Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI
Here is a link that talks about it. Not sure if this is what you were trying to post or not. http://webworkerdaily.com/2008/02/11/starbucks-ditching-t-mobile-adopting-at t-for-hotspots/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI http://tinyurl.com/yr28 Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI
Looked pretty weird to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI What the hell is this? I got some kind of religious website... Was this a joke, accident or mistake? - Original Message - From: "CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI > http://tinyurl.com/yr28 > > > > Chuck Profito > 209-988-7388 > CV-ACCESS, INC > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Providing High Speed Broadband > to Rural Central California > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI
What the hell is this? I got some kind of religious website... Was this a joke, accident or mistake? - Original Message - From: "CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI > http://tinyurl.com/yr28 > > > > Chuck Profito > 209-988-7388 > CV-ACCESS, INC > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Providing High Speed Broadband > to Rural Central California > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Butch Evans vs. Mikrotik training
I'm looking to expand my training on Mikrotik. As far as I know the two front runners are Butch Evans and Mikrotik themselves. Mikrotik is cheaper than Butch, but Butch seems to cover things more. Butch also has available an advanced course. Comments? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI
Not weird really...just a discussion of a particular Christian doctrine. Not sure how that applies to Starbucks though... :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI Looked pretty weird to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI What the hell is this? I got some kind of religious website... Was this a joke, accident or mistake? - Original Message - From: "CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI > http://tinyurl.com/yr28 > > > > Chuck Profito > 209-988-7388 > CV-ACCESS, INC > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Providing High Speed Broadband > to Rural Central California > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI
It was a mistake. Never have I seen Chuck do religious or political postings on any list. Anyways, this is probably a reaction to Starbucks loosing market share and probably some long term negotiations on ATT's part. Lots of local independent coffee houses have been giving away free wifi while Starbucks has been charging. The little guys have always used the free wifi as a positive way to promote themselves over Starbucks. Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: > What the hell is this? I got some kind of religious website... > Was this a joke, accident or mistake? > > - Original Message - > From: "CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:33 PM > Subject: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI > > >> http://tinyurl.com/yr28 >> >> >> >> Chuck Profito >> 209-988-7388 >> CV-ACCESS, INC >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Providing High Speed Broadband >> to Rural Central California >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Note about the Noon Webinar....
For those joining it (at noon Pacific Time), please log in 10 minutes early to make sure your system can view the presentation. The Webinar service we are using requires viewers to have Java running, so if you do not have Java, then it will prompt you to click to install it. I am looking forward to this. So much content that heads will be swimming. Regards, Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" >that shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and >measuring on both sides the loss: With Mikrotik, you have stats for the wireless link as well. You can double-click an entry under WIRELESS->Registration-Table and you have a stats tab that will show you tx and rx packets, bytes, frames, frame bytes, hardware frame bytes and frames. The difference between packets and frames is loss on the link. I agree that it would be nice to have a calculated value displayed, but the information is available. The packet data is available via snmp as well, though the hardware frame data is not. You can get (from snmp) the OID that includes errors (in and out) on the wireless link as well as other interfaces. The OID is found with: "/interface print oid". Is this what you are wanting? -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OOPS AGAIN STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI
Sorry bout that, don't know where that last link came THIS SHOULD WORK http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/stories/2008/02/11/daily11.html IT seems the "tiny url" dropped the ending letters rq. http://tinyurl.com/yr28rq Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI It was a mistake. Never have I seen Chuck do religious or political postings on any list. Anyways, this is probably a reaction to Starbucks loosing market share and probably some long term negotiations on ATT's part. Lots of local independent coffee houses have been giving away free wifi while Starbucks has been charging. The little guys have always used the free wifi as a positive way to promote themselves over Starbucks. Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: > What the hell is this? I got some kind of religious website... Was > this a joke, accident or mistake? > > - Original Message - > From: "CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:33 PM > Subject: [WISPA] STAR BUCKS DROPPING T-MOBIL FREE AT&T WI-FI > > >> http://tinyurl.com/yr28 >> >> >> >> Chuck Profito >> 209-988-7388 >> CV-ACCESS, INC >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Providing High Speed Broadband >> to Rural Central California >> >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
