Re: Wine Weekly News
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007, Jonathan Ernst wrote:
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About the new AppDB Application Status Changes, I see that you have a
change column.
I'm not convinced this column is of any use: it only repeats what we see
in the other two columns but in a less obvious way.
The total / global trend however would be more useful. Something like:
Applications whose rating improved: X
Applications whose rating worsened: Y
I'm not sure more detail is pratical because there are lots of possible
transitions: from Garbage to Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum; from
Silver to Garbage, ... (10 total).
We could also have a count of new applications for each rating. But
if this also counts newly added applications, then it does not say much
about whether applications improve or not. But it would give an idea of
the level of activity in the application database.
--
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Re: Wine Weekly News
Hello, First, thank you for your work on the WWN ! About the new AppDB Application Status Changes, I see that you have a change column. What do you think about adding the sum of this column somewhere so we can see how/if Wine is improving between releases regarding application compatibility (of course this would be just an indication). Best regards. Jonathan
Re: Wine Weekly News
I thought about it, but wasn't sure of the usefulness of such a number. If consensus is that it would be worth having, i'll add it for WWN 335. On Dec 10, 2007 3:57 PM, Jonathan Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, First, thank you for your work on the WWN ! About the new AppDB Application Status Changes, I see that you have a change column. What do you think about adding the sum of this column somewhere so we can see how/if Wine is improving between releases regarding application compatibility (of course this would be just an indication). Best regards. Jonathan -- Zachary Goldberg Computer Science Engineering Electrical Captain of Penn Electric Race Team School of Engineering at the University of Pennsylvania
Re: Wine Weekly News
Zachary Goldberg wrote: I thought about it, but wasn't sure of the usefulness of such a number. If consensus is that it would be worth having, i'll add it for WWN 335. On Dec 10, 2007 3:57 PM, Jonathan Ernst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, First, thank you for your work on the WWN ! About the new AppDB Application Status Changes, I see that you have a change column. What do you think about adding the sum of this column somewhere so we can see how/if Wine is improving between releases regarding application compatibility (of course this would be just an indication). Best regards. Jonathan I'd like to see that as well. Could be interesting. Cheers, -Zac
Re: Wine Weekly News
All good points (from a fellow Norwegian :) On the other hand, appDB entries are (and probably always will be) user generated content, and users will always have different opinions (and environment setup). IMHO users won't sue wine if the abbDB status differs from their experience with an app. It's regarded more of a pointer at this stage. But, as more and more lovely testing code gets into wine, and if there's going to be a stable and unstable branch after 1.0 - things will look slightly different... Tomas Zijdemans Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes wrote: The problem of using test results as background for this is that they are very dependent on the experience of each user. For instance some might be unable to run a game because they have execshield or other stuff that mess up Wine, or simply because they are not following the how-to instructions. Take the Age of Empires II test report, for instance. The user has rated it Gold even though the text on the main menu is displayed black instead of white (on a dark background), and the game is a bit slow even on a modern computer. The alternative is to use the maintainer ratings, which are generally more correct but updated far less frequently. Alexander N. Sørnes On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:02:36 Zachary Goldberg wrote: I've finished coding a script which runs the necessary query to generate data (I download a database backup and run the queries on my local machine.). As a sampling (if anybody feels like tripple checking that the data is correct) of Upgrades (and some downgrades) from 11-27-2007 to 12-04-2007: Chromadrome 2 - Demo 1.0 (18165) went from Garbage (2007-11-25 01:25:25) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:50:43) Age of Empires II The Age of Kings: 2.x (18083) went from Silver (2007-11-15 15:58:30) to Gold (2007-11-30 16:30:18) Dreamweaver MX (18123) went from Silver (2007-07-22 03:17:03) to Garbage (2007-12-01 17:41:49) Call of Duty United Offensive: 1.5 (18163) went from Gold (2007-04-06 07:46:23) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:12:50) Crysis Single player demo (18094) went from Garbage (2007-11-06 12:49:00) to Bronze (2007-12-01 03:25:13) Eschalon Book I Demo Demo (18029) went from Garbage (2007-11-22 02:37:49) to Platinum (2007-11-29 03:11:20) Gothic 1.0x (18154) went from Bronze (2007-11-09 11:48:03) to Garbage (2007-12-02 09:21:57) Proteus 7.2 (18050) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 07:08:51) to Silver (2007-11-29 22:20:27) Ys origin 1.1.0.0 - Adol Version (18060) went from Bronze (2007-07-13 00:20:48) to Silver (2007-11-30 01:38:14) Mp3tag v2.39 (17994) went from Platinum (2007-10-20 11:01:13) to Gold (2007-11-27 15:44:51) Crayon Release 1 (17988) went from Gold (2007-11-17 13:34:11) to Platinum (2007-11-27 11:30:05) Silencer 1.10.1 (18087) went from Silver (2007-11-16 15:04:45) to Platinum (2007-11-30 17:22:00) .NET Framework 2.0 (18042) went from Garbage (2007-11-29 10:07:26) to