somehow? > > > >Hiji > > > > > > > I think that you need CUPS instaled, and if you > build wine from sources, > you need cups-devel. Ah, I'm seeing that libgnomecups-devel is not installed (I don't see a cups-devel). I will install that and give the recompile a go! :) Thanks! Hiji Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
Re: Wine and raw printing
--- André Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I posted the same message on wine-user list , but > got no help. > > Hi, > > I was wondering if someone could help me on this > issue. > > I use a windows program that print direct to the > printer, but it uses > the printer from the printer list, it doesn't use > the port directly. > > On Windows, to use the program I have to install a > "Generic / Only Text" > printer to work. > > The program runs on wine without problems. The only > problem is to print. > > I created a raw printer in CUPS, but when I select > the printer in the > program, wine still uses the WinePS driver and > generate a PS, giving me > an error on the printer, of course. > > I tried to install a driver tty.drv on wine but > couldn't get it to work. > > Is there a way to disable WinePS ? or another way to > get the program to > print ? > > Thanks > > Andre Carvalho I'll join, and add this. I'm on Suse 9.2 Pro, wine-20041203, and the only printers I have are on the network. I can print fine through any native linux apps, but if I try to print through Wine, it says there are no printers. Maybe the problems are related somehow? Hiji __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/
Re: Wine on Sparc
As an end-user, I'd find any screenshots of notepad running amazing. :) Got any? Hiji --- Eric Frias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chuck Hall wrote: > > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Eric Frias wrote: > >>I'll be trying to get the current wine running > this afternoon; I'll post > >>something when it's working. > > > > I look forward to hearing how this turns out. > > It actually went more smoothly than I expected. > I've attached a patch > with the minimal changes I needed to get 'notepad' > running. As you can > see, I disabled winedbg, oleaut32, and dbghelp > because they are missing > some assembly bits, and they aren't strictly > necessary for most winelib > applications. I haven't tried compiling or running > anything big with > this, so it may be missing a few patches... but it's > a start. > > Eric > > Index: programs/Makefile.in > === > --- programs/Makefile.in (revision 30735) > +++ programs/Makefile.in (working copy) > @@ -27,7 +27,6 @@ > winebrowser \ > winecfg \ > wineconsole \ > - winedbg \ > winefile \ > winemenubuilder \ > winemine \ > @@ -58,7 +57,6 @@ > winebrowser \ > winecfg \ > wineconsole \ > - winedbg \ > winefile \ > winemenubuilder \ > winemine \ > @@ -81,7 +79,6 @@ > winebrowser \ > winecfg \ > wineconsole \ > - winedbg \ > winefile \ > winemine \ > winepath \ > @@ -112,7 +109,6 @@ > winebrowser.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > winecfg.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > wineconsole.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > - winedbg.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > winefile.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > winemenubuilder.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > winemine.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > Index: programs/winetest/Makefile.in > === > --- programs/winetest/Makefile.in (revision 30735) > +++ programs/winetest/Makefile.in (working copy) > @@ -39,7 +39,6 @@ > netapi32_test.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > ntdll_test.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > ole32_test.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > - oleaut32_test.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > psapi_test.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > quartz_test.