Re: Bow and question

2008-01-08 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Juan Carlos Montes wrote:

 Shachar Shemesh escribió:
   
 I think you should be aware that Wine is no replacement for a security 
 tool. If you run a malware using Wine, it is possible for this malware 
 to interact directly with your Linux machine, bypassing your protection.

 Shachar
 

 I know it, but we can control all actions that the malware make. If the 
 malware
 bypass the protection and infect the machine... no problem, format, image and
 new malware to check, :)
   
But what good is a malware study tool if the malware can trivially 
detect it's there? What if it doesn't infect the machine, but just run 
differently?

There are Windows tools that do similar things to what you need (check 
out the sys-internals web site), where the environment is much more 
close to the real thing.

Actually, Dan's question is the more interesting here - did the malwares 
work under wine?

Shachar




Re: Bow and question

2008-01-08 Thread Juan Carlos Montes
Shachar Shemesh escribió:
 I think you should be aware that Wine is no replacement for a security 
 tool. If you run a malware using Wine, it is possible for this malware 
 to interact directly with your Linux machine, bypassing your protection.
 
 Shachar

I know it, but we can control all actions that the malware make. If the malware
bypass the protection and infect the machine... no problem, format, image and
new malware to check, :)




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Re: Bow and question

2008-01-08 Thread Juan Carlos Montes Senra


Shachar Shemesh escribió:
 But what good is a malware study tool if the malware can trivially
 detect it's there? What if it doesn't infect the machine, but just run
 differently?
 
 There are Windows tools that do similar things to what you need (check
 out the sys-internals web site), where the environment is much more
 close to the real thing.
 
 Actually, Dan's question is the more interesting here - did the malwares
 work under wine?
 
 Shachar

I know that in windows we can found similar things, but with wine we can make a
first check, make a simple report, and send it to client.
Later, we can make a good manual analysis.

At the moment we can report quickly if a malware delete files, change 
registry...

did the malwares work under wine?
a lot of, :)

Think... if we dont get results, we must made a manual analysis...


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Re: Bow and question

2008-01-06 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Juan Carlos Montes wrote:

 Hi all,

 I am new in this list, so... Hello!!!

 Well, I work in a CERT and we are create a automatic malware detection tool 
 with
 wine.

   
I think you should be aware that Wine is no replacement for a security 
tool. If you run a malware using Wine, it is possible for this malware 
to interact directly with your Linux machine, bypassing your protection.

Shachar




Re: Bow and question

2008-01-03 Thread Juan Carlos Montes Senra
Dan Kegel escribió:
  So how well is Wine running the malware you're interested in?
  - Dan


Thanks, I found a lot options in the web but didnt know DEFAULT_DEBUG_CHANNEL
const,  :)

So, we only try a few malware, [ 3 files ], but all ran correctly.
Two files was compiled in VisualC, and the last one in VisualBasic. We was
needed to install the visualbasic runtime, but it was the only problem.

Well, if you need anything, tell me it,  :)


thanks another time,

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INTECO-CERT
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Re: Bow and question

2008-01-03 Thread Juan Carlos Montes Senra
Dan Kegel escribió:
 So how well is Wine running the malware you're interested in?
 - Dan


Thanks, I found a lot options in the web but didnt know DEFAULT_DEBUG_CHANNEL
const, :)

So, we only try a few malware, [ 3 files ], but all ran correctly.
Two files was compiled in VisualC, and the last one in VisualBasic. We was
needed to install the visualbasic runtime, but it was the only problem.

Well, if you need anything, tell me it, :)


thanks another time,

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Juan Carlos Montes Senra
INTECO-CERT
Instituto Nacional de Tecnologías de la Comunicación
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tlf. 0034 987 877 189 - ext. 532
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