RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
I did it to expose the problems associated with 802.11b/g which is a technology that was NOT designed for what it is being used for today. I think several people on the list realized what tricks can be done with the SSID and now they are smarter because I posted it. The whole point of the post is that you need to use a proprietary solution that was designed for WISP usage. If you were a professional WISP you would be using such solution and thus YOU and YOUR customers would not be subject to someone doing this to you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP Kurt Your killing me. This has to be the lowest underhanded thing I've heard on these list from a fellow wisp. The goal to win is a fine goal, but winning by cheating is not a win at all, it's an admission of failure. You need to understand that integrity and success go hand in hand. Shaking my head. George And I only let you off lightly because your a young kid, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant figure out why it doesnt work, keeps them from signing up clients in my area. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route based on Virtual AP SSID Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a wholesale level... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They call the competitor who says, We don't do that. Then what, do you get called by the competitor? I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help you? I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the future. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! *-- Original Message ---* From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do DSL) :) I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a local computer guy that likes to see his name in the air - the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit because of the virtual ssid's ... R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a Virtual AP with a secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so you can access the CPE with the old ssid. I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for business customers. I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you create a bunch of APs on one radio. I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on an AP, and set up 40 virtual AP's on the network with each client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me to kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE? Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time Division Multiplexing. Pete Davis NoDial.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
The downside of proprietary systems is the being 'held hostage' to the one manufacture As some of us have already discovered. And just because you have a network based on 'proprietary system', don't think you are 'safe'. You are not. Blair Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I did it to expose the problems associated with 802.11b/g which is a technology that was NOT designed for what it is being used for today. I think several people on the list realized what tricks can be done with the SSID and now they are smarter because I posted it. The whole point of the post is that you need to use a proprietary solution that was designed for WISP usage. If you were a professional WISP you would be using such solution and thus YOU and YOUR customers would not be subject to someone doing this to you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP Kurt Your killing me. This has to be the lowest underhanded thing I've heard on these list from a fellow wisp. The goal to win is a fine goal, but winning by cheating is not a win at all, it's an admission of failure. You need to understand that integrity and success go hand in hand. Shaking my head. George And I only let you off lightly because your a young kid, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within mile of each other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant figure out why it doesnt work, keeps them from signing up clients in my area. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route based on Virtual AP SSID Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a wholesale level... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then what, do you get called by the competitor? I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help you? I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the future. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! *-- Original Message ---* From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do DSL) :) I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" - the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit because of the virtual ssid's ... R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid. I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared
[WISPA] Looking for Trango
Well it appears that Trango has done another flip flop on us. I called Electro-Comm this morning to order some FSU's and found that Electro-Comm, as well as all other Trango resellers are no longer selling Trango, it is now back to factory direct. If anyone has any new/used and working 5830 or Fox subscriber units that they would like to sell, please hit me off list. Happy Holidays, Victoria Proffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 314-974-5600 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
I still rest better at night knowing my network doesn't show up in every teenager's copy of Netstumbler.. - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP The downside of proprietary systems is the being 'held hostage' to the one manufacture As some of us have already discovered.And just because you have a network based on 'proprietary system', don't think you are 'safe'. You are not.BlairKurt Fankhauser wrote: I did it to expose the problems associated with 802.11b/g which is a technology that was NOT designed for what it is being used for today. I think several people on the list realized what tricks can be done with the SSID and now they are smarter because I posted it. The whole point of the post is that you need to use a proprietary solution that was designed for WISP usage. If you were a professional WISP you would be using such solution and thus YOU and YOUR customers would not be subject to someone doing this to you. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of George Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP Kurt Your killing me. This has to be the lowest underhanded thing I've heard on these list from a fellow wisp. The goal to win is a fine goal, but winning by cheating is not a win at all, it's an admission of failure. You need to understand that integrity and success go hand in hand. Shaking my head. George And I only let you off lightly because your a young kid, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant figure out why it doesnt work, keeps them from signing up clients in my area. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route based on Virtual AP SSID Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a wholesale level... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then what, do you get called by the competitor? I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name help you? I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the future. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net/ The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! *-- Original Message ---* From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only do DSL) :) I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to a local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" - the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit because of the virtual ssid's ... R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid. I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on the
Re: [WISPA] anyone ever heard of an Airvast ap?
Marlon, Google "Airvast Technology", Taiwan Co., claim to be the "World Leader in Wireless"-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 09:43 PMTo: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.comCc: 'Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization'Subject: [WISPA] anyone ever heard of an Airvast ap?thanks!marlon-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount
2" water pipe. It'll be heavy but it'll get you up there. 21' long. laters, Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Scott Reed To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [WISPA] Utility pole mount I need to mount a 24dB grid 15' above the top of an existing privately owned utility pole. Any suggestions on bracket, mast, etc.? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] anyone have SCADA expertise?
