Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
There are definitely good benifits from using your own service. Nevertheless, there are also benifits from using the competition--you learn how they do things. This can be especially good with the big players who are quite good at putting together install kits that are economical, scale well, and are quite easy for the customer (reduces load on tech support). A lot of their stuff is quite slick--it's worth looking it from time to time. -- Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies 800.783.5753 On 4/9/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use my wireless and telco dsl. I have some customers on ap's that belong to friendly competitors. I have my own email and a yahoo account. If at all possible, I'll always have access to SOMETHING. When I can swing the budget I'll also get a sat. connection and mount it on a trailer. I'll make that a mobile system that will allow me to set up a hotspot anywhere. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
Most (if not all) of your employees should use your service as well. It's called drinking the kool-aid. FYI... Coke, Pepsi, Miller and Bud require that each employees' household only drink their kool-aid. In NC, a Coke driver was fired for having lunch at a restaurant that only sold Pepsi. In Tampa, a buddy used to work for the Miller distributor and his daughter left a 6 pack of Bud in the fridge - almost got him fired when some of the employees were over for a BBQ. You have to drink the punch in order to sell it effectively. Sales is about taking your enthusiasm or passion for the service and transferring it to th eprospect. Also, how can a skeptical prospect take your word for it when you don't drink from the punch bowl??? Regards, Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service?
I use my competitors wireless, as I can not service myself. I can tell you that I have nothing to worry about, as I never get more than 512k down, and that is at 2AM. We do cooperate though, and they have hooked up some of their customers to my service. It does make me feel good about myself, knowing I am doing as good of a job if not better than my neighbors. :-) Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I use my wireless and telco dsl. I have some customers on ap's that belong to friendly competitors. I have my own email and a yahoo account. If at all possible, I'll always have access to SOMETHING. When I can swing the budget I'll also get a sat. connection and mount it on a trailer. I'll make that a mobile system that will allow me to set up a hotspot anywhere. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? I always tell my clients that I use my own service and that I will usually know before they do that things are slow or not working because my family will call me MUCH faster than any client. This builds trust with my clients. ... Recently I was emailed by another WISP in my area and I noticed the CEO was NOT using his own serviceStrange So with all this being said, I was wondering... how many of you use your own service? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service -- Part 2!
Of you that have employees... 1. Do you 'require' that the use your service if available? 2. If so, how do you charge them for using your services? a. Those that are actively involved in maintaining your network... b. Those that are employees, but have no direct responsibility for the networks maintenance (clerical, sales, etc.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? Most (if not all) of your employees should use your service as well. It's called drinking the kool-aid. FYI... Coke, Pepsi, Miller and Bud require that each employees' household only drink their kool-aid. In NC, a Coke driver was fired for having lunch at a restaurant that only sold Pepsi. In Tampa, a buddy used to work for the Miller distributor and his daughter left a 6 pack of Bud in the fridge - almost got him fired when some of the employees were over for a BBQ. You have to drink the punch in order to sell it effectively. Sales is about taking your enthusiasm or passion for the service and transferring it to th eprospect. Also, how can a skeptical prospect take your word for it when you don't drink from the punch bowl??? Regards, Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service -- Part 2!
We've always given the service to our employees for free. But my employees are mostly all long term. Cliff Leboeuf wrote: Of you that have employees... 1. Do you 'require' that the use your service if available? 2. If so, how do you charge them for using your services? a. Those that are actively involved in maintaining your network... b. Those that are employees, but have no direct responsibility for the networks maintenance (clerical, sales, etc.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? Most (if not all) of your employees should use your service as well. It's called drinking the kool-aid. FYI... Coke, Pepsi, Miller and Bud require that each employees' household only drink their kool-aid. In NC, a Coke driver was fired for having lunch at a restaurant that only sold Pepsi. In Tampa, a buddy used to work for the Miller distributor and his daughter left a 6 pack of Bud in the fridge - almost got him fired when some of the employees were over for a BBQ. You have to drink the punch in order to sell it effectively. Sales is about taking your enthusiasm or passion for the service and transferring it to th eprospect. Also, how can a skeptical prospect take your word for it when you don't drink from the punch bowl??? Regards, Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
At absolute total effort, conserve and be respectful to 900Mhz spectrum. 900 is very unique spectrum in demand, with little available. Interference can be picked up from 30 miles away easilly. There are also many 900 uses that use jsut small slices here and there. And there are many things that can kill the upper channels. The best policy is to use the minimum you need, so that you leave room for others not to interfer with you. The others that use 900, often use it for less critical applications and they'll deploy with little remorse or knowledge that you are fighting on the same channels with interference. I'd rarely use over 6mhz channels, unless you live in a desolate jungle, with no one to interfere with, and lots of hills to block your signal from going to far out. If you absolutely must use 900 to get around obstructuions and absolutely need the higher capacity, then to get a wider channel size, use directional Yagis, and cavity filters to clean up the high and low end, if needed to minimize interference. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jim Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help Folks, I'm just entering into the 900MHz space and would appreciate any advice on channel selection and channel width settings. TIA, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service -- Part 2!
