[WISPA] Joost and your network.
All, Here is an interesting blog post you all might want to read. http://www.last100.com/2007/05/28/will-isps-spoil-the-online-video-party/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] [Fwd: RE: New job, new email address]
Do we have any North Dakota WISPs out there? If we do then I have the inside track here for you to help get some serious face time with the Senate Commerce Committee. Please let me know if you are in North Dakota. We need you to help us with lobbying if you are there. Scriv Original Message Subject:RE: New job, new email address Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:54:18 -0400 From: Frannie Wellings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, John! I've really enjoyed working with you while at Free Press!! I look forward to continue working with you on spectrum and universal service issues when I start with Senator Dorgan's office. Do let me know if you have any North Dakota WISPs in WISPA. Best, Frannie -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:44 PM To: Frannie Wellings Subject: Re: New job, new email address Good luck in your new job Frannie. We will miss working with you on issues. You have certainly been a big help to our efforts in the WISP industry. Thank you Frannie. Warmest regards, John Scrivner President WISPA Frannie Wellings wrote: Hi everyone, As some of you know, next week I'll be leaving Free Press to move to the office of Senator Byron Dorgan to handle his Commerce Committee work. I'm very sad to leave the amazing staff at Free Press, and at the same time thrilled to join Senator Dorgan. I hope to work with many of you in this new capacity. If you'd like to reach me after next Wednesday you can email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Please contact Ben Scott if you need anything from Free Press. He's [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Best, Frannie *** Frannie Wellings Associate Policy Director Free Press 202.265.1490 x 21 http://www.freepress.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISP/Hosting friendly Billing software
Hello all, I may not be posting this to the right location, forgive me if this is the case, and direct me to the proper procedure if any. I am looking for a good flexible billing software package that is WISP friendly, Web Host Friendly, Dial-Up friendly, possibly automatic provisioning although not necessary, CC processing, Hotspot friendly, has a web based customer interface, preferrably with a support ticketing system and/or some kind of knowledge base, and priced economically. I have spent days sifting through pages after pages of different solutions from various providers. All of them claim to be the best of course. What I would really like to hear is what another WISP is using and had success with. Pros and Cons discovered by real companies. Recommendations to evaluate, and products to steer away from and why. Thank you for your time and response, Jaron Parsons Sumner Communications http://www.sumnercomm.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] WISP/Hosting friendly Billing software
We are making the jump to Platypus ... its has been highly recommended by peers Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jaron Parsons Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] WISP/Hosting friendly Billing software Hello all, I may not be posting this to the right location, forgive me if this is the case, and direct me to the proper procedure if any. I am looking for a good flexible billing software package that is WISP friendly, Web Host Friendly, Dial-Up friendly, possibly automatic provisioning although not necessary, CC processing, Hotspot friendly, has a web based customer interface, preferrably with a support ticketing system and/or some kind of knowledge base, and priced economically. I have spent days sifting through pages after pages of different solutions from various providers. All of them claim to be the best of course. What I would really like to hear is what another WISP is using and had success with. Pros and Cons discovered by real companies. Recommendations to evaluate, and products to steer away from and why. Thank you for your time and response, Jaron Parsons Sumner Communications http://www.sumnercomm.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP/Hosting friendly Billing software
I am in the process of installing freeside actually, but i tried it on FreeBSD and it isn't happy. I was going to start over and try again. Made it through all the steps but I keep getting Perl errors and more. ill give it another try. The Platypus looks good, I might get the demo, I would prefer something *nix based, however. Jaron Jeremy Davis wrote: Jaron Parsons wrote: Hello all, I may not be posting this to the right location, forgive me if this is the case, and direct me to the proper procedure if any. I am looking for a good flexible billing software package that is WISP friendly, Web Host Friendly, Dial-Up friendly, possibly automatic provisioning although not necessary, CC processing, Hotspot friendly, has a web based customer interface, preferrably with a support ticketing system and/or some kind of knowledge base, and priced economically. I have spent days sifting through pages after pages of different solutions from various providers. All of them claim to be the best of course. What I would really like to hear is what another WISP is using and had success with. Pros and Cons discovered by real companies. Recommendations to evaluate, and products to steer away from and why. Freeside sisd.com/freeside However its not that WISP friendly until AFTER it is setup. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP/Hosting friendly Billing software
Been using Freshbooks.com now. Quite nice. Cheap, automatic billing, can be made to look like your site. On 5/29/07, Jaron Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in the process of installing freeside actually, but i tried it on FreeBSD and it isn't happy. I was going to start over and try again. Made it through all the steps but I keep getting Perl errors and more. ill give it another try. The Platypus looks good, I might get the demo, I would prefer something *nix based, however. Jaron Jeremy Davis wrote: Jaron Parsons wrote: Hello all, I may not be posting this to the right location, forgive me if this is the case, and direct me to the proper procedure if any. I am looking for a good flexible billing software package that is WISP friendly, Web Host Friendly, Dial-Up friendly, possibly automatic provisioning although not necessary, CC processing, Hotspot friendly, has a web based customer interface, preferrably with a support ticketing system and/or some kind of knowledge base, and priced economically. I have spent days sifting through pages after pages of different solutions from various providers. All of them claim to be the best of course. What I would really like to hear is what another WISP is using and had success with. Pros and Cons discovered by real companies. Recommendations to evaluate, and products to steer away from and why. Freeside sisd.com/freeside However its not that WISP friendly until AFTER it is setup. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.
