Re: [WISPA] Google - Grand Central
Hey if they want to adopt me, they can go ahead, I bet the allowance would be pretty good. ((218) 213-4272) Ryan On Jan 24, 2008, at 8:38 PM, George Rogato wrote: > http://www.grandcentral.com/ > > Something tells me they will eventually adopt every person on earth > and > change our last names to Google. > Of course there will be a little advertizement somehwere that can't be > avoided any time we say our name :) > > > > -- > George Rogato > > Welcome to WISPA > > www.wispa.org > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Linux mail solution
Postfix Cyrus IMAP or Courier IMAP amavisd with ClamAV and SpamAssassin The only webmail I have messed with is Squirrelmail and while it works the stable version is non-javascript by design so it is very plain Jane. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: > I currently just use a domain on my InterWorx hosting controller for all of > my email. I'm looking to hire Jeremy Davis to setup Freeside for me and I'd > like to setup a new mail system integrated with Freeside. He'd integrate > Freeside into it and I'm awaiting server recommendations from him, but I come > here looking for recommendations for a mail system to include things like > SMTP, IMAP, SSL, webmail, antivirus, antispam, etc. > > I currently use QMail and it would be nice if I could migrate old mail and > mail accounts over. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Linux mail solution
I currently just use a domain on my InterWorx hosting controller for all of my email. I'm looking to hire Jeremy Davis to setup Freeside for me and I'd like to setup a new mail system integrated with Freeside. He'd integrate Freeside into it and I'm awaiting server recommendations from him, but I come here looking for recommendations for a mail system to include things like SMTP, IMAP, SSL, webmail, antivirus, antispam, etc. I currently use QMail and it would be nice if I could migrate old mail and mail accounts over. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Google - Grand Central
http://www.grandcentral.com/ Something tells me they will eventually adopt every person on earth and change our last names to Google. Of course there will be a little advertizement somehwere that can't be avoided any time we say our name :) -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Auto Renewing Contracts
These "contracts" make an enormous amount of revenue. The issuing companies want them to continue despite their lack of fairness when examined. I have had several of these confront me in the past and whenever I put up the least resistance, I'm offered, in return, either a free way out or a highly valuable alternative. They will avoid a real confrontation at any cost since it might debase their whole scheme and become generally applicable. Their ability to change the terms in fine print and aggressively pursue an auto-renew contract would not be taken as fair by any court. ...just go for it. They'll cave. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Prachar Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Auto Renewing Contracts These are legal and have been happening in telecom forever. However, I've never seen one chased down and actually enforced. That said, anyone who has will probably jump out of the woodwork right about now with a horror story. And, yes, T&C's are always "free to change without notice." Sometimes you can cross out the evergreen portion of the contract and send it in, or tell them you want that part removed. A salesperson who feels that that is the only thing standing in the way of the deal will likely get it removed for you. Michael Prachar - COO Voice: (1) 510-758-2002 PST (GMT -8 Hrs.) Fax: (1) 402-392-7585 (Anytime) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Auto Renewing Contracts Anyone notice how the fine print in contracts seems to work nowdays? Insisited on a 1 year term on a few DS3 quotes. Noticed in the service agreement the terms stated that unless they received written notice within 25 days of the end of the contract it auto renewed for another year. On another one it did not have that listed in any of the paper work that was signed but had several web links and one of those contained that verbage. Also, they always contain some clause that terms and conditions are subject to change. So I cannot help wander if they could add this later. This seems a bit like dirty pool to me. If you want to switch to a different provider you must do it at exactly that point now. Seems to me like a renewal should require a new signature if it goes beyond month to month. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Auto Renewing Contracts
These are legal and have been happening in telecom forever. However, I've never seen one chased down and actually enforced. That said, anyone who has will probably jump out of the woodwork right about now with a horror story. And, yes, T&C's are always "free to change without notice." Sometimes you can cross out the evergreen portion of the contract and send it in, or tell them you want that part removed. A salesperson who feels that that is the only thing standing in the way of the deal will likely get it removed for you. Michael Prachar - COO Voice: (1) 510-758-2002 PST (GMT -8 Hrs.) Fax: (1) 402-392-7585 (Anytime) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Auto Renewing Contracts Anyone notice how the fine print in contracts seems to work nowdays? Insisited on a 1 year term on a few DS3 quotes. Noticed in the service agreement the terms stated that unless they received written notice within 25 days of the end of the contract it auto renewed for another year. On another one it did not have that listed in any of the paper work that was signed but had several web links and one of those contained that verbage. Also, they always contain some clause that terms and conditions are subject to change. So I cannot help wander if they could add this later. This seems a bit like dirty pool to me. If you want to switch to a different provider you must do it at exactly that point now. Seems to me like a renewal should require a new signature if it goes beyond month to month. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Auto Renewing Contracts