We provide our services free off charge to all our employees when we can. Unfortunately there is more then one we can not provide free service to due to LOS issues etc of course they can always get a free dialup acct with us but consider they work here that generally don't cut it in those cases they generally use Cox getting 6Mbit service. / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 08:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service -- Part 2! Of you that have employees... 1. Do you 'require' that the use your service if available? 2. If so, how do you charge them for using your services? a. Those that are actively involved in maintaining your network... b. Those that are employees, but have no direct responsibility for the networks maintenance (clerical, sales, etc.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? Most (if not all) of your employees should use your service as well. It's called drinking the kool-aid. FYI... Coke, Pepsi, Miller and Bud require that each employees' household only drink their kool-aid. In NC, a Coke driver was fired for having lunch at a restaurant that only sold Pepsi. In Tampa, a buddy used to work for the Miller distributor and his daughter left a 6 pack of Bud in the fridge - almost got him fired when some of the employees were over for a BBQ. You have to drink the punch in order to sell it effectively. Sales is about taking your enthusiasm or passion for the service and transferring it to th eprospect. Also, how can a skeptical prospect take your word for it when you don't drink from the punch bowl??? Regards, Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] -- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help
I third the comment. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz Help I agree with Mac. Trango 900mhz just works. Travis Mac Dearman wrote: Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Mac, What 900 MHz gear do you use? 100% Trango :-P The dual electrically selectable polarity and their reliability just keep me coming back to them! Mac -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service -- Part 2!
- Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:31 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service -- Part 2! Of you that have employees... 1. Do you 'require' that the use your service if available? mks: That's never been an issue. Ours is best so that's what they want... 2. If so, how do you charge them for using your services? mks: No, it's free to them. They have to buy their own radio but service is free to them. It's one of the bennies of working here. Other than working for me it's probably the only one :-) a. Those that are actively involved in maintaining your network... b. Those that are employees, but have no direct responsibility for the networks maintenance (clerical, sales, etc.) mks: Don't have any of those. marlon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service? Most (if not all) of your employees should use your service as well. It's called drinking the kool-aid. FYI... Coke, Pepsi, Miller and Bud require that each employees' household only drink their kool-aid. In NC, a Coke driver was fired for having lunch at a restaurant that only sold Pepsi. In Tampa, a buddy used to work for the Miller distributor and his daughter left a 6 pack of Bud in the fridge - almost got him fired when some of the employees were over for a BBQ. You have to drink the punch in order to sell it effectively. Sales is about taking your enthusiasm or passion for the service and transferring it to th eprospect. Also, how can a skeptical prospect take your word for it when you don't drink from the punch bowl??? Regards, Peter Radizeski @ RAD-INFO, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many of you actually use your own service -- Part 2!
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 2. If so, how do you charge them for using your services? mks: No, it's free to them. They have to buy their own radio but service is free to them. It's one of the bennies of working here. Other than working for me it's probably the only one :-) I make us all beta test new equipment. So they don't pay, they get to be guinea pigs. Although I've never put anything up that is not known to work already. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need and Excuse to visit PR?
