Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has traditionally understated there spec sheets. The GPS is what sets the timing for the AP's. The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all SM's registered to them. So how it works is that all AP's on channel 1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same time. Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and AP to a BH or AP. The lag that is introduced by having to transmit that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is the only time that distance can come into play. The application this is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower. /SM GPS --AP#1 / \ \SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#2 --SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#3 (this AP will be out of sync with AP#1) Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to propagate the timing signal. But if you put a GPS sync generating device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough timing with AP#2 that they all would get along. One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost of the GPS synchronizing items. Also again as for the distance statement. 6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced. believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6 away from it. The two AP's that are back to back share the same channel so that when they transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other. The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without self interference. If long range rural deployments are the plan then GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the same equipment and configuration in the area. So a Moto advantage cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP bandwidth available to it. If more is needed you can place the towers with in a few miles and divide a cell into two micro cells each with a possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 168mb serviced to a given area. One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate clusters of the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same tower. I can't write out whats in my head on this getting a little late in the night but if you wanted to I could talk to you over the phone and explain it. Send me an email to anthonyw (at) broadband-mn.com and Ill give you my cell phone number or give you a call. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI. What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, causing self-interference, correct? Travis Microserv Anthony Will wrote: Answers in-line Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I'd like to go back to the specs on different radios just so I can compare for myself... Trango 2.4ghz: 5Mbps auto ratio 8 non-overlapping channels 10mhz spectrum per channel -90 Receive level 15 mile range (without a grid) External connector and dual-pol integrated antenna $879 AP (WISP price) $479 SU (WISP price) Canopy 2.4ghz (regular): 7Mbps fixed ratio 3 non-overlapping channels 20mhz spectrum per channel -86 Receive level 2.4 canopy has a -89 receive level 5 mile range (without a dish) $902 AP (reseller price online) $490 SU (reseller price online) I am guessing your quoting single prices here. Now that maybe viable for this discussion but realistically if a WISP is not financially able to purchase in 25 packs they likely are very underfunded. So that the information is available a 25 pack of the Classic 2.4 ghz Canopy units is $6709 so if you break that down to single price that is about $269ea + $50 for reflector for a total of $319ea. http://www.doubleradius.com It is possible to get them cheaper then this but you will have to deal with co-op's or ebay.com Also I would never install a unit with a 60* pattern (Trango or Canopy). Just include the$50 for a reflector or stinger from http://www.wirelessbehive.com Based on the information from Mike, I could not use Canopy. In several areas, I have 4-5 towers located within 5 miles of each other how do I do that with Canopy? With
Re: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts
We have a friend who is an installer for Dish and Directv. Over half of his installs don't require the new arm that ships (existing mast, pole mount, or whatever), so every few weeks he brings us a couple of boxes of them. Before, he was tossing them. I would find an installer and offer to trade him 10 masts/mo for free service before I go spending a lot of money on masts. pd Mark McElvy wrote: Perfect 10 Distributing, www.perfect-10.tv From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Mon 9/25/2006 11:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts Hello all, I'm looking for a good source for satellite arms (j-poles) for mounting CPE units. It seems that I can always pick some up locally or from some different places, but I have not had any luck lately and I have a couple of consulting customers who are looking for large quantities. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks! Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Current Bandwidth Prices?
How much is everyone paying for good quality bandwidth? We're in the market for 10Mbps - 20Mbps and we're seeing pricing around $100 a meg for the bandwidth only (we'll be providing our own transit via wireless). This is for Sprint bandwidth via fiber (upstream has two OC12 circuits and has a ton of excess bandwidth available). I'm thinking about asking them for a quote for10Mbps/10Mbps burstable to 100Mbps/100Mbps. Anyone have a burstable plan like this with their upstream? How are high bandwidth burstable plans like this usually priced by a provider? One provider's quote difference between 10Mbps and 20Mbps was $400. Is this typical, do fiber prices really drop off like this once you purchase more than 10Mbps? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-FounderKyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky"Your Hometown Broadband Provider"http://www.KyWiFi.comCall Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet$14.99 Home Phone Service$19.99 All Digital Satellite TV- No Phone Line Required for DSL- FREE Activation Equipment- Affordable Upfront Pricing- Locally Owned Operated- We Also Service Most Rural Areas=== -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts
We are currently getting ours from CVS Systems. HYPERLINK http://www.cvssystems.com/www.cvssystems.com I am also working with a local steel company and they will have pricing ready for me by the first of October. I will pass on the information when it is ready. Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell HYPERLINK http://www.onlyinternet.netwww.onlyinternet.net HYPERLINK http://www.oibw.netwww.oibw.net _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts Perfect 10 Distributing, HYPERLINK http://www.perfect-10.tvwww.perfect-10.tv _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Mon 9/25/2006 11:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts Hello all, I'm looking for a good source for satellite arms (j-poles) for mounting CPE units. It seems that I can always pick some up locally or from some different places, but I have not had any luck lately and I have a couple of consulting customers who are looking for large quantities. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks! Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: HYPERLINK http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mai lman/listinfo/wireless Archives: HYPERLINK http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail /wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 attachment: winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
Here is a crude picture of one of our areas. Aside from the one site everything works great. 18 Canopy 900 Sectors in a 6 mile radius. Plus 2 Vertical that are not in the image. Need less to say that town is pretty well smoked. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Will Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon Well I have had 2.4ghz radio's link up at -89db (not very well mind you but...) so I don't know what to tell you other then Moto has traditionally understated there spec sheets. The GPS is what sets the timing for the AP's. The AP's coordinate the timing slots for all SM's registered to them. So how it works is that all AP's on channel 1 across the world all transmit at the same time, and all SM's synced to a AP on channel 1 with GPS timing from the AP listen at the same time. Distance is not relevant unless you are utilizing the feature set of the SM to retransmit a GPS sync pulse that it receives from and AP to a BH or AP. The lag that is introduced by having to transmit that pulse info across the wireless link to the SM retransmitting is the only time that distance can come into play. The application this is used for is for a cheap repeater system so that you dont have to have a GPS synchronizing device at every tower. /SM GPS --AP#1 / \ \SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#2 --SM (retransmitting GPS sync pulse) --AP#3 (this AP will be out of sync with AP#1) Basically the timing is measured in nano seconds so it takes to long for RF to transmit the data across the wireless links to continue to propagate the timing signal. But if you put a GPS sync generating device at AP#3 it would be in perfect time with AP#1 and close enough timing with AP#2 that they all would get along. One thing to keep in mind is if you are the only Canopy shop in the area you can have your AP's generate the sync pulse and avoid the cost of the GPS synchronizing items. Also again as for the distance statement. 6 AP's in a cluster sharing 3 channels have to be synced. believe me the messy antenna on the Canopy units dont have a good enough F/B ratio to not hear another AP 6 away from it. The two AP's that are back to back share the same channel so that when they transmit the SM's that are listening are as far away from each other as possible and thus reduce any chance of talking over each other. The largest benefit that GPS sync allows is to add additional capacity to area's by allowing for more towers to be in a smaller area without self interference. If long range rural deployments are the plan then GPS sync will only benefit you if you have competitors utilizing the same equipment and configuration in the area. So a Moto advantage cluster has about 84mb total (Classic Canopy would be 42mb) FTP bandwidth available to it. If more is needed you can place the towers with in a few miles and divide a cell into two micro cells each with a possible 84mb of total bandwidth for a total of 168mb serviced to a given area. One last note, GPS timing will not allow for two separate clusters of the same type ( two 2.4ghz clusters) to be on the same tower. I can't write out whats in my head on this getting a little late in the night but if you wanted to I could talk to you over the phone and explain it. Send me an email to anthonyw (at) broadband-mn.com and Ill give you my cell phone number or give you a call. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI. What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, causing self-interference, correct? Travis Microserv Anthony Will wrote: Answers in-line Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I'd like to go back to the specs on different radios just so I can compare for myself... Trango 2.4ghz: 5Mbps auto ratio 8 non-overlapping channels 10mhz spectrum per channel -90 Receive level 15 mile range (without a grid) External connector and dual-pol integrated antenna $879 AP (WISP price) $479 SU (WISP price) Canopy 2.4ghz (regular): 7Mbps fixed ratio 3 non-overlapping channels 20mhz spectrum per channel -86 Receive level 2.4 canopy has a -89 receive level 5 mile range (without a dish) $902 AP (reseller price online) $490 SU (reseller price online) I am guessing your quoting single prices here. Now that maybe viable for this discussion but realistically if a WISP is not financially able to purchase in 25 packs they likely are very underfunded. So that the information is available a 25 pack of the Classic 2.4 ghz Canopy units is $6709 so if you break that down to single price that is about
RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
