Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[John Thomas]

Sooner or later, someone will do a 1/2 ton diesel electric hybrid truck 
, and it should be able to do at least 40 mpg if they do it right.
It looks like these guys might be the ones to do it.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/11/mahindra-appalachian-diesel-pickup-arrives-in-us-next-year-dies/

John



Mark Nash wrote:
> I always thought of buying a hybrid...
>
> ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say 
> that I take my hybrid everywhere I go...
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>   
>> Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV:
>> "Buy a hybrid, I need your gas!"
>>
>> ryan
>>
>>
>> D. Ryan Spott
>> rsp...@cspott.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling
>>> our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Mark Nash wrote:
>>>   
 LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was
 speeding
 across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.
 Had 4
 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...

 ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.

 ...I get 10 on a good day. :)

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message -
 From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle



 
> fyi, it's not a van...
>
> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg
>
> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's
> HAUL).  Had
> to
> settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for
> the
> kids,
> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride
> suspension
> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also
> nearly
> a
> foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get
> one
> make
> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>
> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>
> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of
> them,
> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>
> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>
> They have some of those on ebay too:
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>
> laters,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator
> since
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>
>   
>> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven -
>> my main
>> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and
>> cold just
>> do
>> not mix.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
>> poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
>> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd
>>> seat.
>>> I'm
>>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
>>> totally
>>> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no
>>> real flaws.
>>> I
>>> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that
>>> didn't show
>>> up
>>> at first.
>>>
>>> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything
>>> else
>>> sits
>>> well inside.  A

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Mike Hammett]

Tom, you need a hobby.  :-p


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Tom DeReggi" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:47 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

> Well, I'll add a couple comments, before the group chimes in
>
> I agree, that in MORE cases, people will chose 23Ghz licensed over 24Ghz.
> But that does not negate the 24Ghz model potential.
>
> For 24Ghz, 2ft Dish configurations are going to be MUCH more effective. 
> And
> as well, Lower modulations/speeds will likely occur per link, in order to
> reach further distances.
> But doing 1.5 miles at 99.999% is doable with 24Ghz at 100mbps, with
> multiple channels to choose from.  (mine was 1.7 miles long).
> I'd argue that 24Ghz has more channel selections than 2.4Ghz, 900Mhz, and
> much larger ability for spectrum reuse.
> 24Ghz is an ideal choice for getting a LARGE number of PTP links into a
> small area.
> This is the fact WISPS are running out of "Last Mile" spectrum.  The
> demand for higher speeds has come fast.
> WISPs need to start migrating profitable high capacity customers OFF of
> their 5.8Ghz PtMP sectors, so the capacity is available for their lower
> capacity higher volume target subscriber base.
> For many, there is no longer an option to add 5.8G APs, growth instead is
> acheived by moving large cpacity customers to new High capacity
> technologies, which today is only possible w/ PTP.
>
> The first thing to understand is
> There is absolutely a market and demand for increasing capacity to 
> customers
> within a 1.5 mile radius.
> ANY provider in a URBAN or SUBURBAN market will have this demand.
>
> For example, in DC its only like 3 miles side to side, and narrow 
> beamwidth
> links are needed.
> 60-80Ghz promised a solution, but never delivered. Low cost links are
> limited to .5 miles, and EXPENSIVE (3X cost of Horizon) gear can extend up
> to 2 miles.
>
> The second thing to understand is... Why would we choose 24Ghz over 
> 23Ghz?.
>
> The questions to ask are... and answers following
> 1) Do we need licensed protection, in all cases?  And the answer is "No", 
> we
> have 200 tenant buildings served with Unlicenced 5.x today.
>
> 2) Will WISPs pay $10K for an Unlicensed solution, for a unique solution 
> if
> they need to? The answer is "yes". People have been paying > $10k for
> Redline and Orthogon PTPs for years.
>
> 3) Will WISPs do everything possible to save a dollar? The answer is 
> "yes",
> we have been trained to do that since birth :-)
>
> 4) Is $3000 License Costs a signficant amount to save for a WISP?
> Absolutely, "yes".  $3000 would buy 1-2 Trango TLink45s, dependant on
> Promos. Remember most WISPs are still funded through cash flow. $3000 is a
> small fortune. This comment is with the premise that 24Ghz product would 
> be
> sold for equal or less money than its 23Ghz licensed counterpart.
> Trango nor WISPs have any benefit to giving our hard earned money to the 
> FCC
> and licensing consultants.  Take note that based on current Trango prices, 
> a
> $3000 savings is like a 25% savings of the total link. Many buyers have
> chosen Trango over their previous vendor Dragonwave for as little as a 10%
> savings. What would a WISP do to save 25%?
>
> 5) Note... Grant money will usually buy "equipment" not "licenses.". 
> Leasing
> companies will approve leases for Equipment, and rarely for "licenses" 
> taht
> can't be reposessed. A WISP could buy more radios with grant/lease money, 
> if
> they were not limited by cash flow constraints to buy licenses.
>
> 6) Are there any reasons 24Ghz might be favored over 23Ghz? Answer "yes".
> The very nature of WISPs are to "deploy fast". Licensing takes advanced
> planning and often adds 2 months to the process. I will say that 50% of 
> the
> sales our company made to date were because we could get a link to the
> customer Sooner. We didn't need to plan, we just executed action. It is a
> convenience factor. 24Ghz offers
>A) The ability to "STOCK" inventory on hand, without knowing in advance
> where it will be used.
>B) The ability to "immediately" place orders, without waiting for Freq
> Coords.
>C) 23Ghz does not allow temporary install after Freq Coord and
> application stage, and are not legally allowed to be deployed until after
> the license is actually granted, and I beleive has an additional step (by
> FCC to determine channel availabilty) beyond the initial end user ordered
> Freq coord, before the FCC can grant the license.
>D) The ability to "immediately" go install.  ONLY thing needing done
> before installing, is a quick 5 minute path calc, with large odds success
> will be reached.
>
> 7) Does 24Ghz scale? Answer is "yes". 24Ghz will scale significantly 
> higher
> than 23Ghz. Because 24Ghz is lower tx power (about 20 db lower), it will
> allow a much larger number of radios to be installed wi

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[3-dB Networks]

Comments inline

Before anyone reads further... I have the upmost respect for John... and I
honestly believe Trango has done many things right over the years.  I'll
also be the first one to say that the Trango PTP products will work... but
to me the price difference isn't enough to switch to Trango.  