Hi, With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" that shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and measuring on both sides the loss: [suid] 2 [pkt len] 1600 bytes [# of pkts per cycle] 100 [cycle] 10 0 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 96 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 99 [SU RxErr] 0 501 ms 5007 Kbps 1 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 93 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 98 [SU RxErr] 0 501 ms 4930 Kbps 2 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 98 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 98 [SU RxErr] 0 501 ms 5058 Kbps 3 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 97 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 97 [SU RxErr] 0 501 ms 5033 Kbps 4 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 94 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 97 [SU RxErr] 0 500 ms 4966 Kbps 5 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 92 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 96 [SU RxErr] 0 500 ms 4915 Kbps 6 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 96 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 100 [SU RxErr] 0 501 ms 5007 Kbps 7 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 97 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 99 [SU RxErr] 0 500 ms 5043 Kbps 8 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 96 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 98 [SU RxErr] 0 500 ms 5017 Kbps 9 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 98 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 99 [SU RxErr] 0 500 ms 5068 Kbps [AP Total nTx] 1000 pkts [AP Total nRx] 957 pkts [AP Total nRxErr] 0 pkts [SU Total nTx] 1000 pkts [SU Total nRx] 981 pkts [SU Total nRxErr] 0 pkts [AP to SU Error Rate] 1.90 % [SU to AP Error Rate] 4.30 % [Avg of Throughput] 5004 Kbps Something like this would be VERY helpful if you could right-click on the wireless link in the registrations tab and run something like this. :) Travis Microserv Anthony Will wrote: Under tools in winbox there are several solutions from ping floods to torch (a per stream traffic analyzer), under the interface you can look at the status tab to get CCQ (quality) readings to exactly how much traffic is being compressed by hardware data compression. In a terminal it would be under /tool or /interface wireless. Is there something specific you are looking for? Anthony Will Broadband Corp. http://www.broadband-mn.com Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc wrote: What kind of information do you need? Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] MT tools Hi, Has anyone found any good tools to do troubleshooting on Mikrotik wireless links? Many other vendors provide tools (i.e. Trango has "su ping", "testrflink" and "linktest") that allow testing of an individual wireless link directly from the AP. The only thing I have found with Mikrotik is their bandwidth test and it doesn't show much information. Any help or ideas are appreciated. Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
If you want to do that with star and I'm sure mt and others have this as well. You just simply open up the ping utility on the ap and ping the client. You can select your packet sizes as well. And another thing we do, is to test throughput from the su to the ap or beyond with the built in bandwidth tester. Usually I test both directions, from the ap to the su and from the su to the ap. Travis Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" that > shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and measuring on > both sides the loss: > > [suid] 2 [pkt len] 1600 bytes [# of pkts per cycle] 100 [cycle] 10 > > 0 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 96 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 99 [SU > RxErr] 0 501 ms 5007 Kbps > 1 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 93 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 98 [SU > RxErr] 0 501 ms 4930 Kbps > 2 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 98 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 98 [SU > RxErr] 0 501 ms 5058 Kbps > 3 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 97 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 97 [SU > RxErr] 0 501 ms 5033 Kbps > 4 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 94 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 97 [SU > RxErr] 0 500 ms 4966 Kbps > 5 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 92 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 96 [SU > RxErr] 0 500 ms 4915 Kbps > 6 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 96 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 100 [SU > RxErr] 0 501 ms 5007 Kbps > 7 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 97 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 99 [SU > RxErr] 0 500 ms 5043 Kbps > 8 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 96 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 98 [SU > RxErr] 0 500 ms 5017 Kbps > 9 [AP Tx] 100 [AP Rx] 98 [AP RxErr] 0 [SU Tx] 100 [SU Rx] 99 [SU > RxErr] 0 500 ms 5068 Kbps > > [AP Total nTx]1000 pkts > [AP Total nRx]957 pkts > [AP Total nRxErr] 0 pkts > > [SU Total nTx]1000 pkts > [SU Total nRx]981 pkts > [SU Total nRxErr] 0 pkts > > [AP to SU Error Rate] 1.90 % > [SU to AP Error Rate] 4.30 % > > [Avg of Throughput] 5004 Kbps > > Something like this would be VERY helpful if you could right-click on > the wireless