Platinum (2007-11-30 11:35:57) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield 1.60 (18057) went from Garbage (2007-10-17 11:44:55) to Bronze (2007-11-29 21:43:19) Safari 3.x Public Beta (18196) went from Garbage (2007-11-21 03:21:32) to Bronze (2007-12-03 10:03:37) TTPlayer 5.0.1 (18191) went from Silver (2007-11-07 05:24:39) to Gold (2007-12-03 08:43:31) Sid Meier's Civilization IV Civilization IV Beyond The Sword (3.13) (18108) went from Bronze (2007-11-07 06:34:47) to Silver (2007-12-01 10:08:49) Original War 1.08 (18041) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 19:59:13) to Bronze (2007-11-29 09:31:33) Half-Life 2 Half-Life: Source (17993) went from Garbage (2007-11-05 14:08:10) to Platinum (2007-11-27 13:49:48) Serif PhotoPlus PhotoPlus 11 (18201) went from Garbage (2007-11-17 17:02:33) to Gold (2007-12-03 12:40:39) MapSource 6.11.5 (18021) went from Silver (2007-10-17 05:19:10) to Gold (2007-11-28 18:11:37) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Demo (18143) went from Garbage (2007-11-16 11:59:30) to Silver (2007-12-02 06:40:04) SimCity 4 1.1 638 Rush Hour (18148) went from Gold (2007-11-25 14:58:28) to Bronze (2007-12-02 07:40:50) On Dec 5, 2007 5:50 PM, Ben Hodgetts (Enverex) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Possibly, but on the other hand it could just as easily become Garbage in the next release of Wine ;) (sorry, I already sent this once at the start of the day but emailed it directly to the previous person rather than back to the list) Ben H. Tomas Zijdemans wrote: This is great :) Would it be a good idea to include major news from the appDB? Ex: Photoshop cs2 has now reached Gold status I think this would be very inspiring to users. Tomas Triton wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:23:10 -0500 Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kai, It was my pleasure :). Keep the interesting wine discussion/news coming and I'll keep writing WWNs. I'll also make note to highlight in particular GSoC developments as
Re: Wine Weekly News
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 16:08:27 Zachary Goldberg wrote: Hmmm interesting idea. I don't actually know just yet who the maintainer of the AppDB is, but he/she may respond in this thread (I'll attempt to find out their email anyway) as to whether or not its possible to generate a weekly summary of applications which have been upgraded through the week? I agree that that would be a great addition. Their e-mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] They'll have to decide how to track the changes, but in any case the code should be in soon. Alexander N. Sørnes --Zach On Dec 5, 2007 7:51 AM, Tomas Zijdemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is great :) Would it be a good idea to include major news from the appDB? Ex: Photoshop cs2 has now reached Gold status I think this would be very inspiring to users. Tomas Triton wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:23:10 -0500 Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kai, It was my pleasure :). Keep the interesting wine discussion/news coming and I'll keep writing WWNs. I'll also make note to highlight in particular GSoC developments as they happen. --Zach Hi everyone, I've been following the mailing lists for some time now, this is my first post. OK, presentation done... I also had to thank you bring to life the WWN, it's a great resource for those who don't actively follow the development discussions.
Re: Wine Weekly News
On Dec 5, 2007 8:20 AM, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their e-mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] They'll have to decide how to track the changes, but in any case the code should be in soon. What about downgrades? Regressions happen. It'd be terrible one week to promise something working and then a user finding out it's broken a few months later. Of course, even if we could report on apps regressing it would rely on people actually changing the status in AppDB and I'm not so sure that'll happen. -Brian
Re: Wine Weekly News
Brian, Yep -- i'll be tracking downgrades too. I'm actually writing the code myself, you'll likely see the results in next weeks issue --Zach On Dec 5, 2007 3:30 PM, Brian Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 5, 2007 8:20 AM, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their e-mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] They'll have to decide how to track the changes, but in any case the code should be in soon. What about downgrades? Regressions happen. It'd be terrible one week to promise something working and then a user finding out it's broken a few months later. Of course, even if we could report on apps regressing it would rely on people actually changing the status in AppDB and I'm not so sure that'll happen. -Brian -- Zachary Goldberg Computer Science Engineering Electrical Captain of Penn Electric Race Team School of Engineering at the University of Pennsylvania
Re: Wine Weekly News
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Possibly, but on the other hand it could just as easily become Garbage in the next release of Wine ;) (sorry, I already sent this once at the start of the day but emailed it directly to the previous person rather than back to the list) Ben H. Tomas Zijdemans wrote: This is great :) Would it be a good idea to include major news from the appDB? Ex: Photoshop cs2 has now reached Gold status I think this would be very inspiring to users. Tomas Triton wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:23:10 -0500 Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kai, It was my pleasure :). Keep the interesting wine discussion/news coming and I'll keep writing WWNs. I'll also make note to highlight in particular GSoC developments as they happen. --Zach Hi everyone, I've been following the mailing lists for some time now, this is my first post. OK, presentation done... I also had to thank you bring to life the WWN, it's a great resource for those who don't actively follow the development discussions. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVytLuqCUopk11kIRAkesAJ9d/vngVV71xY/749SA8g5hkys4DgCfVEwh IlVnueogwUYAb4y1qx4iU38= =qmuz -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Wine Weekly News