I'd also like to point out... I only defend Dragonwave because I think it is
the best product on the market from my personal experience.  I've installed
Trango, Dragonwave, Harris, Ceragon, and PCOM gear... and have had the best
experiences with Dragonwave.  I only preach what I know works, from my own
personal experience.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of John Seaman
>Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:08 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of Trango's
>units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have
>shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
>specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR greater
>and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone outside
>the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC database. 

Trango being a private company is the number one reason people don't know
what is going on over there John.  You can claim your profitable all day
long and selling thousands of links... but saying most of them have shipped
overseas doesn't help anything.  So what we can do is look at the FCC
database... and if you do that anyone can clearly see there isn't too much
of the stuff out there.

>Our
>overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared to Ceragon and
>the big guys but the product has gained widespread acceptance, traction
>and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would our competitors be
>acting so nervous?  

Are they really?  Yes Dragonwave is becoming more competitive in their
pricing... but other than that I haven't seen moves by any other vendor that
shows "nervousness".  Personally I've heard more trepidation over Motorola
entering the market.  On a side note... I just got a lot of the pre-release
documents on their product line... man does it look promising... and
surprisingly at a reasonable price point (meaning in the same space as
Dragonwave/Trango... of course who knows until the final pricing is
announced)

>Trango has firmly established itself with
>TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  

But that is a very very limited market...

>Now we are also gaining
>excellent traction with counties, states, cities, utilities, as well as
>the US Military... These entities traditionally deploylargest quantities
>of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to mobile operators who deploy by
>far the most.  (although most mobile operator deployments are still
>strictly TDM).  

I'd love to hear some case studies and whitepapers... I do know of one local
city that purchased a few... so I'm not saying your wrong... but I'd for one
like to hear more.

BTW... I'd argue the point that most mobile operators are strictly TDM...
many are doing Psudeowire solutions now.

>There is no stopping Trango.  

Not to be a smart ass here... but is that way happened with the OFDM PTMP
product line?  I think it's interesting that the bread and butter portion of
the business is bleeding like crazy... I'm seeing WISP after WISP ditch
their Trango gear for Motorola/Mikrotik/3.65... can the PTP business sustain
Trango?

>We will continue to peck
>away at Dragonwave's marketshare and gradually we'll be taking larger
>and larger portions of it.  

Not going to argue the fact that you have taken some of Dragonwave's market
share... but the latest numbers I have seen still put Dragonwave leaps and
bounds ahead of anyone else.  

>Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it
>was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money
>quarter-after-quarter.  Trango is, and has always been profitable.

Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here...
http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Statement
s_Nov30%202008.pdf  So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for
three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end.  Anyways I used
the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways
its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil... 

I can't do that for Trango... so how does anyone know how profitable you
guys are?  

I'd also argue that Dragonwave appears to be spending money investing in the
company... and unlike Trango... I haven't heard of them laying off batches
of employees.  Anyways they gotta be doing something right... and I don't
think anyone is questioning they will be around 5 years from now... yet many
(not just me) have doubts about Trango...

>I actually don't have a side-by side compar

Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

[Chuck Bartosch]

On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:10 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:

> You are correct!  Very confusing because most of the text under this  
> title
> is referring to wireless service and not broadband service.
> I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather  
> than
> RUS.  Any ideas on that?
>
> BTW - Glad about the 3/1 on wireless, since a lot of proprietary  
> radios,
> i.e. Trangos will only do that.

In general it shouldn't *really* matter what some radios would do  
because the stimulus wouldn't pay for what you already have in the  
field, and what you have in the field doesn't disqualify what you plan  
to *put* in the field. In fact, it might even be good because, if your  
current buildout doesn't qualify, they could pay for a retrofit. And  
at least for me, I'm not particularly religious about what I use. If  
they say 5x2, I'll put in something that does 5x2 since they are  
paying for it ;-).

Chuck

>
>
> Victoria
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Actually not.
>> Advanced broadband service 45/15
>> Basic broadband service 5/1
>> Advanced WIRELESS broadband service 3/1
>>
>> But nothing stating what Basic Wireless broadband service is  
>> supposed to be
>> at least in the excerpt.
>>
>> /Eje
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jack Unger 
>>
>> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:00:21
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>>
>>
>> So it looks like the definitions of "Basic broadband service" and
>> "Advanced broadband service" are interchanged. Good catch!!
>>
>> St. Louis Broadband wrote:
>>> I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it
>> appears
>>> that it needs to be corrected:
>>> In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
>>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
>>> (j)
>>> DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term  
>>> "advanced
>>> broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
>>> transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second  
>>> downstream and
>> at
>>> least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced  
>>> wireless
>>> broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end  
>>> user
>> data
>>> transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second  
>>> downstream and
>> at
>>> least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet  
>>> protocol
>>> wireless network;
>>> (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering  
>>> data to
>>> the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per  
>>> second
>>> downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>>>
>>> So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps,
>> "advanced
>>> broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service"
>> SHOULD
>>> BE 3/1 mbps
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 
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>>
>> --
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[3-dB Networks]

Brad,

I'm not a WISP'er anymore... sales manager over here at 3-dB.  I still get
out though and install gear for people... :-)  I am out of the office more
though than I care to be... too many jobs stacking up!