link in the registrations tab and run something like this. :) > > Travis > Microserv > > Anthony Will wrote: >> Under tools in winbox there are several solutions from ping floods to >> torch (a per stream traffic analyzer), under the interface you can look >> at the status tab to get CCQ (quality) readings to exactly how much >> traffic is being compressed by hardware data compression. In a terminal >> it would be under /tool or /interface wireless. >> Is there something specific you are looking for? >> >> Anthony Will >> Broadband Corp. >> http://www.broadband-mn.com >> >> >> >> Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc wrote: >> >>> What kind of information do you need? >>> >>> >>> Dennis M. Burgess >>> Mikrotik Certified Consultant >>> Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri >>> --WISP/Network Support Services-- >>> +1 314-686-1302 >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:52 PM >>> To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: [WISPA] MT tools >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Has anyone found any good tools to do troubleshooting on Mikrotik >>> wireless links? Many other vendors provide tools (i.e. Trango has "su >>> ping", "testrflink" and "linktest") that allow testing of an individual >>> wireless link directly from the AP. The only thing I have found with >>> Mikrotik is their bandwidth test and it doesn't show much information. >>> >>> Any help or ideas are appreciated. >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > ---
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
Since Trango offers SNMP, could it be programmed to work with the MT? We are using the Dude with our Trangos and that works very well. Victoria On 2/13/08, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > > >With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" > >that shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and > >measuring on both sides the loss: > > With Mikrotik, you have stats for the wireless link as well. You > can double-click an entry under WIRELESS->Registration-Table and you > have a stats tab that will show you tx and rx packets, bytes, > frames, frame bytes, hardware frame bytes and frames. The > difference between packets and frames is loss on the link. I agree > that it would be nice to have a calculated value displayed, but the > information is available. The packet data is available via snmp as > well, though the hardware frame data is not. You can get (from > snmp) the OID that includes errors (in and out) on the wireless link > as well as other interfaces. The OID is found with: "/interface > print oid". Is this what you are wanting? > > -- > > *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * > *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * > *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * > *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * > *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Visit us @ www.StLBroadband.com 314-974-5600 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MUM & ISPCON
Just wanted to make sure everyone know that I will be at both the ISPCON and the MUM in Chicago between May 12th though the 17th. We will have space at both events. We will have PoweRouter Products on-display at both. For more information: www.ispcon.com & www.mikrotik.com Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Brian Webster Consulting
Many of you already know Brian Webster. He has been with us when we were helping Mac Dearman and many others post-Katrina, he was at the first WiNOG with us, he was the member representative to WISPA while he worked for Earthlink in Philly. Brian has seen much and has been part of our efforts through it all. At this time I would like to introduce you to Brian Webster again. This time as a Vendor Member to WISPA. Welcome Brian. We hope your continued involvement will be beneficial to you and our members. Here is a bit about Brian in his own words: I started my consulting business in 2002 when I realized there was a need for quality wireless engineering services at an affordable price. Back then only large wireless companies had good RF data because they could afford to hire full time engineering staff and buy very expensive RF prediction software. As I witnessed the emergence of the WISP industry, I realized that there needed to be a way for a WISP to get good engineering help without paying for a full time engineering staff. Wirelessmapping.com was started to help fill that need. This is my 18th year in the wireless industry. I'm fortunate because I was able to turn a passion for radio into a career. I started as a Motorola 2-Way Service Center sales rep in 1990. That's where I received a lot of my initial wireless education. Afterwards, I went to work in the Cellular and PCS industry and traveled all over the United States, working on cellular network expansions. I held many positions ranging from site acquisition and zoning, to construction management, to project director, and RF engineering. This is my seventh year working as an independent consultant. I spent one year of that time working for EarthLink as a Senior RF Engineering Manager. Of my major responsibilities was the Philadelphia Municipal Wireless Network. I retired in 2004 as a Navy Reserve Chief after serving my country for a total of 21 years. I've always liked the WISPA organization and was an associate member in the past but am now happy to join as a vendor member. I've already had the pleasure of meeting and/or doing work for many WISPA members and I look forward to continuing to support WISPA and seeing it grow. Brian Webster Brian Webster Consulting WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Can anyone service this location...