I've finished coding a script which runs the necessary query to generate data (I download a database backup and run the queries on my local machine.). As a sampling (if anybody feels like tripple checking that the data is correct) of Upgrades (and some downgrades) from 11-27-2007 to 12-04-2007: Chromadrome 2 - Demo 1.0 (18165) went from Garbage (2007-11-25 01:25:25) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:50:43) Age of Empires II The Age of Kings: 2.x (18083) went from Silver (2007-11-15 15:58:30) to Gold (2007-11-30 16:30:18) Dreamweaver MX (18123) went from Silver (2007-07-22 03:17:03) to Garbage (2007-12-01 17:41:49) Call of Duty United Offensive: 1.5 (18163) went from Gold (2007-04-06 07:46:23) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:12:50) Crysis Single player demo (18094) went from Garbage (2007-11-06 12:49:00) to Bronze (2007-12-01 03:25:13) Eschalon Book I Demo Demo (18029) went from Garbage (2007-11-22 02:37:49) to Platinum (2007-11-29 03:11:20) Gothic 1.0x (18154) went from Bronze (2007-11-09 11:48:03) to Garbage (2007-12-02 09:21:57) Proteus 7.2 (18050) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 07:08:51) to Silver (2007-11-29 22:20:27) Ys origin 1.1.0.0 - Adol Version (18060) went from Bronze (2007-07-13 00:20:48) to Silver (2007-11-30 01:38:14) Mp3tag v2.39 (17994) went from Platinum (2007-10-20 11:01:13) to Gold (2007-11-27 15:44:51) Crayon Release 1 (17988) went from Gold (2007-11-17 13:34:11) to Platinum (2007-11-27 11:30:05) Silencer 1.10.1 (18087) went from Silver (2007-11-16 15:04:45) to Platinum (2007-11-30 17:22:00) .NET Framework 2.0 (18042) went from Garbage (2007-11-29 10:07:26) to Platinum (2007-11-30 11:35:57) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield 1.60 (18057) went from Garbage (2007-10-17 11:44:55) to Bronze (2007-11-29 21:43:19) Safari 3.x Public Beta (18196) went from Garbage (2007-11-21 03:21:32) to Bronze (2007-12-03 10:03:37) TTPlayer 5.0.1 (18191) went from Silver (2007-11-07 05:24:39) to Gold (2007-12-03 08:43:31) Sid Meier's Civilization IV Civilization IV Beyond The Sword (3.13) (18108) went from Bronze (2007-11-07 06:34:47) to Silver (2007-12-01 10:08:49) Original War 1.08 (18041) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 19:59:13) to Bronze (2007-11-29 09:31:33) Half-Life 2 Half-Life: Source (17993) went from Garbage (2007-11-05 14:08:10) to Platinum (2007-11-27 13:49:48) Serif PhotoPlus PhotoPlus 11 (18201) went from Garbage (2007-11-17 17:02:33) to Gold (2007-12-03 12:40:39) MapSource 6.11.5 (18021) went from Silver (2007-10-17 05:19:10) to Gold (2007-11-28 18:11:37) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Demo (18143) went from Garbage (2007-11-16 11:59:30) to Silver (2007-12-02 06:40:04) SimCity 4 1.1 638 Rush Hour (18148) went from Gold (2007-11-25 14:58:28) to Bronze (2007-12-02 07:40:50) On Dec 5, 2007 5:50 PM, Ben Hodgetts (Enverex) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Possibly, but on the other hand it could just as easily become Garbage in the next release of Wine ;) (sorry, I already sent this once at the start of the day but emailed it directly to the previous person rather than back to the list) Ben H. Tomas Zijdemans wrote: This is great :) Would it be a good idea to include major news from the appDB? Ex: Photoshop cs2 has now reached Gold status I think this would be very inspiring to users. Tomas Triton wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:23:10 -0500 Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kai, It was my pleasure :). Keep the interesting wine discussion/news coming and I'll keep writing WWNs. I'll also make note to highlight in particular GSoC developments as they happen. --Zach Hi everyone, I've been following the mailing lists for some time now, this is my first post. OK, presentation done... I also had to thank you bring to life the WWN, it's a great resource for those who don't actively follow the development discussions. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVytLuqCUopk11kIRAkesAJ9d/vngVV71xY/749SA8g5hkys4DgCfVEwh IlVnueogwUYAb4y1qx4iU38= =qmuz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Zachary Goldberg Computer Science Engineering Electrical Captain of Penn Electric Race Team School of Engineering at the University of Pennsylvania
Re: Wine Weekly News
Hmmm interesting idea. I don't actually know just yet who the maintainer of the AppDB is, but he/she may respond in this thread (I'll attempt to find out their email anyway) as to whether or not its possible to generate a weekly summary of applications which have been upgraded through the week? I agree that that would be a great addition. --Zach On Dec 5, 2007 7:51 AM, Tomas Zijdemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is great :) Would it be a good idea to include major news from the appDB? Ex: Photoshop cs2 has now reached Gold status I think this would be very inspiring to users. Tomas Triton wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:23:10 -0500 Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kai, It was my pleasure :). Keep the interesting wine discussion/news coming and I'll keep writing WWNs. I'll also make note to highlight in particular GSoC developments as they happen. --Zach Hi everyone, I've been following the mailing lists for some time now, this is my first post. OK, presentation done... I also had to thank you bring to life the WWN, it's a great resource for those who don't actively follow the development discussions. -- Zachary Goldberg Computer Science Engineering Electrical Captain of Penn Electric Race Team School of Engineering at the University of Pennsylvania