Talk about a biased view, (while we wait for Telcos or companies like Google to build out the next-generation networks) get real. make sure you're not on an ISP that treats you like dirty rotten thieving scum Yeah, well we all have those users, If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck.. But what about those who (like me) pay more for 'unlimited' broadband access? There shouldn't be a problem, right? Wrong. Thats why you can pay for an account with a CIR of 1.5Mbit at $400-$500 a month or a 4Mbit account thats best effort for $40-$50 a month. Z On 5/29/07, Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Here is an interesting blog post you all might want to read. http://www.last100.com/2007/05/28/will-isps-spoil-the-online-video-party/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] new ways to share broadband via wi-fi
http://gigaom.com/2007/05/28/meet-wefi/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WISPA filed comments on 700 Auction
WISPA filed comments on 700 Auction, did you? http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdfid_document=6519414695 or http://tinyurl.com/2v4h84 If you have questions, contact us for answers or ideas. Thank you. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. 813.963.5884 www.rad-info.net www.marketingideaguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.
I think this was mainly attacking the Comcast, Verizon, ATT, etc. of the world. We'd fit into the category of small ISP filling in the blanks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network. Talk about a biased view, (while we wait for Telcos or companies like Google to build out the next-generation networks) get real. make sure you're not on an ISP that treats you like dirty rotten thieving scum Yeah, well we all have those users, If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck.. But what about those who (like me) pay more for 'unlimited' broadband access? There shouldn't be a problem, right? Wrong. Thats why you can pay for an account with a CIR of 1.5Mbit at $400-$500 a month or a 4Mbit account thats best effort for $40-$50 a month. Z On 5/29/07, Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Here is an interesting blog post you all might want to read. http://www.last100.com/2007/05/28/will-isps-spoil-the-online-video-party/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.
All, Talk about missing the point...The reality is that customer perception is important and if one advertises unlimited then the customer expects unlimited. These apps might impact customer satisfaction with your service and they will go elsewhere if they feel they are not getting the unlimited service they think they signed up for. At this point only time will tell how important such apps are to your customers. If one limits peer to peer traffic then these video on demand services will not work and since there is no way to tell if the content is legit or not it leaves the ISP between a rock and a hard place. The mis perception that all peer to peer traffic is illegal is one that has to be dealt with sooner or later. Looks to me like these apps might make it sooner. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: I think this was mainly attacking the Comcast, Verizon, ATT, etc. of the world. We'd fit into the category of small ISP filling in the blanks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network. Talk about a biased view, (while we wait for Telcos or companies like Google to build out the next-generation networks) get real. make sure you're not on an ISP that treats you like dirty rotten thieving scum Yeah, well we all have those users, If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck.. But what about those who (like me) pay more for 'unlimited' broadband access? There shouldn't be a problem, right? Wrong. Thats why you can pay for an account with a CIR of 1.5Mbit at $400-$500 a month or a 4Mbit account thats best effort for $40-$50 a month. Z On 5/29/07, Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Here is an interesting blog post you all might want to read. http://www.last100.com/2007/05/28/will-isps-spoil-the-online-video-party/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP/Hosting friendly Billing software
Jeremy, Isthereany reason wecan't host our own web site on the Tigernet.bz DNS machine or the mail.tigernet.bz webmail server? And when doyou want to change the Mail Server IP? Ron Wallace -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.
I agree with Dawn. It is about perception. I think most of the comment writers are the fringe and do not fit the profile of your ideal customer. However, a little prevention may help. Spell this stuff out in your AUP or terms of service. Make sure the customer reads it either with a required check box or a required initials. Right now VZ and att are not having issues with their FTTx roll-outs because the up-take is so small (less than 15%). If they were seeing 65% or higher (don't they wish), they would already be experiencing bandwidth constraint issues as well. As more services move to the Internet, usage is going to increase. Hosted Apps, Hosted PBX, Games, Back-up, email, video, IM, etc. Usage WILL be increasing. Management of your network as well as the customer perception is vital. It might be wise to start thinking about selling connectivity by service - email only, website only, heavy user, etc. Start packaging with built-in expectations. Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, Talk about missing the point...The reality is that customer perception is important and if one advertises unlimited then the customer expects unlimited. These apps might impact customer satisfaction with your service and they will go elsewhere if they feel they are not getting the unlimited service they think they signed up for. At this point only time will tell how important such apps are to your customers. If one limits peer to peer traffic then these video on demand services will not work and since there is no way to tell if the content is legit or not it leaves the ISP between a rock and a hard place. The mis perception that all peer to peer traffic is illegal is one that has to be dealt with sooner or later. Looks to me like these apps might make it sooner. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: I think this was mainly attacking the Comcast, Verizon, ATT, etc. of the world. We'd fit into the category of small ISP filling in the blanks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ethernet problems