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=County+Road+161,+Evant,+TX+ 76525&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=49.891082,86.396484&ie=UTF8&ll=31.464543,- 98.088341&spn=0.026466,0.042186&t=h&z=15 Brad Belton BelWave Communications O: 817-737-3124 #101 F: 817-336-7031 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
The problem with stats is they often are displayed as total loss from the beginning of time. Not specific to an exact period, of controled usage. What difference does a particular setting on a radio have, and the ability to measure it after the change nad before the next one. This is why ON-Demand test tools are useful, that home in on a predfined time period, and isntantly viewable. Yes the data is out there, to enable writing the tool. The question is... Why hasn't it been written yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Victoria Proffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT tools > Since Trango offers SNMP, could it be programmed to work with the MT? > We are using the Dude with our Trangos and that works very well. > > Victoria > > On 2/13/08, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >> >With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" >> >that shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and >> >measuring on both sides the loss: >> >> With Mikrotik, you have stats for the wireless link as well. You >> can double-click an entry under WIRELESS->Registration-Table and you >> have a stats tab that will show you tx and rx packets, bytes, >> frames, frame bytes, hardware frame bytes and frames. The >> difference between packets and frames is loss on the link. I agree >> that it would be nice to have a calculated value displayed, but the >> information is available. The packet data is available via snmp as >> well, though the hardware frame data is not. You can get (from >> snmp) the OID that includes errors (in and out) on the wireless link >> as well as other interfaces. The OID is found with: "/interface >> print oid". Is this what you are wanting? >> >> -- >> >> *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * >> *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * >> *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * >> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * >> *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > Visit us @ > www.StLBroadband.com > 314-974-5600 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
Gather these stats with SNMP or a screen scrape. MRTG/Cacti/InsertNameHere already does this. 1. gather datapoint1 2. Wait X time. 3. gather datapoint2 4. perform basic math (datapoint1-datapoint2)/time. I use the graphs I produce to show me when a change I made screwed something up. It might take more than an hour to show me, but when I make a traffic graph "bucket" \_/ or an error graph plateau I know I did something right or wrong. Ie: www.tranzeofaq.com/images/whoops.png I also note all of my changes in a private blog (I used to use a notepad but I never have it when I am at my laptop in some coffee shop making a change). 2 weeks ago I made a change, I did not think it affected my network in a bad way until odd problems started creeping up. Sure enough, the graphs I had correlated to the 5 minute increment, the change I had noted in my private network blog. Butt saved. ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT tools The problem with stats is they often are displayed as total loss from the beginning of time. Not specific to an exact period, of controled usage. What difference does a particular setting on a radio have, and the ability to measure it after the change nad before the next one. This is why ON-Demand test tools are useful, that home in on a predfined time period, and isntantly viewable. Yes the data is out there, to enable writing the tool. The question is... Why hasn't it been written yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Victoria Proffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT tools > Since Trango offers SNMP, could it be programmed to work with the MT? > We are using the Dude with our Trangos and that works very well. > > Victoria > > On 2/13/08, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >> >With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" >> >that shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and >> >measuring on both sides the loss: >> >> With Mikrotik, you have stats for the wireless link as well. You >> can double-click an entry under WIRELESS->Registration-Table and you >> have a stats tab that will show you tx and rx packets, bytes, >> frames, frame bytes, hardware frame bytes and frames. The >> difference between packets and frames is loss on the link. I agree >> that it would be nice to have a calculated value displayed, but the >> information is available. The packet data is available via snmp as >> well, though the hardware frame data is not. You can get (from >> snmp) the OID that includes errors (in and out) on the wireless link >> as well as other interfaces. The OID is found with: "/interface >> print oid". Is this what you are wanting? >> >> -- >> >> *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * >> *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * >> *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * >> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * >> *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > Visit us @ > www.StLBroadband.com > 314-974-5600 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---
Re: [WISPA] Note about the Noon Webinar....