Re: Wine Weekly News
The problem of using test results as background for this is that they are very dependent on the experience of each user. For instance some might be unable to run a game because they have execshield or other stuff that mess up Wine, or simply because they are not following the how-to instructions. Take the Age of Empires II test report, for instance. The user has rated it Gold even though the text on the main menu is displayed black instead of white (on a dark background), and the game is a bit slow even on a modern computer. The alternative is to use the maintainer ratings, which are generally more correct but updated far less frequently. Alexander N. Sørnes On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:02:36 Zachary Goldberg wrote: I've finished coding a script which runs the necessary query to generate data (I download a database backup and run the queries on my local machine.). As a sampling (if anybody feels like tripple checking that the data is correct) of Upgrades (and some downgrades) from 11-27-2007 to 12-04-2007: Chromadrome 2 - Demo 1.0 (18165) went from Garbage (2007-11-25 01:25:25) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:50:43) Age of Empires II The Age of Kings: 2.x (18083) went from Silver (2007-11-15 15:58:30) to Gold (2007-11-30 16:30:18) Dreamweaver MX (18123) went from Silver (2007-07-22 03:17:03) to Garbage (2007-12-01 17:41:49) Call of Duty United Offensive: 1.5 (18163) went from Gold (2007-04-06 07:46:23) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:12:50) Crysis Single player demo (18094) went from Garbage (2007-11-06 12:49:00) to Bronze (2007-12-01 03:25:13) Eschalon Book I Demo Demo (18029) went from Garbage (2007-11-22 02:37:49) to Platinum (2007-11-29 03:11:20) Gothic 1.0x (18154) went from Bronze (2007-11-09 11:48:03) to Garbage (2007-12-02 09:21:57) Proteus 7.2 (18050) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 07:08:51) to Silver (2007-11-29 22:20:27) Ys origin 1.1.0.0 - Adol Version (18060) went from Bronze (2007-07-13 00:20:48) to Silver (2007-11-30 01:38:14) Mp3tag v2.39 (17994) went from Platinum (2007-10-20 11:01:13) to Gold (2007-11-27 15:44:51) Crayon Release 1 (17988) went from Gold (2007-11-17 13:34:11) to Platinum (2007-11-27 11:30:05) Silencer 1.10.1 (18087) went from Silver (2007-11-16 15:04:45) to Platinum (2007-11-30 17:22:00) .NET Framework 2.0 (18042) went from Garbage (2007-11-29 10:07:26) to Platinum (2007-11-30 11:35:57) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield 1.60 (18057) went from Garbage (2007-10-17 11:44:55) to Bronze (2007-11-29 21:43:19) Safari 3.x Public Beta (18196) went from Garbage (2007-11-21 03:21:32) to Bronze (2007-12-03 10:03:37) TTPlayer 5.0.1 (18191) went from Silver (2007-11-07 05:24:39) to Gold (2007-12-03 08:43:31) Sid Meier's Civilization IV Civilization IV Beyond The Sword (3.13) (18108) went from Bronze (2007-11-07 06:34:47) to Silver (2007-12-01 10:08:49) Original War 1.08 (18041) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 19:59:13) to Bronze (2007-11-29 09:31:33) Half-Life 2 Half-Life: Source (17993) went from Garbage (2007-11-05 14:08:10) to Platinum (2007-11-27 13:49:48) Serif PhotoPlus PhotoPlus 11 (18201) went from Garbage (2007-11-17 17:02:33) to Gold (2007-12-03 12:40:39) MapSource 6.11.5 (18021) went from Silver (2007-10-17 05:19:10) to Gold (2007-11-28 18:11:37) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Demo (18143) went from Garbage (2007-11-16 11:59:30) to Silver (2007-12-02 06:40:04) SimCity 4 1.1 638 Rush Hour (18148) went from Gold (2007-11-25 14:58:28) to Bronze (2007-12-02 07:40:50) On Dec 5, 2007 5:50 PM, Ben Hodgetts (Enverex) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Possibly, but on the other hand it could just as easily become Garbage in the next release of Wine ;) (sorry, I already sent this once at the start of the day but emailed it directly to the previous person rather than back to the list) Ben H. Tomas Zijdemans wrote: This is great :) Would it be a good idea to include major news from the appDB? Ex: Photoshop cs2 has now reached Gold status I think this would be very inspiring to users. Tomas Triton wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:23:10 -0500 Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kai, It was my pleasure :). Keep the interesting wine discussion/news coming and I'll keep writing WWNs. I'll also make note to highlight in particular GSoC developments as they happen. --Zach Hi everyone, I've been following the mailing lists for some time now, this is my first post. OK, presentation done... I also had to thank you bring to life the WWN, it's a great resource for those who don't actively follow the development discussions. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHVytLuqCUopk11kIRAkesAJ9d/vngVV71xY/749SA8g5hkys4DgCfVEwh IlVnueogwUYAb4y1qx4iU38= =qmuz -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Wine Weekly News
This is great :) Would it be a good idea to include major news from the appDB? Ex: Photoshop cs2 has now reached Gold status I think this would be very inspiring to users. Tomas Triton wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:23:10 -0500 Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kai, It was my pleasure :). Keep the interesting wine discussion/news coming and I'll keep writing WWNs. I'll also make note to highlight in particular GSoC developments as they happen. --Zach Hi everyone, I've been following the mailing lists for some time now, this is my first post. OK, presentation done... I also had to thank you bring to life the WWN, it's a great resource for those who don't actively follow the development discussions.
