Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
Ricardo Filipe ricardojdfilipe at gmail.com writes: as i said before, it was an uninformed decision, and yes, not enough time was left for feedback from the maintainers.we thought that appdb WOULD save all the data when moving, not only tests. it serves as example for us for the future, unfortunatly with problems to the EQ2 users. as i said before, sorry for that. at least it serves to not repeat the mistake, we hope you understand.a super maintainer would not be able to move the data to the new application, only appdb admins have that power.votes cannot be restored automatically, people will have to vote on the new page.bug links are manually recoverable, searching bugzilla and linking should be easy, i can do that if you feel you don't have time to. Mistakes happen, and I apologize for the irritated undertones of my messages. In the end it was the right thing to do anyways. Any help anybody could provide on tracking down and linking bugs is much appreciated. I'll try and do what I can as time permits. Thanks again for the explanation and the help. :)
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:58:00 + Ricardo Filipe ricardojdfil...@gmail.com wrote: bug links are manually recoverable, searching bugzilla and linking should be easy, i can do that if you feel you don't have time to. You can find a copy of wine appdb here http://ftp.winehq.org/pub/wine/ So someone may have a old copy of the data base.
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
Ben Klein shacklein at gmail.com writes: I just noticed that the entry for Everquest II, the sequel to Everquest, is listed as version 2 under Everquest in AppDB. This is incorrect, as the sequel is not a new version of the original game, it is a new game. Can someone help me fix it? I'd delete the version but there's quite a bit of test data there. I've CC'd the version maintainers. I understand why this was fixed, but the method and timing were bad. When EverQuest II was removed as a version of EverQuest and moved to it's own appdb entry in response to this message the only thing preserved was the test data. The votes for the application, the comments (with much needed info), maintainer notes (including howtos), and even the maintainers were removed. None of the bugs reported for Everquest 2 that were linked to the app are linked anymore and do not appear on the new appdb page. After being forced to re-apply to be a maintainer once again and doing a lot of searching through cached google pages I was able to restore some of the lost info. Is there a way to link the bugs to the appdb entry or not? Can the votes for the application be restored? Why wasnt this left to a super maintainer to correct instead? Why wasnt enough time allowed for input before an arbitrary change was made?
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
as i said before, it was an uninformed decision, and yes, not enough time was left for feedback from the maintainers. we thought that appdb WOULD save all the data when moving, not only tests. it serves as example for us for the future, unfortunatly with problems to the EQ2 users. as i said before, sorry for that. at least it serves to not repeat the mistake, we hope you understand. a super maintainer would not be able to move the data to the new application, only appdb admins have that power. votes cannot be restored automatically, people will have to vote on the new page. bug links are manually recoverable, searching bugzilla and linking should be easy, i can do that if you feel you don't have time to. 2009/3/18 John Beaulieu john.beaul...@comcast.net Ben Klein shacklein at gmail.com writes: I just noticed that the entry for Everquest II, the sequel to Everquest, is listed as version 2 under Everquest in AppDB. This is incorrect, as the sequel is not a new version of the original game, it is a new game. Can someone help me fix it? I'd delete the version but there's quite a bit of test data there. I've CC'd the version maintainers. I understand why this was fixed, but the method and timing were bad. When EverQuest II was removed as a version of EverQuest and moved to it's own appdb entry in response to this message the only thing preserved was the test data. The votes for the application, the comments (with much needed info), maintainer notes (including howtos), and even the maintainers were removed. None of the bugs reported for Everquest 2 that were linked to the app are linked anymore and do not appear on the new appdb page. After being forced to re-apply to be a maintainer once again and doing a lot of searching through cached google pages I was able to restore some of the lost info. Is there a way to link the bugs to the appdb entry or not? Can the votes for the application be restored? Why wasnt this left to a super maintainer to correct instead? Why wasnt enough time allowed for input before an arbitrary change was made?
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
This is really nitpicking isn't it? On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 12:02 +1100, Ben Klein wrote: I just noticed that the entry for Everquest II, the sequel to Everquest, is listed as version 2 under Everquest in AppDB. This is incorrect, as the sequel is not a new version of the original game, it is a new game. Can someone help me fix it? I'd delete the version but there's quite a bit of test data there. I've CC'd the version maintainers.
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
not really... it's a completly new game. i'll see if i can do something... 2009/3/15 John Beaulieu john.beaul...@comcast.net This is really nitpicking isn't it? On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 12:02 +1100, Ben Klein wrote: I just noticed that the entry for Everquest II, the sequel to Everquest, is listed as version 2 under Everquest in AppDB. This is incorrect, as the sequel is not a new version of the original game, it is a new game. Can someone help me fix it? I'd delete the version but there's quite a bit of test data there. I've CC'd the version maintainers.
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
done. i've created a new application and moved test data there. unfortunatly appdb doesn't move comments so those are lost :( i wait for the EQ maintainers to step up for EQ2 :P http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=9400 2009/3/15 Ben Klein shackl...@gmail.com I just noticed that the entry for Everquest II, the sequel to Everquest, is listed as version 2 under Everquest in AppDB. This is incorrect, as the sequel is not a new version of the original game, it is a new game. Can someone help me fix it? I'd delete the version but there's quite a bit of test data there. I've CC'd the version maintainers.