Anyone notice how the fine print in contracts seems to work nowdays? Insisited on a 1 year term on a few DS3 quotes. Noticed in the service agreement the terms stated that unless they received written notice within 25 days of the end of the contract it auto renewed for another year. On another one it did not have that listed in any of the paper work that was signed but had several web links and one of those contained that verbage. Also, they always contain some clause that terms and conditions are subject to change. So I cannot help wander if they could add this later. This seems a bit like dirty pool to me. If you want to switch to a different provider you must do it at exactly that point now. Seems to me like a renewal should require a new signature if it goes beyond month to month. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Scottie Arnett wrote: >Why would it fall on Mikrotik to implement something to lock the >power level. I have used many certified radio's with certified >antennas that "I" can set the power level up with higher powered >certified antennas and be out of legal limits. In this instance, I >would be the one breaking the law. I can sell you a car that will >run 100 mph, but the speed limit is 55 - 80mph. If you drive it >100, you broke the law, not me. Perhaps my response was not clear enough. The package that was installed in the MT certified radio (which may or may not even be in production..I don't know) did not limit power AFAIK. It only limited frequencies. At least that is my understanding. Some of what I am sharing here is just rumor. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
My opinion is The reason I use 5.3G where I use it is because it won't interfere where 5.8G would. I have no problem buying and using DFS2 compliant devices. The problem is that there are no StarOS/Mikrotik systems that are certified yet for DFS2. Although it is true that handing new non-DFS2 5.3G gear is not legal. The FCC has no way to prove it, nor any desire to. My undersatnding is that pre-isntalled 5.3G gear was grandfathered. This is proven by a WISP making a list of the locations that it already had 5.3G gear installed. I'm not sure that there is a requirement to specifically list the exact gear at that location, to full fill that record. I'm not stating that I recommend or suggesting WISPs break the law. I'm simply stating, maybe its not wise to lock WISPs into a box. Its jsut a matter of time, until a WISP has a project with a radio that suddenly fails, and 10-20 customers are down, and I don't think that WISP or the Customers are goign to like it, if the WISP doesn't have the abilty to instantly put up a Radio to run in 5.3G, because 5.3G was removed entirely. It would force WISPs to prematurely migrate off Mikrotik and StarOS. The idea is that companies like StarOS and Mikrotik are working towards compliance, and hopefully soon will have DFS2 certified devices, so WISPs can replace failed units with compliant devices. But this doesn;t all happen overnight. I do not recomment Software manufacturrers to remove 5.3G support in its entirety, until they have a radio that is DFS2 compliant for the WISP to use. Thats just my opinion. Everything new customer I install is compliant. But if the WISP industry vendor and WISP risked using uncertified gear, they have the obligation to the customer to enable the WISP to keep customers operational, while the industry figures out how to make their new gear compliant. I'm OK with products shipping with 5.3G disabled as long as their is an international version that the WISP can flash to the device, to be empowered to solve emergency situations. PS. It is great news that Mikrotik is jumping on the FCC Certification bandwagon. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >I know we are already talking about breaking the rules, but even if it > was certified gear it is my understanding that you are not allowed to > hang new 5.3/5.4 gear that is not DFS2 capable. If you have the > equipment in stock it is allowed but all new gear must be DFS2. > > Personally I think this is where non-certified equipment is likely to > run into problems. While I don't think I have any radar around me to > kick in the DFS2 stuff I would be pretty leery of running non-cert gear > where you may interfere I think this would be a case of the FCC actively > persuing enforcement against non-certified equipment. > > Sam Tetherow > Sandhills Wireless > > Tom DeReggi wrote: >> But PLEASE don't sugget that!!! Remember backwards comaptibility, to in >> place networks. >> WISPs have tons of small mini networks running on 5.3Ghz. If one of my >> CPEs >> fry, it would be nice to replace it with a Certified unit, without >> changing >> the whole network to 5.8G, because the freq was locked out of new >> software. >> My point being, although pre-installed non-certified gear may not be >> legal, >> a WISPs right to use 5.3G with old rules, still is grandfathered for >> pre-existing systems and replacement radios for those systems. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >> >> >> >>> I'm pretty sure that they already are locked down by FCC domain. The >>> only place that I think it is possible to overdrive with stock ROS is in >>> the 5.1/5.3/5.4 and unless I am wrong all three of those bands are now >>> taboo without DFS2 certification so really all they need to do is limit >>> the frequency to the 2.4 and 5.8 range and everything would be good. >>> >>>Sam Tetherow >>>Sandhills Wireless >>> >>> >>> >>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>> Mac, Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: > David, > >What this means is that MT has put together a combination of > antennas > from different manufacturers connected to their hardwar
Re: [WISPA] OT Fw: Vasectomy