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > rpcrt4_test.exe$(DLLEXT) \ > Index: dlls/ntdll/signal_sparc.c > === > --- dlls/ntdll/signal_sparc.c (revision 30735) > +++ dlls/ntdll/signal_sparc.c (working copy) > @@ -388,7 +388,7 @@ > > /* wait with 0 timeout, will only return once > the thread is no longer suspended */ > timeout.QuadPart = 0; > -NTDLL_wait_for_multiple_objects( 0, NULL, 0, > &timeout ); > +NTDLL_wait_for_multiple_objects( 0, NULL, 0, > &timeout, 0 ); > } > > > Index: dlls/ole32/storage32.c > === > --- dlls/ole32/storage32.c(revision 30735) > +++ dlls/ole32/storage32.c(working copy) > @@ -4130,8 +4130,8 @@ > ULARGE_INTEGER tmp; > > memcpy(&tmp, buffer + offset, > sizeof(ULARGE_INTEGER)); > -value->LowPart = htole32(tmp.HighPart); > -value->HighPart = htole32(tmp.LowPart); > +value->u.LowPart = htole32(tmp.u.HighPart); > +value->u.HighPart = htole32(tmp.u.LowPart); > #else > memcpy(value, buffer + offset, > sizeof(ULARGE_INTEGER)); > #endif > @@ -4143,8 +4143,8 @@ > #ifdef WORDS_BIGENDIAN > ULARGE_INTEGER tmp; > > -tmp.LowPart = htole32(value->HighPart); > -tmp.HighPart = htole32(value->LowPart); > +tmp.u.LowPart = htole32(value->u.HighPart); > +tmp.u.HighPart = htole32(value->u.LowPart); > memcpy(buffer + offset, &tmp, > sizeof(ULARGE_INTEGER)); > #else > memcpy(buffer + offset, value, > sizeof(ULARGE_INTEGER)); > Index: dlls/Makefile.in > === > --- dlls/Makefile.in (revision 30735) > +++ dlls/Makefile.in (working copy) > @@ -36,7 +36,6 @@ > d3dim \ > d3drm \ > d3dxof \ > - dbghelp \ > dciman32 \ > devenum \ > dinput \ > @@ -100,7 +99,6 @@ > odbccp32 \ > ole32 \ > oleacc \ > - oleaut32 \ > olecli \ > oledlg \ > olepro32 \ > @@ -270,7 +268,6 @@ > d3dim.dll.so \ > d3drm.dll.so \ > d3dxof.dll.so \ > - dbghelp.dll.so \ > dciman32.dll.so \ > devenum.dll.so \ > dinput.dll.so \ > @@ -346,7 +343,6
Re: APPDB: Half-Life and Counter-Strike with WINE
--- "David F. Colwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hiji et al, > > Couldn't find Half-Life or Counter-Strike in the DB > yet they returned... > > Submitted version rejected > --- > The version you submitted ( 1.0.0.0) has been > rejected.This application is already in the > database. If you are interested in helping out with > the howto please sign up to be a maintainer of the > application. Thanks. > We appreciate your help in making the Version > Database better for all users. > > Best regards. > The AppDB team > http://www.winehq.org/ > > > I did my part. :-) > On Monday 09 May 2005 7:40 pm, Hiji wrote: > > Any ideas? (I'm forwarding the message, so, it > > defaults to showing below my message. Sorry!) :( --- Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I plugged 'half-life' into the search box and got: > > http://appdb.winehq.org/search.php?q=half-life > > Looks like its working here. What did you search > for? > > I just added 'halflife' as a keyword to the > half-life application so searching > for 'halflife' also returns the appropriate results. > > Chris I found it too, but I believe the problem was that he was trying to add a specific version (1.0.0.0), and he got the error. The versions I see on there are 1.1.0.8 and 1.1.1.0 David, can you elaborate for us? Hiji Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
APPDB: Half-Life and Counter-Strike with WINE
Any ideas? (I'm forwarding the message, so, it defaults to showing below my message. Sorry!) :( Note: forwarded message attached. __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail --- Begin Message --- Hiji et al, Couldn't find Half-Life or Counter-Strike in the DB yet they returned... Submitted version rejected --- The version you submitted ( 1.0.0.0) has been rejected.This application is already in the database. If you are interested in helping out with the howto please sign up to be a maintainer of the application. Thanks. We appreciate your help in making the Version Database better for all users. Best regards. The AppDB team http://www.winehq.org/ I did my part. :-) ___ wine-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users --- End Message ---
Re: DirectX 9 patches
FREAKIN' AMAZING! Seeing those screenshots in a Linux environment are jaw-dropping. :) Hiji --- Oliver Stieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I've put an updated patch and some new screeshost on > sourceforge for the time being > http://directxwine.sourceforge.net/, I'm now at the > point where I'm happy to stop fixing bugs in DirectX > 9 > and start sending in more patches.. > > Thanks for evertyone help and support. > Oliver. > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: USB status ...Who maintains wineserver?