We have never saw a problem with 2.4 self interfering. Only 900Mhz, and that is easily fixed. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon Hi, First, the spec sheet on Motorola's website says -86 RSSI. What happens when you have more than 3 towers outside of the 8 mile range of GPS sync? The 2.4ghz signal will definately travel that far, causing self-interference, correct? Travis Microserv Anthony Will wrote: Answers in-line Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I'd like to go back to the specs on different radios just so I can compare for myself.. Trango 2.4ghz: 5Mbps auto ratio 8 non-overlapping channels 10mhz spectrum per channel -90 Receive level 15 mile range (without a grid) External connector and dual-pol integrated antenna $879 AP (WISP price) $479 SU (WISP price) Canopy 2.4ghz (regular): 7Mbps fixed ratio 3 non-overlapping channels 20mhz spectrum per channel -86 Receive level 2.4 canopy has a -89 receive level 5 mile range (without a dish) $902 AP (reseller price online) $490 SU (reseller price online) I am guessing your quoting single prices here. Now that maybe viable for this discussion but realistically if a WISP is not financially able to purchase in 25 packs they likely are very underfunded. So that the information is available a 25 pack of the Classic 2.4 ghz Canopy units is $6709 so if you break that down to single price that is about $269ea + $50 for reflector for a total of $319ea. http://www.doubleradius.com It is possible to get them cheaper then this but you will have to deal with co-op's or ebay.com Also I would never install a unit with a 60* pattern (Trango or Canopy). Just include the$50 for a reflector or stinger from http://www.wirelessbehive.com Based on the information from Mike, I could not use Canopy. In several areas, I have 4-5 towers located within 5 miles of each other how do I do that with Canopy? With Trango, I use a different channel for the sector pointing toward another tower (frequency planning and coordination is very important) and everything works great. Is there a solution for this with Canopy? This is where GPS sync comes in. You can point two different tower locations on the same frequency at each other and they will not interfere with each other. This is how it is possible to do a 6 AP cluster on one tower with only 3 non overlapping channels. Also, by using only a 10mhz spectrum per channel, Trango's channel 1 and channel 8 are actually outside the reach of Canopy and 802.11 (for the most part) and thus can almost always be used in a noisy environment. Remember with Canopy you generally don't have to avoid interference. Find the cleanest channel and 90% of the time you will be the few db louder then the noise that you need to make a viable link. Anthony Will Broadband Corp Travis Microserv Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: Well, so far as we can tell the only thing that can kill canopy, IS CANOPY. We have put it up against WaveRider, Alvarion, and 802.11b. They all fell of the face of the earth. We have 16 tower sites deployed, all 900Mhz and 2.4, over 1000 CPE and more on the way. (I realize there are many people bigger than us.) We use a mix of MTI Omni's, MTI or Tiltek 120deg Sectors (MTI for Horizontal and Tiltek for Vertical) and integrated 60deg sectors (I really wish someone would come out with a descent H-pol as I don't like the integrated antenna) with 900. Cyclone Omni's or 120deg sectors on 2.4. Here is what I have found with GPS Sourced Sync vs. Generate Sync: If you want channel reuse you need GPS sourced sync. If you have a tower more than 8 miles away, you need to use different channels no matter what, even with GPS sourced sync you still have speed of light issues from tower to tower. Can you Generate sync and deploy multiple AP's in a given area, yes. You just need to make sure you have Frequency separation. Does this mean I recommend it, NO. Also even with every site GPS Synced, you still can only put so many AP's in a given area be for you need to go to a different polarity. At least we know there will never be another 900Mhz based ISP in one of our towns. Also on a side note, I have never found a problem with 2.4, it is 900 that will give you problems, it just carries so far. If the noise floor was lower, and Canopy could run at -90 we would have coverage for a long ways. It seems like we can always pick up a AP at -80. YMMV. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]
Re: [WISPA] Current Bandwidth Prices?
KyWiFi LLC wrote: How much is everyone paying for good quality bandwidth? We're in the market for 10Mbps - 20Mbps and we're seeing pricing around $100 a meg for the bandwidth only (we'll be providing our own transit via wireless). This is for Sprint bandwidth via fiber (upstream has two OC12 circuits and has a ton of excess bandwidth available). We see anywhere from $50 to $200 per meg for 10Mbps commit depending on who you buy it from. Interestingly, blended bandwidth prices tend to be cheaper than tier 1 bandwidth and yet blended bandwidth tends to have higher quality. I'm thinking about asking them for a quote for 10Mbps/10Mbps burstable to 100Mbps/100Mbps. Anyone have a burstable plan like this with their upstream? How are high bandwidth burstable plans like this usually priced by a provider? Generally, most providers are going to want you to commit to more than 10 megs for a burstable FE port; usually at least 20. One provider's quote difference between 10Mbps and 20Mbps was $400. Is this typical, do fiber prices really drop off like this once you purchase more than 10Mbps? Like anything, the more you buy the less you pay per unit. Substantial savings are available at 100Mbps for example. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts
Perfect 10 Distributing, www.perfect-10.tv From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Mon 9/25/2006 11:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts Hello all, I'm looking for a good source for satellite arms (j-poles) for mounting CPE units. It seems that I can always pick some up locally or from some different places, but I have not had any luck lately and I have a couple of consulting customers who are looking for large quantities. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks! Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law.attachment: winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] When it comes to animal caused outages...
