RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please
I am not a personal fan of PPPoE as I consider it just another layer of complexity and failure for the network. A lot of people use it in the US for user authentication and control though. If I were starting out new, I would consider other alternatives to these two problems. For wireless client isolation, many APs on the market now (and that have been on the market) support this feature. Linux-based devices with MAC filtering rules (e.g. ebtables) can use a simple rule to check if the destination MAC is the gateway (if so, pass it) or not (don't pass it). For the user authentication and control via radius, you can look at certificate-based, username/password-based, etc. that are all based on standards and are much more secure. If you APs support VSSIDs, then you can run a combination of these on one AP. :-) -Hal Harold Bledsoe Deliberant LLC 800.742.9865 x205 (office) 404.693.0660 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.deliberant.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please Are any of you running PPPoE on your client connections back to a PPPoE concentrator? Is this a good approach? I have heard that one big advantage of this is that you can setup Radius to set everything up for authentication very easily and that you can set every client up as their own individual subnet so that they are all routed back to your PPPoE concentrator / router in your office. I would think this would address many of the client to client radio traffic concerns of CALEA without changing any APs. Isn't this a fix for that one concern? Does that make sense? If not then why not? I like the idea of easily managing my accounts for turning them on or off for non-payment and automatically setting bandwidth rules. I use Radius in a big way for my existing dialup customer base and this sounds like the berries to me. I welcome other thoughts from those who are using or considering using PPPoE or similar techniques. Any alternatives which work better? Happy Easter guys and gals, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please
Scriv, We use Redback for PPPoE authentication to around 15,000 subs. It's a breeze for customer accounting and really simplifies routing static IP's, subnets and private contexts. We are also in the VOIP arena where PPPoE has failed us. PPPoE encapsulation will strip most of your QoS. Keep that in mind. -Eric John Scrivner wrote: Are any of you running PPPoE on your client connections back to a PPPoE concentrator? Is this a good approach? I have heard that one big advantage of this is that you can setup Radius to set everything up for authentication very easily and that you can set every client up as their own individual subnet so that they are all routed back to your PPPoE concentrator / router in your office. I would think this would address many of the client to client radio traffic concerns of CALEA without changing any APs. Isn't this a fix for that one concern? Does that make sense? If not then why not? I like the idea of easily managing my accounts for turning them on or off for non-payment and automatically setting bandwidth rules. I use Radius in a big way for my existing dialup customer base and this sounds like the berries to me. I welcome other thoughts from those who are using or considering using PPPoE or similar techniques. Any alternatives which work better? Happy Easter guys and gals, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please
How so? -Original Message- We are also in the VOIP arena where PPPoE has failed us. PPPoE encapsulation will strip most of your QoS. Keep that in mind. -Eric -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please
Once you encapsulate VoIP in PPPoE then QoS is unavailable to any device in the middle; which is where most of the bottlenecks in bandwidth are. So you gain something and lose something more important. We have moved all of our VOIP subscribers to DHCP w/ VLAN priorities that are mapped to Diffserve and related VoIP priorities however. This cannot be done easily or at all via PPPoE. -Eric Smith, Rick wrote: How so? -Original Message- We are also in the VOIP arena where PPPoE has failed us. PPPoE encapsulation will strip most of your QoS. Keep that in mind. -Eric -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please
so, ok, can't you use pppoe for just client -> tower ? QoS them all right at the tower sites... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please Once you encapsulate VoIP in PPPoE then QoS is unavailable to any device in the middle; which is where most of the bottlenecks in bandwidth are. So you gain something and lose something more important. We have moved all of our VOIP subscribers to DHCP w/ VLAN priorities that are mapped to Diffserve and related VoIP priorities however. This cannot be done easily or at all via PPPoE. -Eric Smith, Rick wrote: > How so? > > -Original Message- > > We are also in the VOIP arena where PPPoE has failed us. PPPoE > encapsulation will strip most of your QoS. > Keep that in mind. > > -Eric > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please
You could, but I think your QoS would get very crippled. Each device between your ATA/PC and core router/softswitch would need to be able to read your QoS markings within the PPPoE encapsulation. You simply cannot prioritize tagged packets within PPPoE encapsulation end-to-end very efficiently. That has been our experience. -Eric Smith, Rick wrote: so, ok, can't you use pppoe for just client -> tower ? QoS them all right at the tower sites... -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Use PR to educate lawmakers, decision makers in your community
Fellow WISPA members: We are beginning a PR campaign to enlist the help of our local, state and national representatives into supporting the need to set aside bandwidth in the whitespace frequencies for wireless broadband. Loudoun County in Northern Virginia is probably much like your coverage area (except you folks in the desert region) in that you have large areas to cover. Some or much of that area is probably forested or tree landscaped which essentially precludes many people from getting a reliable signal. If solons can see that these people represent potential votes then they might be convinced to get on board and support us. Congress has sent a message to the FCC that it may be exercising more control over such things as frequency allocations and serving the public good. If we can get them in our corner the FCC might give us more credence. It also would not hurt to place a call to your local newspapers and radio stations to get them interested in this story, especially if you can bring service to those in the hinterlands who have only dreamed of it. I am a former newspaper editor and editor of a business magazine and would be willing to help any member seeking advice how to do this. Many news media outlets, especially in smaller markets, would probably appreciate a high-tech story. The key is to explain the advantages offered through these frequencies as well as what problems face companies willing to invest in the technology. Just remember not to get to technical or jargon where you don't lose the reporter. Always ask if they understand the concept and if not devote the time to explain it to them. If you don't what gets printed or aired could end up being in error or just so much dross. David T. Hughes Director, Corporate Communications Roadstar Internet 604 South King Street -Suite 200 Leesburg, VA 20175 -HOME OF INET LOUDOUN- Office - (703) 234-9969 Direct - (703) 953-1645 Cell -(703) 587-3282 Corporate Offices - (703) 554-6621 Fax - (703) 258-0003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: dhughes248 - Video conference capable -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please
