Re[2]: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to officially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday
Hello Charles, (in Chicago, SBC DSL modems now come w/ WiFi CW access points turned on broadcasting away...sure, it's a convenience to the CW consumers, but I cannot but wonder if this is an insidious method of CW trashing 2.4 muni-wifi / wisp networks) We have a village of about 400 homes that has veriscum dsl with wireless AP's all over it now. You can pretty much stay connected anywhere in that town and stay on the verizon hotspot. No one needs a 200mw AP in their house IMO. Barry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected toofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday
Well..did you (or anyone for the matter) reply to the 3650 NPRM? -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Hamilton Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:34 AM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected toofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday This is why we need our own spectrum boy and girls I have seen a 40% increase in noise in my area. They all come from Linksys, D-link and others on my downtown tower. Bo Barry at Mutual Data wrote: Hello Charles, (in Chicago, SBC DSL modems now come w/ WiFi CW access points turned on broadcasting away...sure, it's a CW convenience to the consumers, but I cannot but wonder if this is an CW insidious method of trashing 2.4 muni-wifi / wisp networks) We have a village of about 400 homes that has veriscum dsl with wireless AP's all over it now. You can pretty much stay connected anywhere in that town and stay on the verizon hotspot. No one needs a 200mw AP in their house IMO. Barry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to officially propose DSL deregulationonThursday
Title: Message As an FYI - if you're planning on registering for WiNOG, use code WISPA05...you'll save $100 off your registration, and we (WiNOG) will donate $25 to WISPA (for eachregistration that uses that code) P.S. - due to a computer glitch, we've extended the early registration rate to this Friday -Charles ---WISPNOG Park City, UThttp://www.wispnog.comAugust 15-17, 2005 -Original Message-From: Brian Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:57 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to officially propose DSL deregulationonThursday Ah, But don't forget Craig McCaw and Clearwire. They have been quietly buying licenses and setting up to deploy wireless broadband nationwide. This guy built two major wireless empires before (Cellular One - sold it to ATT and Nextel). He will be ready to pounce on the market that gets caught high and dry. As far as backhaul, remember there is a lot of dark fiber in the US and other companies (Wiltel comes to mind)that provide big pipes and backhaul services. I know they aren't always where we need them but they can be of help. This group is made up of wireless operators, we can create backhauls and networks to get around this problem. It won't be easy and it won't be cheap but alas you could be free of the RBOC's. Seems like FiberTower might be in a good position to help out too. They certainly will be on many towers where your sites are, if not they should be within a backhaul shot to another tower that has connectivity. It's time to think outside the box again. If anyone can figure a way around this problem, this group can. Think of the possibilities of an RBOC free network, when the VOIP companies can't get traffic through other networks, where do you think they will go, can you say wholesale backhaul too? It's just going to take a lot of cooperation and group thinking. This will be a huge challenge for all of thesmall operators who are just able to keep up with their day to day operations. It does seem like the only way out in the long run. Might be a good time to attend the WISPBONE session at WINOG, this is exactly what will be discussed, it now has more urgency. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message-From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:06 PMTo: Dylan Oliver; WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to officially propose DSL deregulationonThursday AOL and Earthlinks don't need us. They will build their own. We just get more competition in the Wireless world. ILECs stop having competition, WISPs start having competition. The WISP indistry grows, but existing WISPs start to feel the squeeze. The independant ISP is our friend. Most likely if they die, its just a matter of time before we do. Should the vote go as planned in favor of the ILECs, it will once again be a sad day, like last FEB 2003. Sorta like in StarWars, when the Deathstar blew up Princess Leah's home planet as a demonstration of its power, feeling a super void in the force as millions of people were destroyed in a split second.Only ISP would be equivellent to the People on the planet that got destroyed. The truth is, probably nobody will noticeany difference initially when the vote happens, but slowly behind the scenes the effects will be seen stronger and stronger as time goes on, and eventually leveraged to the full advantage to wipe out independant competition. AS soon as you have 7000 indpendant ISPs, and the TOP 10 Giant ISPs like AOL and Earthlinks trying to deploy their own networks in unlicense, what do you think will happen? I can tell you the recent allocation of 3650 surely isn't enough to solve the problem that will quickly become apparent. Just my 2 cents. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc - Original Message - From: Dylan Oliver To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to officially propose DSL deregulation onThursday "If the vote goes according to Mr. Martin's plan, and the telecommunications companies find themselves free of the requirement that they open their broadband networks to competitors, it could have an immediate effect on ISPs such as America Online and EarthLink. This fall, they could find themselves scrambling for broadband alternatives. " How 'bout them alternatives? How you all doing on the build-out of your Open Provider Networks? Come on. AOL may need you! -- Forwarded
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected to officially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday
I feel that we are kind of self regulated, where as the big boys, when left unregulated, go crazy. Charles Wu wrote: snip If anyone recalls the argument I had with Charles Wu...about how I would NEVER surrender ownership of every part of my own network, from customer to carrier hotel if there was any way of keeping it... /snip So here's the caveat... If you refuse to be regulated, then you shouldn't complain when the FCC rewrites the rules and stops regulating phone/cable incumbents You can't have double standards - and they can always put up a super-mesh network and trash your spectrum (in Chicago, SBC DSL modems now come w/ WiFi access points turned on broadcasting away...sure, it's a convenience to the consumers, but I cannot but wonder if this is an insidious method of trashing 2.4 muni-wifi / wisp networks) -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expectedtoofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday
I am working with a guy to wholesale my network, and I know Marlon wholesales. Who else, I don't know. If left unregulated, how many of the bells would wholesale? Sure there are some idiots out there who don't know what they are doing, but they won't be around forever. I'd just bet more willful interference comes from SBCs 400mw wireless routers they hand out than from competition. Ok now Charles. Enough with the questions :) You know I'm new to this and not able to defend my statements very well. :) That being said, ask me some more, and we'll see if I can't come up with more answers that don't make sense are are easily challenged. I mostly comment based on intel I gather from various sites, forums, and lists. I just want to learn and contribute every time I feel i have knowledge or an opinion of value. Charles Wu wrote: snip Well, for the most part we look out for each other, don't step on each others toes, don't lock people out of our networks, ect. We don't need to be all regulated. We are doing a fine job as is. WISPs don't do the same things the bells do. Or maybe I don't exactly know what regulation means. /snip Er...I get almost a daily interference complaint from a WISP who is looking to sue an unscrupulous competitor for willful interference And how many WISPs would let a competitor on their network? -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expectedtoofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday Charles Wu wrote: How are WISPs self-regulated? -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected toofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday I feel that we are kind of self regulated, where as the big boys, when left unregulated, go crazy. Charles Wu wrote: snip If anyone recalls the argument I had with Charles Wu...about how I would NEVER surrender ownership of every part of my own network, from customer to carrier hotel if there was any way of keeping it... /snip So here's the caveat... If you refuse to be regulated, then you shouldn't complain when the FCC rewrites the rules and stops regulating phone/cable incumbents You can't have double standards - and they can always put up a super-mesh network and trash your spectrum (in Chicago, SBC DSL modems now come w/ WiFi access points turned on broadcasting away...sure, it's a convenience to the consumers, but I cannot but wonder if this is an insidious method of trashing 2.4 muni-wifi / wisp networks) -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCCexpected toofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi Put 04-151 in the top left box. After that it's easy. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Bo Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCCexpected toofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday Well I know Im going to get a spankin for this but no, I did not. If there is still time to reply I will. Could you send a link and I will reply to the NPRM today. Thanks Bo Charles Wu wrote: Well..did you (or anyone for the matter) reply to the 3650 NPRM? -Charles --- WISPNOG Park City, UT http://www.wispnog.com August 15-17, 2005 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Hamilton Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:34 AM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: FCC expected toofficially proposeDSLderegulationonThursday This is why we need our own spectrum boy and girls I have seen a 40% increase in noise in my area. They all come from Linksys, D-link and others on my downtown tower. Bo Barry at Mutual Data wrote: Hello Charles, (in Chicago, SBC DSL modems now come w/ WiFi CW access points turned on broadcasting away...sure, it's a CW convenience to the consumers, but I cannot but wonder if this is an CW insidious method of trashing 2.4 muni-wifi / wisp networks) We have a village of about 400 homes that has veriscum dsl with wireless AP's all over it now. You can pretty much stay connected anywhere in that town and stay on the verizon hotspot. No one needs a 200mw AP in their house IMO. Barry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] more grounding related questions
I am installing some new rb532's w/ shielded cat5, I have a couple of options, using shielded connectors all the way to the rb532 connector itself, this would connect the rb532 ground to the cat5 sheild and tower ground but I'm wondering if I should only ground it at the antenna itself on the tower and not on the ground in fear of a ground loop? Any thoughts, how folks ground/connecting the shielded cat5? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 08/03/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