Well, I guess that is why they are called Smokey Bear -:) Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] When it comes to animal caused outages... this one takes the cake... http://www.dslreports.com/speak/slideshow/16975148?c=1067559ret=L2ZvcnVtL3J lbWFyaywxNjk3NTE0OA%3D%3D wow! Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I'm looking for a good source for satellite arms (j-poles) for mounting CPE units. It seems that I can always pick some up locally or from some different places, but I have not had any luck lately and I have a couple of consulting customers who are looking for large quantities. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks! Don't know if he still has some, but Mac Dearman used to have a bunch of them for sale. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
Jon, For sure I'm all over GPS for all licensed (world of small channels) and when there is a small amount of spectrum to work with in UL. For example, in the coming 3650MHz band, GPS should be a must for PMP. Same with scaled 900 (we offer it there). It is just not needed with VL. What for? It already gives massive capacity without any re-use. Even with GPS and re-use I do not think Canopy can get close to the amount of capacity VL can offer. Frankly, even if we had it for VL no one would buy it. No argument from me on the scheduled MAC front, except to the extent that in UL it needs to come with good interference mitigation (not talking about self-inflicted interference) techniques to make it useful. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon Hey Patrick, GPS...there's many reasons and it's not a canopy vs alvarion debate from my standpoint, more so a scheduled mac(canopy, wimax, 3G...) vs unscheduled(wifi, VL, currently Trango). I'd predict that as wisp education progresses, they will realize the power of scheduled mac and GPS support. By then maybe the rest of the BreezeMAX code will have made way to the VL engineers and everyone can be happy :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Patrick Leary wrote: Jon, Why is that the case? You really think GPS on Canopy is some cool feature? Canopy must have GPS to function. Without it, it kills itself. It is all to prevent self-inflicted interference (remember, Canopy does not even have ATPC) and to allow for channel re-use. Other systems, like VL, do not need it. It provides far more capacity than Canopy, so it does not need to re-use channels and with basic channel planning you don't have issues with self-interference. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(192). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts
We started out doing that with satellite installers as well. We just ran them all out of their garbage piles of masts in our area. DISH has implemented a new thing where they don't include the mast unless you request it. Then you end up paying more for the system WITH a mast. We still have a few satellite installers but when you are talking about doing 100 + installs, around here, we have run out of satellite guys. :) (The good satellite guys make GREAT installers too!) Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell www.onlyinternet.net www.oibw.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts We have a friend who is an installer for Dish and Directv. Over half of his installs don't require the new arm that ships (existing mast, pole mount, or whatever), so every few weeks he brings us a couple of boxes of them. Before, he was tossing them. I would find an installer and offer to trade him 10 masts/mo for free service before I go spending a lot of money on masts. pd Mark McElvy wrote: Perfect 10 Distributing, www.perfect-10.tv From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Mon 9/25/2006 11:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Source for satellite masts Hello all, I'm looking for a good source for satellite arms (j-poles) for mounting CPE units. It seems that I can always pick some up locally or from some different places, but I have not had any luck lately and I have a couple of consulting customers who are looking for large quantities. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks! Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Current Bandwidth Prices?
KyWiFi LLC wrote: One provider's quote difference between 10Mbps and 20Mbps was $400. Is this typical, do fiber prices really drop off like this once you purchase more than 10Mbps? From the numbers I've seen, that's fairly common. Most of the cost is fixed regardless; if you want, say, 10Mbps, they'll probably have to set you up a DS3 circuit, which is capable of handling up to 45Mbps. Most bandwidth providers have to go through a local telco to get the DS3, and it'll cost them the same to have that circuit regardless of how much it's being used. If you need more bandwidth, hey, the circuit's already there, it's just a matter of turning up the bandwidth knob. Since the extra bandwidth is cheap (as compared to the costs of the actual circuit provisioning) it's to their benefit to sell you as much bandwidth as they can, because they'll probably make more profit that way. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] asset mgmt
Ditto on the in-house thing. It seemed to be as much work to integrate as it was to just do what we actually wanted. :-) -Hal -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] asset mgmt chris cooper wrote: Im sure some of you have many devices to manage/track. What packages are people using for asset management? We've tried a couple off the shelf inventory systems, but most of them are too complicated in all the wrong places. The problem is, of course, that they try to do everything that everyone could want, and thus include a lot of extraneous/irrelevant features, and to use the features you DO need, you have to find them in the middle of everything else. (As an aside, if anyone needs a couple of handheld barcode scanners, I may be able to hook you up...) We're presently using an in-house inventory system, that I'm still in the middle of writing. It doesn't have all the complex features, but it does just about everything we need (and the rest should be done fairly soon). As a bonus, it integrates fairly well with our billing system. Not everyone has a programmer in-house, but if you do, that's probably the best bet - you know you'll get something suited well to your needs. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] vendor specs
- Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Brad, Software controlled dual polarity might be nice. Not sure why you consistently harp on us though since no one else has it either other than your longtime preferred vendor. mks: I have Trango and over a dozen other brands of gear. That software polarity thing is the bomb. I can fix interference issues, almost any of them, from the office! Very very nice feature. I am not as convinced about your complaint about RSSI. Is it just used to RSSI like being used to feet in stead of meters. But also, isn't RSSI less sophisticated and a less useful number than SNR since it is only an indication of receive signal without discounting noise? SNR provides a more accurate representation of wanted signal since it discounts for unwanted noise. mks: rssi is critical to me. I make do without it but I hate to. It's impossible to troubleshoot the signal level that should be there We can calculate the value if we have it. SNR also helps, but I'd rather have rssi and noise in dB. If you want to do like lucent did 100 years ago and give us rssi, noise, AND snr in db AND/OR as a graph, that was very good stuff. mks: FYI, I've found that most radios massively misreport the true noise levels. Not sure of your complaint about the RJ45. No one else remarks about it and we don't have issues with water intrusion. In other words, it works well. If the opening was enlarged you increase the potential for water intrusion. mks: If you are gonna use a standard connector, use a standard connection. Following the color code? Yes, as an old cabling guy, I would agree. But I am pleased to note that one is really running out of things to harp about when one continually highlights this a major deficiency. So now that I have responded here to your public mail, will you please admit that even if the VL came to life and saved your kid from a flood you complain that it was not fast enough and that it ripped the kid's clothes. I wish some day you'd accept that your customer chose VL and you should take the opportunity to learn about it instead of still trying to make it fail so you can get them to switch to Trango. Even the best radios will have room for improvement and every decent brand should have something special that differentiates it. You work so hard to find fault you miss opportunities to become proficient in more than one brand. So accept our invitations to allow engineer visits and accept our invitations to be trained. Know what I mean? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] vendor specs
Again, Patrick, it's a troubleshooting too. If we have poor link quality but good signal, that's usually interference. If we have poor signal but good quality that can mean a bad antenna, tree in the path, multipath etc. Both are important. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs I should have also noted that per the info below, most Alvarion operators simply have a policy that they will only connect subscribers for whom a minimum number of the green LEDs will fire and hold. For example, having 4 for of the 8 green LEDs light should get you a link with the best mod level, but 5 will do that plus give you a margin of about 8dB. It is a simple thing once you get used to it, which does not take long. Remember, there is no standard way to show these things, but Id argue that what we show is more complete and real in terms of link quality. Just showing RSSI would dump it down, wouldnt it? Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick LearySent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:24 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Right, but the LED bar on the CPE can be used to do that. I mean, isn't SNR more complete than just RSSI, meaning if your SNR is good than the RSSI is by default good. Anyway, I have never heard of any moderately experienced VL user say the units did not convey enough info to easily establish a link and understand the quality of the connection. Consider that with the CPE VL radio the LEDs will show: WLAN link light- · Solid Green Unit is associated with an AU, no wireless link activity · Blinking Green Data received or transmitted on the wireless link, blinking rate is proportional to wireless traffic rate · Off Wireless link is disabled Status light · Solid Green Power is available and self-test passed · Blinking Amber Testing (not ready for operation) · Red Self-test failed fatal error Ethernet light · Solid Green Ethernet link between the indoor and outdoor units is detected, no activity · Blinking Green Ethernet connectivity is OK, with traffic on the port. Blinking rate proportional to traffic rate · Red No Ethernet connectivity between the indoor and outdoor units SNR bar · Red LED: Signal is too low (SNR4 dB) · Orange LED: Signal is too high (SNR 50 dB) · 8 green LEDs: Quality of the received signal (green LEDs translate per below) LED 1 (red) is On - Signal is too low (SNR 4 dB) LED 2 (green) is On - SNR 4 dB LEDs 2 to 3 (green) are On - SNR 8 dB LEDs 2 to 4 (green) are On - SNR 13 dB LEDs 2 to 5 (green) are On - SNR 19 dB LEDs 2 to 6 (green) are On - SNR 26 dB LEDs 2 to 7 (green) are On - SNR 31 dB LEDs 2 to 8 (green) are On - SNR 38 dB LEDs 2 to 9 (green) are On - SNR 44 dB LEDs 2 to 9 (green) and 10 (orange) are On Signal is too high (SNR 50 dB) Mod level : Sensitivity : Min. SNR (this chart for 20MHz channel) 1 : -89 dBm : 6 dB 2 : -88 dBm : 7 dB 3 : -86 dBm : 9 dB 4 : -84 dBm : 11 dB 5 : -81 dBm : 14 dB 6 : -77 dBm : 18 dB 7 : -73 dBm : 22 dB 8 : -71 dBm : 23 dB Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G. villariniSent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 8:48 AMTo: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Patrick, Rssi is very important to determine if a link is properly aligned and its achieving its link budget. Altough we dont use alvarion(yet), we are currently researching backhaul options and the way we comission ptp links here is that we run the calcs on radio mobile and spreedsheet to determine the link budget in advance to implementation. Snr wont help much there... Gino -Original Message- From: "Patrick Leary"[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 9/24/06 11:32:47 AM To: "WISPA General List"wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Brad, Software controlled dual polarity might be nice. Not sure why you consistently harp on us though since no one else has it either other than your longtime preferred vendor. I am not as convinced about your
RE: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon
Patrick, ditto on the 3650 band. However the reality is that self and external interference in the UL world is all too common. You say UL bands or at least VL doesn't need GPS capability because of so much capacity. If you want I can get you a list of wifi/trango/etc.-to-Canopy 'converts' that will tell you otherwise. Licensed carriers use GPS to greatly diminish what we experience as common day interference problems. IMO I can't blame the FCC for not giving more spectrum than they have as we've already trashed what we've been given. Lastly, what Moto did was brought GPS sync to the UL world however as standard option and in very economical form factor, not expensive chassis and such. If you haven't already, get your VL guys with your WIMAX guys and you could have a clear winner down the road! :) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Quoting Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jon, For sure I'm all over GPS for all licensed (world of small channels) and when there is a small amount of spectrum to work with in UL. For example, in the coming 3650MHz band, GPS should be a must for PMP. Same with scaled 900 (we offer it there). It is just not needed with VL. What for? It already gives massive capacity without any re-use. Even with GPS and re-use I do not think Canopy can get close to the amount of capacity VL can offer. Frankly, even if we had it for VL no one would buy it. No argument from me on the scheduled MAC front, except to the extent that in UL it needs to come with good interference mitigation (not talking about self-inflicted interference) techniques to make it useful. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon Hey Patrick, GPS...there's many reasons and it's not a canopy vs alvarion debate from my standpoint, more so a scheduled mac(canopy, wimax, 3G...) vs unscheduled(wifi, VL, currently Trango). I'd predict that as wisp education progresses, they will realize the power of scheduled mac and GPS support. By then maybe the rest of the BreezeMAX code will have made way to the VL engineers and everyone can be happy :-) Jon Langeler Michwave Tech. Patrick Leary wrote: Jon, Why is that the case? You really think GPS on Canopy is some cool feature? Canopy must have GPS to function. Without it, it kills itself. It is all to prevent self-inflicted interference (remember, Canopy does not even have ATPC) and to allow for channel re-use. Other systems, like VL, do not need it. It provides far more capacity than Canopy, so it does not need to re-use channels and with basic channel planning you don't have issues with self-interference. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(192). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Current Bandwidth Prices?