why not use ap's that already have radius clients in them? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Smith, Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please so, ok, can't you use pppoe for just client -> tower ? QoS them all right at the tower sites... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PPPoE The good, the bad and the ugly please Once you encapsulate VoIP in PPPoE then QoS is unavailable to any device in the middle; which is where most of the bottlenecks in bandwidth are. So you gain something and lose something more important. We have moved all of our VOIP subscribers to DHCP w/ VLAN priorities that are mapped to Diffserve and related VoIP priorities however. This cannot be done easily or at all via PPPoE. -Eric Smith, Rick wrote: How so? -Original Message- We are also in the VOIP arena where PPPoE has failed us. PPPoE encapsulation will strip most of your QoS. Keep that in mind. -Eric -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
I do but I don't believe it's necessary. It's often just more convenient. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? > I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will > usually know before they do that things are slow or not working > because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. > > This builds trust with my clients. > > ... > > > Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the > CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange > > So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your > own service? > > ryan > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
Well, the reason I built my network was to GET an internet connection... Ryan Spott wrote: I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
I was customer number 1 on my network. I still use my own connection to my home. One of my ex-employees used to tell me he liked the fact that I "ate my own dogfood". I always thought that was a humorous metaphor. I think it is good to use your own service so you can see what the service is like for your customer. If it works well then chances are your customers are happy. If it stinks then maybe you need to make changes. Monitoring tools are a good indicator of where you need to work on things but nothing beats using it yourself in my opinion. Scriv Blair Davis wrote: Well, the reason I built my network was to GET an internet connection... Ryan Spott wrote: I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
Agreed. I was the first customer on my service, too...only game in town, now Qwest and Comcast. I think it is an advantage to experience your own product, just not necessary. The original comment was that it was 'strange' for the CEO not to use his own service. I'm saying that it's not that strange and not necessary, but it is helpful. ;) Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? I was customer number 1 on my network. I still use my own connection to my home. One of my ex-employees used to tell me he liked the fact that I "ate my own dogfood". I always thought that was a humorous metaphor. I think it is good to use your own service so you can see what the service is like for your customer. If it works well then chances are your customers are happy. If it stinks then maybe you need to make changes. Monitoring tools are a good indicator of where you need to work on things but nothing beats using it yourself in my opinion. Scriv Blair Davis wrote: Well, the reason I built my network was to GET an internet connection... Ryan Spott wrote: I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
Not all owners are fortunate enough to be able to get their own service. I have to use Charter cable because I cannot get my own service's signals. I would switch in a heartbeat if I could. Dave - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? Agreed. I was the first customer on my service, too...only game in town, now Qwest and Comcast. I think it is an advantage to experience your own product, just not necessary. The original comment was that it was 'strange' for the CEO not to use his own service. I'm saying that it's not that strange and not necessary, but it is helpful. ;) Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? I was customer number 1 on my network. I still use my own connection to my home. One of my ex-employees used to tell me he liked the fact that I "ate my own dogfood". I always thought that was a humorous metaphor. I think it is good to use your own service so you can see what the service is like for your customer. If it works well then chances are your customers are happy. If it stinks then maybe you need to make changes. Monitoring tools are a good indicator of where you need to work on things but nothing beats using it yourself in my opinion. Scriv Blair Davis wrote: Well, the reason I built my network was to GET an internet connection... Ryan Spott wrote: I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
We use our own service which supplies just over 250 users spanning 120 km of the Robson Valley in BC. I cannot stress enough how important that is to be able to see problems immediately and not just be taking calls to describe the situation. We are more fortunate than most in that we also write our own code and put our own boxes together so we get to optimize it in response to the problems we see. The real world is a way better test bed than the lab. Lonnie On 4/9/07, Ryan Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