I posted my initial impressions - http://www.wispnews.net/2008/02/alvarion-webina.html Thanks, Steve On Feb 13, 2008 10:21 AM, Patrick Leary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For those joining it (at noon Pacific Time), please log in 10 minutes > early to make sure your system can view the presentation. The Webinar > service we are using requires viewers to have Java running, so if you do > not have Java, then it will prompt you to click to install it. > > I am looking forward to this. So much content that heads will be > swimming. > > Regards, > > Patrick Leary > AVP, Market Development > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by > PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer > viruses(84). > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Steve Stroh Editor / Analyst, Stroh Publications LLC 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.stevestroh.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
There are a number of things to do to gauge the quality of a link with MT. CCQ is one. Signal levels, as well as Ping tests will give you most of what you wish. All three put together will tell you. Also, a ping test over a period of time is helpful as well. Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT tools The problem with stats is they often are displayed as total loss from the beginning of time. Not specific to an exact period, of controled usage. What difference does a particular setting on a radio have, and the ability to measure it after the change nad before the next one. This is why ON-Demand test tools are useful, that home in on a predfined time period, and isntantly viewable. Yes the data is out there, to enable writing the tool. The question is... Why hasn't it been written yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Victoria Proffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT tools > Since Trango offers SNMP, could it be programmed to work with the MT? > We are using the Dude with our Trangos and that works very well. > > Victoria > > On 2/13/08, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >> >With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" >> >that shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and >> >measuring on both sides the loss: >> >> With Mikrotik, you have stats for the wireless link as well. You >> can double-click an entry under WIRELESS->Registration-Table and you >> have a stats tab that will show you tx and rx packets, bytes, >> frames, frame bytes, hardware frame bytes and frames. The >> difference between packets and frames is loss on the link. I agree >> that it would be nice to have a calculated value displayed, but the >> information is available. The packet data is available via snmp as >> well, though the hardware frame data is not. You can get (from >> snmp) the OID that includes errors (in and out) on the wireless link >> as well as other interfaces. The OID is found with: "/interface >> print oid". Is this what you are wanting? >> >> -- >> >> *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * >> *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * >> *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * >> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * >> *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > -- > Visit us @ > www.StLBroadband.com > 314-974-5600 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems
WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems The tests confirm two troubling issues for high-density nets Everyone on this list probably already knows this, especially if you have read Jack's book, but John Cox from Network World did a good job explaining it. Usage vs. self interference and scaling up the access points. Interesting, where they had the antennas folded flat, it worked better, but they don't know why...he forgot it became an unintentional sector. I bet if you put in Alvarion with packet and VoIP priority it would blow this test out of the water. Maybe? What do you folks think? http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;1526372596;pp;1 Or http://tinyurl.com/2cebwk Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems
This does not surprise me that they ran in to this. The 802.11b/g spec is designed as a carrier sense collision avoidance network where all users are within range of each other so they can be polite and not transmit over top of another. When you have all sorts of users and multiple access points things get confusing to the protocol very easily. What further causes problems is that the access points cause the interference to each other or cause them to hold off to wait for other traffic on the same channel, mainly due to their high gain antennas on both locations and being mounted in a higher location. On the EarthLink Philly project we were able to overcome some of these problems with clutter. The three story row houses and dense trees made life difficult to design a network, but at the same time contained the signal to smaller areas for each access point, thus minimizing some of the traits displayed in this article. I've seen too many office or college campus situations where they don't like the throughput or