We pay $64/mb for 50 mb over fiber after the initial 10 meg commitment.24 mos commit on package c -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:58 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Current Bandwidth Prices? I pay $250 per meg for 95% percentile of usage on a 100 meg pipe. Or $200 per meg on average on a 10 meg pipe. Both are fiber connections. We have some 3 meg dsl links in remote towns that I pay $70 for. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: KyWiFi LLC To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 5:02 AM Subject: [WISPA] Current Bandwidth Prices? How much is everyone paying for good quality bandwidth? We're in the market for 10Mbps - 20Mbps and we're seeing pricing around $100 a meg for the bandwidth only (we'll be providing our own transit via wireless). This is for Sprint bandwidth via fiber (upstream has two OC12 circuits and has a ton of excess bandwidth available). I'm thinking about asking them for a quote for10Mbps/10Mbps burstable to 100Mbps/100Mbps. Anyone have a burstable plan like this with their upstream? How are high bandwidth burstable plans like this usually priced by a provider? One provider's quote difference between 10Mbps and 20Mbps was $400. Is this typical, do fiber prices really drop off like this once you purchase more than 10Mbps? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-FounderKyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky"Your Hometown Broadband Provider"http://www.KyWiFi.comCall Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet$14.99 Home Phone Service$19.99 All Digital Satellite TV- No Phone Line Required for DSL- FREE Activation Equipment- Affordable Upfront Pricing- Locally Owned Operated- We Also Service Most Rural Areas=== -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477 goes public????
Seems like this scenario was the biggest argument against the form. Not that we can do much. It's the law. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/78404 In an effort to get more accurate data, the Center for Public Democracy has sued http://www.publicintegrity.org/about/release.aspx?aid=64 the FCC to obtain a database that shows which companies serve which zip-codes, and how extensively. When acquired, the outfit will make it available via their Well Connected http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom/ website. The actual complaint is available here http://www.publicintegrity.org/docs/telecom/ComplaintFCC.pdf (pdf). Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (edit) Form 477 going public????
I should have said going public I don't wanna make it sound like something it isn't. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Seems like this scenario was the biggest argument against the form. Not that we can do much. It's the law. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/78404 In an effort to get more accurate data, the Center for Public Democracy has sued http://www.publicintegrity.org/about/release.aspx?aid=64 the FCC to obtain a database that shows which companies serve which zip-codes, and how extensively. When acquired, the outfit will make it available via their Well Connected http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom/ website. The actual complaint is available here http://www.publicintegrity.org/docs/telecom/ComplaintFCC.pdf (pdf). Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!?
Hello all, Im planning on purchasing some test equipment designed around the SR9 900 MHz equipment. Im debating between MikroTik and WRAP boards at the moment and have found an outdoor enclosure that should work fine. However, the big question is what antennas to use for both the AP and the CPE. I found some sites that offer 900 MHz Omnis but the prices are CRAZY! Into the $300 range! As for a client side it seems to be a little more realistic of around $20 up to the hundreds of dollars depending on the type needed. Am I crazy or am I destined to pay about $300 for an Omni-directional antenna!? Also, if anybody has any EXACT configurations they would like to recommend for my first SR9 AP and CPE setup please feel free to post the details of you recommended configurations! Thanks! Sincerely, Joshua M. Andrews www.QCSitter.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!?