> If you want to get a scanner going, the best way > would be to make it > work with SANE or V4L, and then get SANE or V4L to > work with Wine's > still imaging interface. > > Have a look at the work that Maarten Lankhorst is > doing on Web cameras > ... he's doing things the right way. > > If you still want to loader the Windows driver, go > and have a look at > ndis wrapper. http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ Conceptually, I think a combination of two solutions would be the best solution. * The first is obvious: bridge the gap between Wine and the existing support (SANE, V4L, ALSA, etc.) This way, you don't reinvent the wheel and use what's in existence. * The second is not-so-obvious, but crucial: load the Windows driver in a way that is similar to NdisWrapper or DriverLoader (where those items are modules that wrap around the Windows driver [I think!]). Why is this important? Because the reality is that beyond the generic USB hardware (scanner, webcam, mouse, etc.), there won't be a Linux equivalent driver for a specialized piece of hardware (Guitarport, DVC100, MP3 Player, etc.) Of course, this is "easier said than done", but I think its a good starting point for the ambitious. . . Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: DirectX 9
--- Tom Wickline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/26/05, Oliver Stieber > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've been moving house over the past couple of > weeks > > which is why I dropped off the face of the earth > for a > > while. > > > > Between moving I've managed to get a lot more > DirectX > > 9 work done, Roller coster tycoon, Warhammer 40K, > > tenage mutat ninja turtles and the increadables > are > > now the same under WINE as Windows. Evil genius, > Kohan > > 2 and Axis and Allies have a few graphics problems > but > > are still playable and colin McRea raley 2004 now > > plays ok, but there are lot of graphics issues. i > > expect Settlers Heritige of the King and Myst 4 > will > > work but I haven't been able to test since I lost > the > > demo disk. hopefully the problems with Halflife2 > and > > world of warcraft are fixed, but again I don't > have > > coppies to test. > > > > There was some funds in the "Wine Party Fund" that > Jeremy offered others > to purchase games for dev/testing. So you may want > to contact Jeremy about this. > > Tom Also, FYI: http://half.ebay.com and the amazon.com marketplace (used) usually have pretty good deals on games! :) Also, if you're in the U.S., Target's clearance endrack has good deals too. (I bought Spiderman, Catwoman, and The Hobbit for about $5 USD each!) Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: USB status ...
> > --- Lars Segerlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > What is the status of wines USB support ? > > > Is there anything done yet or am I on my own ? > > > Can someone also giva a hint on the > feasibiliyt, > > > complexity of managing a USB > > > implementation for wine ? I am rather good at > > linux > > > device drivers and such. > > > / regards, Lars Segerlund. > > There's not much I can say in the way of > > development, > > but as a user, getting USB support (beyond what's > > supported in the kernel) would be a HUGE leap of > > improvement for Wine. I think others have said > > before > > that there are a lot of apps out there that will > run > > on Wine, but are useless because they depend on > > their > > hardware counterpart. (In the music world, > > Guitarport > > comes to mind.) > > > > Hiji > I have proposed several possible solutions for using > USB under Linux. In fact, I have given 4 possible > ways > of doing it, one of which I have hacked up (and > gotten > to work, at least partially). > > If you're interested in the details, let me know, > and > I'll email you (or look at the "Wine device drivers > proposal" email in the Wine archives in the past > month > or so). > Phew, I thought I'd type a short reply! Interested > in > working on this? I can't do it all alone. > Damjan There's not much I can do other then try to encourage you and Lars to work together (as I'm not a C developer). Damjan, it sounds like you have already covered a lot of the groundwork through your research and understanding of the USB infrastructure (from both the Windows, Linux and Wine worlds). Lars, I see you have both the motivation and experience with Linux device drivers to work on Wine USB. To me, it sounds like a perfect match for you two to pair up and work on implementing additional USB functionality. I suppose the last piece missing is to consult the expert on the wineserver (as far as USB is concerned) to see if any changes would truely need to be made there. Who would that be? Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: USB status ...
--- Lars Segerlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What is the status of wines USB support ? > > I have an IDE for a developement board and I really > would like to flash it from > Linux, ( I don't have windows), and this uses USB > to talk to the board. > Is there anything done yet or am I on my own ? > > Can someone also giva a hint on the feasibiliyt, > complexity of managing a USB > implementation for wine ? I am rather good at linux > device drivers and such. > > / regards, Lars Segerlund. There's not much I can say in the way of development, but as a user, getting USB support (beyond what's supported in the kernel) would be a HUGE leap of improvement for Wine. I think others have said before that there are a lot of apps out there that will run on Wine, but are useless because they depend on their hardware counterpart. (In the music world, Guitarport comes to mind.) Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Wine FAQ removed from the doc tarballs
> I always find it annoying when I cannot go to > /usr/share/doc/ I suppose the other option is to provide all docs as a seperate package on a release basis (like any other package.) I could be wrong on this, but I don't think the docs are updated on a monthly basis. :) For example, a user could see that the newest Wine package released thus far is from March and the newest Wine docs package could be November of last year (arbitrary date). And if its only 23kb, it shouldn't be much of a problem for modem users; escpecially since it saves them from having to download an extra 23kb with every Wine release when they don't really need it. :) Hiji P.S. Looking at http://www.gimp.org/downloads/ , it looks like they are already doing something similar with their help files. They offer them as a seperate download. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
Re: Wine FAQ removed from the doc tarballs
--- "Dimitrie O. Paun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 02:04:08PM +0100, Francois > Gouget wrote: > > But I don't see any reason not to put it in > wine-doc-html.tar.gz or > > wine-doc-txt.tar.gz. The idea of these tar files > is so that one can get > > all the Wine documentation with just one download > and the FAQ is part of > > the documentation. > > Yes, but I can not possibly see why would anyone > want to download and > read the FAQ like this. A FAQ is essentially a Web > type of document, > best view and browsed on the Web. By including it in > those packages, > we just make them bigger for 99.99% of the users > that don't care > about the FAQ, and those users are probably the ones > that have most > bandwidth restrictions anyway. > > But I'm not totally against it being there, if > people feel strongly > that we must, I'll go with the flow. As a web developer (and Wine user), I feel inclined to believe that all major documentation should be removed from the source. A README file pointing the user to the web site for the latest documentation would be most efficient and beneficial. Basically, by doing this, users will begin realizing that if they want documentation, WineHQ is the place to go. In a sense, it is streamlining information. Not only does this reduce user confusion, but it also minimizes the propagation of old documentation which no one will have the power to update. By not consolidating the documentation resource, there will eventually be a certain percentage of the Wine userbase trying to follow outdated Wine documents. Hiji __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
Re: New wine user
--- "Jerry H. Menor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Wine is ronning just fine, and our program.exe is > working, I just want to > know if it is possible to create a shorcut of our > program on our desktop > so that a end user will just click the icon on the > desktop to run the > program.exe without typing on th text command "wine > program.exe". > > TYIA! > Jerry Hi Jerry, Yes, you can. On your Linux desktop, create a launcher with the "wine program.exe" command (there should be a field for such a thing). Also, for general Wine usage, [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be better suited for your needs. :) Hiji __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