I installed a customer in October and started having Ethernet problems in March. I have an approximately 200' Ethernet run from the top of a TV tower, to the house, and through the basement. I installed a Belden? outdoor Cat5E cable, a Mohawk outdoor gel cable, a rope for future cable additions, and an RG6 quad shield TV cable in a conduit. Numerous times I cut off slack on both ends of the original cable (the Belden). All that fixed the problem was turning off auto negotiation and setting it to 100 HDX. A few weeks later the problems returned, and I set it to 10 HDX. Now, maybe 6 weeks later the problem is back. I switched to the Mohawk cable. I put on a different PoE injector and a different ECS cable (PacWireless cable that provides an Ethernet jack on the outside of the enclosure and has a 1' pigtail that plugs into the Mikrotik board. Problem remains. The Mikrotik is getting power as it associates with my tower and the two clients off an AP installed on the same board work just fine. I tried different patch cables from the injectors to the laptop\desktop. I really don't want to pull 200' of cable only to have it not work again. Does anyone have a good Ethernet tester I can borrow\rent? Not one that just says if the pins make it (I had one of those and it said the cable was fine), but one that is a bit more advanced. From my understanding, these are $800 - $5k units. Someone close to Northern Illinois would be best. I'm out of ideas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
Mike, Is there 120v power running parallel to the cable? What else is on this tower? Any high wattage RF transmitters? I have seen shielded cat5 interfered with to the point where we had to use fiber as the transport up the tower instead of cat5. Is the enclosure plastic or metal? Have you tried ferrite beads? Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet problems I installed a customer in October and started having Ethernet problems in March. I have an approximately 200' Ethernet run from the top of a TV tower, to the house, and through the basement. I installed a Belden? outdoor Cat5E cable, a Mohawk outdoor gel cable, a rope for future cable additions, and an RG6 quad shield TV cable in a conduit. Numerous times I cut off slack on both ends of the original cable (the Belden). All that fixed the problem was turning off auto negotiation and setting it to 100 HDX. A few weeks later the problems returned, and I set it to 10 HDX. Now, maybe 6 weeks later the problem is back. I switched to the Mohawk cable. I put on a different PoE injector and a different ECS cable (PacWireless cable that provides an Ethernet jack on the outside of the enclosure and has a 1' pigtail that plugs into the Mikrotik board. Problem remains. The Mikrotik is getting power as it associates with my tower and the two clients off an AP installed on the same board work just fine. I tried different patch cables from the injectors to the laptop\desktop. I really don't want to pull 200' of cable only to have it not work again. Does anyone have a good Ethernet tester I can borrow\rent? Not one that just says if the pins make it (I had one of those and it said the cable was fine), but one that is a bit more advanced. From my understanding, these are $800 - $5k units. Someone close to Northern Illinois would be best. I'm out of ideas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
The only location where power might be parallel to the cable is in the basement, but all of the power cables there (IIRC) are ran in metal conduit. This unit is the only thing functioning on the tower. There is a TV antenna, but he couldn't get the signal he was wanting, so it isn't hooked up at this time (perhaps an opportunity to figure that out for him). The enclosure is a RooTenna, so a metal back with metal mounting hardware to the metal tower, plastic sides and front. There is an FM tower a mile and a half away, but I have 5 installations closer than this with no problems. I have not tried ferrite beads because I know nothing about them. Not how they work, how to install, where to obtain, how to troubleshoot, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems Mike, 5 Is there 120v power running parallel to the cable? What else is on this tower? Any high wattage RF transmitters? I have seen shielded cat5 interfered with to the point where we had to use fiber as the transport up the tower instead of cat5. Is the enclosure plastic or metal? Have you tried ferrite beads? Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet problems I installed a customer in October and started having Ethernet problems in March. I have an approximately 200' Ethernet run from the top of a TV tower, to the house, and through the basement. I installed a Belden? outdoor Cat5E cable, a Mohawk outdoor gel cable, a rope for future cable additions, and an RG6 quad shield TV cable in a conduit. Numerous times I cut off slack on both ends of the original cable (the Belden). All that fixed the problem was turning off auto negotiation and setting it to 100 HDX. A few weeks later the problems returned, and I set it to 10 HDX. Now, maybe 6 weeks later the problem is back. I switched to the Mohawk cable. I put on a different PoE injector and a different ECS cable (PacWireless cable that provides an Ethernet jack on the outside of the enclosure and has a 1' pigtail that plugs into the Mikrotik board. Problem remains. The Mikrotik is getting power as it associates with my tower and the two clients off an AP installed on the same board work just fine. I tried different patch cables from the injectors to the laptop\desktop. I really don't want to pull 200' of cable only to have it not work again. Does anyone have a good Ethernet tester I can borrow\rent? Not one that just says if the pins make it (I had one of those and it said the cable was fine), but one that is a bit more advanced. From my understanding, these are $800 - $5k units. Someone close to Northern Illinois would be best. I'm out of ideas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
You should be able to find a supplier of ferrite beads on google. They are relatively inexpensive and you may have some in your attic of inventory that you didn't even realize. It sounds like you have eliminated other thoughts I had. What are the bumps at the end of computer cables? In a typical computer system found in a home or office, you normally see these bumps on the mouse http://www.howstuffworks.com/mouse.htm , keyboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/keyboard.htm and monitor http://www.howstuffworks.com/monitor.htm cables. You can also find them on power supply wires when a device (like a printer http://www.howstuffworks.com/inkjet-printer.htm or scanner http://www.howstuffworks.com/scanner.htm ) uses an external transformer. These bumps are called ferrite beads or sometimes ferrite chokes. Their goal in life is to reduce EMI (electromagnetic interference) and RFI (radio-frequency http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio-spectrum.htm interference). You can see these beads in the following photo: A ferrite bead is simply a hollow bead or cylinder made of ferrite, which is a semi-magnetic substance made from iron oxide (rust) alloyed with other metals. It slips over the cable when the cable is made, or it can be snapped around the cable in two pieces after the cable is made. The bead is encased in plastic -- if you cut the plastic, all that you would find inside is a black metal cylinder. Computers http://www.howstuffworks.com/pc.htm are fairly noisy devices. The motherboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/motherboard.htm inside the computer's case has an oscillator http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm that is running at anywhere from 300 MHz to 1,000 MHz. The keyboard has its own processor and oscillator as well. The video card http://www.howstuffworks.com/graphics-card.htm has its own oscillators to drive the monitor. All of these oscillators have the potential to broadcast radio http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm signals at their given frequencies. Most of this interference can be eliminated by the cases around the motherboard and keyboard. Another source of noise is the cables connecting the devices. These cables act as nice, long antennae for the signals they carry. They broadcast the signals quite efficiently. The signals they broadcast can interfere with radios and TVs http://www.howstuffworks.com/tv.htm . The cables can also receive signals and transmit them into the case, where they cause problems. A ferrite bead has the property of eliminating the broadcast signals. Essentially, it chokes the RFI transmission at that point on the cable -- this is why you find the beads at the ends of the cables. Instead of traveling down the cable and transmitting, the RFI signals turn into heat in the bead. These links will help you learn more: * Using http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.antennex.com/shack/Dec99/beads.htm Ferrite Beads * Dealing http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_comprfi.html with Computer generated RFI/EMI * EMI http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.steward.com/techinfo/subsystems.html Control Applications Notes * How http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm Radio Works * How Oscillators Work http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems The only location where power might be parallel to the cable is in the basement, but all of the power cables there (IIRC) are ran in metal conduit. This unit is the only thing functioning on the tower. There is a TV antenna, but he couldn't get the signal he was wanting, so it isn't hooked up at this time (perhaps an opportunity to figure that out for him). The enclosure is a RooTenna, so a metal back with metal mounting hardware to the metal tower, plastic sides and front. There is an FM tower a mile and a half away, but I have 5 installations closer than this with no problems. I have not tried ferrite beads because I know nothing about them. Not how they work, how to install, where to obtain, how to troubleshoot, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems Mike, 5 Is there 120v power running parallel to the cable? What else is on this tower? Any high wattage RF transmitters? I have seen shielded cat5 interfered with to the
RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
...when I'm in a hurry, Radio Shack always has had them right down on the corner for $5...A two-piece, snap-on ferrite choke that really works well. Snap-Together Ferrite Choke Core $5.29 Model: Snap-together ferrite Choke Core Catalog #: 273-105 It's worth a try and easy to pick up. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems You should be able to find a supplier of ferrite beads on google. They are relatively inexpensive and you may have some in your attic of inventory that you didn't even realize. It sounds like you have eliminated other thoughts I had. What are the bumps at the end of computer cables? In a typical computer system found in a home or office, you normally see these bumps on the mouse http://www.howstuffworks.com/mouse.htm , keyboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/keyboard.htm and monitor http://www.howstuffworks.com/monitor.htm cables. You can also find them on power supply wires when a device (like a printer http://www.howstuffworks.com/inkjet-printer.htm or scanner http://www.howstuffworks.com/scanner.htm ) uses an external transformer. These bumps are called ferrite beads or sometimes ferrite chokes. Their goal in life is to reduce EMI (electromagnetic interference) and RFI (radio-frequency http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio-spectrum.htm interference). You can see these beads in the following photo: A ferrite bead is simply a hollow bead or cylinder made of ferrite, which is a semi-magnetic substance made from iron oxide (rust) alloyed with other metals. It slips over the cable when the cable is made, or it can be snapped around the cable in two pieces after the cable is made. The bead is encased in plastic -- if you cut the plastic, all that you would find inside is a black metal cylinder. Computers http://www.howstuffworks.com/pc.htm are fairly noisy devices. The motherboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/motherboard.htm inside the computer's case has an oscillator http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm that is running at anywhere from 300 MHz to 1,000 MHz. The keyboard has its own processor and oscillator as well. The video card http://www.howstuffworks.com/graphics-card.htm has its own oscillators to drive the monitor. All of these oscillators have the potential to broadcast radio http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm signals at their given frequencies. Most of this interference can be eliminated by the cases around the motherboard and keyboard. Another source of noise is the cables connecting the devices. These cables act as nice, long antennae for the signals they carry. They broadcast the signals quite efficiently. The signals they broadcast can interfere with radios and TVs http://www.howstuffworks.com/tv.htm . The cables can also receive signals and transmit them into the case, where they cause problems. A ferrite bead has the property of eliminating the broadcast signals. Essentially, it chokes the RFI transmission at that point on the cable -- this is why you find the beads at the ends of the cables. Instead of traveling down the cable and transmitting, the RFI signals turn into heat in the bead. These links will help you learn more: * Using http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.antennex.com/shack/Dec99/beads.htm Ferrite Beads * Dealing http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_comprfi.html with Computer generated RFI/EMI * EMI http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.steward.com/techinfo/subsystems.html Control Applications Notes * How http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm Radio Works * How Oscillators Work http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems The only location where power might be parallel to the cable is in the basement, but all of the power cables there (IIRC) are ran in metal conduit. This unit is the only thing functioning on the tower. There is a TV antenna, but he couldn't get the signal he was wanting, so it isn't hooked up at this time (perhaps an opportunity to figure that out for him). The enclosure is a RooTenna, so a metal back with metal mounting hardware to the metal tower, plastic sides and front. There is an FM tower a mile and a half away, but I have 5 installations closer than this with no problems. I have not tried ferrite beads because I know nothing about them. Not how they work, how to
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
I wondered how it discerns good RF from bad RF, but this Nortel document indicates how to install one on an Ethernet cable. http://www142.nortelnetworks.com/techdocs/RG91_52/pdf/N0027496_1.1.pdf Not sure how I'm going to loop this stiff cable tightly around one of these beads, but I'll try. Should I put it on both ends of the cable, just one, etc.? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems You should be able to find a supplier of ferrite beads on google. They are relatively inexpensive and you may have some in your attic of inventory that you didn't even realize. It sounds like you have eliminated other thoughts I had. What are the bumps at the end of computer cables? In a typical computer system found in a home or office, you normally see these bumps on the mouse http://www.howstuffworks.com/mouse.htm , keyboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/keyboard.htm and monitor http://www.howstuffworks.com/monitor.htm cables. You can also find them on power supply wires when a device (like a printer http://www.howstuffworks.com/inkjet-printer.htm or scanner http://www.howstuffworks.com/scanner.htm ) uses an external transformer. These bumps are called ferrite beads or sometimes ferrite chokes. Their goal in life is to reduce EMI (electromagnetic interference) and RFI (radio-frequency http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio-spectrum.htm interference). You can see these beads in the following photo: A ferrite bead is simply a hollow bead or cylinder made of ferrite, which is a semi-magnetic substance made from iron oxide (rust) alloyed with other metals. It slips over the cable when the cable is made, or it can be snapped around the cable in two pieces after the cable is made. The bead is encased in plastic -- if you cut the plastic, all that you would find inside is a black metal cylinder. Computers http://www.howstuffworks.com/pc.htm are fairly noisy devices. The motherboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/motherboard.htm inside the computer's case has an oscillator http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm that is running at anywhere from 300 MHz to 1,000 MHz. The keyboard has its own processor and oscillator as well. The video card http://www.howstuffworks.com/graphics-card.htm has its own oscillators to drive the monitor. All of these oscillators have the potential to broadcast radio http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm signals at their given frequencies. Most of this interference can be eliminated by the cases around the motherboard and keyboard. Another source of noise is the cables connecting the devices. These cables act as nice, long antennae for the signals they carry. They broadcast the signals quite efficiently. The signals they broadcast can interfere with radios and TVs http://www.howstuffworks.com/tv.htm . The cables can also receive signals and transmit them into the case, where they cause problems. A ferrite bead has the property of eliminating the broadcast signals. Essentially, it chokes the RFI transmission at that point on the cable -- this is why you find the beads at the ends of the cables. Instead of traveling down the cable and transmitting, the RFI signals turn into heat in the bead. These links will help you learn more: * Using http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.antennex.com/shack/Dec99/beads.htm Ferrite Beads * Dealing http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_comprfi.html with Computer generated RFI/EMI * EMI http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.steward.com/techinfo/subsystems.html Control Applications Notes * How http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm Radio Works * How Oscillators Work http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems The only location where power might be parallel to the cable is in the basement, but all of the power cables there (IIRC) are ran in metal conduit. This unit is the only thing functioning on the tower. There is a TV antenna, but he couldn't get the signal he was wanting, so it isn't hooked up at this time (perhaps an opportunity to figure that out for him). The enclosure is a RooTenna, so a metal back with metal mounting hardware to the metal tower, plastic sides and front. There is an FM tower a mile and a half away, but I have 5 installations closer than this with no problems. I have not tried ferrite
RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
Mike, the ferrite snap-on is an inductance that prevents common mode RF, of any frequency you care about, from waltzing down the wire into your system. You just snap the hinged double-half-core onto the cable over the insulation so the cable goes straight through it...no looping or other contortions...just snap it on. As I replied earlier, you can get a couple from Radio Shack cheap and immediately to try it. Yes, put one at both ends, as close to the RJ45 as you can get comfortably. It has no effect on the normal signal modes within the CAT5E And, be sure to tell us what difference, if any, it made. Thanks, . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems I wondered how it discerns good RF from bad RF, but this Nortel document indicates how to install one on an Ethernet cable. http://www142.nortelnetworks.com/techdocs/RG91_52/pdf/N0027496_1.1.pdf Not sure how I'm going to loop this stiff cable tightly around one of these beads, but I'll try. Should I put it on both ends of the cable, just one, etc.? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems You should be able to find a supplier of ferrite beads on google. They are relatively inexpensive and you may have some in your attic of inventory that you didn't even realize. It sounds like you have eliminated other thoughts I had. What are the bumps at the end of computer cables? In a typical computer system found in a home or office, you normally see these bumps on the mouse http://www.howstuffworks.com/mouse.htm , keyboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/keyboard.htm and monitor http://www.howstuffworks.com/monitor.htm cables. You can also find them on power supply wires when a device (like a printer http://www.howstuffworks.com/inkjet-printer.htm or scanner http://www.howstuffworks.com/scanner.htm ) uses an external transformer. These bumps are called ferrite beads or sometimes ferrite chokes. Their goal in life is to reduce EMI (electromagnetic interference) and RFI (radio-frequency http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio-spectrum.htm interference). You can see these beads in the following photo: A ferrite bead is simply a hollow bead or cylinder made of ferrite, which is a semi-magnetic substance made from iron oxide (rust) alloyed with other metals. It slips over the cable when the cable is made, or it can be snapped around the cable in two pieces after the cable is made. The bead is encased in plastic -- if you cut the plastic, all that you would find inside is a black metal cylinder. Computers http://www.howstuffworks.com/pc.htm are fairly noisy devices. The motherboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/motherboard.htm inside the computer's case has an oscillator http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm that is running at anywhere from 300 MHz to 1,000 MHz. The keyboard has its own processor and oscillator as well. The video card http://www.howstuffworks.com/graphics-card.htm has its own oscillators to drive the monitor. All of these oscillators have the potential to broadcast radio http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm signals at their given frequencies. Most of this interference can be eliminated by the cases around the motherboard and keyboard. Another source of noise is the cables connecting the devices. These cables act as nice, long antennae for the signals they carry. They broadcast the signals quite efficiently. The signals they broadcast can interfere with radios and TVs http://www.howstuffworks.com/tv.htm . The cables can also receive signals and transmit them into the case, where they cause problems. A ferrite bead has the property of eliminating the broadcast signals. Essentially, it chokes the RFI transmission at that point on the cable -- this is why you find the beads at the ends of the cables. Instead of traveling down the cable and transmitting, the RFI signals turn into heat in the bead. These links will help you learn more: * Using http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.antennex.com/shack/Dec99/beads.htm Ferrite Beads * Dealing http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_comprfi.html with Computer generated RFI/EMI * EMI http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.steward.com/techinfo/subsystems.html Control Applications Notes * How http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm Radio Works * How Oscillators Work http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
Thanks much, will do. My RatShack has 6 in stock, so I'll probably buy them all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jonathan Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems Mike, the ferrite snap-on is an inductance that prevents common mode RF, of any frequency you care about, from waltzing down the wire into your system. You just snap the hinged double-half-core onto the cable over the insulation so the cable goes straight through it...no looping or other contortions...just snap it on. As I replied earlier, you can get a couple from Radio Shack cheap and immediately to try it. Yes, put one at both ends, as close to the RJ45 as you can get comfortably. It has no effect on the normal signal modes within the CAT5E And, be sure to tell us what difference, if any, it made. Thanks, . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems I wondered how it discerns good RF from bad RF, but this Nortel document indicates how to install one on an Ethernet cable. http://www142.nortelnetworks.com/techdocs/RG91_52/pdf/N0027496_1.1.pdf Not sure how I'm going to loop this stiff cable tightly around one of these beads, but I'll try. Should I put it on both ends of the cable, just one, etc.? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems You should be able to find a supplier of ferrite beads on google. They are relatively inexpensive and you may have some in your attic of inventory that you didn't even realize. It sounds like you have eliminated other thoughts I had. What are the bumps at the end of computer cables? In a typical computer system found in a home or office, you normally see these bumps on the mouse http://www.howstuffworks.com/mouse.htm , keyboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/keyboard.htm and monitor http://www.howstuffworks.com/monitor.htm cables. You can also find them on power supply wires when a device (like a printer http://www.howstuffworks.com/inkjet-printer.htm or scanner http://www.howstuffworks.com/scanner.htm ) uses an external transformer. These bumps are called ferrite beads or sometimes ferrite chokes. Their goal in life is to reduce EMI (electromagnetic interference) and RFI (radio-frequency http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio-spectrum.htm interference). You can see these beads in the following photo: A ferrite bead is simply a hollow bead or cylinder made of ferrite, which is a semi-magnetic substance made from iron oxide (rust) alloyed with other metals. It slips over the cable when the cable is made, or it can be snapped around the cable in two pieces after the cable is made. The bead is encased in plastic -- if you cut the plastic, all that you would find inside is a black metal cylinder. Computers http://www.howstuffworks.com/pc.htm are fairly noisy devices. The motherboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/motherboard.htm inside the computer's case has an oscillator http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm that is running at anywhere from 300 MHz to 1,000 MHz. The keyboard has its own processor and oscillator as well. The video card http://www.howstuffworks.com/graphics-card.htm has its own oscillators to drive the monitor. All of these oscillators have the potential to broadcast radio http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm signals at their given frequencies. Most of this interference can be eliminated by the cases around the motherboard and keyboard. Another source of noise is the cables connecting the devices. These cables act as nice, long antennae for the signals they carry. They broadcast the signals quite efficiently. The signals they broadcast can interfere with radios and TVs http://www.howstuffworks.com/tv.htm . The cables can also receive signals and transmit them into the case, where they cause problems. A ferrite bead has the property of eliminating the broadcast signals. Essentially, it chokes the RFI transmission at that point on the cable -- this is why you find the beads at the ends of the cables. Instead of traveling down the cable and transmitting, the RFI signals turn into heat in the bead. These links will help you learn more: * Using http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.antennex.com/shack/Dec99/beads.htm Ferrite Beads * Dealing http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_comprfi.html with Computer generated RFI/EMI * EMI
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
