[WISPA] USF filing issues

[Ron Wallace]

 
To All,
 
Come-on you Guys, lets give Marlon some support here.  For God Sake, he has a business to run as well as all of us.  And puts in more time on FCC issues than any of us.  And I paid my WISPA dues.
 
Marlon,  I support the filing that you prepared. You worked hard on it I know, and I agree with your assessment.  File it for WISPA!  And if it is urgent do it Today!
 
Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[WISPA] Tranzeo SNMP OID's

[Bob Knight]

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See http://forums.cacti.net/about12851.html and
http://forums.cacti.net/about12438.html.

See also
http://asn1.elibel.tm.fr/cgi-bin/oid/display?oid=iso.2.840.10036.1&submit=Display&action=display
for the iso section. iso.2.840.10036 appears to be a standard? and
perhaps Tranzeo complied.

FWIW.

Bob


See my comments embedded...
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants?

[Jory Privett]

I just faxed the form for my area

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: "KyWiFi LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants?


Hi Dylan,

Here is the e-mail I originally sent to the P15 list which contains links
to their state notices for the states I could find them associated with.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  
- - -
Anyone heard of Open Range Communications Inc.?
They have applied for RUS grant money in numerous cities
throughout the country. Below are a few links to their notices
that I have found however, based on search engine results,
it appears as though they have also applied for RUS funds in
Kentucky, Florida and Virginia as well. I know that there are
a couple cities in our coverage area that they have applied for
RUS money to construct their own facilities in so I'll be filing
the necessary paperwork with RDUP in hopes that their
application for those two areas is declined. I am unable to locate
where they are based or their contact information. I searched
bbb.org and dnb.com but they are not registered with either of
these so I'm thinking they may be a start-up company.

There are quite a few cities listed in each of their state notices
below so if you are operating in any of these states, you'll want
to click the applicable link(s) I've provided below to see if they
are trying to invade your turf too. The last thing we as WISP's
need is for RUS money to be given out to someone who is
attempting to compete with one of us in an area that already
has broadband. We need to each do our part and file the
necessary form with RDUP so they don't give money away
for areas that already have broadband available whether the
area is covered by a WISP, CLEC or ILEC.

North Carolina:
http://www.ncpress.com/2x2Network/06Apr24OpenRange.pdf

South Carolina:
http://display.independentmail.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=395985

Maine:
http://me.mypublicnotices.com/PublicNotice.asp?Page=PublicNotice&AdId=91346

Colorado:
http://tinyurl.com/g99rl

Connecticut:
http://ct.mypublicnotices.com/PublicNotice.asp?Page=PublicNotice&AdId=93998

Idaho:
http://www.nwmarket.com/index.php?cmd=browse&cat=Personals&code=018
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/classifieds#Miscellaneous

Nevada:
http://fastads.swiftnews.com/indi/?s=tcan&ui=tb&a=850526

Rhode Island:
http://www.projo.com/cgi-bin/include.pl/classifieds/legals.htm

Vermont:
http://tinyurl.com/ghruo

Iowa:
http://www.waarc.org/waarc_1_003.htm

Georgia:
http://www.earlycountynews.com/ROP/large/Misc%2Dopenrange%2Ehtm

Texas:
http://www.fortstocktonpioneer.com/classifieds/?loc=detail&main=LEGALS

Kentucky:


If you are a provider offering service in one or more of the cities
for which Open Range Communications Inc. has applied for RUS
funds, you need to file a Legal Notice Response Form ASAP. Here
are the links to the form and the necessary reporting instructions:
http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/broadband/legal-notice-response-form.doc
http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/broadband/legal-notice-response-form.pdf
You have 30 days from the date their notice was posted if you wish
to file a response to stop them from receiving funds for the applicable
cities for which they have applied.


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
"Your Hometown Broadband Provider"
http://www.KyWiFi.com
Call Us Today: 859.274.4033
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$14.99 Home Phone Service
- No Phone Line Required for DSL
- FREE Activation & Equipment
- Affordable Upfront Pricing
- Locally Owned & Operated
- We Also Service Most Rural Areas
===


- Original Message - 
From: "Dylan Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants?


Is there a centralized listing of all communities to be effected by Open
Range?

Best,
--
Dylan Oliver
Primaverity, LLC






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Re: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants?