Re: Dragon Naturally Speaking - working.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Good news and what looks like a first. > > Dragon Naturally Speaking 4 working under Wine. > === > > reqd riched32 and comdlg32 native from 98SE > > Gentoo Linux , 2.6.10-nitro4 kernel > wine-20050111 > > Fresh Wine installation > installed IE6 using sidenet > > Install Dragon from CD no major issues. > copy missing dll's > ran up Dragon , enter user name , setup sticks at > setting mike level but > exits cleanly. > > #wine gentrain.exe > > picks up user name , dictated training text . > > It saves the vocab/voix profiles the drops out with > 3 repeat errors but > the profile is safe > > #wine natspeak.exe > > Can now dictate in stand-alone mode as in windoze. > > I now need some help with the guts of Wine to see if > I can capture the > keystrokes output by Dragon and pipe it to another > Linux thread. > > Any suggestions on that? Yes! :) Document what you did to get it working at the http://appdb.winehq.com web site so it can get recorded. :) Hiji __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
Re: wine-user.pdf feedback
> In my case, though, combining a high IQ and being a > complete helpless > newbie to Linux, is a powerful combination that > produces questions out > of nowhere. In the chapter about installing and > un-installing, one small > detail got left out: "How does one KNOW whether wine > is installed, and > if so what version it is?" I'm sure it must sound > like typical newbie > crap questions to you, but to me it's a solid and > tangible one. Well, I > do know that I do have wine installed, because when > I installed Fedora > Core 2, I said "install everything". Besides, I > tried.. > "wine /mnt/C/windows/notepad.exe" and it worked > *snip* You're definately right; some of the documentation needs to be updated, improved, or more generally geared towards complete newbies. In all fairness, a little over a year ago, I was a complete Linux newbie, and Wine was the first application I ever installed (compiled from source) and ran on Linux. :) Of course, it took some reading of the documentation, and some educated guessing, but it was possible. In any case, I don't know who currently maintains the documentation, but you sound like you have some great ideas to contribute to it. I encourage you to get involved. :) Hijinio __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
Re: Wine, CrossOver wins LQ Members Choice awards 2004
> Hey, we won by a large margin! > > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=272137 > > Wine 293 42.59% > Crossover Office 139 20.20% > Cedega131 19.04% > VMware101 14.68% > Win4lin24 3.49% > > Good going chaps and chapettes! Nice also to see the > results are ranked > in rough order of "freeness" too. > > Let's see if we can win again in the 2005 voting :) > > thanks -mike Hey guys & gals, Congrats! As always, your work is amazing -- that alone is a reason to keep supporting Wine/ Crossover! I don't know what I'd do in the Linux world if your applications weren't in existence. Regards, Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PRESS: run windows viruses with wine ...
--- Mike Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 13:45 -0800, Hiji wrote: > > That said, the JDS does a lot of stuff for you. > By > > default, it automounts windows partitions so > basically > > anyone can write to them (root or not). In this > case, > > with this specific distro, a virus would have > write > > access to that partition. I don't mount anything, > the > > distro does... > > Yeah, but there's no point in exaggerating this. Is > it a technical > possibility with some setups? Yes. Have I ever heard > of it happening? > No. No exaggeration intended here; I understood this thread was following a hypothetical scenerios. My appologies. I was trying to raise awareness about a default entry-point on a specific distro. I was in the mindset that its better to share this information to not share it at all. Hiji __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: PRESS: run windows viruses with wine ...
