[WISPA] Back to the hurricaine......A time to focus
Hey MacDon't worry. President Bush will be there on Friday and make everything better. He would have been there sooner but he had a fund raiser scheduled for tonight and another one tomorrow. :-) Relax everyone. That was a joke. I'm a stupid Republican too. Don't jump up and down. Let's keep this near topic. And more good news.The govt just released a part of the strategic oil reserve to help with the fuel situation down there. They say the main reason for this was due to the inability to move oil into the refineries. What they failed to mention was that the refineries in the region are still shut down and are not expected to be up to production levels until next week. I bet by then the oil will be flowing again. If nothin more it will mean more gas for me. Sure won't help the poor people of Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana much. Amazing. On a serious note.. Having been through 9-11 here in NY I can imagine the devastation that is down there. What I can't comprehend is why the President is not there NOW and has not mobilized all available armed forces to the region. We (America) reportedly sent close to One Billion Dollars to Israel to Compensate those that were displaced by the Gazza Strip situation In The Name Of Peace. Those that left house behind will be paid money for their houses that they vacated. Any idea what we could do with a billion dollars now??? Buildings are damaged and under water. Every one of those houses in the area needs to be systematically searched and marked on the outside once searched. There are tens of thousands of buildings to search. Houses that are under water each need to have their roof cut open to verify no one is in the attic of these locations. That takes time and resources. It's in the 90's there. And it's sunny. Surely you guys (and gals) have been in an attic in the summer. 15 minutes and you are ready to die. There ARE people still in those attics and have been there for days. And they are dying. If they are still alive they are hungry, tired, scared and in need of medical care. Many who stayed behind are elderly or impoverished which makes them vulnerable to begin with. Those that went to shelters (there was a reported 25,000 people in the Superdome alone) were not alloowed to bring their pets with them. that means dogs, cats, etc were left behind before the storm and had to fend for themselves. Many of them are dead and floating. The others are hungry and/or injured. There is no electric. No A/C. No running clean water. No telephone. Cellular service is extremely spotty. Most communications is down because the flooding does not allow the transportation of fuel to the tower generators. The ones that are above the water line anyways. Things will deteriorate rapidly now. The levees are breached and water is filling downtown New Orleans. The looting has begun. The food supply is winding down. Tensions will get higher and soon weapons will be involved. The order to evacuate all of New Orleans was given. You know what that means?? They are not sending supplies to the city. They are removing the people and taking them (hopefully) to the supplies. I think the last thing they need right now is Internet service. They need money, tents, food, clothing, medical supplies, motuary services, water, fuel, boats, etc. They need some place to live. They need people to volunteer to search, cook, clean up, transport supplies, etc. After the Florida hurricaines last year I received several requests for my services in the area from customers and manufacturers. They came in the first 48 hours after the storm. Ya know how many I got this time??? None. I have talked with other guys in the region and with the exception of some small companies that lost towers and such, they also have received no requests. That means there is nothing to fix. Or nothing left to fix. Most of all the people in this region need our prays. So if you can't go and help..If you ate a nice breakfast this moring, drove your car to work in the air condioning, took a nice shower or just slept in a bed last night that was dry and comfortable...Be thankful and pray for those that didn't. And hug your family and tell them you love themBecause many no longer can. Life is too short. Live it like it is your last day. God Bless -B- Mac Dearman wrote: There is no one to serve internet to in New Orleans but FEMA and the work crews and I am sure that the Feds have satellite set up. New Orleans has been issued orders for COMPLETE evacuation. They are moving all the folks out of the shelters to higher ground (refugee camps) North of New Orleans City limits. It will be many months before anyone will be allowed back into New Orleans. Water is still pouring into town as we speak due to levee breaches and is expected to have 9' of water downtown before it quits coming across the levee. A soup bowl cant hold but so much soup. -- -- WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Back to the hurricaine......A time to focus