[KyWiFi LLC]

Hi Dylan,

Here is the e-mail I originally sent to the P15 list which contains links
to their state notices for the states I could find them associated with.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
-
Anyone heard of Open Range Communications Inc.?
They have applied for RUS grant money in numerous cities
throughout the country. Below are a few links to their notices
that I have found however, based on search engine results,
it appears as though they have also applied for RUS funds in
Kentucky, Florida and Virginia as well. I know that there are
a couple cities in our coverage area that they have applied for
RUS money to construct their own facilities in so I'll be filing
the necessary paperwork with RDUP in hopes that their
application for those two areas is declined. I am unable to locate
where they are based or their contact information. I searched
bbb.org and dnb.com but they are not registered with either of
these so I'm thinking they may be a start-up company.

There are quite a few cities listed in each of their state notices
below so if you are operating in any of these states, you'll want
to click the applicable link(s) I've provided below to see if they
are trying to invade your turf too. The last thing we as WISP's
need is for RUS money to be given out to someone who is
attempting to compete with one of us in an area that already
has broadband. We need to each do our part and file the
necessary form with RDUP so they don't give money away
for areas that already have broadband available whether the
area is covered by a WISP, CLEC or ILEC.

North Carolina:
http://www.ncpress.com/2x2Network/06Apr24OpenRange.pdf

South Carolina:
http://display.independentmail.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=395985

Maine:
http://me.mypublicnotices.com/PublicNotice.asp?Page=PublicNotice&AdId=91346

Colorado:
http://tinyurl.com/g99rl

Connecticut:
http://ct.mypublicnotices.com/PublicNotice.asp?Page=PublicNotice&AdId=93998

Idaho:
http://www.nwmarket.com/index.php?cmd=browse&cat=Personals&code=018
http://www.mountainhomenews.com/classifieds#Miscellaneous

Nevada:
http://fastads.swiftnews.com/indi/?s=tcan&ui=tb&a=850526

Rhode Island:
http://www.projo.com/cgi-bin/include.pl/classifieds/legals.htm

Vermont:
http://tinyurl.com/ghruo

Iowa:
http://www.waarc.org/waarc_1_003.htm

Georgia:
http://www.earlycountynews.com/ROP/large/Misc%2Dopenrange%2Ehtm

Texas:
http://www.fortstocktonpioneer.com/classifieds/?loc=detail&main=LEGALS

Kentucky:


If you are a provider offering service in one or more of the cities
for which Open Range Communications Inc. has applied for RUS
funds, you need to file a Legal Notice Response Form ASAP. Here
are the links to the form and the necessary reporting instructions:
http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/broadband/legal-notice-response-form.doc
http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/broadband/legal-notice-response-form.pdf
You have 30 days from the date their notice was posted if you wish
to file a response to stop them from receiving funds for the applicable
cities for which they have applied.


Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
"Your Hometown Broadband Provider"
http://www.KyWiFi.com
Call Us Today: 859.274.4033
===
$19.99 DSL High Speed Internet
$14.99 Home Phone Service
- No Phone Line Required for DSL
- FREE Activation & Equipment
- Affordable Upfront Pricing
- Locally Owned & Operated
- We Also Service Most Rural Areas
===


- Original Message - 
From: "Dylan Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants?


Is there a centralized listing of all communities to be effected by Open
Range?

Best,
--
Dylan Oliver
Primaverity, LLC






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[WISPA] Coverage in Normal, IL?

[Steve Carter]

I have two commercial sites in Normal, IL looking
for coverage.  Please hit me off list. Thanks.

 

Steve Carter

AIRbaud Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] Business Value OT Business Growth Rate

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

It takes a bit to ramp up.  The first 6 months are often pretty slow, after 
that it normally kicks up really quickly.  Especially lately.


We're seeing anywhere from 50 to 100% per year growth rates depending on 
market size, funding, network type etc.


I'm not advertising because we can't cash flow the growth that we're getting 
from word of mouth.  We're seeing 100% growth every 2 years on word of mouth 
alone.  And we have HEAVY competition in all population centers out here. 
Heck, just this week I heard of a new wisp that's putting up at least 4 
towers in one of my most rural areas.  I wish I had his money!  hehehehe 
See how long this one lasts.  I've seen quite a few do stuff like that over 
the years, they rarely last longer than 2 or 4 years.


laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Victoria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Business Value OT Business Growth Rate




This is an interesting model that I am currently looking into.
I have had offers on our business that equaled the 1.5+ for buy out.
However my question is, if one were purchasing an existing business, what
should the expected growth rate be?
I realize that their could be two figures, one for rural and the second 
for

metro.

Thanks.
Victoria Proffer
www.StLouisBroadBand.com
314-974-5600

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Re: [WISPA] Auction 66

[Jon Langeler]

I'm going to be devil's advocate and take that further. There's a soon 
coming day when the 700MHz and EBS/RBS/WCS(2.3/2.5GHz) folks finally 
figure out what equipment and standard they want to go with(3G/UMTS or 
mobile WIMAX), then they're going nationwide, and fast. The underfunded 
WISPs will be in for a tough one...


-Jon
Michwave Tech.

Dylan Oliver wrote:

I disagree. Any and every WISP should be interested in offering mobile 
voice, data, and video as a complement to its fixed services. 
Subscribers *will* want it.


Best,
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Primaverity, LLC 



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RE: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants?

[Rick Harnish]

I would contact your local RUS
representative to see if they have such a list.

 



Rick
Harnish

President

OnlyInternet
Broadband & Wireless, Inc.

260-827-2482
Office

260-307-4000
Cell

260-918-4340
VoIP

www.oibw.net

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

  

 













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:50
AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS
loans/grants?



 

Is there a centralized listing of all communities to
be effected by Open
 Range?

Best,
-- 
Dylan Oliver
Primaverity, LLC 






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RE: [WISPA] Business Value OT Business Growth Rate

[Victoria]

 
This is an interesting model that I am currently looking into. 
I have had offers on our business that equaled the 1.5+ for buy out.  
However my question is, if one were purchasing an existing business, what
should the expected growth rate be?  
I realize that their could be two figures, one for rural and the second for
metro.  

Thanks.
Victoria Proffer
www.StLouisBroadBand.com
314-974-5600

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[WISPA] Mikrotik Radius/PPPoE Radius

[Jon Langeler]

We're setting up MT PPPoE w/ Radius and while we're at it maybe hotspot 
auth. Recommended packaged solutions? Anyone tried Radius Manager 2.0.2 
before? Anyone want to provide some consulting on this that's done it 
before? :-)


Thanks
Jon Langeler
Michwave Tech.
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Re: [WISPA] Business Value

[Tom DeReggi]

The people doing the session clearly must have been buyers looking for 
suckers, or individuals looking to make a killing on the resale themselves.


Now if someone has a low volume, poor reliabilty wifi network, where the 
salary to manage it is more than the revenue, and the owner is looking for a 
full cash buyout, thats a different story, and sure that fits the bill of a 
6 month or 1x annual buyout.  In other words, nobody wants to buy someone 
else's problem.  At most they'll offer to take over the problem, if it 
doesn't cost them much cash, (investment cash is hard to come by) if they 
can leverage the assets to make their own WISP more profitable, (taking 
revenue, getting rid of all the duplicate costs). Sure every body is looking 
for the failing WISP that has had enough, and willing to sell on a fraction 
of the dollar of what its worth.  Cogent has done miraculously by buying 
companies out of bankruptcy, at pennies on the dollar.  The fact is, most 
WISPs are regional, and if they have not created enough value in their 
network to attract buyers that will pay for it, want out for what ever 
reason, 90% of the time inadequate funding and tapped out,  they will almost 
always give the WISPs to another WISP at next to nothing, to save the 
embaressment of defaulting on agreement, shutting off community residents, 
and admit failure publically.  I believe because there is such a high rate 
of failure, or lack of growth by WISPs in the WISP industry, there are 
likely to be a lot of WISPs in a vulnerable possition, willing to sell for 
very little.


However, Don't let that scew the truth about what a WISP can be worth.

The only large scale comparable today is NextWeb's sale to Covad, which went 
for close to 2x annual. At minimum a successful WISP should have an 
evaluation of 2x, using NextWeb sale as a comaprable, suitable for 
recognition from an entity like a bank.  Also understand that although 
NextWeb had acheived large scale worthly of aquisition, they were not an 
ideal company to buy from my perspectuve because I felt they were a company 
in trouble, with various problems that might have given them a lower 
evaluation. Also a company that had less growth opportunity based on already 
saturating the marketing to their markets. At minimum, a WISP should have an 
evaluation equivellent to the investment that they made in their network to 
build it, parts and labor.  Often that costs, exceeds what a 2x-3x offer 
would be, based on the fact that most WISPs are at an investment/growth 
stage of their network.   The golden question someone must ask is not what 
your business is worth on paper (financial statements) today to you.  It is 
what is your business worth to someone else, the buyer.  That is how you get 
the 4x plus offers.  You need to build your business to be valuable to 
others.
You should have target buyers before the business ever starts.  Thing to 
remember is that WISP rarely ahve all assets required for large scale 
growth, but they have the most valueable asset, in palce infrastructer in a 
time to market industry, first in preferred broadcast sites, and experience 
and knowledge to get the network built to the stage that it can survive and 
grow.  Money is hard for WISPs to find, almost completely unavailable for 
guys like me.   But the reality is Money is cheap to those that have it, and 
actually a commodity. And money guys are desperately looking for places to 
spend there money that can have a high return.  Thats why Banks are sending 
0% credit cards and loans out. The WISP industry is high risk, but it is 
very likely to have HUGE exponential growth over the next 5 years, for those 
that can last through it as one of the survivors. Great opportunity for long 
term investors that make the right choices, and great opportunity for 
companies to get large multiple for quick resale within 1-2 years of 
purchase.  A well run WISP is an extremely hot item for putting on the 
market for sale.  Some investment companies have privately stated that they 
consider wireless technologies in their top 5 areas to look for growth 
industries to consider investing in.   Remember nobody makes money buying 
companies that have already went through the growth stage.  Sure thing 
business generally can't be sold for to much more than they were bought for. 
In other words, investment companies want to buy at 1x, inject money to 
facilitate growth, and resell for > 4x.  Many times looking for 500% return 
on investment. WISPs can possibly deliver that, with enough time.


I'd also argue that a company that has saturated its market and acheives 
higher revenues, may be less valuable in terms of multiples of revenue, than 
a company that build a network ready to serve,with few customers, but the 
potential for MANY MANY more, as the guy buying will likely be able to 
obtain revenue growth better after purchased. They want to know that there 
is room for growth and reason for investment. Othe

Re: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants?

[Dylan Oliver]

Is there a centralized listing of all communities to be effected by Open Range?
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Re: [WISPA] Business Value

[Dylan Oliver]

The time is coming for WISPs to grow up to the point where they can not
only participate in but lead the evolution of the industry through
effective leverage of potentials like the AWS auction with proper
capitalization.

Consolidation: don't wait for it, do it!
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants?

[Rick Harnish]

Here is the email I sent out to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
list.  Anyone belonging to a "state"@wispa.org
list should send a similar email out to those perspective lists. 
Obviously, you should change the contact for your appropriate state. 
Those can be found at http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/recd_map.html.

 

 

 

Scott and others,

 

 

 

A company called “Open
 Range” has applied
for an RUS loan for a nationwide wireless rollout.  They have sent out
public notices to newspapers all over the states.  I didn’t see it
in my local paper but the Huntington Herald Press ran it and a customer alerted
me of it.  According the notice we have 30 days (less now) to file papers
showing our service areas.  

 

 

 

The Indiana
contact for the RUS program is:

 

 

 

Allen D. Deforest Illinois

 

5523 South Cardwell
  Road Indiana

 

Bloomington,
 Indiana 47403

 

(812) 825-3727

 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

 

 

Incumbent Broadband Providers need to file a “Legal Notice
Response Form”  which is found at http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/broadband.htm. 
The link to the form can be found in Application Materials.  Coverage Maps
are required to be attached to the form.  The date of the notice was
4/17/2006.  I would get the forms in by the 10th of May to be safe.

 

 

 

Respectfully, 

 

Rick Harnish

President

OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.

260-827-2482 Office

260-307-4000 Cell

260-918-4340 VoIP

www.oibw.net

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

  

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:01 AM
To: WISPA Board Members List
Subject: Re: [Board] Re: [WISPA] Fw: USDA RUS loans/grants?

 

Anybody have an response or opinion or ?

George

 

George wrote:

> Hi guys

> A couple things.

> Do you think that wispa ought to have a vehicle in place for our
wispa 

> members to be able to have help filing for grants like this?

> And shouldn't we ought to add another director or three to the
board  to 

> help facilitate some projects.

> I'm sure if we asked the member ship again for 3 more additional 

> candidates that we may just have more interested participation.

> 

> I still haven't really gotten going on the promo stuff yet,. Tom
and I 

> started a discussion and we got 3 basic ideals on the table, but
we 

> haven't taken it from there. I feel the next step for us is to
open up 

> applications for additional promo and marketing committee members.

> 

> Hoe do you guys feel about this?

> 

> George

> 

> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

> 

>> anyone seen anything like this before?

>> 

>> Marlon

>> (509)
982-2181  
Equipment sales

>> (408) 907-6910
(Vonage)   
Consulting services

>> 42846865
(icq)   
And I run my own wisp!

>> 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)

>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless

>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott

>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:54 PM

>> Subject: USDA RUS loans/grants?

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Don't you provide service here?:

>> 

>> LEGAL NOTICE OPEN RANGE COMMUNICATIONS INC We are a
prospective 

>> applicant under the Rural Broadband Access Loan and Loan
Guarantee 

>> Program being administered by the Rural Development, Utilities


>> Programs (RDUP), United States Department of Agriculture. We
are 

>> required, as a prospective applicant to announce our intent to
provide 

>> broadband services (200 kilobits upstream and downstream) in
the State 

>> of Washington
in the following communities: Anacortes, Artondale, 

>> Burlington,
Camas, Clarkstone Heights-Vineland, College
  Place, East 

>> Port Orchard, East Wenatchee Bench, Ephrata, Ferndale,
Fort Lewis, Gig 

>> Harbor, Grandview, Green Acres,
Lynden, Moses Lake,
Othello, Quincy,


>> Steilacoom, Sunnyside, Toppenish, Waller, Washougal, West Richland. 

>> Incumbent broadband service providers have 30 days from the
date of 

>> this Legal Notice to inform RDUP if they are currently
providing 

>> broadband service in these areas or if they have a commitment
to 

>> provide service in these areas. Incumbent broadband service
providers 

>> should submit to RDUP, on a form prescribed by RDUP, the
number of 

>> residential customers receiving broadband service in the
proposed 

>> service area, the rates of data transmission, and the cost of
each 

>> level of service or proof of commitment to provide service in
the 

>> proposed service area. A map should also be provided showing
the 

>> boundaries of your service area in relation to the communities
above. 

>> A Legal Notice Response Form can be obtained from RDUP's
website at 

>> www.usda.gov/rus/telecom. (This ad is from 04/17/2006 to
04/18/2006.)

>> 

>> 

>> ryan

> 

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Re: [WISPA] Business Value

[George]

chris cooper wrote:

It's the big investors that will get it in the end.  They will come with
large bags of cash or paper, consolidate and either take the profits or
flip it to someone else who will.

Chris

The big investors will probably never get it.  But the medium sized
folks 
surely will.  Those that are interested in running a business not
bilking 
other investors.






Um, the big investors are starting to come.
hence Open Range 190 rural communities across the us. Thats a big investor.

Lets not forget Clearwires expansion and recent buyout on the east coast 
of a local wisp.


I feel the time is getting closer to consolidation. I mean consolidation 
between a wisp like any of us and the wisp next door to us.


George
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Re: [WISPA] Auction 66

[Dylan Oliver]

I disagree. Any and every WISP should be interested in offering mobile voice, data, and video as a complement to its fixed services. Subscribers *will* want it. Best,-- Dylan Oliver
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RE: [WISPA] Business Value

[chris cooper]

It's the big investors that will get it in the end.  They will come with
large bags of cash or paper, consolidate and either take the profits or
flip it to someone else who will.

Chris

The big investors will probably never get it.  But the medium sized
folks 
surely will.  Those that are interested in running a business not
bilking 
other investors.



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Re: [WISPA] Auction 66

[Dylan Oliver]

$848k for control of a 2x10 MHz chunk over a fairly large rural area for 15 years is not bad at all. If one's winning bid were $1 million and they received a 25% discount as a "very small business" for a total payment of $750k, that'd work out to just $50k/year. Of course you need to have to pay out *now*, but my god that'd be a bargain!
On 4/28/06, Scott Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:







If I read the documentation correctly, the minimum bid for 1 10MHz chunk is some rural area is $848,000.00.  Hardly for small companies.
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Re: [WISPA] Business Value

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Man, it's all over the board isn't it.

I know of one that was a mix of wifi and non wifi.  Sold out for 1.5x or 2x 
annual revenue PLUS a few tens of dollars for every customer that the 
network would reasonably support.


Guess it depends on how bad a guy wants out.

I know I'd not sell for 1 x annual revenue.  No way.  When we finally get 
all of the debt paid off we'll be at nearly a 50% margin!  And I've built 
out almost as far as I can go as a one man shop.  I just need to keep up 
with technology not build a ton of new stuff.  Oh sure, I've got a lot of 
coverage holes to fill in, but that's not gonna be all that big of a deal.


The real value of a wisp is still a few years away.  We have to wait for 
more of the muni networks to fail and certainly for the verizons and googles 
to fail at it.  Once they go down and we're still standing people will 
FINALLY understand that WE are the ones with the viable business plans.


The big investors will probably never get it.  But the medium sized folks 
surely will.  Those that are interested in running a business not bilking 
other investors.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business Value


Mark at the Chicago Wispnog Charles put on, there was a couple investors 
that bought and sold wisps. We had a session on it.
The way they described the valuation of a wisp brought the price down well 
under 1x yearly revenue. More like 6 months of revenue cash buyout. They 
picked everything apart and devalued based on what ever they could find.


And there was a couple of wisps who sold their operation for about 1x 
yearly. One guy said the buyer wanted some of his commercial subs and took 
the whole thing and even hired him and another seller said he wanted to 
toss in the towel after fighting with the telco, get a law degree and 
donate the rest of his life to fighting the telco's I seem to remember 
that he sold for under 1x with some cash now and paper. Both of these guys 
were 802.11b wisps. And I think both are still on some of the wireless 
lists. You might want to ask on the isp-wireless list or part-15 list as 
well.


Seems that wisps with contracts to their customers and a network of 
Alvarion,  Trango, Canopy  or similar was more appealing and had a higher 
value.


Maybe this is helpfull.

How many subs do you have?

George







Mark Nash wrote:
Thanks Marlon... For the record, it's not a rough split between me and my 
partner.  He's got a more profitable business going, he's put up money 
for the wireless business, he's 53 and going to retire when he's 55, so 
he wants to focus on his other business.  That's what I would do if I 
were him.  The money he put in is easy to account for and pay back, but 
he has also put in a considerable amount of unpaid time and he'd like to 
realize some benefit from that, and I should honor that in the split. 
Makes sense.  So I'm trying to figure out what's reasonable to offer for 
his part in all of this.


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business Value



Hi Mark,

I don't have time to get into the deep details right now.  I can 
probably help with this if you'd like.  I've done some valuations based 
on income, customer base etc.


Standard business stuff would put your company value at 1.2 to 2x annual 
earnings.  OR 3 to 5 x annual profit (probably not much of that if 
you're growing well).


With a wisp, it gets more complicated because most wisps are growing 
fast and are just starting to get into the profit mode.  So the value of 
the company won't even hit most guys for a couple more years.  shrug


I've also seen WISPs get paid for the number of homes passed in addition 
to the above.


The last valuation I did I took the number of customers possible on the 
hardware installed, cut that down to more reasonable numbers (100 users 
per ap), figured a moderate growth rate (max of 4 per day after 3 years) 
and came up with an expected customer base in 36 months.  That's the 
point that I put a value on the company.  I used 1.5x annual earnings. 
At this point the company would have been HUGELY profitable though. 
(started out with 1 install per day, ramped that up by 1 every 6 months 
or so)  *I* think I had a reasonable growth rate (market size was nearly 
1,000,000 people much of which had NO broadband) and left room

Re: [WISPA] Business Value

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

It's nice to hear of a story like that for a change!  Good for you two.

As I see it there's three ways that this would work out.

Buy out his cash input plus a fair amount for his sweat equity.

Figure out your last 12 months income, multiply by 2 if you're making money, 
1.2 if not, if it's close use something in between.  Divide that by 2 and 
pay him his share.


Lastly, and probably my favotire (remember I'm sitting here not there), pay 
back his cash and leave him as a 10% or so such figure stock holder.


Hope that helps!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business Value


Thanks Marlon... For the record, it's not a rough split between me and my 
partner.  He's got a more profitable business going, he's put up money for 
the wireless business, he's 53 and going to retire when he's 55, so he 
wants to focus on his other business.  That's what I would do if I were 
him.  The money he put in is easy to account for and pay back, but he has 
also put in a considerable amount of unpaid time and he'd like to realize 
some benefit from that, and I should honor that in the split.  Makes 
sense.  So I'm trying to figure out what's reasonable to offer for his 
part in all of this.


Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business Value



Hi Mark,

I don't have time to get into the deep details right now.  I can probably 
help with this if you'd like.  I've done some valuations based on income, 
customer base etc.


Standard business stuff would put your company value at 1.2 to 2x annual 
earnings.  OR 3 to 5 x annual profit (probably not much of that if you're 
growing well).


With a wisp, it gets more complicated because most wisps are growing fast 
and are just starting to get into the profit mode.  So the value of the 
company won't even hit most guys for a couple more years.  shrug


I've also seen WISPs get paid for the number of homes passed in addition 
to the above.


The last valuation I did I took the number of customers possible on the 
hardware installed, cut that down to more reasonable numbers (100 users 
per ap), figured a moderate growth rate (max of 4 per day after 3 years) 
and came up with an expected customer base in 36 months.  That's the 
point that I put a value on the company.  I used 1.5x annual earnings. 
At this point the company would have been HUGELY profitable though. 
(started out with 1 install per day, ramped that up by 1 every 6 months 
or so)  *I* think I had a reasonable growth rate (market size was nearly 
1,000,000 people much of which had NO broadband) and left room for 
several competitors to gain market share.


On a partnership breakup it gets more difficult.  No one probably has any 
money (or they'd not be fighting so much in the first place).  One guy 
usually put up all the funding and the other one did all of the work. 
There are hard feelings and often friendships on the line.  In those 
cases about all you can do is to take the income today and use that for 
the value.  Or one partner can agree to go silent and let the other one 
carry on with business.  Tough stuff either way.


Hope that helps.  Feel free to call if you'd like to talk it over some 
more.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:31 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Business Value


I may be splitting with my partner in the coming months.  We'll have to 
come
up with a buy-out agreement.  Has anyone got experience with valuating 
WISP

businesses?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax


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Re: [WISPA] Auction 66

[Dawn DiPietro]

Dylan,

Not a problem. Always glad to get things cleared up that way 
misinformation does not get passed on. I actually read that same article.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Dylan Oliver wrote:


Dawn,

Thanks, good catch. It was Commissioner Copps. His talk is reported 
well here: http://wistechnology.com/article.php?id=2835


Best,
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Re: [WISPA] Auction 66

[Dylan Oliver]

Dawn,Thanks, good catch. It was Commissioner Copps. His talk is reported well here: http://wistechnology.com/article.php?id=2835Best,-- Dylan Oliver
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[WISPA] Bush Renominates Martin as FCC Chairman

[Dawn DiPietro]

All,

As quoted from the article;
"The Bell companies on Tuesday sent out a slew of press releases 
praising the renomination, but the competitive community remained silent.
Martin’s commissioner colleagues also released statements applauding the 
announcement."


Full story below;
http://www.newtelephony.com/news/64h25162917.html

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Re: [WISPA] Auction 66

[Scott Reed]

If I read the documentation correctly, the minimum bid for 1 10MHz chunk is some rural area is $848,000.00.  Hardly for small companies.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 




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> All, 
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This auction is in no way shape or form target to any WISP. 
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Being auctioned off is 1710-1755 and 2110-2155 MHz bands. 
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http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/default.htm?job=auction_factsheet&id=66 

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Regards, 
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RE: [WISPA] Business Value

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Mark,
As you can tell from all the great replies, there are many different ways to
do this.

Speaking from past experience, one of the best advice that I had received,
was that the folks going into a partnership should negotiate and come to an
agreement on Partnership Termination Terms and Conditions, PRIOR to getting
into the Partnership.

It sounds corny, but believe me, all the time invested upfront on this
difficult topic pays off for everyone when the options are exercised.

However in this particular case, it is hindsight. Having said that, you have
a quiet a few good things going for you.

1. It is an amicable split.
2. Your Partner has a target goal and plan he is working for.
3. You recognize that there are two items to be valued, money and sweat
equity.

I can see from the other replies that you are getting great advice on the
different technical formulas for valuation. I would like to make a very
different kind of suggestion, that may work out to be beneficial for both.

Needless to say, you and your partner will have to explore and customize
whatever agreement that you come up with.

If you forget about the technical aspect of the business, and just evaluate
it in terms of a generic business, then below listed concepts would apply as
long as the two of you understand what the other wants to achieve.

I am suspecting that, your partner does not need to pull out the money that
he has put into the business, also going to make the assumption that the
business is the growing stage and not yet generating positive free cash
flow..(positive free cash flow is not the same as profit).

Another key business principle, which is often mis-understood is that
Compensation and Ownership are two very different things, and they DO NOT
have to be interdependent.

In my case, prior to getting into the partnership, we negotiated, Ownership
(percentage), Compensation agreement, and Termination Terms and conditions.

Compensation agreement is based on the principle that the
salary/compensation was going to be the same as to what it would cost to
higher a similarly qualified employee to  fulfill that position. (Adjusted
up or down based on the affordability and the company finances).

If a partner decided to go silent, (i.e. not work in the business on a day
to day basis), then they were not entitled to the salary, only to the profit
distributions if any.

Any monies invested into the company, were either in form a interest bearing
loan (in some cases we accrued the interest and deferred paying it, because
we did not have the $$), or the initial 'purchase' of the company stock,
which translated into the ownership stake.

As to sweat equity, an equalizer formula between the partners can be agreed
to, it really doesn't matter what it is as long as it is equitable and both
of you agree to it.


Based on the above, and the specific needs of you and your partner, you
could easily work out a 'Buy Out' plan which would provide a return on
investment for him, while providing self financing from the company's growth
for you. (e.g. I will use 1% of the company's gross revenues (of 10% of
gross profits) to purchase 1/5th of your share, on an annual basis. Or
something similar, so that over a defined period of time, you are able to
purchase his shares (ownership stake) and he is able to get more $ for it as
the company grows)

As to the sweat equity, if you both feel that you have put in an equal
amount, then the above formula should provide a decent return on the
original investment. If you two believe that the sweat equity was not equal,
then the above formula should be adjusted to be more favorable for your
partner.

Overall, the concept is that, most folks who start small business do that so
as to get a return on the investment down the road when the business is
doing well. Just because the partner is leaving to focus on other things,
and there is no desperate need for cash, especially in amicable separations,
there is nothing which says that one cannot still continue towards the
original goal...to provide a good return on original investment a little bit
further down the road when the business is healthy.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
SnappyDSL.net

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:52 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Business Value

Thanks Marlon... For the record, it's not a rough split between me and my
partner.  He's got a more profitable business going, he's put up money for
the wireless business, he's 53 and going to retire when he's 55, so he wants
to focus on his other business.  That's what I would do if I were him.  The
money he put in is easy to account for and pay back, but he has also put in
a considerable amount of unpaid time and he'd like to realize some benefit
from that, and I should honor that in the split.  Makes sense.  So I'm
trying to figure out what's reasonable to offer for his part in all of this.

M

[WISPA] CTIA stands against proposal to create 700 MHz national public-safety network

[Dawn DiPietro]

All,

More news on 700Mhz spectrum.

Full story below;
http://rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=26222


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] Auction 66

[Dawn DiPietro]

All,

This auction is in no way shape or form target to any WISP.

Being auctioned off is 1710-1755 and 2110-2155 MHz bands.
http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/default.htm?job=auction_factsheet&id=66

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:26 PM
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*Subject:* [WISPA] Auction 66

http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/default.htm?job=auction_summary&id=66


 


Can anyone tell me anything about this auction?

 

 

 


Steve Smith

Chase 3000

Imperial, NE 69033

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

308 882-3000

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Auction 66

[Dawn DiPietro]

Dylan,

So who was it that spoke at the conference in Milwaukee?

Michael J. Copps
Commissioner

or

Kevin J. Martin
Chairman

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Dylan Oliver wrote:

The way Chairman Copps talked about it at a recent conference in 
Milwaukee, I got the idea the auction might be approachable for a 
small business. Cellular market areas would be a WISP's (or consortium 
of WISPs) best bet in terms of number available (734 - we're bound to 
get at least one ... right?), size and demographics - but they are 
also some of the most valuable because they allocate 2x10 MHz channels 
vs the 2x5 MHz channels of blocks C-F (B gives 2x10 for 176 economic 
areas). 

And then there's the question of what to do with it. Huawei was the 
first to announce UMTS gear for 1700 MHz. I haven't heard what else is 
in the pipeline. It's a crapshoot. But the potential is awesome.


Re: the 2x channels .. does this mean two licenses will be rewarded 
per area? Or one license will get both? Or both together make the 
thing "duplex"?


Best,
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Primaverity, LLC



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