$300 is the going rate I've seen for vertical. I've seen prices of $1200 for horizontal. http://www.pacwireless.com/products/ODH9-9.shtml http://www.pacwireless.com/products/omni_900mhz.shtml Brian Joshua M. Andrews wrote: Hello all, I’m planning on purchasing some test equipment designed around the SR9 900 MHz equipment. I’m debating between MikroTik and WRAP boards at the moment and have found an outdoor enclosure that should work fine. However, the big question is what antennas to use for both the AP and the CPE. I found some sites that offer 900 MHz Omni’s but the prices are CRAZY! Into the $300 range! As for a client side it seems to be a little more realistic of around $20 up to the hundreds of dollars depending on the type needed. Am I crazy or am I destined to pay about $300 for an Omni-directional antenna!? Also, if anybody has any EXACT configurations they would like to recommend for my first SR9 AP and CPE setup please feel free to post the details of you recommended configurations! Thanks! Sincerely, Joshua M. Andrews www.QCSitter.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!?
Well, I'm deploying SR9's with MikroTik next week. Can't beat the RB112's for price. Put them in the Pac-wireless NEMA boxes for clients with yagis and hoping to see the 900 MHz Rootennas soon We will be using RB532A's for our AP's. I'm planning on using Netstream with polling for our setup. Also considering cavity filters on the AP's. After testing, we are going H-pol only on 900 MHz. Better range and lower noise floor... 900 MHz H-pol omnis are $800+!! Waiting on a friend to send me some 900 MHz panels for testing Soon, I hope Looking at a trick to use two 60deg Hpol panels together, but have to wait for them to get here Joshua M. Andrews wrote: Hello all, Im planning on purchasing some test equipment designed around the SR9 900 MHz equipment. Im debating between MikroTik and WRAP boards at the moment and have found an outdoor enclosure that should work fine. However, the big question is what antennas to use for both the AP and the CPE. I found some sites that offer 900 MHz Omnis but the prices are CRAZY! Into the $300 range! As for a client side it seems to be a little more realistic of around $20 up to the hundreds of dollars depending on the type needed. Am I crazy or am I destined to pay about $300 for an Omni-directional antenna!? Also, if anybody has any EXACT configurations they would like to recommend for my first SR9 AP and CPE setup please feel free to post the details of you recommended configurations! Thanks! Sincerely, Joshua M. Andrews www.QCSitter.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!?
Also check with http://www.superpass.com You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Blair Davis wrote: Well, I'm deploying SR9's with MikroTik next week. Can't beat the RB112's for price. Put them in the Pac-wireless NEMA boxes for clients with yagis and hoping to see the 900 MHz Rootennas soon We will be using RB532A's for our AP's. I'm planning on using Netstream with polling for our setup. Also considering cavity filters on the AP's. After testing, we are going H-pol only on 900 MHz. Better range and lower noise floor... 900 MHz H-pol omnis are $800+!! Waiting on a friend to send me some 900 MHz panels for testing Soon, I hope Looking at a trick to use two 60deg Hpol panels together, but have to wait for them to get here Joshua M. Andrews wrote: Hello all, Im planning on purchasing some test equipment designed around the SR9 900 MHz equipment. Im debating between MikroTik and WRAP boards at the moment and have found an outdoor enclosure that should work fine. However, the big question is what antennas to use for both the AP and the CPE. I found some sites that offer 900 MHz Omnis but the prices are CRAZY! Into the $300 range! As for a client side it seems to be a little more realistic of around $20 up to the hundreds of dollars depending on the type needed. Am I crazy or am I destined to pay about $300 for an Omni-directional antenna!? Also, if anybody has any EXACT configurations they would like to recommend for my first SR9 AP and CPE setup please feel free to post the details of you recommended configurations! Thanks! Sincerely, Joshua M. Andrews www.QCSitter.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!?
I know someone that has a 900MHz Rootenna. Disappointed that they are only about 1 deep inside. RB112 is just under 1-1/4. He made it fit, but not happy about the way it went together. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:54:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!? Well, I'm deploying SR9's with MikroTik next week. Can't beat the RB112's for price. Put them in the Pac-wireless NEMA boxes for clients with yagis and hoping to see the 900 MHz Rootennas soon We will be using RB532A's for our AP's. I'm planning on using Netstream with polling for our setup. Also considering cavity filters on the AP's. After testing, we are going H-pol only on 900 MHz. Better range and lower noise floor... 900 MHz H-pol omnis are $800+!! Waiting on a friend to send me some 900 MHz panels for testing Soon, I hope Looking at a trick to use two 60deg Hpol panels together, but have to wait for them to get here Joshua M. Andrews wrote: Hello all, Im planning on purchasing some test equipment designed around the SR9 900 MHz equipment. Im debating between MikroTik and WRAP boards at the moment and have found an outdoor enclosure that should work fine. However, the big question is what antennas to use for both the AP and the CPE. I found some sites that offer 900 MHz Omnis but the prices are CRAZY! Into the $300 range! As for a client side it seems to be a little more realistic of around $20 up to the hundreds of dollars depending on the type needed. Am I crazy or am I destined to pay about $300 for an Omni-directional antenna!? Also, if anybody has any EXACT configurations they would like to recommend for my first SR9 AP and CPE setup please feel free to post the details of you recommended configurations! Thanks! Sincerely, Joshua M. Andrews www.QCSitter.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!?
