Re: Wine release 1.1.9

2008-11-22 Thread Francois Gouget
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Alexandre Julliard wrote:
[...]
> The conformance aspect is of course important too,

I think the conformance aspect is the most important aspect of these 
tests. After all, verifying that Wine's behavior is as wrong in the new 
version as in the previous is pretty useless.


> but it's not their main use, as demonstrated by the number of failures 
> and todos we currently have.

That's why I think it's important to remind people of the true purpose 
of these tests every chance we get.


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Re: Wine release 1.1.9

2008-11-22 Thread Eric Pouech
Alexandre Julliard a écrit :
> Francois Gouget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008, Alexandre Julliard wrote:
>>
>>> The Wine development release 1.1.9 is now available.
>>>
>>> What's new in this release (see below for details):
>>>   - A large number of regression test fixes.
>> 
>>
>> Actually it's not regression tests, and it's not regression fixes.
>
> It's not regression fixes, it's fixes to the regression tests. And yes,
> they very much are regression tests, that's the reason I run them
> several times a day after applying patches. The conformance aspect is of
> course important too, but it's not their main use, as demonstrated by
> the number of failures and todos we currently have. So I'll continue to
> call them regression tests, if you don't mind ;-)
>
actually, *non* regression tests would be more appropriate... 

A+

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Re: Wine release 1.1.9

2008-11-22 Thread Alexandre Julliard
Francois Gouget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008, Alexandre Julliard wrote:
>
>> The Wine development release 1.1.9 is now available.
>> 
>> What's new in this release (see below for details):
>>   - A large number of regression test fixes.
>
> 
>
> Actually it's not regression tests, and it's not regression fixes.

It's not regression fixes, it's fixes to the regression tests. And yes,
they very much are regression tests, that's the reason I run them
several times a day after applying patches. The conformance aspect is of
course important too, but it's not their main use, as demonstrated by
the number of failures and todos we currently have. So I'll continue to
call them regression tests, if you don't mind ;-)

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Alexandre Julliard
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Re: Wine release 1.1.9

2008-11-21 Thread Francois Gouget
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008, Alexandre Julliard wrote:

> The Wine development release 1.1.9 is now available.
> 
> What's new in this release (see below for details):
>   - A large number of regression test fixes.



Actually it's not regression tests, and it's not regression fixes.

It's conformance tests, their main goal is to describe the Windows 
behavior, so that we can then know whether Wine _conforms_ to that 
behavior or not. And all (or almost all) of the fixes are so that the 
tests actually describe the Windows behavior.




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