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Ricardo Filipe ricardojdfil...@gmail.com wrote: done. i've created a new application and moved test data there. unfortunatly appdb doesn't move comments so those are lost :( i wait for the EQ maintainers to step up for EQ2 :P http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=9400 2009/3/15 Ben Klein shackl...@gmail.com I just noticed that the entry for Everquest II, the sequel to Everquest, is listed as version 2 under Everquest in AppDB. This is incorrect, as the sequel is not a new version of the original game, it is a new game. Can someone help me fix it? I'd delete the version but there's quite a bit of test data there. I've CC'd the version maintainers. I've always wondered about that. Thanks for fixing it. Someone already changed the description to include the link you mentioned. Is that all you wanted? I am a maintainer of the original EQ.
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
all that is changed it was me. i kept everything on context, although i forgot to copy EQ2 description :S what i meant is that you or other EQ maintainer ask to be EQ2 maintainer ;) 2009/3/15 Charity Abbott angeli...@gmail.com On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Ricardo Filipe ricardojdfil...@gmail.com wrote: done. i've created a new application and moved test data there. unfortunatly appdb doesn't move comments so those are lost :( i wait for the EQ maintainers to step up for EQ2 :P http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicationiId=9400 2009/3/15 Ben Klein shackl...@gmail.com I just noticed that the entry for Everquest II, the sequel to Everquest, is listed as version 2 under Everquest in AppDB. This is incorrect, as the sequel is not a new version of the original game, it is a new game. Can someone help me fix it? I'd delete the version but there's quite a bit of test data there. I've CC'd the version maintainers. I've always wondered about that. Thanks for fixing it. Someone already changed the description to include the link you mentioned. Is that all you wanted? I am a maintainer of the original EQ.
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
no test data was lost. it is all in the new link. i already stated the comments got lost and i'm sorry for that, i thought appdb would copy them too. and that's why i asked for the EQ maintainers to step up to be EQ2 maintainers. i apologize for the missing comments, again. 2009/3/15 John Beaulieu john.beaul...@comcast.net Hey, you caused comments, data, and maintainers to be removed. Thats not cool. On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 11:18 +, Ricardo Filipe wrote: not really... it's a completly new game. i'll see if i can do something...
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
actually ben, how to's and warnings also went away. i think beaulieu already found them elsewhere and updated the page with them, thanks ;) sorry about that again, i'll post a bug for moving data to also copy the rest of the page... 2009/3/15 Ben Klein shackl...@gmail.com 2009/3/16 Ricardo Filipe ricardojdfil...@gmail.com: no test data was lost. it is all in the new link. i already stated the comments got lost and i'm sorry for that, i thought appdb would copy them too. and that's why i asked for the EQ maintainers to step up to be EQ2 maintainers. i apologize for the missing comments, again. 2009/3/15 John Beaulieu john.beaul...@comcast.net Hey, you caused comments, data, and maintainers to be removed. Thats not cool. On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 11:18 +, Ricardo Filipe wrote: not really... it's a completly new game. i'll see if i can do something... Thanks Ricardo. Pity about the comments, but Notes, HOWTOs and Warnings are more useful than comments anyway, and comments tend to get stale faster :)
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
2009/3/16 Ricardo Filipe ricardojdfil...@gmail.com: actually ben, how to's and warnings also went away. i think beaulieu already found them elsewhere and updated the page with them, thanks ;) sorry about that again, i'll post a bug for moving data to also copy the rest of the page... Oh well, I still appreciate your help in cleaning it up :D
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:23:20 + Ricardo Filipe ricardojdfil...@gmail.com wrote: no test data was lost. it is all in the new link. i already stated the comments got lost and i'm sorry for that, i thought appdb would copy them too. and that's why i asked for the EQ maintainers to step up to be EQ2 maintainers. i apologize for the missing comments, again. Screenshots are not copied either. IMO, the move child objects link should be renamed move test data, as that seems to be all it actually moves. And perhaps deleting the entry moved from should not be automatic. It's just one extra step for an admin to go back and manually delete an entry after moving test data, and this would give us a chance to verify that everything that needed to be copied over has been before the change becomes irrevocable. -- Rosanne DiMesio dime...@earthlink.net
Re: [AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
agreed. either that or do a new link that copies EVERYTHING. i've CCed the appdb site manager to see what he thinks :) 2009/3/15 Rosanne DiMesio dime...@earthlink.net On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:23:20 + Ricardo Filipe ricardojdfil...@gmail.com wrote: no test data was lost. it is all in the new link. i already stated the comments got lost and i'm sorry for that, i thought appdb would copy them too. and that's why i asked for the EQ maintainers to step up to be EQ2 maintainers. i apologize for the missing comments, again. Screenshots are not copied either. IMO, the move child objects link should be renamed move test data, as that seems to be all it actually moves. And perhaps deleting the entry moved from should not be automatic. It's just one extra step for an admin to go back and manually delete an entry after moving test data, and this would give us a chance to verify that everything that needed to be copied over has been before the change becomes irrevocable. -- Rosanne DiMesio dime...@earthlink.net
[AppDB] Entry for Everquest 2
I just noticed that the entry for Everquest II, the sequel to Everquest, is listed as version 2 under Everquest in AppDB. This is incorrect, as the sequel is not a new version of the original game, it is a new game. Can someone help me fix it? I'd delete the version but there's quite a bit of test data there. I've CC'd the version maintainers.