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Brad Belton
>Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:07 AM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>Hmmm...sure sounds like you have an inordinate amount of service work on
>your links
>
>I'm working on a response to your other post with a line item side by
>side
>comparison between Dragonwave and Trango, but it will probably be
>tomorrow
>before it's posted.
>
>Best,
>
>
>Brad
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
>Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43 AM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>I have to run out into the field to work on a Bridgewave link (people
>pay
>good money for that :-). I'll answer this tonight.
>
>
>
>Daniel White
>
>3-dB Networks
>
>http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I have a better idea someone compile a simple side-by-side
>comparison of
>the Dragonwave vs. Trango 18ghz radios. List all the benefits of each
>radio,
>and then also list the current price for a "comparable" speed for each.
>
>I'm not familiar with the current Dragonwave product, so I will only
>list
>the "benefits" of the Trango APEX system (of which I currently have 3
>running as our main backbone backhauls):
>
>(1) Radio mounted signal display for alignment
>(2) Optional fiber port (only have to buy the fiber module to plug in)
>(3) Various channel sizes (10, 20, 28, 40, 50, 80 mhz wide)
>(4) up to +20db power output
>(5) Jumbo packets via GigE
>(6) PoE (-48v)
>(7) In-band or out-of-band management
>(8) Separate GigE port for management
>(9) Rapid Port Shutdown
>(10) 1+1 redundancy (using a single antenna)
>(11) Dual power supplies (either PoE port can supply the power)
>(12) 2 year warranty standard (can be upgraded to 3 year, overnight
>replacement for $2,000 per link)
>(13) Price (currently $9,995 with 2ft dishes and frequency coordination.
>FCC
>fees are about $1,300 extra).
>
>Travis
>Microserv
>
>3-dB Networks wrote:
>
>I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads
>on
>this topic... I think it has been beat to death.  If you want to talk
>about
>it offlist I'd be happy to.
>
>As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave
>and
>let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal
>opinion
>is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name... compared
>to
>what I would consider the benefits.
>
>Daniel White
>3-dB Networks
>http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>All,
>
>When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
>for a Dragonwave product.
>
>There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a
>bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your
>application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be
>more than happy to walk you through everything.
>
>I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.
>
>-Jeff
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Brad Belton
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>Hello Daniel,
>
>Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much
>better"?
>Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
>Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
>case.
>
>Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
>products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we
>talking
>$5, $50, $500, $5000?
>
>Look forward to your responses.
>
>Thank you,
>
>
>Brad
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>Well...
>
>I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be
>surprised
>how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance
>is
>much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).
>
>We also will take care of all 

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[cam]

I'll go with this, Tom has made very valid points.

-Cameron

> I second what Tom says.  We need another affordable 24GHz solution.
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Tom DeReggi
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I'll add a couple comments, before the group chimes in
>>
>> I agree, that in MORE cases, people will chose 23Ghz licensed over
>> 24Ghz.
>> But that does not negate the 24Ghz model potential.
>>
>> For 24Ghz, 2ft Dish configurations are going to be MUCH more effective.
>> And
>> as well, Lower modulations/speeds will likely occur per link, in order
>> to
>> reach further distances.
>> But doing 1.5 miles at 99.999% is doable with 24Ghz at 100mbps, with
>> multiple channels to choose from.  (mine was 1.7 miles long).
>> I'd argue that 24Ghz has more channel selections than 2.4Ghz, 900Mhz,
>> and
>> much larger ability for spectrum reuse.
>> 24Ghz is an ideal choice for getting a LARGE number of PTP links into a
>> small area.
>> This is the fact WISPS are running out of "Last Mile" spectrum.  The
>> demand for higher speeds has come fast.
>> WISPs need to start migrating profitable high capacity customers OFF of
>> their 5.8Ghz PtMP sectors, so the capacity is available for their lower
>> capacity higher volume target subscriber base.
>> For many, there is no longer an option to add 5.8G APs, growth instead
>> is
>> acheived by moving large cpacity customers to new High capacity
>> technologies, which today is only possible w/ PTP.
>>
>> The first thing to understand is
>> There is absolutely a market and demand for increasing capacity to
>> customers
>> within a 1.5 mile radius.
>> ANY provider in a URBAN or SUBURBAN market will have this demand.
>>
>> For example, in DC its only like 3 miles side to side, and narrow
>> beamwidth
>> links are needed.
>> 60-80Ghz promised a solution, but never delivered. Low cost links are
>> limited to .5 miles, and EXPENSIVE (3X cost of Horizon) gear can extend
>> up
>> to 2 miles.
>>
>> The second thing to understand is... Why would we choose 24Ghz over
>> 23Ghz?.
>>
>> The questions to ask are... and answers following
>> 1) Do we need licensed protection, in all cases?  And the answer is
>> "No",
>> we
>> have 200 tenant buildings served with Unlicenced 5.x today.
>>
>> 2) Will WISPs pay $10K for an Unlicensed solution, for a unique solution
>> if
>> they need to? The answer is "yes". People have been paying > $10k for
>> Redline and Orthogon PTPs for years.
>>
>> 3) Will WISPs do everything possible to save a dollar? The answer is
>> "yes",
>> we have been trained to do that since birth :-)
>>
>> 4) Is $3000 License Costs a signficant amount to save for a WISP?
>> Absolutely, "yes".  $3000 would buy 1-2 Trango TLink45s, dependant on
>> Promos. Remember most WISPs are still funded through cash flow. $3000 is
>> a
>> small fortune. This comment is with the premise that 24Ghz product would
>> be
>> sold for equal or less money than its 23Ghz licensed counterpart.
>> Trango nor WISPs have any benefit to giving our hard earned money to the
>> FCC
>> and licensing consultants.  Take note that based on current Trango
>> prices,
>> a
>> $3000 savings is like a 25% savings of the total link. Many buyers have
>> chosen Trango over their previous vendor Dragonwave for as little as a
>> 10%
>> savings. What would a WISP do to save 25%?
>>
>> 5) Note... Grant money will usually buy "equipment" not "licenses.".
>> Leasing
>> companies will approve leases for Equipment, and rarely for "licenses"
>> taht
>> can't be reposessed. A WISP could buy more radios with grant/lease
>> money,
>> if
>> they were not limited by cash flow constraints to buy licenses.
>>
>> 6) Are there any reasons 24Ghz might be favored over 23Ghz? Answer
>> "yes".
>> The very nature of WISPs are to "deploy fast". Licensing takes advanced
>> planning and often adds 2 months to the process. I will say that 50% of
>> the
>> sales our company made to date were because we could get a link to the
>> customer Sooner. We didn't need to plan, we just executed action. It is
>> a
>> convenience factor. 24Ghz offers
>>A) The ability to "STOCK" inventory on hand, without knowing in
>> advance
>> where it will be used.
>>B) The ability to "immediately" place orders, without waiting for
>> Freq
>> Coords.
>>C) 23Ghz does not allow temporary install after Freq Coord and
>> application stage, and are not legally allowed to be deployed until
>> after
>> the license is actually granted, and I beleive has an additional step
>> (by
>> FCC to determine channel availabilty) beyond the initial end user
>> ordered
>> Freq coord, before the FCC can grant the license.
>>D) The ability to "immediately" go install.  ONLY thing needing done
>> before installing, is a quick 5 minute path calc, with large odds
>> success
>> will be reached.
>>
>> 7) Does 24Ghz scale? Answer is "yes". 24Ghz will scale significantly
>> higher
>> than 23Ghz. Because 24Ghz is lower tx power (about 20 db lower), it will
>> allow a m