Hey Guys, get yout butt down here for the: 19th Arin Reunion: http://www.arin.net/ARIN-XIX/index.html or: 29th ICANN Reunion http://icannsanjuan.pr/ You're all invited to our worlclass Convetion Center where the meetings will be held, Arin is in April, ICANN in July. Bring your swimsuit and enjoy our beaches and calid climate! Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Senao Ap
We have deployed a couple dozen Senao aps, both the 2611 and 3220. All are less than a yr. old. Approximately half have died and exhibited the same symptoms: Lan connectivity good, broadcast good, users can connect but not get out onto the network. Has anyone else seen this? Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Senao Ap
Yes, I believe it is an issue that was mentioned before concerning certain intel chipsets in laptops vs a CB3 in AP mode. It seems to be cropping up more and more for me. I has swapped out one hotsport with an old ezbridge and am looking to replace another two with deliberant aps this week. The original thread was either here or on isp-wireless and I'm pretty sure it had either CB3 or 2611 in the subject. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless chris cooper wrote: We have deployed a couple dozen Senao aps, both the 2611 and 3220. All are less than a yr. old. Approximately half have died and exhibited the same symptoms: Lan connectivity good, broadcast good, users can connect but not get out onto the network. Has anyone else seen this? Thanks Chris Cooper Intelliwave -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MuniFi: Build it and they still don’t come?
http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/munifi-build-it-and-they-still-dont-come/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MuniFi: Build it and they stilldon't come?
Surely you don't see this as any kind of surprise? Like I've been saying all along, the Cellular guys will dominate the Mobile User market. Muni-Networks are, IMO, largely a get rich quick scheme for the few that are talented enough to sway overeager city counsels into writing big checks for a service nobody wants. It's all a feel good scam at the expense of the taxpayer. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MuniFi: Build it and they stilldon't come? http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/munifi-build-it-and-they-still-dont-come/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Amherst, MA
Is anyone serving the Amherst, MA area? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MuniFi: Build it and they stilldon't come?
Brad Belton wrote: Surely you don't see this as any kind of surprise? Like I've been saying all along, the Cellular guys will dominate the Mobile User market. Muni-Networks are, IMO, largely a get rich quick scheme for the few that are talented enough to sway overeager city counsels into writing big checks for a service nobody wants. It's all a feel good scam at the expense of the taxpayer. Best, Brad AMEN! Too bad the rest of the people don't yet understand this. Portland is not doing well either: Portland Wi-Fi Sucks Inside and Out, says independent evaluation March 29th 2007 11:51am http://www.wweek.com/wwire/?p=7518 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MuniFi: Build it and they stilldon’t come?
Umm, Suprised? Im not. Many here figured as much. Until they can figure out how to get bandwidth in the house at comparable speeds to cable and dsl the take rate will be low. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] MuniFi: Build it and they stilldon’t come? http://gigaom.com/2007/04/10/munifi-build-it-and-they-still-dont-come/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New WISPA Principal Member - Summer Communications
This is a new one for me. This new member started life as a cable operator and has since sold out of that part of the business to focus solely on their WISP operation! Please welcome Jaron Parsons of Summer Communications. Jaron has said as soon as the cable company sell off is completed he hopes to volunteer his time to help our efforts along with supporting us with his dues. Thank you Jaron. We welcome the help. Here is a bit about Jaron and Summer Communications in their own words: I am the manager of the Networking and Wireless Division of Sumner Communications in Wellington, Kansas. Our company began as the Local Cable TV company here in wellington about 25 years ago, in 2002 I joined the company as it was having many growing pains with the Internet and technology related to providing the Internet. We were one of the first companies to offer Cable Modem service in Kansas. I began with building the company into a state of the art Internet provider with the cable modems. In 2003/2004 we put up our first Wireless AP in the wellington area. I could foresee huge potential for offering a broadband wireless service to the rural area, and we needed a way to expand our Internet offerings outside of our current cable plant. Our new wireless offering has taken off since that day, and we currently have nearly 25 AP's offering wireless broadband services up to 1.5 Mbps (download) in all of Sumner County, and parts of Kingman, Cowley, Sedgwick Counties. We currently offer services in Network consulting, Computer and Networking Repair Design, Wireless Internet, Web Hosting, Server Colocating, Cable TV, and Cable Modem Internet. Recently the owner of the company has decided to sell off the Cable TV and Cable Modem portions of the business, so that we can focus on the Wireless and Internet related Services, as well as the Networking and Computers portions of our business entirely. Our current website is located at http://www.sutv.com, however this will soon be changing to http://www.sumnercomm.net as we split the company into two entities. I came across wispa.org while researching CALEA options. We like most are struggling hard to wade through the information out there and find our the most economical way to become compliant. We use mostly mikrotik based routers on our network for the wireless and etc, and in searching it lead me to wispa. Once I read a bit about WISPA, I quickly decided to join, as there was a wealth of information available. THANK YOU! I look forward to a long relationship with WISPA. Jaron Parsons Sumner Communications -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