coverage of their wireless network. They throw up more access points thinking that will solve the problem. It rarely does unless they figure out how to better manage the signal patterns of each access point. While 802.11 b/g gives you a choice to mix and match equipment, proprietary protocols usually handle this collision problem much better. If you will never load up a network with this type of traffic, you can get away with it. If you need to squeak out every bit that you can from the available spectrum (and all WISPs will when video and voice become the norm on Ethernet), some sort of managed on air protocol will work out the best. Right now with bursty internet usage patterns, things don't seem to be that bad. When the internet patterns change to a more constant bandwidth demand, different technologies will fair better than others. When that happens I wonder about pricing models that rely on over subscription.. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems The tests confirm two troubling issues for high-density nets Everyone on this list probably already knows this, especially if you have read Jack's book, but John Cox from Network World did a good job explaining it. Usage vs. self interference and scaling up the access points. Interesting, where they had the antennas folded flat, it worked better, but they don't know why...he forgot it became an unintentional sector. I bet if you put in Alvarion with packet and VoIP priority it would blow this test out of the water. Maybe? What do you folks think? http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;1526372596;pp;1 Or http://tinyurl.com/2cebwk Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
What I really want is a way to right-click on an entry in the Registration table and have an option that says "Linktest". It would test sending 100 packets each direction, 10 times. It would then report: distance of the link (based on time calculations) error rate going from AP to CPE (%) error rate going from CPE to AP (%) Calculated throughput based on those results This simple tool has proven invaluable with our Trango system. Our 1st level techs can login to the AP and do a "linktest" on a customer's radio and know in 10 seconds if there is an RF problem or something else. Having to look at CCQ numbers, packet frames vs. hardware frames, etc. is way too complicated for a 1st level tech. Yes, we monitor and graph signal levels, bytes, packets, errors, etc. on every customer we have now... but that simple 10 second test makes life much, much easier. Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" that shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and measuring on both sides the loss: With Mikrotik, you have stats for the wireless link as well. You can double-click an entry under WIRELESS->Registration-Table and you have a stats tab that will show you tx and rx packets, bytes, frames, frame bytes, hardware frame bytes and frames. The difference between packets and frames is loss on the link. I agree that it would be nice to have a calculated value displayed, but the information is available. The packet data is available via snmp as well, though the hardware frame data is not. You can get (from snmp) the OID that includes errors (in and out) on the wireless link as well as other interfaces. The OID is found with: "/interface print oid". Is this what you are wanting? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 30megs @ 10MHz
http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/30megs/30megs.JPG This afternoon while I was at the shop I noticed the internet was very sluggish. So I opened up an ssh session into the tower ap that is serving my shop. It was saying 3,900 to 4,000 something kbps in the interface. I was thinking for a second, hey thats BYTES not bits in star, 32 megs. Not sure who was pushing that much traffic, maybe a virus infected pc on the bench. But this was a Star-os war4 at 5.8 10MHz wide channel PtP -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT tools
Don't you see real time active rissi etc when you look into the ap's interface listing all the clients? Travis Johnson wrote: > What I really want is a way to right-click on an entry in the > Registration table and have an option that says "Linktest". It would > test sending 100 packets each direction, 10 times. It would then report: > > distance of the link (based on time calculations) > error rate going from AP to CPE (%) > error rate going from CPE to AP (%) > Calculated throughput based on those results > > This simple tool has proven invaluable with our Trango system. Our 1st > level techs can login to the AP and do a "linktest" on a customer's > radio and know in 10 seconds if there is an RF problem or something > else. Having to look at CCQ numbers, packet frames vs. hardware frames, > etc. is way too complicated for a 1st level tech. > > Yes, we monitor and graph signal levels, bytes, packets, errors, etc. on > every customer we have now... but that simple 10 second test makes life > much, much easier. > > Travis > Microserv > > Butch Evans wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >> >>> With a product like Trango, they have a utility called "linktest" >>> that