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[can...@believewireless.net]

I second what Tom says.  We need another affordable 24GHz solution.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Well, I'll add a couple comments, before the group chimes in
>
> I agree, that in MORE cases, people will chose 23Ghz licensed over 24Ghz.
> But that does not negate the 24Ghz model potential.
>
> For 24Ghz, 2ft Dish configurations are going to be MUCH more effective. And
> as well, Lower modulations/speeds will likely occur per link, in order to
> reach further distances.
> But doing 1.5 miles at 99.999% is doable with 24Ghz at 100mbps, with
> multiple channels to choose from.  (mine was 1.7 miles long).
> I'd argue that 24Ghz has more channel selections than 2.4Ghz, 900Mhz, and
> much larger ability for spectrum reuse.
> 24Ghz is an ideal choice for getting a LARGE number of PTP links into a
> small area.
> This is the fact WISPS are running out of "Last Mile" spectrum.  The
> demand for higher speeds has come fast.
> WISPs need to start migrating profitable high capacity customers OFF of
> their 5.8Ghz PtMP sectors, so the capacity is available for their lower
> capacity higher volume target subscriber base.
> For many, there is no longer an option to add 5.8G APs, growth instead is
> acheived by moving large cpacity customers to new High capacity
> technologies, which today is only possible w/ PTP.
>
> The first thing to understand is
> There is absolutely a market and demand for increasing capacity to
> customers
> within a 1.5 mile radius.
> ANY provider in a URBAN or SUBURBAN market will have this demand.
>
> For example, in DC its only like 3 miles side to side, and narrow beamwidth
> links are needed.
> 60-80Ghz promised a solution, but never delivered. Low cost links are
> limited to .5 miles, and EXPENSIVE (3X cost of Horizon) gear can extend up
> to 2 miles.
>
> The second thing to understand is... Why would we choose 24Ghz over 23Ghz?.
>
> The questions to ask are... and answers following
> 1) Do we need licensed protection, in all cases?  And the answer is "No",
> we
> have 200 tenant buildings served with Unlicenced 5.x today.
>
> 2) Will WISPs pay $10K for an Unlicensed solution, for a unique solution if
> they need to? The answer is "yes". People have been paying > $10k for
> Redline and Orthogon PTPs for years.
>
> 3) Will WISPs do everything possible to save a dollar? The answer is "yes",
> we have been trained to do that since birth :-)
>
> 4) Is $3000 License Costs a signficant amount to save for a WISP?
> Absolutely, "yes".  $3000 would buy 1-2 Trango TLink45s, dependant on
> Promos. Remember most WISPs are still funded through cash flow. $3000 is a
> small fortune. This comment is with the premise that 24Ghz product would be
> sold for equal or less money than its 23Ghz licensed counterpart.
> Trango nor WISPs have any benefit to giving our hard earned money to the
> FCC
> and licensing consultants.  Take note that based on current Trango prices,
> a
> $3000 savings is like a 25% savings of the total link. Many buyers have
> chosen Trango over their previous vendor Dragonwave for as little as a 10%
> savings. What would a WISP do to save 25%?
>
> 5) Note... Grant money will usually buy "equipment" not "licenses.".
> Leasing
> companies will approve leases for Equipment, and rarely for "licenses" taht
> can't be reposessed. A WISP could buy more radios with grant/lease money,
> if
> they were not limited by cash flow constraints to buy licenses.
>
> 6) Are there any reasons 24Ghz might be favored over 23Ghz? Answer "yes".
> The very nature of WISPs are to "deploy fast". Licensing takes advanced
> planning and often adds 2 months to the process. I will say that 50% of the
> sales our company made to date were because we could get a link to the
> customer Sooner. We didn't need to plan, we just executed action. It is a
> convenience factor. 24Ghz offers
>A) The ability to "STOCK" inventory on hand, without knowing in advance
> where it will be used.
>B) The ability to "immediately" place orders, without waiting for Freq
> Coords.
>C) 23Ghz does not allow temporary install after Freq Coord and
> application stage, and are not legally allowed to be deployed until after
> the license is actually granted, and I beleive has an additional step (by
> FCC to determine channel availabilty) beyond the initial end user ordered
> Freq coord, before the FCC can grant the license.
>D) The ability to "immediately" go install.  ONLY thing needing done
> before installing, is a quick 5 minute path calc, with large odds success
> will be reached.
>
> 7) Does 24Ghz scale? Answer is "yes". 24Ghz will scale significantly higher
> than 23Ghz. Because 24Ghz is lower tx power (about 20 db lower), it will
> allow a much larger number of radios to be installed within a given region
> without interference.  A 23Ghz licenses is not guaranteed to be available.
> Its important to note that 23Ghz licenses requires that licensees are
> guaranteed a large minimu

[WISPA] Lauderdale Lakes FL

[os10rules]

Does anyone provide residential service in Lauderdale Lakes FL?