Re: Wine Weekly News
On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:44:03 Zachary Goldberg wrote: Here are the updated results for when we only look at updates from App Maintainers. It also just so happens that that age of empires case you mentioned is in fact by a maintainer. Please respond and leave your opinion as to which is more worthwhile in the WWN. Perhaps i'll put both in different sections. The maintainer ratings are a field in the appVersions table, but they are not as frequently updated as test results. An option might be to take the highest rating from each Wine version from the test results and compare them. That would avoid many errors, but would still not help in cases where apps are over-rated, such as with Age of Empires II. Alexander (replaced dates with wine versions) Age of Empires II The Age of Kings: 2.x went from Silver (0.9.49) to Gold (0.9.50) TTPlayer 5.0.1 went from Silver (0.9.48) to Gold (0.9.50) Sid Meier's Civilization IV Civilization IV Beyond The Sword (3.13) went from Bronze (0.9.48) to Silver (0.9.50) Original War 1.08 went from Garbage (0.9.49) to Bronze (0.9.49) Call of Duty United Offensive: 1.5 went from Gold (0.9.34) to Platinum (0.9.48) Gothic 1.0x went from Bronze (0.9.48) to Garbage (0.9.50) Ys origin 1.1.0.0 - Adol Version went from Bronze (0.9.40) to Silver (0.9.49) Serif PhotoPlus PhotoPlus 11 went from Garbage (0.9.49) to Gold (0.9.50) On Dec 5, 2007 6:18 PM, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem of using test results as background for this is that they are very dependent on the experience of each user. For instance some might be unable to run a game because they have execshield or other stuff that mess up Wine, or simply because they are not following the how-to instructions. Take the Age of Empires II test report, for instance. The user has rated it Gold even though the text on the main menu is displayed black instead of white (on a dark background), and the game is a bit slow even on a modern computer. The alternative is to use the maintainer ratings, which are generally more correct but updated far less frequently. Alexander N. Sørnes On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:02:36 Zachary Goldberg wrote: I've finished coding a script which runs the necessary query to generate data (I download a database backup and run the queries on my local machine.). As a sampling (if anybody feels like tripple checking that the data is correct) of Upgrades (and some downgrades) from 11-27-2007 to 12-04-2007: Chromadrome 2 - Demo 1.0 (18165) went from Garbage (2007-11-25 01:25:25) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:50:43) Age of Empires II The Age of Kings: 2.x (18083) went from Silver (2007-11-15 15:58:30) to Gold (2007-11-30 16:30:18) Dreamweaver MX (18123) went from Silver (2007-07-22 03:17:03) to Garbage (2007-12-01 17:41:49) Call of Duty United Offensive: 1.5 (18163) went from Gold (2007-04-06 07:46:23) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:12:50) Crysis Single player demo (18094) went from Garbage (2007-11-06 12:49:00) to Bronze (2007-12-01 03:25:13) Eschalon Book I Demo Demo (18029) went from Garbage (2007-11-22 02:37:49) to Platinum (2007-11-29 03:11:20) Gothic 1.0x (18154) went from Bronze (2007-11-09 11:48:03) to Garbage (2007-12-02 09:21:57) Proteus 7.2 (18050) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 07:08:51) to Silver (2007-11-29 22:20:27) Ys origin 1.1.0.0 - Adol Version (18060) went from Bronze (2007-07-13 00:20:48) to Silver (2007-11-30 01:38:14) Mp3tag v2.39 (17994) went from Platinum (2007-10-20 11:01:13) to Gold (2007-11-27 15:44:51) Crayon Release 1 (17988) went from Gold (2007-11-17 13:34:11) to Platinum (2007-11-27 11:30:05) Silencer 1.10.1 (18087) went from Silver (2007-11-16 15:04:45) to Platinum (2007-11-30 17:22:00) .NET Framework 2.0 (18042) went from Garbage (2007-11-29 10:07:26) to Platinum (2007-11-30 11:35:57) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield 1.60 (18057) went from Garbage (2007-10-17 11:44:55) to Bronze (2007-11-29 21:43:19) Safari 3.x Public Beta (18196) went from Garbage (2007-11-21 03:21:32) to Bronze (2007-12-03 10:03:37) TTPlayer 5.0.1 (18191) went from Silver (2007-11-07 05:24:39) to Gold (2007-12-03 08:43:31) Sid Meier's Civilization IV Civilization IV Beyond The Sword (3.13) (18108) went from Bronze (2007-11-07 06:34:47) to Silver (2007-12-01 10:08:49) Original War 1.08 (18041) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 19:59:13) to Bronze (2007-11-29 09:31:33) Half-Life 2 Half-Life: Source (17993) went from Garbage (2007-11-05 14:08:10) to Platinum (2007-11-27 13:49:48) Serif PhotoPlus PhotoPlus 11 (18201) went from Garbage (2007-11-17 17:02:33) to Gold (2007-12-03 12:40:39) MapSource 6.11.5 (18021) went from Silver (2007-10-17 05:19:10) to Gold (2007-11-28 18:11:37) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Demo (18143) went from Garbage
Re: Wine Weekly News