shows packet loss after sending ten sets of 100 packets and >>> measuring on both sides the loss: >>> >> >> With Mikrotik, you have stats for the wireless link as well. You >> can double-click an entry under WIRELESS->Registration-Table and you >> have a stats tab that will show you tx and rx packets, bytes, >> frames, frame bytes, hardware frame bytes and frames. The >> difference between packets and frames is loss on the link. I agree >> that it would be nice to have a calculated value displayed, but the >> information is available. The packet data is available via snmp as >> well, though the hardware frame data is not. You can get (from >> snmp) the OID that includes errors (in and out) on the wireless link >> as well as other interfaces. The OID is found with: "/interface >> print oid". Is this what you are wanting? >> >> > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems
I strongly suspect that Alvarion would not "blow this test out of the water" because they, like Cisco and Aruba, do nothing (so far as I know) to coordinate transmissions to mitigate self-interference. Meru does, and this is why it comes out so far ahead. According to Belanger, at some points in these highly loaded networks, 30 > per cent to 40 per cent of the packets in the air were transmissions by the > Aruba and Cisco access points. Meru had far fewer retransmissions. > I expect that Alvarion would experience a level of retransmission similar to that of Cisco and Aruba. Finally, each of the three WLAN vendors gives voice packets higher priority, so no win for Alvarion there, either. I don't know anything about Extricom and would like to know if anyone has had any experience with them. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC Sweeping Design LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems
Yep. Very few people (less than 5%) who deploy dense wireless LANs understand that the interference radius around each access point omni antenna is 4 times to 8 times (or more) GREATER than the usable communications radius. People end up putting too many access points too close together resulting in a huge DECREASE in aggregate throughput and REDUCED network reliability. These symptoms will only emerge once traffic levels build up and wireless frames are colliding with each other all over the place. Then the network manager starts adding access points and makes the problem worse. On top of that, most wireless LAN vendors push the idea that throughput and reliability problems will be SOLVED by adding more access points. The wireless LAN vendors also tell the customer that their "smart" controller will help reduce the self-interference between the access points by "intelligently" managing access point power and channel. Those of you who don't live in a major city will have to use your imagination to follow this example but this vendor argument is like saying that placing a traffic cop with a whistle in the middle of a freeway that is moving at 2 miles per hour will help to "manage" the flow of traffic and speed the traffic up; it won't. The cop will only manage to distract the drivers and slow the traffic down even more. So if you are deploying a wireless LAN that needs a lot of access points to handle a many simultaneous users and high levels of user traffic and different types of user traffic (like voice and data), what should you do to get your WLAN to work and to meet management and end-user expectations? Let's hear a few opinions from people about how to get good WLAN performance. BTW, these very same principles apply outdoors in WISP deployments. After we hear from five or six people, I'll offer my solutions (if you all don't beat me to it). ;-) Oh yeah, one more thing... PLEASE post your solutions over on the the WISPA Members list. This is the kind of info that I feel paying WISPA members deserve to have access to. In my view (I know this is "old-school" thinking these days but remember, I'm old), there really is no such thing as a "free lunch". Those folks who support WISPA deserve to receive information that is a cut above the "free information" (and dis-information and advertising hype) that has distorted people's sense of reality these days. Your normally quiet and humble servant, jack CHUCK PROFITO wrote: > WLAN stress test uncovers 802.11 performance problems > The tests confirm two troubling issues for high-density nets > > Everyone on this list probably already knows this, especially if you have > read Jack's book, but John Cox from Network World did a good job explaining > it. Usage vs. self interference and scaling up the access points. > Interesting, where they had the antennas folded flat, it worked better, but > they don't know why...he forgot it became an unintentional sector. I bet if > you put in Alvarion with packet and VoIP priority it would blow this test > out of the water. Maybe? What do you folks think? > > http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;1526372596;pp;1 > Or http://tinyurl.com/2cebwk > > Chuck Profito > 209-988-7388 > CV-ACCESS, INC > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Providing High Speed Broadband > to Rural Central California > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