Thanks!
Greg



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Re: [WISPA] Service in Mt. Carmel IL

[Jim Patient]

Yep they have a POP there.  Rob Summers takes care of that area.  
rob.summ...@accessus.net

Jim

John Scrivner wrote:
> The local provider is likely Access Us . I serve
> about 60 miles west of there.
> Scriv
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I got a service request from someone in Mt. Carmel IL. They said their
>> friend has us and told them to go to accessusa.net - which is a domain I
>> own, but it goes to my web site for DC Access.
>>
>> Anyone serve this area? If so, contact me offlist and I'll give you her
>> contact info.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Martha
>> --
>>
>> Martha Huizenga
>> DC Access, LLC
>> 202-546-5898
>> */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/
>> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>>
>> /*
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Tom DeReggi]

Well, I'll add a couple comments, before the group chimes in

I agree, that in MORE cases, people will chose 23Ghz licensed over 24Ghz.
But that does not negate the 24Ghz model potential.

For 24Ghz, 2ft Dish configurations are going to be MUCH more effective. And 
as well, Lower modulations/speeds will likely occur per link, in order to 
reach further distances.
But doing 1.5 miles at 99.999% is doable with 24Ghz at 100mbps, with 
multiple channels to choose from.  (mine was 1.7 miles long).
I'd argue that 24Ghz has more channel selections than 2.4Ghz, 900Mhz, and 
much larger ability for spectrum reuse.
24Ghz is an ideal choice for getting a LARGE number of PTP links into a 
small area.
This is the fact WISPS are running out of "Last Mile" spectrum.  The 
demand for higher speeds has come fast.
WISPs need to start migrating profitable high capacity customers OFF of 
their 5.8Ghz PtMP sectors, so the capacity is available for their lower 
capacity higher volume target subscriber base.
For many, there is no longer an option to add 5.8G APs, growth instead is 
acheived by moving large cpacity customers to new High capacity 
technologies, which today is only possible w/ PTP.

The first thing to understand is
There is absolutely a market and demand for increasing capacity to customers 
within a 1.5 mile radius.
ANY provider in a URBAN or SUBURBAN market will have this demand.

For example, in DC its only like 3 miles side to side, and narrow beamwidth 
links are needed.
60-80Ghz promised a solution, but never delivered. Low cost links are 
limited to .5 miles, and EXPENSIVE (3X cost of Horizon) gear can extend up 
to 2 miles.

The second thing to understand is... Why would we choose 24Ghz over 23Ghz?.

The questions to ask are... and answers following
1) Do we need licensed protection, in all cases?  And the answer is "No", we 
have 200 tenant buildings served with Unlicenced 5.x today.

2) Will WISPs pay $10K for an Unlicensed solution, for a unique solution if 
they need to? The answer is "yes". People have been paying > $10k for 
Redline and Orthogon PTPs for years.

3) Will WISPs do everything possible to save a dollar? The answer is "yes", 
we have been trained to do that since birth :-)

4) Is $3000 License Costs a signficant amount to save for a WISP? 
Absolutely, "yes".  $3000 would buy 1-2 Trango TLink45s, dependant on 
Promos. Remember most WISPs are still funded through cash flow. $3000 is a 
small fortune. This comment is with the premise that 24Ghz product would be 
sold for equal or less money than its 23Ghz licensed counterpart.
Trango nor WISPs have any benefit to giving our hard earned money to the FCC 
and licensing consultants.  Take note that based on current Trango prices, a 
$3000 savings is like a 25% savings of the total link. Many buyers have 
chosen Trango over their previous vendor Dragonwave for as little as a 10% 
savings. What would a WISP do to save 25%?

5) Note... Grant money will usually buy "equipment" not "licenses.". Leasing 
companies will approve leases for Equipment, and rarely for "licenses" taht 
can't be reposessed. A WISP could buy more radios with grant/lease money, if 
they were not limited by cash flow constraints to buy licenses.

6) Are there any reasons 24Ghz might be favored over 23Ghz? Answer "yes". 
The very nature of WISPs are to "deploy fast". Licensing takes advanced 
planning and often adds 2 months to the process. I will say that 50% of the 
sales our company made to date were because we could get a link to the 
customer Sooner. We didn't need to plan, we just executed action. It is a 
convenience factor. 24Ghz offers
A) The ability to "STOCK" inventory on hand, without knowing in advance 
where it will be used.
B) The ability to "immediately" place orders, without waiting for Freq 
Coords.
C) 23Ghz does not allow temporary install after Freq Coord and 
application stage, and are not legally allowed to be deployed until after 
the license is actually granted, and I beleive has an additional step (by 
FCC to determine channel availabilty) beyond the initial end user ordered 
Freq coord, before the FCC can grant the license.
D) The ability to "immediately" go install.  ONLY thing needing done 
before installing, is a quick 5 minute path calc, with large odds success 
will be reached.

7) Does 24Ghz scale? Answer is "yes". 24Ghz will scale significantly higher 
than 23Ghz. Because 24Ghz is lower tx power (about 20 db lower), it will 
allow a much larger number of radios to be installed within a given region 
without interference.  A 23Ghz licenses is not guaranteed to be available. 
Its important to note that 23Ghz licenses requires that licensees are 
guaranteed a large minimum dynamic range (SNR), at minimum level Quality of 
service. So to guarantee someone can get non-interference at 256QAM (30db 
SNR) and -30db rssi, and 30 db of fade margin.  This makes it much more 
possible for a new link to show that it would i

Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Blair Davis]

we don't give AVG away, we just provide a link to it.

Steve Barnes wrote:

  Actually I really like the 2009 Norton Products.  It eats 10% of the memory Norton 2008 did and kicks butt on finding stuff.  I've been giving AVG away and they called me and said that's a NO-NO besides that makes no revenue stream.  I sold 20 copies last week and have had 2 of them call and say that it has cleaned the malware Antivirus 2009 and the new variant Antivirus 360.  AVG and others have not been able to do that.

Steve Barnes
Executive Manager
PCS-WIN
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

A better recommendation would be to switch from Norton.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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From: "Steve Barnes" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:52 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

  
  
We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do 
odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 
version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows) 
that I might Try that you like.

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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Blair Davis]

dump norton.  we did years ago.

Steve Barnes wrote:

  We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows) that I might Try that you like.

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Re: [WISPA] Service in Mt. Carmel IL

[John Scrivner]

The local provider is likely Access Us . I serve
about 60 miles west of there.
Scriv


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I got a service request from someone in Mt. Carmel IL. They said their
> friend has us and told them to go to accessusa.net - which is a domain I
> own, but it goes to my web site for DC Access.
>
> Anyone serve this area? If so, contact me offlist and I'll give you her
> contact info.
>
> Thanks
> Martha
> --
>
> Martha Huizenga
> DC Access, LLC
> 202-546-5898
> */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/
> Connecting the Capitol Hill Community
>
> /*
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Matt Liotta]

On Feb 11, 2009, at 5:02 PM, John Seaman wrote:

> Matt, there is no DFS detector in the Atlas5010. It was not a firmware
> issue, but rather a hardware limitation.   That is why we released the
> 5055, aka the TrangoLINK-45 which is essentially the same product as  
> the
> Atlas but has DFS support for the UNII band.   If you bought the 5010s
> before the FCC cutoff in 2006 then you are legally allowed to use the
> 5.2/5.3 GHz band with the 5010.  The old firmware for the 5010s that
> operates without DFS is available on our archived FW download page.
>
I don't want the old firmware... I have that. I want the new firmware,  
but that disables 5.2 on my 5010s. Trango should provide modern  
firmware that properly handles grandfathered radios.

> Promotions will come and go.  I am pretty sure all the vendors have
> engaged in promos at one time or another where the promo price is
> equivalent to, or better than standard volume based pricing. In your
> case it may have been unfurtunate timing where the promos came out
> shortly after the volume purchase.
>
I agree the timing was unfortunate. We have never bought another  
Trango radio since that time, so who really suffered in this case?

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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Josh Luthman]

I will say this, I found this interesting just this morning...

I have many AN50 links.  They work very very well.  Love this product very
much myself.

The AN80 is the replacement product.  A WISP bought 24 radios (12 links) of
AN80s expecting them to be equally as good if not better.  The price was
definitely better.  Time and time again these things caused problems and
were replaced with Orthogon and the problem was solved.  Just thought I
would share that.

Just because of that one company's horror story I doubt very much I will
ever investigate using that product.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Josh,
>
> No one will disagree that the Flip-Flopping price structures with the
> Trango
> PTMP lines was very annoying.
> And to be honest, the industry and I know it cost Trango customers.
> But there is a flip side, to identify value.
> For example, 99.9% of my original installed Trango gear (starting in 2001)
> is still in service, generating Revenue, and surviving interference better
> than any new product line on the market that I have used, for "my"
> application and circumstances. Many early generation WISPs (sub yr 2000)
> argued a likely need to change/upgrade technology every 3 years, and a new
> WISP should plan for such.  I'm going on 8 years now, without the need to
> replace gear. And I charge a lot more than $50/month.  That is an amazing
> value proposition, that I never predicted when I made the decission to buy
> into the Trango solution.  I underestimated what it would take to make
> sales, and I did not meet my benchmarks as planned. I'm just glad I didn't
> underestimate the need to use Trango, because if I had to replace gear in 3
> years, I would have been out of business today.  I attribute the longevity
> of their product line to fine quality components internally and good
> engineering. I believe Trango is putting the same heart into their new PTP
> lines, and I do not doubt for a second that the product line will have the
> longevity that my business financial model requires.
>
> Again, I'm not suggesting which product you should buy, or which will have
> better value for you. You should evaluate all PTP options. But I am
> suggesting that you don't sell yourself short, by making the decission for
> the wrong reasons. With PtMP system, you are locking yourself into a
> platform for future buying decissions. With PTP you are not. You can change
> buying patterns link by links, as you see fit, without abandoning previous
> investments..
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>
> > That was exactly my point, Patrick.
> >
> > With the PMP products they flip flopped.  They started making PTP
> > products -
> > what's to say they won't do the same thing to those who have these
> > deployed?  Fool me one shame on you, fool me twice...
> >
> > Also, how is the support with the PTP products?  I have been listening in
> > on
> > all licensed PTP equipment but I am not even around to shopping.  All the
> > backhauls are currently 5GHz which I would like to replace over the
> coming
> > months, years.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > --- Henry Spencer
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Patrick Leary 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> >From my viewpoint, I can say that I know several WISPs of late that
> >> might not have touched Trango PMP products (mostly due to perceptions of
> >> waffling company policies that forced price fluctuations and random
> >> changes), but love the Trango PTP products. I think it is a fair
> >> assessment that Trango's entry in to the PTP space with as a value play
> >> has wildly upset the apple cart of established players who historically
> >> counted on massive margin. I've been certainly impressed with the rapid
> >> uptake of the product across verticals, which is not an easy feat.
> >>
> >>
> >> Patrick Leary
> >> Aperto Networks
> >> 813.426.4230 mobile
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of John Seaman
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
> >>
> >> Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and Ray.
> >> We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays
> >> profitable in tough economic times.  We'll add support resources as
> >> needed and as the installed base grows.