Here are the updated results for when we only look at updates from App Maintainers. It also just so happens that that age of empires case you mentioned is in fact by a maintainer. Please respond and leave your opinion as to which is more worthwhile in the WWN. Perhaps i'll put both in different sections. (replaced dates with wine versions) Age of Empires II The Age of Kings: 2.x went from Silver (0.9.49) to Gold (0.9.50) TTPlayer 5.0.1 went from Silver (0.9.48) to Gold (0.9.50) Sid Meier's Civilization IV Civilization IV Beyond The Sword (3.13) went from Bronze (0.9.48) to Silver (0.9.50) Original War 1.08 went from Garbage (0.9.49) to Bronze (0.9.49) Call of Duty United Offensive: 1.5 went from Gold (0.9.34) to Platinum (0.9.48) Gothic 1.0x went from Bronze (0.9.48) to Garbage (0.9.50) Ys origin 1.1.0.0 - Adol Version went from Bronze (0.9.40) to Silver (0.9.49) Serif PhotoPlus PhotoPlus 11 went from Garbage (0.9.49) to Gold (0.9.50) On Dec 5, 2007 6:18 PM, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem of using test results as background for this is that they are very dependent on the experience of each user. For instance some might be unable to run a game because they have execshield or other stuff that mess up Wine, or simply because they are not following the how-to instructions. Take the Age of Empires II test report, for instance. The user has rated it Gold even though the text on the main menu is displayed black instead of white (on a dark background), and the game is a bit slow even on a modern computer. The alternative is to use the maintainer ratings, which are generally more correct but updated far less frequently. Alexander N. Sørnes On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:02:36 Zachary Goldberg wrote: I've finished coding a script which runs the necessary query to generate data (I download a database backup and run the queries on my local machine.). As a sampling (if anybody feels like tripple checking that the data is correct) of Upgrades (and some downgrades) from 11-27-2007 to 12-04-2007: Chromadrome 2 - Demo 1.0 (18165) went from Garbage (2007-11-25 01:25:25) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:50:43) Age of Empires II The Age of Kings: 2.x (18083) went from Silver (2007-11-15 15:58:30) to Gold (2007-11-30 16:30:18) Dreamweaver MX (18123) went from Silver (2007-07-22 03:17:03) to Garbage (2007-12-01 17:41:49) Call of Duty United Offensive: 1.5 (18163) went from Gold (2007-04-06 07:46:23) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:12:50) Crysis Single player demo (18094) went from Garbage (2007-11-06 12:49:00) to Bronze (2007-12-01 03:25:13) Eschalon Book I Demo Demo (18029) went from Garbage (2007-11-22 02:37:49) to Platinum (2007-11-29 03:11:20) Gothic 1.0x (18154) went from Bronze (2007-11-09 11:48:03) to Garbage (2007-12-02 09:21:57) Proteus 7.2 (18050) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 07:08:51) to Silver (2007-11-29 22:20:27) Ys origin 1.1.0.0 - Adol Version (18060) went from Bronze (2007-07-13 00:20:48) to Silver (2007-11-30 01:38:14) Mp3tag v2.39 (17994) went from Platinum (2007-10-20 11:01:13) to Gold (2007-11-27 15:44:51) Crayon Release 1 (17988) went from Gold (2007-11-17 13:34:11) to Platinum (2007-11-27 11:30:05) Silencer 1.10.1 (18087) went from Silver (2007-11-16 15:04:45) to Platinum (2007-11-30 17:22:00) .NET Framework 2.0 (18042) went from Garbage (2007-11-29 10:07:26) to Platinum (2007-11-30 11:35:57) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield 1.60 (18057) went from Garbage (2007-10-17 11:44:55) to Bronze (2007-11-29 21:43:19) Safari 3.x Public Beta (18196) went from Garbage (2007-11-21 03:21:32) to Bronze (2007-12-03 10:03:37) TTPlayer 5.0.1 (18191) went from Silver (2007-11-07 05:24:39) to Gold (2007-12-03 08:43:31) Sid Meier's Civilization IV Civilization IV Beyond The Sword (3.13) (18108) went from Bronze (2007-11-07 06:34:47) to Silver (2007-12-01 10:08:49) Original War 1.08 (18041) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 19:59:13) to Bronze (2007-11-29 09:31:33) Half-Life 2 Half-Life: Source (17993) went from Garbage (2007-11-05 14:08:10) to Platinum (2007-11-27 13:49:48) Serif PhotoPlus PhotoPlus 11 (18201) went from Garbage (2007-11-17 17:02:33) to Gold (2007-12-03 12:40:39) MapSource 6.11.5 (18021) went from Silver (2007-10-17 05:19:10) to Gold (2007-11-28 18:11:37) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Demo (18143) went from Garbage (2007-11-16 11:59:30) to Silver (2007-12-02 06:40:04) SimCity 4 1.1 638 Rush Hour (18148) went from Gold (2007-11-25 14:58:28) to Bronze (2007-12-02 07:40:50) On Dec 5, 2007 5:50 PM, Ben Hodgetts (Enverex) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Possibly, but on the other hand it could just as easily become Garbage in the next release of Wine ;) (sorry, I already sent this once at the start of the day but emailed it directly to the previous person rather