I have a water tower near one of my 900Mhz ap's that's causing me a lot of interference due to the water company's SCADA stuff. Does anyone know if the devices they use have channel control in terms of switching channels within 900Mhz or are they all over the place all the time. I have a sense the water company might do some channel management with me, but I wanted to know if their equipment had that capability before I made the enquiry. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP
Lol, churchofwifi.org look at this group of war drivers they seem to be hung up on linksys, outdoor linksys enclosure's and other consumer grade wifi boxes. Check out the War Driving rig. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Haudy Kazemi Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP It might interest people here that Kismet is no longer a Linux-only software. There is now KisWin... http://www.renderlab.net/projects/wrt54g/kiswin.html The caveat is it requires a Linksys WRT54G or WRT54GS or similar to perform the scanning (as a wireless receiver), and the Windows PC displays the output. One should avoid WRT54G version 5 (serial numbers starting with CDFB) (it has half the flash and ram as earlier versions (2mb/8mb), and runs VxWorks) and latest WRT54GS (serial numbers starting with CGN60) (it has half the flash and ram as before (4mb/16mb)). BTW, linksysinfo.org has a review article that compares all the versions of the WRT54G's. At 11:10 AM 12/29/2005 -0500, you wrote: I've never played around with Kismet...does it show Trango? - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP Hello Brett, But it does show up in Kismet. Barry Thursday, December 29, 2005, 10:52:01 AM, you wrote: BH I still rest better at night knowing my network doesn't show BH up in every teenager's copy of Netstumbler.. BH - Original Message - BH From: Blair Davis BH To: WISPA General List BH Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:43AM BH Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP BH The downside of proprietary systems is the being 'held BH hostage'to the one manufacture As some of us have already BH discovered. BH And just because you have a network based on 'proprietary BH system', don't think you are 'safe'. You arenot. BH Blair BH Kurt Fankhauser wrote: BH I did it to expose the problems associated with 802.11b/g which is a BH technology that was NOT designed for what it is being used for today. I BH think several people on the list realized what tricks can be done with BH the SSID and now they are smarter because I posted it. The whole point BH of the post is that you need to use a proprietary solution that was BH designed for WISP usage. If you were a professional WISP you would be BH using such solution and thus YOU and YOUR customers would not be subject BH to someone doing this to you. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone have SCADA expertise?
Much of the SCADA system was Frequency Hopping (all over the place). A good combat for thatis a radios that supports ARQ. Also, use Horizontal pol as much as possible. Doesn't mean there aren't DSSS ones. Most of the SCADA systems I thought used narrow channels, and didn't take a lot of bandwdith. You should definatelycontact them, to discuss if you know who you are interfering with.The FCC has also requested that we as WISPs work hard to work with the local power companies that we interfer with. They are the biggest entities fighting to limitus using higher power limits in 900. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brett Hays To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Cc: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] anyone have SCADA expertise? I have a water tower near one of my 900Mhz ap's that's causing me a lot of interference due to the water company's SCADA stuff. Does anyone know if the devices they use have channel control in terms of switching channels within 900Mhz or are they all over the place all the time. I have a sense the water company might do some channel management with me, but I wanted to know if their equipment had that capability before I made the enquiry. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: verizon fios - Advertising Battle
John: In years previous, the telcos had whittled away at UNE to the point that if they deployed advanced services in the last mile - read fiber, even an inch of it in the neighborhood cable vault (and the rest remained copper), then the telcos didn't have to share. But if there was a copper loop from the home/business to the CO, UNE applied. That was then. But with a recent Federal appeals court ruling, UNE is no more. There is NO legal requirement for telcos to share their copper at ALL. Telcos have PRIVATE agreements to share the copper loop - Verizon just reached one with Covad, but now it's ENTIRELY at the OPTION of the telcos. For you that are working with telcos, usually smaller ones, that don't seem inclined to take advantage of this leverage, count your blessings - they may well be fleeting. The FCC wrangled something of a concession that the telcos wouldn't make major changes in existing UNE arrangements until June 2006. But after June, the gloves are completely off. A lot of ISP business models will be completely wrecked. You guys haven't been going to enough conferences and listening to very bright people like Kris Twomey try and explain such things to the (W)ISP industry. Shame on that Michael Anderson for putting Kris up in front of an audience to try to keep the WISP industry informed. Thanks, Steve On Dec 28, 2005, at 06:54, John Scrivner wrote: Can you explain this statement for me? Excuse my lack of knowledge here. What are you referring to as a MSA? Also let us hear a little more detail about this statement please. I thought if the service drop was used to deliver phone service that the telco had to allow UNE access to the line. This has changed? I knew it had gone away in terms of access to advanced broadband facilities like DSLAMs and such but I thought the RBOCs still had to give up access to subscriber lines regardless of the media? Please elaborate. Thank you, Scriv --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Local Media Coverage for Katrina GIS Response Vehicle
Hi Folks, Happy New Year. For those who had the chance to help out during the Katrina response and met Anthony Veltri with his mobile GIS lab, here is a local TV report on his van and the response http://www.turnto10.com/news/5695464/detail.html, you need to allow pop ups to view the video. He has also published a book with all of his photos from his trip. Most of the photos are the same ones from his blog of the adventure. Thank You, Brian Webster -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP
Since when kismet scans and shows proprietary wireless protocols ? Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Hays Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 12:11 PM To: Barry at Mutual Data; WISPA General List Subject: Re: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP I've never played around with Kismet...does it show Trango? - Original Message - From: Barry at Mutual Data [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: Re[2]: [WISPA] Virtual AP Hello Brett, But it does show up in Kismet. Barry Thursday, December 29, 2005, 10:52:01 AM, you wrote: BH I still rest better at night knowing my network doesn't show BH up in every teenager's copy of Netstumbler.. BH - Original Message - BH From: Blair Davis BH To: WISPA General List BH Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:43AM BH Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP BH The downside of proprietary systems is the being 'held BH hostage'to the one manufacture As some of us have already BH discovered. BH And just because you have a network based on 'proprietary BH system', don't think you are 'safe'. You arenot. BH Blair BH Kurt Fankhauser wrote: BH I did it to expose the problems associated with 802.11b/g which is a BH technology that was NOT designed for what it is being used for today. I BH think several people on the list realized what tricks can be done with BH the SSID and now they are smarter because I posted it. The whole point BH of the post is that you need to use a proprietary solution that was BH designed for WISP usage. If you were a professional WISP you would be BH using such solution and thus YOU and YOUR customers would not be subject BH to someone doing this to you. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone have SCADA expertise?
I've heard most SCADA stories about how they use all kinds of watts to go a mile or two. Most of the time all it takes is showing them how to do a link and not over power the crap out of everything. (from what I have heard) Brett Hays wrote: I have a water tower near one of my 900Mhz ap's that's causing me a lot of interference due to the water company's SCADA stuff. Does anyone know if the devices they use have channel control in terms of switching channels within 900Mhz or are they all over the place all the time. I have a sense the water company might do some channel management with me, but I wanted to know if their equipment had that capability before I made the enquiry. -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Requesting board member contact
I would like to be contacted off list by one of the board members of WISPA. Rudy Worrell Wave2Net High Speed Internet www.Wave2Net.com - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] AIRlok
Has anyone deployed the AIRlok (WISP-in-a-box) product? And if so, what do you think of it? Thanks Rick Schlander MRVNet Minnesota River Valley Network -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing
Not all equipment can do it, but at least Cisco APs can. At layer 2 using WDS, you can hand off from 1 AP to another while using VOIP and not lose the connection-it's less than 50 ms. If you want to do layer 3, it'll cost a bunch of money because the WLSM blade is $18,000 for the Catalyst 6500. Cisco just released their Mesh stuff, and it is also supposed to roam cleanly. We are anxiously awaitng our hardware to start testing, but if it works as advertised, it will be quite sweet. The Mesh units use 5.x GHz for backhaul and 2.4 GHz for access. John Matt Liotta wrote: FYI, when I visited the FCC, they were very specific that Wi-Fi cannot roam. Wi-Fi users can be nomadic in that as they move from AP to AP the client is disconnected and then reconnected. True roaming involves handoffs from node to node like on a cell network. Specifically, a cell phone actually makes a new connection and initiates the handoff. Wi-Fi clients are rather dumb and don't have this ability. The difference is related to maintaining state on any network connections, which is especially important for VoIP and VPN. -Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, we don't use WIFI, it is strictly a fixed wireless network at this point -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing Is your wireless network set up to allow roaming? You can't roam with fiber John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah but what about the new customer who is comparing FIOS to what I offer? FIOS will have tv and voip ( we do voip now but no tv ) Times are a changing and verizon is putting flyers on everything around boston, ma to promote FIOS, like pizza box's, dry cleaning slips etc Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing It is reasons like this that I am a firm believer in contracts! -B- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps $179.95 - $199.95 -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