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[John Seaman]

Matt, there is no DFS detector in the Atlas5010. It was not a firmware
issue, but rather a hardware limitation.   That is why we released the
5055, aka the TrangoLINK-45 which is essentially the same product as the
Atlas but has DFS support for the UNII band.   If you bought the 5010s
before the FCC cutoff in 2006 then you are legally allowed to use the
5.2/5.3 GHz band with the 5010.  The old firmware for the 5010s that
operates without DFS is available on our archived FW download page.

Promotions will come and go.  I am pretty sure all the vendors have
engaged in promos at one time or another where the promo price is
equivalent to, or better than standard volume based pricing. In your
case it may have been unfurtunate timing where the promos came out
shortly after the volume purchase.  

John


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:54 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Trango has a way of destroying their reputation even when their product
is not at fault. We've had them offer us volume discounts only later to
see the same price offered without a volume requirement as part of a
promotion. I can't get a modern firmware for our older 5010s that
operate in 5.2 because the new firmware turns on DFS even though our
radios are grandfathered. It is sad they never updated their Atlas
platform.

-Matt

On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> That was exactly my point, Patrick.
>
> With the PMP products they flip flopped.  They started making PTP 
> products - what's to say they won't do the same thing to those who 
> have these deployed?  Fool me one shame on you, fool me twice...
>
> Also, how is the support with the PTP products?  I have been listening

> in on
> all licensed PTP equipment but I am not even around to shopping.   
> All the
> backhauls are currently 5GHz which I would like to replace over the 
> coming months, years.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Patrick Leary  
> wrote:
>
>>> From my viewpoint, I can say that I know several WISPs of late that
>> might not have touched Trango PMP products (mostly due to perceptions

>> of waffling company policies that forced price fluctuations and 
>> random changes), but love the Trango PTP products. I think it is a 
>> fair assessment that Trango's entry in to the PTP space with as a 
>> value play has wildly upset the apple cart of established players who

>> historically counted on massive margin. I've been certainly impressed

>> with the rapid uptake of the product across verticals, which is not 
>> an easy feat.
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Aperto Networks
>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]

>> On Behalf Of John Seaman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>
>> Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and 
>> Ray.
>> We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays 
>> profitable in tough economic times.  We'll add support resources as 
>> needed and as the installed base grows.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org]

>> On Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>
>> Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear?  Tell us 
>> about the tech support department.  Is it just Timo (sp?)?  How many 
>> other employees are there for support?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> John Seaman wrote:
>>> And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are  
>>> some
>>> old horror stories out there but far more success stories of 
>>> succesful
>>> WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a  
>>> bad
>>> experience in the past.
>>>
>>> By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with 
>>> some of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If 
>>> anyone is interested in the promos let us or CTI know.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>>
>>> So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin

>>> you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.
>>>
>>> I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible 
>>> experience, cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.
>>>
>>> On 2/11/

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Matt Liotta]

Trango has a way of destroying their reputation even when their  
product is not at fault. We've had them offer us volume discounts only  
later to see the same price offered without a volume requirement as  
part of a promotion. I can't get a modern firmware for our older 5010s  
that operate in 5.2 because the new firmware turns on DFS even though  
our radios are grandfathered. It is sad they never updated their Atlas  
platform.

-Matt

On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> That was exactly my point, Patrick.
>
> With the PMP products they flip flopped.  They started making PTP  
> products -
> what's to say they won't do the same thing to those who have these
> deployed?  Fool me one shame on you, fool me twice...
>
> Also, how is the support with the PTP products?  I have been  
> listening in on
> all licensed PTP equipment but I am not even around to shopping.   
> All the
> backhauls are currently 5GHz which I would like to replace over the  
> coming
> months, years.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Patrick Leary  
>  wrote:
>
>>> From my viewpoint, I can say that I know several WISPs of late that
>> might not have touched Trango PMP products (mostly due to  
>> perceptions of
>> waffling company policies that forced price fluctuations and random
>> changes), but love the Trango PTP products. I think it is a fair
>> assessment that Trango's entry in to the PTP space with as a value  
>> play
>> has wildly upset the apple cart of established players who  
>> historically
>> counted on massive margin. I've been certainly impressed with the  
>> rapid
>> uptake of the product across verticals, which is not an easy feat.
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Aperto Networks
>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of John Seaman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>
>> Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and  
>> Ray.
>> We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays
>> profitable in tough economic times.  We'll add support resources as
>> needed and as the installed base grows.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>
>> Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear?  Tell us  
>> about
>> the tech support department.  Is it just Timo (sp?)?  How many other
>> employees are there for support?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> John Seaman wrote:
>>> And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are  
>>> some
>>> old horror stories out there but far more success stories of  
>>> succesful
>>> WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a  
>>> bad
>>> experience in the past.
>>>
>>> By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with
>>> some of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If
>>> anyone is interested in the promos let us or CTI know.
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>>
>>> So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin
>>> you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.
>>>
>>> I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible
>>> experience, cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.
>>>
>>> On 2/11/09, John Seaman  wrote:
>>>
 Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of
 Trango's

>>>
>>>
 units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have
 shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
 specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR
 greater and a very significant portion of the links shipped have  
 gone
>>
 outside the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC
 database. Our overall numbers of links shipped may be small  
 compared
 to Ceragon and the big guys but the product has gained widespread
 acceptance, traction and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else  
 would
>>
 our competitors be acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly  
 established
 itself with TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we  
 are
 also gaining excellent traction with counties, states, cities,
 utilities, as well as the US Military... T

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Tom DeReggi]