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Do you feel apps get updated enough that there are enough instances of an app being reviewed more than once per release to change these results? On Dec 5, 2007 6:52 PM, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:44:03 Zachary Goldberg wrote: Here are the updated results for when we only look at updates from App Maintainers. It also just so happens that that age of empires case you mentioned is in fact by a maintainer. Please respond and leave your opinion as to which is more worthwhile in the WWN. Perhaps i'll put both in different sections. The maintainer ratings are a field in the appVersions table, but they are not as frequently updated as test results. An option might be to take the highest rating from each Wine version from the test results and compare them. That would avoid many errors, but would still not help in cases where apps are over-rated, such as with Age of Empires II. Alexander (replaced dates with wine versions) Age of Empires II The Age of Kings: 2.x went from Silver (0.9.49) to Gold (0.9.50) TTPlayer 5.0.1 went from Silver (0.9.48) to Gold (0.9.50) Sid Meier's Civilization IV Civilization IV Beyond The Sword (3.13) went from Bronze (0.9.48) to Silver (0.9.50) Original War 1.08 went from Garbage (0.9.49) to Bronze (0.9.49) Call of Duty United Offensive: 1.5 went from Gold (0.9.34) to Platinum (0.9.48) Gothic 1.0x went from Bronze (0.9.48) to Garbage (0.9.50) Ys origin 1.1.0.0 - Adol Version went from Bronze (0.9.40) to Silver (0.9.49) Serif PhotoPlus PhotoPlus 11 went from Garbage (0.9.49) to Gold (0.9.50) On Dec 5, 2007 6:18 PM, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem of using test results as background for this is that they are very dependent on the experience of each user. For instance some might be unable to run a game because they have execshield or other stuff that mess up Wine, or simply because they are not following the how-to instructions. Take the Age of Empires II test report, for instance. The user has rated it Gold even though the text on the main menu is displayed black instead of white (on a dark background), and the game is a bit slow even on a modern computer. The alternative is to use the maintainer ratings, which are generally more correct but updated far less frequently. Alexander N. Sørnes On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:02:36 Zachary Goldberg wrote: I've finished coding a script which runs the necessary query to generate data (I download a database backup and run the queries on my local machine.). As a sampling (if anybody feels like tripple checking that the data is correct) of Upgrades (and some downgrades) from 11-27-2007 to 12-04-2007: Chromadrome 2 - Demo 1.0 (18165) went from Garbage (2007-11-25 01:25:25) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:50:43) Age of Empires II The Age of Kings: 2.x (18083) went from Silver (2007-11-15 15:58:30) to Gold (2007-11-30 16:30:18) Dreamweaver MX (18123) went from Silver (2007-07-22 03:17:03) to Garbage (2007-12-01 17:41:49) Call of Duty United Offensive: 1.5 (18163) went from Gold (2007-04-06 07:46:23) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:12:50) Crysis Single player demo (18094) went from Garbage (2007-11-06 12:49:00) to Bronze (2007-12-01 03:25:13) Eschalon Book I Demo Demo (18029) went from Garbage (2007-11-22 02:37:49) to Platinum (2007-11-29 03:11:20) Gothic 1.0x (18154) went from Bronze (2007-11-09 11:48:03) to Garbage (2007-12-02 09:21:57) Proteus 7.2 (18050) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 07:08:51) to Silver (2007-11-29 22:20:27) Ys origin 1.1.0.0 - Adol Version (18060) went from Bronze (2007-07-13 00:20:48) to Silver (2007-11-30 01:38:14) Mp3tag v2.39 (17994) went from Platinum (2007-10-20 11:01:13) to Gold (2007-11-27 15:44:51) Crayon Release 1 (17988) went from Gold (2007-11-17 13:34:11) to Platinum (2007-11-27 11:30:05) Silencer 1.10.1 (18087) went from Silver (2007-11-16 15:04:45) to Platinum (2007-11-30 17:22:00) .NET Framework 2.0 (18042) went from Garbage (2007-11-29 10:07:26) to Platinum (2007-11-30 11:35:57) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield 1.60 (18057) went from Garbage (2007-10-17 11:44:55) to Bronze (2007-11-29 21:43:19) Safari 3.x Public Beta (18196) went from Garbage (2007-11-21 03:21:32) to Bronze (2007-12-03 10:03:37) TTPlayer 5.0.1 (18191) went from Silver (2007-11-07 05:24:39) to Gold (2007-12-03 08:43:31) Sid Meier's Civilization IV Civilization IV Beyond The Sword (3.13) (18108) went from Bronze (2007-11-07 06:34:47) to Silver (2007-12-01 10:08:49) Original War 1.08 (18041) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 19:59:13) to Bronze (2007-11-29 09:31:33) Half-Life 2 Half-Life: Source (17993) went from Garbage (2007-11-05 14:08:10) to
Re: Wine Weekly News
i'd argue that this means we need to be smarter about how we process the test results. We need both a confidence and a rating and some way to reflect this in the results. Your other point about configuration, if users have problems with configuration then while it may be their fault its not really their fault if we let them misconfigure wine. I'm of course assuming that they aren't being malicious of course. Chris On Dec 5, 2007 6:18 PM, Alexander Nicolaysen Sørnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem of using test results as background for this is that they are very dependent on the experience of each user. For instance some might be unable to run a game because they have execshield or other stuff that mess up Wine, or simply because they are not following the how-to instructions. Take the Age of Empires II test report, for instance. The user has rated it Gold even though the text on the main menu is displayed black instead of white (on a dark background), and the game is a bit slow even on a modern computer. The alternative is to use the maintainer ratings, which are generally more correct but updated far less frequently. Alexander