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:41:10 -0400, Bob Moldashel wrote Hey MacDon't worry. President Bush will be there on Friday and make everything better. He would have been there sooner but he had a fund raiser scheduled for tonight and another one tomorrow. :-) Relax everyone. That was a joke. I'm a stupid Republican too. Don't jump up and down. Let's keep this near topic. And more good news.The govt just released a part of the strategic oil reserve to help with the fuel situation down there. They say the main reason for this was due to the inability to move oil into the refineries. What they failed to mention was that the refineries in the region are still shut down and are not expected to be up to production levels until next week. I bet by then the oil will be flowing again. If nothin more it will mean more gas for me. Sure won't help the poor people of Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana much. Amazing. There's plenty of fuel in some parts of the country. Here in the NW, most of our fuel comes from alaska and Montana and Wyoming. And hug your family and tell them you love themBecause many no longer can. Life is too short. Live it like it is your last day. God Bless Good advice. -B- Mac Dearman wrote: There is no one to serve internet to in New Orleans but FEMA and the work crews and I am sure that the Feds have satellite set up. New Orleans has been issued orders for COMPLETE evacuation. They are moving all the folks out of the shelters to higher ground (refugee camps) North of New Orleans City limits. It will be many months before anyone will be allowed back into New Orleans. Water is still pouring into town as we speak due to levee breaches and is expected to have 9' of water downtown before it quits coming across the levee. A soup bowl cant hold but so much soup. I am and have been thinking about those ON higher ground already. Baton Rouge, for instance, has power and everything...but outlying areas southward do not. Let's think about this... Idaho has a population of 1.36 million people. Imagine Idaho, twice, instantly homeless, jobless, without resources. Even if you can return to where your home was...what will you do? But these hundreds of thousands who have nowhere, nobody, nothing... Many of them need to find family, places to go, etc. And this is where we could help. And then, those communities that are getting back together, but need phone, and some help finding stuff. It takes at least 5 support people for every hundred, just so they can eat, drink, etc. And not to minimize what's being done by the Red Cross and countless organizations, government and private, but we're unique, in that we can do what nobody else c an do easily. The HAM radio guys are mobilized in considerable numbers, to try to help people find thier families and whatnot, by patching in phone service from places its working. We ARE behind the curve on this... but I will suggest now, that WISPA form a disaster strike team. In future years, I'll donate and volunteer for it... that goes and provides information services to ANYWHERE under any conditions, and that we cultivate a relationship with FEMA and the state governments. Every WISP I know is a can do type of person. We're bucking the trends, carving out uniquely to do what others can't. We have something incredibly valuable to offer, and we should. I have ot tell you that the launch of my business was delayed 2 years, partly because of issues relating to my education and so on, but also because me and my wife donated so much of our time and money to helping others. Some years we have given in money and time (lost income) more than it took to get my business off the ground. What I can offer to help others is changing...and I feel an obligation - a God-given one... to do what I can. I'm not a firefigher, soldier, pilot, EMT, cop... etc... But what I can do... I would like to do. Im sure many of you out there feel the same. But we should only do...if, and when ,and what, is needed. Let those who know say what's needed, but we can't be asked, if what we can do isn't even known about. Mark -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re[2]: [WISPA] Back to the hurricaine......A time to focus
Hello Mark, Excellent post Mark, I think a database should be put together that can list what is available and what people can bring into a situation like this. For example- 2 installers plus bucket truck (30 foot height) Tower climber w/ safety equipment- up to 200 foot structure 2.4ghz 24db grid antennas Breezecom radios AP10/WB10 pair Gas Generator model xyz etc etc. I got thinking about what we could do here in Mid-Michigan, and as long as the right structures are standing I could go 100 plus miles with some decent bandwidth. I think the idea to setup VOIP outside the damaged areas to help people get communications to the outside world would be extremely important. Something that FEMA and other agencies will not be putting high on the list at this stage since rescue is still in place. Barry Wednesday, August 31, 2005, 1:46:23 PM, you wrote: w On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:41:10 -0400, Bob Moldashel wrote Hey MacDon't worry. President Bush will be there on Friday and make everything better. He would have been there sooner but he had a fund raiser scheduled for tonight and another one tomorrow. :-) Relax everyone. That was a joke. I'm a stupid Republican too. Don't jump up and down. Let's keep this near topic. And more good news.The govt just released a part of the strategic oil reserve to help with the fuel situation down there. They say the main reason for this was due to the inability to move oil into the refineries. What they failed to mention was that the refineries in the region are still shut down and are not expected to be up to production levels until next week. I bet by then the oil will be flowing again. If nothin more it will mean more gas for me. Sure won't help the poor people of Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana much. Amazing. w There's plenty of fuel in some parts of the country. Here in the NW, most of w our fuel comes from alaska and Montana and Wyoming. And hug your family and tell them you love themBecause many no longer can. Life is too short. Live it like it is your last day. God Bless w Good advice. -B- Mac Dearman wrote: -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: opportunity to help (was Re: [WISPA] Hurricane? - worsethanmediasays)
Yikes guys! Let me know if there's something I can do. I'm not ready to ship gear that you may or may not need, nor am I ready to send money that'll go places I may not want it to go. Send me something specific and I'll see what I can come up with. Good luck and God speed. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:46 AM Subject: RE: opportunity to help (was Re: [WISPA] Hurricane? - worsethanmediasays) Sorry for not elaborating - The Feds called for anyone with an aluminum flat and motor to assist in rescue efforts (the aluminum flats will be used to remove the floating corpse of any dead human or animal they come across) the Fed / Coast Guard / National Guard resources will be used for the actual rescue efforts - They are trying to prevent the outbreak of disease / plague / etc. What happens when Grass / Weeds / Plants are under water is - after day 1 - they start to rot (we go float fishing here a lot after heavy rains) When this happens - all of the oxygen is eliminated from the water - Fish / frogs / anything amphibious starts to die.. What will happen is if we come across survivors - we will radio in their coords to a cental location - drop off water / food and then move on to our hunt for the dead. This is really fuckin depressing - pardon my french, but needs to be done. They are expecting it to take atleast 2 months AFTER the water starts to recede to pump off the water around New Orleans and surrounding areas. There will be NO FIX for the levees being breached or broken unfortunately - but they will make a last ditch effort. Regardless of what the MEDIA is saying - and being told - New Orleans is experiencing the Fish Bowl effect that everyone hoped wouldn't happen - The Dodged the bullet was a false statement and anyone who has absolutely any clue realizes just how tragic this will end up being In the long run. To put it simply - a MAJOR city in the US has just been wiped off of the map completely... JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:25 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: opportunity to help (was Re: [WISPA] Hurricane? - worse thanmediasays) Matt - unfortunately - within 3-4 days there will be nothing but Military/Coast Guard/Red Cross /Disease prevention crews and Federal agencies. I am leaving tomorrow afternoon - I have 20+ Friends that have been asked to go remove bodies. I will be out of touch for 3-5 days and will report to the list once we get back.. JohnnyO -Original Message- f From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: opportunity to help (was Re: [WISPA] Hurricane? - worse than mediasays) Is there any way some of us other WISPs can show up with some infrastructure and save the day? Could be a good opportunity to help some people and do some good marketing WISPs at the same time. -Matt Mac Dearman wrote: The word from an RN ( personal friend) that is working at the SuperDome said that they are moving the living out and moving the dead in. They said that they are out of body bags - - - - - it will be thousands dead from the sound of it just in the NOLA area- - - - Man - this is unreal. If you are a praying person - - - - - today is the day to remember these folks There are so many that havent been heard from, so many missing, so many that are without anything today. I am currently at my moms house and she has a house full of people. Only one couple is kin to us and the rest are refugees from New Orleans. The POTS lines here are non functional as it is jammed up and all you get is a recording stating that all circuits are busy I have VOIP phones and they work great as they arent Dependant on the PSTN in this area. Its just about the only dependable phone service up here today. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Back to the hurricaine......A time to focus
Sorry I did not post a reply until now. I just got the opportunity to sit in front of a PC. I want to thank you'll for all the E-Mails I got of support. I really needed that. Its extremly hard to sit down an even just type something about this Hurricane. It has been a nightmare to say the least for all of us on the Gulf Coast. All of my family is alive and I am so thankfull for that. The mental effects that this has on one is unimaginable. At first I thought it was just me but everyone I talk to just begins to break down when they realize the reality of what is going on. I am determined to get past this and find the strength to be back in action as soon as I can get back home. They are talking maybe three months to even drive into New Orleans. I am at my Wifes cousins house and Shrevport and just wish all of the other people were as fortunate as I to have a roof over there head. Thanks for the offers of help!! Its the things such as that, that help us keep strong! Joe Laura Sent via the WebMail system at superior1.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