Hey Marlon, People have told me that this procedure also works in the states of New York, Illinois and Washington but I can tell you from direct personal experience that it absolutely worked for me in the state of California. I do need to warn you though that the procedure most definitely affected the taste of the beer. jack Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Say Mac, > > How many KIDS do you have > > ducking > marlon > > > > Subject: vasectomy > > THE HILLBILLY VASECTOMY > > After their 11th child, an Alabama couple decided that was enough, as they > could not afford a larger bed. > > So the husband went to his local veterinarian and told him that he and his > cousin didn't want to have any more children. > > The doctor told him that there was a procedure called a vasectomy that could > fix the problem but that it was very expensive. "A > cheaper alternative," said the doctor, "is to go home, get a cherry > bomb, (fireworks are legal in Alabama) light it, put it in a beer can, > then hold the can up to your ear and count to 10." > > The Alabamian said to the doctor, "I may not be the > smartest tool in the shed, but I don't see how putting a cherry bomb in a > beer can next to my ear is going to help me." > > "Trust me," said the doctor. > > So the man went home , lit a cherry bomb and put it > in a beer can. He held the c an up to his ear and began to count! > > "1" > > "2" > > "3" > > "4" > > "5" > > At which point he paused, placed the beer can between his legs and > continued counting on his other hand. > > This procedure also works in Tennessee, Kentucky, > Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Mississippi, > Missouri, Florida, West Virginia and Washington DC > > > > > Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money > wasters of 2007. > > > > > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up! = > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9/1239 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 > 10:24 AM > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9/1239 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 > 10:24 AM > > > > The Information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended > only for use by the person or persons to whom it is addressed. If you have > received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail > and delete this message from your system. Copy, distribution or use of this > e-mail by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited. > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
Why would it fall on Mikrotik to implement something to lock the power level. I have used many certified radio's with certified antennas that "I" can set the power level up with higher powered certified antennas and be out of legal limits. In this instance, I would be the one breaking the law. I can sell you a car that will run 100 mph, but the speed limit is 55 - 80mph. If you drive it 100, you broke the law, not me. -- Original Message -- From: Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:08:20 -0600 (CST) >On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > >>Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >>How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power >>outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are >>almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me >>seems pretty unlikely. :( > >There is/will be a package installed that will set these limits. It >does not require a unique "version", per se. This is what was done >for at least one upcoming release of some certified systems. > >-- >Butch Evans >Network Engineering and Security Consulting >573-276-2879 >http://www.butchevans.com/ >My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 >Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf >Mikrotik Certified Consultant >http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT Fw: Vasectomy
Say Mac, How many KIDS do you have ducking marlon Subject: vasectomy THE HILLBILLY VASECTOMY After their 11th child, an Alabama couple decided that was enough, as they could not afford a larger bed. So the husband went to his local veterinarian and told him that he and his cousin didn't want to have any more children. The doctor told him that there was a procedure called a vasectomy that could fix the problem but that it was very expensive. "A cheaper alternative," said the doctor, "is to go home, get a cherry bomb, (fireworks are legal in Alabama) light it, put it in a beer can, then hold the can up to your ear and count to 10." The Alabamian said to the doctor, "I may not be the smartest tool in the shed, but I don't see how putting a cherry bomb in a beer can next to my ear is going to help me." "Trust me," said the doctor. So the man went home , lit a cherry bomb and put it in a beer can. He held the c an up to his ear and began to count! "1" "2" "3" "4" "5" At which point he paused, placed the beer can between his legs and continued counting on his other hand. This procedure also works in Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Mississippi, Missouri, Florida, West Virginia and Washington DC Check out AOL Money & Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up! = No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9/1239 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 10:24 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9/1239 - Release Date: 1/23/2008 10:24 AM The Information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is intended only for use by the person or persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message from your system. Copy, distribution or use of this e-mail by anyone other than the addressee is prohibited. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
You are close. No one can MAKE new gear that's not DFS2. If you find old stock or used gear you can still install it. marlon - Original Message - From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >I know we are already talking about breaking the rules, but even if it > was certified gear it is my understanding that you are not allowed to > hang new 5.3/5.4 gear that is not DFS2 capable. If you have the > equipment in stock it is allowed but all new gear must be DFS2. > > Personally I think this is where non-certified equipment is likely to > run into problems. While I don't think I have any radar around me to > kick in the DFS2 stuff I would be pretty leery of running non-cert gear > where you may interfere I think this would be a case of the FCC actively > persuing enforcement against non-certified equipment. > > Sam Tetherow > Sandhills Wireless > > Tom DeReggi wrote: >> But PLEASE don't sugget that!!! Remember backwards comaptibility, to in >> place networks. >> WISPs have tons of small mini networks running on 5.3Ghz. If one of my >> CPEs >> fry, it would be nice to replace it with a Certified unit, without >> changing >> the whole network to 5.8G, because the freq was locked out of new >> software. >> My point being, although pre-installed non-certified gear may not be >> legal, >> a WISPs right to use 5.3G with old rules, still is grandfathered for >> pre-existing systems and replacement radios for those systems. >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >> >> >> >>> I'm pretty sure that they already are locked down by FCC domain. The >>> only place that I think it is possible to overdrive with stock ROS is in >>> the 5.1/5.3/5.4 and unless I am wrong all three of those bands are now >>> taboo without DFS2 certification so really all they need to do is limit >>> the frequency to the 2.4 and 5.8 range and everything would be good. >>> >>>Sam Tetherow >>>Sandhills Wireless >>> >>> >>> >>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>> Mac, Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty unlikely. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: > David, > >What this means is that MT has put together a combination of > antennas > from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them > certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability > to > produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean > that > if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) > together > and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. > > The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) > they > used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of > antennas > are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that > little > white sticker that seems so important! > > Mac > > > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! >> >> Mac Dearman wrote: >> >> >>> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with >>> >>> >> the list. >> >> [ snip ] >> >> Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening >> the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." >> >> The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification >> still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with >> what? >> Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS >> software >> and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it >> with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's >> connected to? >> >> It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of >> components to get customers online. >> >> David Smith >> MVN.net >> >> >> --- >> - >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> ---
Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!!
I know we are already talking about breaking the rules, but even if it was certified gear it is my understanding that you are not allowed to hang new 5.3/5.4 gear that is not DFS2 capable. If you have the equipment in stock it is allowed but all new gear must be DFS2. Personally I think this is where non-certified equipment is likely to run into problems. While I don't think I have any radar around me to kick in the DFS2 stuff I would be pretty leery of running non-cert gear where you may interfere I think this would be a case of the FCC actively persuing enforcement against non-certified equipment. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Tom DeReggi wrote: > But PLEASE don't sugget that!!! Remember backwards comaptibility, to in > place networks. > WISPs have tons of small mini networks running on 5.3Ghz. If one of my CPEs > fry, it would be nice to replace it with a Certified unit, without changing > the whole network to 5.8G, because the freq was locked out of new software. > My point being, although pre-installed non-certified gear may not be legal, > a WISPs right to use 5.3G with old rules, still is grandfathered for > pre-existing systems and replacement radios for those systems. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:10 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > > >> I'm pretty sure that they already are locked down by FCC domain. The >> only place that I think it is possible to overdrive with stock ROS is in >> the 5.1/5.3/5.4 and unless I am wrong all three of those bands are now >> taboo without DFS2 certification so really all they need to do is limit >> the frequency to the 2.4 and 5.8 range and everything would be good. >> >>Sam Tetherow >>Sandhills Wireless >> >> >> >> Travis Johnson wrote: >> >>> Mac, >>> >>> Here is where it will get interesting... in the actual MT software. >>> How are they going to "lock down" the software so the power outputs, >>> channels, etc. are all within FCC guidelines? They are almost going to >>> have to have a seperate MT version... which to me seems pretty >>> unlikely. :( >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Mac Dearman wrote: >>> David, What this means is that MT has put together a combination of antennas from different manufacturers connected to their hardware and had them certified as "meeting the FCC criteria" thus giving them the ability to produce "exact" replicas of what they had certified. It does not mean that if we (wireless operators) slam the same gear (identical or not) together and hang on a tower - - its FCC Certified - - it's not. The big picture here is that their hardware (whatever routerboard(s) they used), radios, antennas, jumpers, pigtails, enclosure and choice of antennas are certified and will soon be on the market for resale with that little white sticker that seems so important! Mac > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Certifiable MikroTik? YES!! > > Mac Dearman wrote: > > >> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with >> >> > the list. > > [ snip ] > > Okay, I'm gonna hate myself for asking this, because it means opening > the dread Pandora's Box that is "FCC certification questions." > > The Routerboard 52 is "just" a mini-PCI card. Is this certification > still valid when you use it as part of anything else? If so, with what? > Can I connect it to a Routerboard 532 with Mikrotik's RouterOS software > and legally use it? Can I put it in my laptop computer? Can I run it > with Valemount's StarOS software, regardless of what antenna it's > connected to? > > It's nice that this component is FCC-friendly, but you need a lot of > components to get customers online. > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ >
