Re: [WISPA] Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrum foremergency responders
Auction, I hate that evil word. Really guys, if there is any time to hammer congressional legislators and Home land security personelle, NOW is the time. Before our precious spectrum is auctioned off to the special interets. Auctioning off 700Mhz to a major IELC could be the death of independent rural WISPs. I got an idea, why don't they give the FULL 700Mhz to the 700 ISPs, spread out decentrally across the country, and in trade all 7000 WISPs will give FREE access / priority access to public safety officials as needed. (except public safety buy's their own CPEs). Instantly the staff of 7000 ISPs across the country available for disaster relief. it would be like the Navy reserves but instead the WISP reserves. Basically anyone that is granted a non-exclusive license of 700Mhz must first register as a volunteer emergency communications AID, and conform to guidelines for documenting configuration criteria for the public safety workers. Why not AVOID the whole expendature althogeather for the governement, and still accomplish public safety, when WISP can already donate the service? Better yet, why not jsut grant the public safety budget to WISPs to expand their network, to accommodate public safety needs. Lets see the RUS grant get substituted with the Public safety grant. But auction? I don't see how that could benefit anyone. Communications is a necessary utility, not a luxury to auction off for a special interest. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: George [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrum foremergency responders Snip/ Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrum for emergency responders came after Senators John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) called for Congress to move forward on legislation that would free up radio spectrum by requiring television stations to switch from analog to digital broadcasts. A move to digital television (DTV) would free up spectrum in the upper 700-MHz radio frequency band for commercial and public safety uses. The FCC has said it would give 24 MHz of that spectrum to public safety users and auction off 60 MHz for commercial uses. /snip http://www.networkworld.com/edge/news/2005/092205-fcc-katrina.html?nlcode=nledgenewsalert7636 I got an idea, why don't they just open it up to wisps all across the country, let us use ths spectrum for what we are now doing and then in the event of another disaster, there will already be gear in place to keep everyone going? George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Lightning protecting WRAPs
What are people doing for WRAP board lightning protection? Basically the WRAP board has a part that blows up, if it receives more than 21 Volts to its DC input. So a typical CAT5 Lightning protector that protects the DC pairs at only 35V, 50V or 60V would pretty much be useless for protecting the WRAP over the DC lines. Any Protectors on the market that start to clamp at 20V DC? I'm guessing most people are just going without lightning protections, and settling for UPS protection on the AC line? What about the COAX/antenna side? If installing the WRAP radio up on a tower, with an external antenna with a 3 foot Caox cable to it, are you guys, springing for the COAX lighting protector? For a several 10 ft run down a tower, of course the COAX protection should be used, but for a 3 ft run? I like the WRAP boards, but the 21V max tolerance, I think could end up being a major flaw for wide scale deployment. What are others finding? I like the design of the Mikrotik 532's better, but to standardize on it, I need to know that there is more than one distributor/reseller of the product nationwide. Hopefully the production will improve once the product becomes more mainstream. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik and VLANs
Has anyone tested Mikrotik's VLAN support over the Wireless ports (Atheros) for large packet support (1500 bytes + additional bytes for VLAN )? I know that you can't layer VLAN on top of two pre-existed bridged ports, its a limitation of Linux. But you can bridge a VLAN interface/port to another interface without a problem. The question is can one of those two ports be a Atheros wifi port? I need the support to be supported on unots at both sides of the link, AP and SU. Example config Cell router provision clients to route to VLAN -- Out a Trango AP. In a Trango SU -- Trango Ethernet direct to Ethernet on WRAP, and WRAPboard w/ Atheros configured as AP. Note: must pass 1504 byte packets. In a WRAPBoard w/Atheros configured as Subscriber -- Must pass VLAN 1504 packets. Out WRAP Ethernet port --- SMC VLAN Switch. SMC set to untag VLAN port going to customer's suite, and Tag packets comming from custoemr's suites. Multiple tenants and VLANs behind SMC switch. Ultimately the plan, is to replace the WRAP board and SMC switch with a single Mikrotik 532 board w/ 6 port Ethrnet Daughterboard. 532 board would then become a SMART VLAN switch, and do the tagging and untagging. So the question is, can this configuration be supported across the Wifi interfaces? If not, anyone available tommorrow on a consultant basis, to test this configuration for me? If so contact me off list. Also on a side note: Anyone successfully get a Station Server client to talk to a Mikrotik AP using WPA encryption? So far ahve not been successful in gettin them to talk, although WEP worked fine between devices. Using CM9s for testing, and WRAP E boards w/ 2 eth ports. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Martin's call for more radio frequencyspectrumforemergency responders Does any one have a spare Mikrotik 532, for sale? From what I heard they are still about a month out on availabilty. I'd love to get a jump on one, so that we can pre-test our OS on it, while we are waiting for volume product to come in. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrum foremergency responders