If they are only one inch deep, they will be close to useless. Scott Reed wrote: I know someone that has a 900MHz Rootenna. Disappointed that they are only about 1" deep inside. RB112 is just under 1-1/4". He made it fit, but not happy about the way it went together. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:54:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!? Well, I'm deploying SR9's with MikroTik next week. Can't beat the RB112's for price. Put them in the Pac-wireless NEMA boxes for clients with yagis and hoping to see the 900 MHz Rootennas soon We will be using RB532A's for our AP's. I'm planning on using Netstream with polling for our setup. Also considering cavity filters on the AP's. After testing, we are going H-pol only on 900 MHz. Better range and lower noise floor... 900 MHz H-pol omnis are $800+!! Waiting on a friend to send me some 900 MHz panels for testing Soon, I hope Looking at a trick to use two 60deg Hpol panels together, but have to wait for them to get here Joshua M. Andrews wrote: Hello all, Im planning on purchasing some test equipment designed around the SR9 900 MHz equipment. Im debating between MikroTik and WRAP boards at the moment and have found an outdoor enclosure that should work fine. However, the big question is what antennas to use for both the AP and the CPE. I found some sites that offer 900 MHz Omnis but the prices are CRAZY! Into the $300 range! As for a client side it seems to be a little more realistic of around $20 up to the hundreds of dollars depending on the type needed. Am I crazy or am I destined to pay about $300 for an Omni-directional antenna!? Also, if anybody has any EXACT configurations they would like to recommend for my first SR9 AP and CPE setup please feel free to post the details of you recommended configurations! Thanks! Sincerely, Joshua M. Andrews www.QCSitter.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 --- End of Original Message --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 goes public????
With an extremly small percentage of Wisp's filling the numbers will be way off anyway. I personally do not think my client count is anyones business other than staff. I kinda wish I never would have filed now. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 goes public I wonder how or if the privacy checkbox will effect the released data if they win. Also the information will be relatively worthless for what these people are supposedly looking for. When the form is filled out, we only report total numbers and zip codes covered. Granted if you serve only 1 zip code then it is obvious where your customers are. Even in my small coverage area I serve 4 zip codes and only one of them has any substatial number of customers. What I will find disturbing is if they are successful in getting my customer count released. So what if I find out that Qwest has umpteen billion DSL customers and they serve my zip code. I already knew that. However if Qwest of any of the miriade of resellers can see that I have X customers in my area they may decide that marketing there is now a good idea because of the uptake potential. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Seems like this scenario was the biggest argument against the form. Not that we can do much. It's the law. http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/78404 In an effort to get more accurate data, the Center for Public Democracy has sued http://www.publicintegrity.org/about/release.aspx?aid=64 the FCC to obtain a database that shows which companies serve which zip-codes, and how extensively. When acquired, the outfit will make it available via their Well Connected http://www.publicintegrity.org/telecom/ website. The actual complaint is available here http://www.publicintegrity.org/docs/telecom/ComplaintFCC.pdf (pdf). Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MT Bridge quits bridging.
I have a Mikrotik unit that had been running pretty flawlessly for almost a year that has failed 3 times in the last 2 1/2 days or so. The unit is a RB532 with MT 2.9.28 on it, 32 MB Ram, 265Mhz processor, Atheros AR5213 radio bridged to ether1, WDS, associated to its sister unit for a ptp link. When it fails, I can ping and log in to the radio from either interface. There doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary, I have all logging set to remote, and nothing shows up on the log server, but no traffic seems to be bridged between the ether1 and wlan1 interfaces. Ping watchdog doesn't do any good, since both interfaces work fine, and pings from the unit to network devices on either side of the bridge are successful. Pings through the unit fail however, as does all other traffic.. Power cycling the unit, or logging in to it and executing a reboot fixes it. Any ideas what is causing this to happen, or how to prevent it? I suspect malicious packets being sent through (or to.. although it has only an rfc 1918 address on it) the unit as the culprit. I do have a few firewall rules on it, although that is minimal. The last two times it locked up were just before 5:00 pm. Maybe when the kids got home from school and someone turned on a virus infected computer? John Vogel -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!?
I got spam from Tranzeo today informing me of some omni 900's for under 100 bux. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: Joshua M. Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz Omni-Directional Antennas PRICE!? Hello all, I'm planning on purchasing some test equipment designed around the SR9 900 MHz equipment. I'm debating between MikroTik and WRAP boards at the moment and have found an outdoor enclosure that should work fine. However, the big question is what antennas to use for both the AP and the CPE. I found some sites that offer 900 MHz Omni's but the prices are CRAZY! Into the $300 range! As for a client side it seems to be a little more realistic of around $20 up to the hundreds of dollars depending on the type needed. Am I crazy or am I destined to pay about $300 for an Omni-directional antenna!? Also, if anybody has any EXACT configurations they would like to recommend for my first SR9 AP and CPE setup please feel free to post the details of you recommended configurations! Thanks! Sincerely, Joshua M. Andrews www.QCSitter.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