Then you need to expand your service. :) Travis Microserv David Sovereen wrote: Not all owners are fortunate enough to be able to get their own service. I have to use Charter cable because I cannot get my own service's signals. I would switch in a heartbeat if I could. Dave - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? Agreed. I was the first customer on my service, too...only game in town, now Qwest and Comcast. I think it is an advantage to experience your own product, just not necessary. The original comment was that it was 'strange' for the CEO not to use his own service. I'm saying that it's not that strange and not necessary, but it is helpful. ;) Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? I was customer number 1 on my network. I still use my own connection to my home. One of my ex-employees used to tell me he liked the fact that I "ate my own dogfood". I always thought that was a humorous metaphor. I think it is good to use your own service so you can see what the service is like for your customer. If it works well then chances are your customers are happy. If it stinks then maybe you need to make changes. Monitoring tools are a good indicator of where you need to work on things but nothing beats using it yourself in my opinion. Scriv Blair Davis wrote: Well, the reason I built my network was to GET an internet connection... Ryan Spott wrote: I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
The most fun I have is using my own connection. I always want to make it better and drool over how fast it is. Sort of like a gear head of broadband But it doesn't really tell me how well the rest of the network is. For that we monitor the network to keep us posted of any issues, we use nagios, and we graph as much as possible to see high usage. And then to boot we are always connecting to our ap's to see what the performance is when we're out and about. I have wanted to buy charter and qwest connections, just to experience their network and see what the billing looks like. Only problem is, if I was to buy their services, they would start telling everyone I use their service and not mine. John Scrivner wrote: I was customer number 1 on my network. I still use my own connection to my home. One of my ex-employees used to tell me he liked the fact that I "ate my own dogfood". I always thought that was a humorous metaphor. I think it is good to use your own service so you can see what the service is like for your customer. If it works well then chances are your customers are happy. If it stinks then maybe you need to make changes. Monitoring tools are a good indicator of where you need to work on things but nothing beats using it yourself in my opinion. Scriv Blair Davis wrote: Well, the reason I built my network was to GET an internet connection... Ryan Spott wrote: I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
George Rogato wrote: I have wanted to buy charter and qwest connections, just to experience their network and see what the billing looks like. Only problem is, if I was to buy their services, they would start telling everyone I use their service and not mine. Having something like this is helpful for a number of reasons. There's the ones you mentioned (just being familiar with the competition), plus the more obscure benefits. Suppose some really key router on your network completely dies, and you need to figure out how to repair or replace it. Obviously, since this hardware is dead, you can't use your own service. Having a true backup connection to the Internet does come in handy from time to time. Also, chances are you can't provide service to everyone that calls your office who wants it. If I can't help someone, and I know I won't be able to in the reasonable future (say, in the next couple years), I've got no problem explaining what their other options are, and it's easier to do that if you know what's out there. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
Yes... I agree... I have a dedicated connection from our main NOC to my house... 20Mbps+... :) However, we also have a CableOne connection at our office for testing connectivity, speed tests, etc. It comes in handy. We also "remote" monitor our main backbone routers using this connection... so if our main router dies, we still get SMS on our cell phones... ;) Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: The most fun I have is using my own connection. I always want to make it better and drool over how fast it is. Sort of like a gear head of broadband But it doesn't really tell me how well the rest of the network is. For that we monitor the network to keep us posted of any issues, we use nagios, and we graph as much as possible to see high usage. And then to boot we are always connecting to our ap's to see what the performance is when we're out and about. I have wanted to buy charter and qwest connections, just to experience their network and see what the billing looks like. Only problem is, if I was to buy their services, they would start telling everyone I use their service and not mine. John Scrivner wrote: I was customer number 1 on my network. I still use my own connection to my home. One of my ex-employees used to tell me he liked the fact that I "ate my own dogfood". I always thought that was a humorous metaphor. I think it is good to use your own service so you can see what the service is like for your customer. If it works well then chances are your customers are happy. If it stinks then maybe you need to make changes. Monitoring tools are a good indicator of where you need to work on things but nothing beats using it yourself in my opinion. Scriv Blair Davis wrote: Well, the reason I built my network was to GET an internet connection... Ryan Spott wrote: I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
I use my wireless and telco dsl. I have some customers on ap's that belong to friendly competitors. I have my own email and a yahoo account. If at all possible, I'll always have access to SOMETHING. When I can swing the budget I'll also get a sat. connection and mount it on a trailer. I'll make that a mobile system that will allow me to set up a hotspot anywhere. marlon - Original Message - From: "Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New Vendor Member - BearHill Security
WISPA is working hard to develop a standard and to enable WISPs to work through the issues which will enable us to meet all the CALEA requirements. WISPA's newest Vendor Member is BearHill Security which is a company that specializes in dealing with CALEA issues. We welcome them to WISPA and look forward to working with them in regard to CALEA and other security related efforts. Here is some information about BearHill Security in their own words: BearHill is a Trusted Third Party provider (TTP) of CALEA compliance services and offers a managed CALEA compliance solution. Over the past seven years, BearHill has developed a deep repertoire of forensic investigation expertise through our information security consultancy. Our CALEA Compliance Service allows broadband service providers to take advantage of BearHill's specialized expertise to enable compliance with CALEA's assistance capability requirement. The CALEA compliance service from BearHill utilizes a customer network based intercept access point that; enables CALEA readiness compliance, provides electronic surveillance capabilities, and delivers relevant information to law enforcement in industry standard ATIS T1.IAS format. You can learn more at www.bearhill.com. Best regards, Tim Kery -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