Can you define Ethernet problem a little more. No link lights, intermittent link, no data, small packet data only, intermittent data? My first thought is bad connector or bad port on a device. I have seen hub ports that will look fine, do small packets fine, but don't try to move a lot of data. The port would just die, or jabber. Replaced the module in the hub and all was well. I would assume the same can happen with computers, SBC, switches, etc. Mike Hammett wrote: I installed a customer in October and started having Ethernet problems in March. I have an approximately 200' Ethernet run from the top of a TV tower, to the house, and through the basement. I installed a Belden? outdoor Cat5E cable, a Mohawk outdoor gel cable, a rope for future cable additions, and an RG6 quad shield TV cable in a conduit. Numerous times I cut off slack on both ends of the original cable (the Belden). All that fixed the problem was turning off auto negotiation and setting it to 100 HDX. A few weeks later the problems returned, and I set it to 10 HDX. Now, maybe 6 weeks later the problem is back. I switched to the Mohawk cable. I put on a different PoE injector and a different ECS cable (PacWireless cable that provides an Ethernet jack on the outside of the enclosure and has a 1' pigtail that plugs into the Mikrotik board. Problem remains. The Mikrotik is getting power as it associates with my tower and the two clients off an AP installed on the same board work just fine. I tried different patch cables from the injectors to the laptop\desktop. I really don't want to pull 200' of cable only to have it not work again. Does anyone have a good Ethernet tester I can borrow\rent? Not one that just says if the pins make it (I had one of those and it said the cable was fine), but one that is a bit more advanced. From my understanding, these are $800 - $5k units. Someone close to Northern Illinois would be best. I'm out of ideas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Location on Tower
Has anyone else had to deal with this? Scott Reed wrote: I have several POPs with multiple APs on them. All but one have decent backhaul and I knew that when I put it up. I am getting ready to put up another tower and have run into something I am not sure how to figure out. I have used RadioMobile to determine backhaul links and customer links and I am pretty sure I have it setup correctly and I am getting good data. My problem is that I don't know where on the tower to put the backhaul antenna. Here is what I have from RadioMobile: Antenna Height RSSI 65 58.3 70 58.4 75 63.3 80 64.6 85 58.5 90 58.3 95 64.6 100 58.5 105 58.9 110 58.2 115 58.9 116 59.5 117 60.8 118 63.3 119 66.8 120 72.1 121 73.5 122 67.9 123 64 124 61.3 125 59.6 130 58.3 135 58.7 136 59.2 137 60.2 138 62.5 139 65.9 140 71.2 141 73.9 142 68.1 143 63.9 144 61.1 145 59.5 146 58.9 147 58.6 148 58.4 149 58.3 150 58.2 So, I should put the antenna at 65', 110', 130' or 150'. Well, the 150 is out, the tower is only 140', but the general question still remains. When faced with this kind of numbers, do you normally have the climber start at 65' and work up in 3' increments logging the RSSI as you work to the top? Then put the antenna at the best signal, or what do you do? -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
Links up, but nothing passes, not even DHCP. Mikrotik's neighbor viewer (which is supposed to work even in the absence of IP) can't see it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems Can you define Ethernet problem a little more. No link lights, intermittent link, no data, small packet data only, intermittent data? My first thought is bad connector or bad port on a device. I have seen hub ports that will look fine, do small packets fine, but don't try to move a lot of data. The port would just die, or jabber. Replaced the module in the hub and all was well. I would assume the same can happen with computers, SBC, switches, etc. Mike Hammett wrote: I installed a customer in October and started having Ethernet problems in March. I have an approximately 200' Ethernet run from the top of a TV tower, to the house, and through the basement. I installed a Belden? outdoor Cat5E cable, a Mohawk outdoor gel cable, a rope for future cable additions, and an RG6 quad shield TV cable in a conduit. Numerous times I cut off slack on both ends of the original cable (the Belden). All that fixed the problem was turning off auto negotiation and setting it to 100 HDX. A few weeks later the problems returned, and I set it to 10 HDX. Now, maybe 6 weeks later the problem is back. I switched to the Mohawk cable. I put on a different PoE injector and a different ECS cable (PacWireless cable that provides an Ethernet jack on the outside of the enclosure and has a 1' pigtail that plugs into the Mikrotik board. Problem remains. The Mikrotik is getting power as it associates with my tower and the two clients off an AP installed on the same board work just fine. I tried different patch cables from the injectors to the laptop\desktop. I really don't want to pull 200' of cable only to have it not work again. Does anyone have a good Ethernet tester I can borrow\rent? Not one that just says if the pins make it (I had one of those and it said the cable was fine), but one that is a bit more advanced. From my understanding, these are $800 - $5k units. Someone close to Northern Illinois would be best. I'm out of ideas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
working now Re: [WISPA] strange connectivity issues
I went back there today (the xp machine, not the vista one). I put their ip addy in my laptop. Things worked just fine. They had 3 megs down 3.3 megs up. (testing to the Seattle Speakeasy site) Put their ip addy in their computer, 1 ping went, all the rest failed. Put my test ip in their machine. Got 3 pings then all failed. Next I put in a router. Programmed it (via their machine) to use their ip addy as it's static ip. Customer is now working famously. They bought the router and will just go with that for now. We'll see how long till something else breaks. grin I've printed out that xp networking fix. I'll give it a try next time something like this comes up. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] strange connectivity issues I think the common thread is a corrupted TCP/IP stack in most of your situations. From techrepublic.com: There are times when a network snafu completely or partially corrupts your IP installation, which causes your TCP/IP network connection to fail or behave erratically. When this happens, the best solution is to rebuild the TCP/IP protocol stack. In previous versions of Windows, rebuilding the TCP/IP protocol stack was a simple operation--you just removed and reinstalled TCP/IP. In Windows XP, you can't remove TCP/IP because it's considered an integral part of the operating system. However, XP does come with a command-line utility--called NetShell--that allows you to reset all TCP/IP-related registry settings to their default values. The end result is essentially the same as installing a brand-new TCP/IP configuration. To reset all TCP/IP-related registry settings, open a command prompt and type the following command: /netsh int ip reset filename/ You must specify a log file in the filename placeholder for this command to work. Details about which registry keys were modified will appear in the log file. I do not know if this same utility works in Vista as I am not running Vista and do not have access to it from my house. Please let us know what you find that finally fixes these issues. Scriv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I've had some very strange things happen of late. Wed. I hooked up a new customer. Couldn't get their system to work but my laptop did. I told them to call MacAfee and see if they could figure out what was blocking things. They ended up taking the computer to a friend's house, hooking it up to a dsl connection via a router and it worked just fine. Why would it not work via static ip but would via dhcp? Yesterday I did a Vista setup. It would connect to the wireless router just fine but would not get to the internet. I finally went into IE options and set all of them back to the defaults. What BS would have been in IE that would have told it to not use the established network connection? There were no proxy's set up either. Worked with the same router and wildblue sat. connection. I changed the wireless network name and local ip addy. Nothing else changed. It still says that the DNS suffix is wildblue.net. I can't find that anywhere in the machine. Oh yeah, the machine had both IE and firefox, neither worked. Vista is a disaster. Crappy interface. Hides everything in strange places and in non intuitive fashion. Today I get an email from a customer that can email but IE won't work. This one's dialup. Anyone else seeing strange stuff like this? Is there some bizarre windows update or virus program that's messing things up? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