N. Sørnes On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:02:36 Zachary Goldberg wrote: I've finished coding a script which runs the necessary query to generate data (I download a database backup and run the queries on my local machine.). As a sampling (if anybody feels like tripple checking that the data is correct) of Upgrades (and some downgrades) from 11-27-2007 to 12-04-2007: Chromadrome 2 - Demo 1.0 (18165) went from Garbage (2007-11-25 01:25:25) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:50:43) Age of Empires II The Age of Kings: 2.x (18083) went from Silver (2007-11-15 15:58:30) to Gold (2007-11-30 16:30:18) Dreamweaver MX (18123) went from Silver (2007-07-22 03:17:03) to Garbage (2007-12-01 17:41:49) Call of Duty United Offensive: 1.5 (18163) went from Gold (2007-04-06 07:46:23) to Platinum (2007-12-02 11:12:50) Crysis Single player demo (18094) went from Garbage (2007-11-06 12:49:00) to Bronze (2007-12-01 03:25:13) Eschalon Book I Demo Demo (18029) went from Garbage (2007-11-22 02:37:49) to Platinum (2007-11-29 03:11:20) Gothic 1.0x (18154) went from Bronze (2007-11-09 11:48:03) to Garbage (2007-12-02 09:21:57) Proteus 7.2 (18050) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 07:08:51) to Silver (2007-11-29 22:20:27) Ys origin 1.1.0.0 - Adol Version (18060) went from Bronze (2007-07-13 00:20:48) to Silver (2007-11-30 01:38:14) Mp3tag v2.39 (17994) went from Platinum (2007-10-20 11:01:13) to Gold (2007-11-27 15:44:51) Crayon Release 1 (17988) went from Gold (2007-11-17 13:34:11) to Platinum (2007-11-27 11:30:05) Silencer 1.10.1 (18087) went from Silver (2007-11-16 15:04:45) to Platinum (2007-11-30 17:22:00) .NET Framework 2.0 (18042) went from Garbage (2007-11-29 10:07:26) to Platinum (2007-11-30 11:35:57) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield 1.60 (18057) went from Garbage (2007-10-17 11:44:55) to Bronze (2007-11-29 21:43:19) Safari 3.x Public Beta (18196) went from Garbage (2007-11-21 03:21:32) to Bronze (2007-12-03 10:03:37) TTPlayer 5.0.1 (18191) went from Silver (2007-11-07 05:24:39) to Gold (2007-12-03 08:43:31) Sid Meier's Civilization IV Civilization IV Beyond The Sword (3.13) (18108) went from Bronze (2007-11-07 06:34:47) to Silver (2007-12-01 10:08:49) Original War 1.08 (18041) went from Garbage (2007-11-18 19:59:13) to Bronze (2007-11-29 09:31:33) Half-Life 2 Half-Life: Source (17993) went from Garbage (2007-11-05 14:08:10) to Platinum (2007-11-27 13:49:48) Serif PhotoPlus PhotoPlus 11 (18201) went from Garbage (2007-11-17 17:02:33) to Gold (2007-12-03 12:40:39) MapSource 6.11.5 (18021) went from Silver (2007-10-17 05:19:10) to Gold (2007-11-28 18:11:37) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Demo (18143) went from Garbage (2007-11-16 11:59:30) to Silver (2007-12-02 06:40:04) SimCity 4 1.1 638 Rush Hour (18148) went from Gold (2007-11-25 14:58:28) to Bronze (2007-12-02 07:40:50) On Dec 5, 2007 5:50 PM, Ben Hodgetts (Enverex) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Possibly, but on the other hand it could just as easily become Garbage in the next release of Wine ;) (sorry, I already sent this once at the start of the day but emailed it directly to the previous person rather than back to the list) Ben H. Tomas Zijdemans wrote: This is great :) Would it be a good idea to include major news from the appDB? Ex: Photoshop cs2 has now reached Gold status I think this would be very inspiring to users. Tomas Triton wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:23:10 -0500 Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kai, It was my pleasure :). Keep the interesting wine discussion/news coming and I'll keep writing WWNs. I'll also make note to
Re: Wine Weekly News
Kai, It was my pleasure :). Keep the interesting wine discussion/news coming and I'll keep writing WWNs. I'll also make note to highlight in particular GSoC developments as they happen. --Zach On Dec 4, 2007 6:14 PM, Kai Blin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Zach, thanks for getting a new WWN issue out there. Finally there's more than one release after the other. I think WWN is a really valuable ressource for our users. Also, I hope it'll be a platform to get some GSoC exposure on the front page, especially without me having to take care of it. ;) Thanks, Kai -- Kai Blin WorldForge developer http://www.worldforge.org/ Wine developerhttp://wiki.winehq.org/KaiBlin Samba team member http://www.samba.org/samba/team/ -- Will code for cotton. -- Zachary Goldberg Computer Science Engineering Electrical Captain of Penn Electric Race Team School of Engineering at the University of Pennsylvania
Re: Wine Weekly News
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:23:10 -0500 Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kai, It was my pleasure :). Keep the interesting wine discussion/news coming and I'll keep writing WWNs. I'll also make note to highlight in particular GSoC developments as they happen. --Zach Hi everyone, I've been following the mailing lists for some time now, this is my first post. OK, presentation done... I also had to thank you bring to life the WWN, it's a great resource for those who don't actively follow the development discussions. -- Triton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
