RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Went ahead and did it. You were right. Without considering trees, a 26 meter high tower (grain leg) on each end would do it. I used a 200 mw radio and a 23 dBi panel antenna (like the Deliberant 1A23 self contained radio). Of course the Alvarion units would be the choice if you had the $$. See the results at http://brightlan.net/test.jpg Plot over Mapquest http://brightlan.net/test1.jpg Plot over Google Maps http://brightlan.net/test2.jpgYour grain leg with a 2.4 GHz 5.5 dBi omni Just a quick demo of some of the power of Radiomobile BTW- I was amazed at what you flatlanders can do on 2.4! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62"N 84°14'55.80"W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15"N 84°11'37.26"W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: > Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. > Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. > http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html > > Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
John, As a quick method, you can use National Geographic's Topo! software. I live in a pretty hilly area. When folks call us for service, my wife asks them their address and she puts it into Google Maps. Google maps gives her their general lat and long. Then she tosses those coordinates into Topo and uses the compass tool to draw a line from the tower to the customer. The software can then do a quick "walk" along that line much like you describe below. The output gives a pretty good idea of wether or not the link tries to go through any rocks. I _really_ love Radio Mobile tho! Topo costs around 50-100 bucks and can hook to your GPS if needed. ryan On Dec 28, 2007, at 9:30 PM, John Valenti wrote: Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62"N 84°14'55.80"W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15"N 84°11'37.26"W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Sure I will do it. Probably be Sat afternoon b4 I can though. Gotta do a router upgrade at one of our POPs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62"N 84°14'55.80"W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15"N 84°11'37.26"W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: > Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. > Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. > http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html > > Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Say Ralph, I don't suppose your offer extends to others? I've looked at Radio Mobile a few times, but didn't want to invest the time to figure it out. My current method involves using google earth, drawing a line between the two points, then sliding the cursor along it to see elevations (while sort of watching the vegetation). Not exactly scientific! If you don't mind doing a path analysis for me, here's one: Site A: 42°55'59.62"N 84°14'55.80"W I'm using a grain leg here. Site B: 43° 0'15.15"N 84°11'37.26"W ( I can get a gigabit ethernet connection here -- well, could only afford 5Mbit, but still ...) I would need to build a tower at site B, but how high does it need to be? It is only a 5.5 mile jump, and the elevation doesn't change much, so I would think 70' might work (enough to clear the trees, plus some). The grain leg is about 80', the connection would be 5.8GHz. If you would be willing to run Radio Mobile with this, I would love to see the results. Might encourage me to spend more time with it. And if not, well thanks for your time and happy new year! -John Maple River Networks, LLC Laingsburg Michigan (PS - started a wisp last year. I'm just doing it part-time for now, only about 25 households connected. But I have about 8 POPs setup, working on a better backhaul before I focus on more customers. Currently using a DSL connection that I can't get at on weekends -- was solid for most of the year, but died over Thanksgiving weekend so I was down 3 days. And then power went out and killed it for 6 hours on Christmas) On December 28, at 12:31 PM December 28, ralphlists wrote: Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Ralph WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Thanks guys. I thought that was it. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? Radio mobile This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 28, 2007, at 12:09 PM, "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > The name of the popular free software that does path calcs using GPS a > provides a simple view showing the terrain elevation between points... > > Patrick Leary > AVP, Market Development > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > *** > *** > *** > *** > *** > *** > ** > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & > computer viruses(84). > *** > *** > *** > *** > *** > * > > > > > > > > *** > *** > *** > *** > *** > * > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & > computer viruses. > *** > *** > *** > *** > *** > * > > > > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Patrick- if you need some done, I'll be glad to do it for you. Here's the URL- it is a bit hard to find. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Ralph PS- Will be in SJ the week of the 8th at a Cisco mesh summit -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory? The name of the popular free software that does path calcs using GPS a provides a simple view showing the terrain elevation between points... Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Radio mobile This message was sent from my Iphone Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. 703-554-6620 (office) [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 28, 2007, at 12:09 PM, "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: The name of the popular free software that does path calcs using GPS a provides a simple view showing the terrain elevation between points... Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** *** *** *** *** ** This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). *** *** *** *** *** * *** *** *** *** *** * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. *** *** *** *** *** * --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Patrick Leary wrote: The name of the popular free software that does path calcs using GPS a provides a simple view showing the terrain elevation between points... Radio Mobile? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
Radio Mobile? Patrick Leary wrote: The name of the popular free software that does path calcs using GPS a provides a simple view showing the terrain elevation between points... Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] brain cramp, can someone jog my memory?
The name of the popular free software that does path calcs using GPS a provides a simple view showing the terrain elevation between points... Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