--- Francois Gouget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Hiji wrote: > [...] > > Here's something to add into the mix... > > > > I'm not quite sure how other Linux distros work, > but > > Sun's JDS mounts any Windows partitions under > > /windows/[drive letter] . IIRC, Wine makes drive > Z > > the root. So, a virus theoretically could go > through > > each drive, eventually hit Z drive, and then from > > there, get to the Windows partitions -- that is, > if > > the partitions are Fat32, it can do damage. > > It seems you're just repeating what Mike Hearn said > and ignoring what he > and I said about non-root users not necessarily > having write access to > the Windows partition. It's a bit irritating because > that last part is > exactly what I was trying to pointing out. > Apparently I failed :-( > > Now you may have been confused by the fat32 thing. > But under Linux if > you mount a fat32 partition with all defaults then > only root can write > to it. If you want other users to have write to it, > then you have to > use the appropriate mount options to set the umask, > user and group just > right. > > Do man mount and look for uid, gid and umask in the > 'Mount options for > fat' section. No need to get irritated. I did read the posts, and was reconfirming the topic about Z drive. My appologies as I probably wasn't as clear as I should have been. So, let me elaborate. Sun's JDS R2 (based on a hybrid of Suse 8.1/8.2 -- essentially Suse SLEC) is marketed and created for the basic end-user. Essentially, someone who doesn't know anything about Linux, but needs the basics of an office setting: word processing, email client, browser, etc. That said, the JDS does a lot of stuff for you. By default, it automounts windows partitions so basically anyone can write to them (root or not). In this case, with this specific distro, a virus would have write access to that partition. I don't mount anything, the distro does... Not only that, chances are that a general JDS user out there in the real world wouldn't know where to start to change permissions ... much less know what "man" is. ;) Hope that helps! Hiji __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: PRESS: run windows viruses with wine ...
--- Francois Gouget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005, Mike Hearn wrote: > > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:29:08 -0600, Brad DeMorrow > wrote: > >> Many also seem to be worried that a virus under > wine could do damage to > >> their other partition with windows installed. I > tell them that without > >> an entry in Wine's configuration for that virtual > drive - any pure > >> windows application wouldn't even know that such > a drive existed. > > > > That's not quite right, some viruses just do a > recursive search for all PE > > EXE/DLL files. They will find a real Windows drive > eventually if it's > > mounted r/w as drive z: makes the whole system > available. > > Yes but that's an important point. As you are not > running as root, you > may not have write access to the files in that > Windows partition. And > thus it would be safe. > > Of course this depends on how your system is > configured but I know this > is how mine is configured and I don't think it is an > unusual setup (but > I don't have hard statistics to back it up so I may > be wrong). Here's something to add into the mix... I'm not quite sure how other Linux distros work, but Sun's JDS mounts any Windows partitions under /windows/[drive letter] . IIRC, Wine makes drive Z the root. So, a virus theoretically could go through each drive, eventually hit Z drive, and then from there, get to the Windows partitions -- that is, if the partitions are Fat32, it can do damage. Hiji __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: we just hit the 1 MB mark!!
--- Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > Looks as if we just hit the 1 MB mark in wine-cvs > commits > for the first time. :-) > > Tom > I don't know about you guys, but as end-user and advocate of Wine, this rings good news to me. It tells me more people are gaining interest and getting involved with the project! :) Congrats! Hiji __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: Palm OS Desktop & Wine
--- Ivan Leo Puoti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >About USB... Isn't it working (at minimum) with > >iTunes? > > > > > > > AFAIK USB isn't supported. > > Ivan. Referring to the following message: http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/2004/12/0091.html USB in iTunes is said to work "with a lot of fiddling about". Hiji __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com
Re: Palm OS Desktop & Wine