[not reading this list regularly, but tom hit a nerve]: tom et al caida (www.caida.org) is an internet data analysis/research organization whose mission includes informing public policy, aimed toward improving policy 'toward congruence' with our best empirical (scientifically grounded) understanding of the relevant technological issues/constraints/parameters. i am no expert on spectrum policy, but afaict the difference between having huge effect and having no effect is sufficiently formalized reporting/analysis of Real World Operational Experiences (this means you), written in way that will convey to scientists (this means me), as well as to the public, what happens when technology gets deployed in reality. one underutilized option is collaborating with university researchers to quantitatively document (1) potential deliverables under various regulatory scenaraios (2) successes and failures under existing regulatory scenarios. caida Really wants to help support forward motion here, but we are desperately lacking hard data. emergency situations are obviously not the time to talk about research, but i want to make it clear that if you still don't have what you want by the time this emergency is over, please don't underestimate the value of hard data and careful articulation of the experiences you have had, so that scientists can come in and help compile them into comprehensive and unassailable demonstrations to their funding agencies of why change is essential. i believe the right kind of analyses/reporting could reduce the length of this fight from 10 years to 2. (ok, maybe 20 to 4...) but the research community and the deployment communities are going to have to [find time and resources] to work together. we've never needed eachother more. k On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:18:55PM -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: Auction, I hate that evil word. Really guys, if there is any time to hammer congressional legislators and Home land security personelle, NOW is the time. Before our precious spectrum is auctioned off to the special interets. Auctioning off 700Mhz to a major IELC could be the death of independent rural WISPs. I got an idea, why don't they give the FULL 700Mhz to the 700 ISPs, spread out decentrally across the country, and in trade all 7000 WISPs will give FREE access / priority access to public safety officials as needed. (except public safety buy's their own CPEs). Instantly the staff of 7000 ISPs across the country available for disaster relief. it would be like the Navy reserves but instead the WISP reserves. Basically anyone that is granted a non-exclusive license of 700Mhz must first register as a volunteer emergency communications AID, and conform to guidelines for documenting configuration criteria for the public safety workers. Why not AVOID the whole expendature althogeather for the governement, and still accomplish public safety, when WISP can already donate the service? Better yet, why not jsut grant the public safety budget to WISPs to expand their network, to accommodate public safety needs. Lets see the RUS grant get substituted with the Public safety grant. But auction? I don't see how that could benefit anyone. Communications is a necessary utility, not a luxury to auction off for a special interest. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: George [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrum foremergency responders Snip/ Martin's call for more radio frequency spectrum for emergency responders came after Senators John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Conrad Burns (R-Mont.) called for Congress to move forward on legislation that would free up radio spectrum by requiring television stations to switch from analog to digital broadcasts. A move to digital television (DTV) would free up spectrum in the upper 700-MHz radio frequency band for commercial and public safety uses. The FCC has said it would give 24 MHz of that spectrum to public safety users and auction off 60 MHz for commercial uses. /snip http://www.networkworld.com/edge/news/2005/092205-fcc-katrina.html?nlcode=nledgenewsalert7636 I got an idea, why don't they just open it up to wisps all across the country, let us use ths spectrum for what we are now doing and then in the event of another disaster, there will already be gear in place to keep everyone going? George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database:
