RE: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
And trust me, they need filters with 2 watts. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? There specs said 36dbm ( 5 watts ) I thought On Oct 7, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: > I think it was 300Mil, not 5. > > Mike Bushard, Jr > Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC > 320-256-WISP (9477) > 320-256-9478 Fax > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? > > All, > > Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology, > which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's > performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and > CPE. > > 4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE > and I think around 10 watts on the base in power? > > ( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then > sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment ) > > - > Jeff > > > > > > > On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> 2.5 has great range & penetration. ClearWire, as an example, had >> solid >> indoor coverage 2 miles away. I live in an apartment complex thats >> "out of >> coverage area", and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an >> apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre >> forest >> conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and >> still >> get 1Mbps... >> >> Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only >> self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP >> models, unless >> you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1 >> replacement). >> >> We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own >> wireless >> network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum). >> >> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi >>> and >>> WiMax? >>> >>> I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would >>> be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that >>> mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means >>> in a rural, tree filled environment. >>> >>> As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good >>> coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS >>> farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the >>> way by a mile to block my signal. (this is using farm grain legs/ >>> silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL) If I switch to 900MHz, >>> maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles. >>> >>> Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees? I >>> suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a >>> laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio. And does AP >>> height help a lot? I don't see an advantage to paying commercial >>> tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that >>> changes >>> with WiMax. >>> >> - >> - >> -- >>> >>> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th >>> 2007 at >>> ISPCON ** >>> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA >>> www.ispcon.com ** >>> ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** >>> ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** >>> ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at >>> http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** >>> >>> >> - >> - >> -- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> - >> - >> -- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> - >> - >> -- >> >> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th >> 2007 at ISPCON ** >> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA >> www.ispcon.com ** >> ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** >> ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** >> ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// >> www.ispcon.com/register.php ** >> >> - >> - >> -- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.
RE: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax?
I was talking Investment form Moto to CLWR. NextNet is 2Watts without Filters and 5 With. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? There specs said 36dbm ( 5 watts ) I thought On Oct 7, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: > I think it was 300Mil, not 5. > > Mike Bushard, Jr > Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC > 320-256-WISP (9477) > 320-256-9478 Fax > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:00 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] RF propagation map: WiFi vs WiMax? > > All, > > Bear in mind, Clearwire uses their own base station technology, > which is mostly Nextnet base stations ( now motorola ) . Nextnet's > performance is not wimax, just really high power base stations and > CPE. > > 4 QAM / 2 WATT output power / 8dbi directional antenna on the CPE > and I think around 10 watts on the base in power? > > ( originally was nextnet, then mccaw bought them for 50 million, then > sold it to Motorola in exchange for 500 million in investment ) > > - > Jeff > > > > > > > On Oct 4, 2007, at 11:04 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> 2.5 has great range & penetration. ClearWire, as an example, had >> solid >> indoor coverage 2 miles away. I live in an apartment complex thats >> "out of >> coverage area", and it still works - I'm in the bottom floor of an >> apartment complex, my unit has another unit behind it, a 4 acre >> forest >> conservation area, I stick it in my window, get 2/5 bars on it, and >> still >> get 1Mbps... >> >> Outdoor, could be many more miles, but the ClearWire indoor-only >> self-install business model seems superior to all other WISP >> models, unless >> you're selling a super-premium business service (fiber/T1 >> replacement). >> >> We basically sell Clearwire for all residential, and use our own >> wireless >> network for premium business customers only (149/month minimum). >> >> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:56:43 -0400, John Valenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Just curious if anyone has seen a coverage map that compares WiFi >>> and >>> WiMax? >>> >>> I spent a little bit of time researching WiMax, but decided I would >>> be unlikely to have a license and to just go with what I have that >>> mostly works (unlicensed). But I would like to know what WiMax means >>> in a rural, tree filled environment. >>> >>> As a novice WISP (about 18 months now), I can only hope for good >>> coverage with 2.4GHz to maybe a mile. A rare house might have LOS >>> farther than that, but generally there will be enough trees in the >>> way by a mile to block my signal. (this is using farm grain legs/ >>> silos for the AP, so maybe 150' max AGL) If I switch to 900MHz, >>> maybe the distance gets out to 2.5 miles. >>> >>> Would a 2.5GHz Wimax AP push the signal much better thru trees? I >>> suppose it would make a difference what was at the customer end - a >>> laptop with a WiMax card vs a fixed, outdoor radio. And does AP >>> height help a lot? I don't see an advantage to paying commercial >>> tower rates to get above 200' in my situation, but maybe that >>> changes >>> with WiMax. >>> >> - >> - >> -- >>> >>> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th >>> 2007 at >>> ISPCON ** >>> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA >>> www.ispcon.com ** >>> ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** >>> ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** >>> ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at >>> http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** >>> >>> >> - >> - >> -- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >> - >> - >> -- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> - >> - >> -- >> >> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th >> 2007 at ISPCON ** >> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA >> www.ispcon.com ** >> ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** >> ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** >> ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// >> www.ispcon.com/register.php ** >> >> - >> - >> -- >> WISPA W
RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone
I have one of these phones. I am pretty impressed with it so far. If you download the java based Opera you can even manage Tranzeo CPE/APs! (the iPhone crashes on the Base64/java conversion thing) Usually I carry around my Macbook to fix problems on my network when I am away from home. This fall I was able to go to the fair with my family and not lug a laptop in the car with me. It made the purchase worth it right there! The tethering to a laptop via bluetooth is nice as well. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of V Proffer Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone Another phone that does wifi is the cingular 8525. It is good for checking out hotspots, too. ~V~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone Nice. Again, another phone that does more than the iPhone. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone > FWIW, my E70 rules. It is by far the best phone I have ever used. Take > that, iPhone fanboys! > > http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 7/17/2007 6:30 PM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.o
RE: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone
Another phone that does wifi is the cingular 8525. It is good for checking out hotspots, too. ~V~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone Nice. Again, another phone that does more than the iPhone. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] Why the Nokia E70 is better than the iPhone > FWIW, my E70 rules. It is by far the best phone I have ever used. Take > that, iPhone fanboys! > > http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 7/17/2007 6:30 PM ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Ben Moore email addy
THANKS Mike! Mac > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:11 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ben Moore email addy > > Ben Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:52 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ben Moore email addy > > > > > > > > Does anyone have Ben Moore's (Pacwireless) email address? > > > > Thanks, > > Mac > > > > > > - > --- > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 > at > > ISPCON ** > > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com > ** > > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > - > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > - > --- > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > --- > - > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 > at ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ben Moore email addy
Ben Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ben Moore email addy Does anyone have Ben Moore's (Pacwireless) email address? Thanks, Mac ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Ben Moore email addy
Does anyone have Ben Moore's (Pacwireless) email address? Thanks, Mac ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
