Re: Running server applications under Wine?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Dan Kegel wrote: > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Sir Gallantmon > wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: > >> > What do you think about implementing wineserver kernel module or > >> > handling only performance critical items in kernel? > >> > >> There has long been talk of doing that. Linus is > >> even willing to take patches to implement win32 APIs > >> in the linux kernel. > >> But it turns out to not be what most people need. > > > > What do you mean by that? Wouldn't it be a good idea to be able to > support > > some parts of Wine in the kernel level to be more efficient? > > Of course. It's just hard, and it isn't needed for the things > we tend to use Wine for at the moment. Somebody actually > had a shot at implementing this back in 2000, see > http://lwn.net/2000/0914/a/lt-wine.php3 > And that work lives on, it seems, as a part of > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Kernel > So go try it out if you like (although I'm not sure > how safe it is for production). > > I think the Wine team doesn't need to worry about > that stuff; we have our hands full just making the > win32 userland work well. > - Dan > I would think that maybe the work Wine does for Direct3D could be moved into a state tracker for Gallium, that way it shouldn't be necessary to convert from Direct3D to OpenGL to make it work. I doubt Direct3D and OpenGL include equivalents for everything, so it might be a good idea to have for a SoC project to hook up Wine's D3D implementation into Gallium.
Re: Running server applications under Wine?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Sir Gallantmon wrote: > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: >> > What do you think about implementing wineserver kernel module or >> > handling only performance critical items in kernel? >> >> There has long been talk of doing that. Linus is >> even willing to take patches to implement win32 APIs >> in the linux kernel. >> But it turns out to not be what most people need. > > What do you mean by that? Wouldn't it be a good idea to be able to support > some parts of Wine in the kernel level to be more efficient? Of course. It's just hard, and it isn't needed for the things we tend to use Wine for at the moment. Somebody actually had a shot at implementing this back in 2000, see http://lwn.net/2000/0914/a/lt-wine.php3 And that work lives on, it seems, as a part of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Unified_Kernel So go try it out if you like (although I'm not sure how safe it is for production). I think the Wine team doesn't need to worry about that stuff; we have our hands full just making the win32 userland work well. - Dan
Re: Running server applications under Wine?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Dan Kegel wrote: > 임은지 wrote: > > > What do you think about implementing wineserver kernel module or handling > only performance critical items in kernel? > > There has long been talk of doing that. Linus is > even willing to take patches to implement win32 APIs > in the linux kernel. > But it turns out to not be what most people need. > > If you want to do some server performance stress testing > and file bugs for problems you find, by all means, go ahead! > - Dan > > > What do you mean by that? Wouldn't it be a good idea to be able to support some parts of Wine in the kernel level to be more efficient?
re: Running server applications under Wine?
임은지 wrote: > Is there anyone who uses Wine for server applications (game server, web > server, etc.)? It's been done. See e.g. http://www.fpsadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16481 for how one fellow ran a game server in wine. > Performance is very important issue for such applications. A server should > serve a large number of clients at reasonable speeds. Yes, it would be interesting to run ab or dkftpbench against an http or ftp server running on wine. > What do you think about implementing wineserver kernel module or handling > only performance critical items in kernel? There has long been talk of doing that. Linus is even willing to take patches to implement win32 APIs in the linux kernel. But it turns out to not be what most people need. If you want to do some server performance stress testing and file bugs for problems you find, by all means, go ahead! - Dan
Running server applications under Wine?
Is there anyone who uses Wine for server applications (game server, web server, etc.)? Performance is very important issue for such applications. A server should serve a large number of clients at reasonable speeds. What do you think about implementing wineserver kernel module or handling only performance critical items in kernel?