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hiji wrote: > > Ah, but my friend, in the Wine-Users alias we > > established that it should follow the trend of the > > thread. In this thread, I started the trend as a > > "top-post". > > > > So, I should ask you (in this specific thread), > > "Please don't bottom-post." hehehe. ;) > > > > About USB... Isn't it working (at minimum) with > > iTunes? > > That may be ok in wine users. But not so much wine > devel... PLEASE do _NOT_ top > post. > > You can do what you want. However aggravating the > developers when you are asking > for help is not a good way to start things off. Woah... Slow down there. Who's aggravating who, and who is starting things off? I'm not new here (I may lurk, but I do pop in), wasn't asking for help (I was answering another person's question), and a little humor never hurt anyone. ;) Honestly, when someone makes a big deal out of whether to "top post" or "bottom post", it makes no sense. (You might as well start nitpicking at how people do their grammar.) Two schools of thought and popularity exist for each methodology; you'll find an equal amount of people to backup each side. (To paraphrase what someone emailed me via the wine-users alias thread, "This argument happens at least once a year.") If you need to have people bottom-post... that's fine, and let them know kindly. If you've told them before, and they've forgot, then please remind them. But don't go off and get Terminator on them (I'm not speaking to you directly, but to the attitude in general about top/bottom posting.) :) I would understand if this thread was in the middle of a long bottom-posting discussion. But for Pete's sake, I answered someone's question, and here I am now having to defend myself because I didn't "bottom-posting". (How the heck does this happen? I thought I was on the wine-devel alias - not the alias for "Etiquette for Various Alias Cultures".) I can guarantee you that right now someone reading this thread is rolling their eyes because we are arguing over something which shouldn't have to be argued about. ;) Now, take a deep breath, and let out a few laughs to relax! Hiji __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: Palm OS Desktop & Wine
Ah, but my friend, in the Wine-Users alias we established that it should follow the trend of the thread. In this thread, I started the trend as a "top-post". So, I should ask you (in this specific thread), "Please don't bottom-post." hehehe. ;) About USB... Isn't it working (at minimum) with iTunes? Hiji --- Ivan Leo Puoti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think wine supports USB at all. And please > don't top post. > Hiji wrote: > > I've never done this, but thinking on a more > > fundamental level, USB isn't fully supported under > > Wine. So, I'm assuming your PDA relies on a USB > > connection. So, even if you got the application > to > > run, chances are, you couldn't sync with your > device. > > :S > > > > I could be wrong, but this is my understanding of > Wine > > & USB at the moment. __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo
Re: Palm OS Desktop & Wine
I've never done this, but thinking on a more fundamental level, USB isn't fully supported under Wine. So, I'm assuming your PDA relies on a USB connection. So, even if you got the application to run, chances are, you couldn't sync with your device. :S I could be wrong, but this is my understanding of Wine & USB at the moment. Hiji --- FyD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > I have a Tungsten E PDA and use K-pilot/J-pilot to > backup/restore/install > .pdb/.prc files with my linux box. No problem for > that. > => However, I would like to install a .pdf viewer on > my PDA and the files > provided for this installation are not .pdb/.prc > files but a Windows executable > file (AdobeReader305-PalmOS.exe). To install this > file, I need to install the > whole Palm Desktop CD under windows. > => Consequently, I thought to use Wine for that: I > compiled Wine_20041201 on my > linux box (RedHat 9.0), configured it with > 'winesetuptk' and run 'wine > /mnt/cdrom/autorun.exe' to install the whole Palm > Desktop CD for window. > > The installation seems to start ok & I get the > following error message: > [...] > fixme:ole:ITypeInfo_fnRelease destroy child objects > fixme:ole:ITypeInfo_fnRelease destroy child objects > fixme:powermgnt:SetThreadExecutionState > (0x8000): stub, harmless. > Please use the registry key > HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels > to set the screen resolution and remove the > "Resolution" entry in the config > file > fixme:thread:NtSetInformationThread Set > ThreadImpersonationToken handle to (nil) > fixme:thread:NtSetInformationThread Set > ThreadImpersonationToken handle to 0x4c > Installation of D:\palm desktop\Palm Desktop.msi > (SETUPEXEDIR=D:\palm desktop) > failed. > err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x20024] GetDC() without > ReleaseDC()! > > I tried to find info on the web about 'Palm OS > Desktop installation & Wine' > without success... > > Is it possible to do install the 'Palm OS Desktop' > CD with Wine and/or any idea > for my problem ? > > Thanks a lot, regards, Francois > > > = M-Halo: Electronic Rock http://www.mhalo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