I have a few beads here. $8 each as I recall. Supposed to wrap the cat 5 through them twice (more if it'll fit). Mary could find out where we got them if anyone's desperate. Finding the ones that'll work for cat5 was a pain. I've NOT used these ones yet so they could be the wrong thing too ;-/ Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ethernet problems You should be able to find a supplier of ferrite beads on google. They are relatively inexpensive and you may have some in your attic of inventory that you didn't even realize. It sounds like you have eliminated other thoughts I had. What are the bumps at the end of computer cables? In a typical computer system found in a home or office, you normally see these bumps on the mouse http://www.howstuffworks.com/mouse.htm , keyboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/keyboard.htm and monitor http://www.howstuffworks.com/monitor.htm cables. You can also find them on power supply wires when a device (like a printer http://www.howstuffworks.com/inkjet-printer.htm or scanner http://www.howstuffworks.com/scanner.htm ) uses an external transformer. These bumps are called ferrite beads or sometimes ferrite chokes. Their goal in life is to reduce EMI (electromagnetic interference) and RFI (radio-frequency http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio-spectrum.htm interference). You can see these beads in the following photo: A ferrite bead is simply a hollow bead or cylinder made of ferrite, which is a semi-magnetic substance made from iron oxide (rust) alloyed with other metals. It slips over the cable when the cable is made, or it can be snapped around the cable in two pieces after the cable is made. The bead is encased in plastic -- if you cut the plastic, all that you would find inside is a black metal cylinder. Computers http://www.howstuffworks.com/pc.htm are fairly noisy devices. The motherboard http://www.howstuffworks.com/motherboard.htm inside the computer's case has an oscillator http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm that is running at anywhere from 300 MHz to 1,000 MHz. The keyboard has its own processor and oscillator as well. The video card http://www.howstuffworks.com/graphics-card.htm has its own oscillators to drive the monitor. All of these oscillators have the potential to broadcast radio http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm signals at their given frequencies. Most of this interference can be eliminated by the cases around the motherboard and keyboard. Another source of noise is the cables connecting the devices. These cables act as nice, long antennae for the signals they carry. They broadcast the signals quite efficiently. The signals they broadcast can interfere with radios and TVs http://www.howstuffworks.com/tv.htm . The cables can also receive signals and transmit them into the case, where they cause problems. A ferrite bead has the property of eliminating the broadcast signals. Essentially, it chokes the RFI transmission at that point on the cable -- this is why you find the beads at the ends of the cables. Instead of traveling down the cable and transmitting, the RFI signals turn into heat in the bead. These links will help you learn more: * Using http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.antennex.com/shack/Dec99/beads.htm Ferrite Beads * Dealing http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_comprfi.html with Computer generated RFI/EMI * EMI http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed.htm?parent=question352.htmurl=http://w ww.steward.com/techinfo/subsystems.html Control Applications Notes * How http://www.howstuffworks.com/radio.htm Radio Works * How Oscillators Work http://www.howstuffworks.com/oscillator.htm Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems The only location where power might be parallel to the cable is in the basement, but all of the power cables there (IIRC) are ran in metal conduit. This unit is the only thing functioning on the tower. There is a TV antenna, but he couldn't get the signal he was wanting, so it isn't hooked up at this time (perhaps an opportunity to figure that out for him). The enclosure is a RooTenna, so a metal back with metal mounting hardware to the metal tower, plastic sides and front. There is an FM tower a mile
[WISPA] Lightning Protection
Spring arrived in Kansas City and so did the thunder storms. I took a lightning stike on my tower and lost both APs, the POEs, two switches and a Mikrotik router. The Antennas survived but it looks like I lost a little gain. My question is how do I protect against this happening again? Are lightning rods effective? Any thoughts will be appreciated. I don't want to have to replace everything again. TIA, Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support
I have been approached by a local Hotel to provide Internet access and control for their guest. My concern is the 24-hour support for the hotspot/gateway. Does anyone have suggestions on how much support may be required and how you price such service? Do you offer 24-hour support to the hotel IT department after they are called first by the guest, or all the guest individually place support calls directly to you? - Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 - www.cssla.com - www.triparish.net winmail.dat-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support
Let them do the teir one support. Else you will get calls from people who can't turn on the wireless switch on the laptop or who forgot to bring a cat5 cable with them. ;) Cliff Leboeuf wrote: I have been approached by a local Hotel to provide Internet access and control for their guest. My concern is the 24-hour support for the hotspot/gateway. Does anyone have suggestions on how much support may be required and how you price such service? Do you offer 24-hour support to the hotel IT department after they are called first by the guest, or all the guest individually place support calls directly to you? - Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 - www.cssla.com - www.triparish.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