Josh,

No one will disagree that the Flip-Flopping price structures with the Trango 
PTMP lines was very annoying.
And to be honest, the industry and I know it cost Trango customers.
But there is a flip side, to identify value.
For example, 99.9% of my original installed Trango gear (starting in 2001) 
is still in service, generating Revenue, and surviving interference better 
than any new product line on the market that I have used, for "my" 
application and circumstances. Many early generation WISPs (sub yr 2000) 
argued a likely need to change/upgrade technology every 3 years, and a new 
WISP should plan for such.  I'm going on 8 years now, without the need to 
replace gear. And I charge a lot more than $50/month.  That is an amazing 
value proposition, that I never predicted when I made the decission to buy 
into the Trango solution.  I underestimated what it would take to make 
sales, and I did not meet my benchmarks as planned. I'm just glad I didn't 
underestimate the need to use Trango, because if I had to replace gear in 3 
years, I would have been out of business today.  I attribute the longevity 
of their product line to fine quality components internally and good 
engineering. I believe Trango is putting the same heart into their new PTP 
lines, and I do not doubt for a second that the product line will have the 
longevity that my business financial model requires.

Again, I'm not suggesting which product you should buy, or which will have 
better value for you. You should evaluate all PTP options. But I am 
suggesting that you don't sell yourself short, by making the decission for 
the wrong reasons. With PtMP system, you are locking yourself into a 
platform for future buying decissions. With PTP you are not. You can change 
buying patterns link by links, as you see fit, without abandoning previous 
investments..

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link


> That was exactly my point, Patrick.
>
> With the PMP products they flip flopped.  They started making PTP 
> products -
> what's to say they won't do the same thing to those who have these
> deployed?  Fool me one shame on you, fool me twice...
>
> Also, how is the support with the PTP products?  I have been listening in 
> on
> all licensed PTP equipment but I am not even around to shopping.  All the
> backhauls are currently 5GHz which I would like to replace over the coming
> months, years.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Patrick Leary  
> wrote:
>
>> >From my viewpoint, I can say that I know several WISPs of late that
>> might not have touched Trango PMP products (mostly due to perceptions of
>> waffling company policies that forced price fluctuations and random
>> changes), but love the Trango PTP products. I think it is a fair
>> assessment that Trango's entry in to the PTP space with as a value play
>> has wildly upset the apple cart of established players who historically
>> counted on massive margin. I've been certainly impressed with the rapid
>> uptake of the product across verticals, which is not an easy feat.
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Aperto Networks
>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of John Seaman
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>
>> Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and Ray.
>> We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays
>> profitable in tough economic times.  We'll add support resources as
>> needed and as the installed base grows.
>>
>> John
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>
>> Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear?  Tell us about
>> the tech support department.  Is it just Timo (sp?)?  How many other
>> employees are there for support?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> John Seaman wrote:
>> > And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are some
>> > old horror stories out there but far more success stories of succesful
>> > WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a bad
>> > experience in the past.
>> >
>> > By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with
>> > some of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If
>> > anyone is interested in the promos let us or CTI know.
>> >
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> 

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[John Seaman]

Thanks Tom,  we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are
very low.  We are looking at it but we're trying to size up the 24 GHz
market before we make the commitment to pursue this frequency.  I do
know that in Canada there is good demnand for 24 GHz (since licensing
fees are extremely high) .. but here is the US, the licensing costs are
so low that most users prefer to go with licensed band.. at least that
has been our perception of the market so far.  I would like to hear
others view points on 24 GHz.

John

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

> The only reason we don't attach
> it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a 
> waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want 
> to connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so that it can be used 
> with any dish with a waveguide flange.

Good feature for those who want to upgrade pre-existing installed slower
DS-3 type radios with new state of the art IP, using already installed
dish.

As someone who has now used both the Trango and Dragonwave products, I
can honestly say they are both very fine products, and a buyer couldn't
possibly go wrong with either purchase decission.  But, we have reached
a point where a buyer does not HAVE TO accept a significant technical
compromise anymore 
to gain a "better price".   I will not get into a debate of which
product is 
"better", as there are very tiny differences that might be more or less
preferable dependant on the buyer's application or personal preference.
But I will say, Dragonwave will lose sales, if they try to keep their
price higher, and at minimum are at a stage requiring price matching.
There was a time that "Dragonwave" was considered the "premium" product,
but today there are many buyers that would argue the opposite that
Trango is now becomming the more "premium" product.  I'll leave that
decission to the prospective buyer.

What I'd like to see from Dragonwave, is for them to give their
distributors better prices consistently by default, so they can be more
competitive.  I think their quality resellers deserve that assistance,
and the markup they add to generate sales.

What I'd like to see from Trango, is for them to embrace 24Ghz, and add
it to their collection. There is a Huge market for this, to empower
WISPs to close deals and isntall links without delay.
(even if they were converted to 23Ghz licensed down the road).

What would be really cool, is a 23Ghz unit that was wideband and
supported 23Ghz through 24Ghz, where software implemented the neccessary
power reductions at 24Ghz unlicensed to keep it legal, when the channel
was selected. I do not know if that is technically acheivable or not,
without compromise.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: "John Seaman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link


> Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of Trango's
> units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have
> shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
> specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR
greater
> and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone outside
> the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC database. Our
> overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared to Ceragon and
> the big guys but the product has gained widespread acceptance,
traction
> and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would our competitors be
> acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established itself with
> TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are also gaining
> excellent traction with counties, states, cities, utilities, as well
as
> the US Military... These entities traditionally deploylargest
quantities
> of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to mobile operators who deploy
by
> far the most.  (although most mobile operator deployments are still
> strictly TDM).  There is no stopping Trango.  We will continue to peck
> away at Dragonwave's marketshare and gradually we'll be taking larger
> and larger portions of it.  Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year,
it
> was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money
> quarter-after-quarter.  Trango is, and has always been profitable.
>
> I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
> handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
> similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be
> aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and
> TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 4
> GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  Th

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Tom DeReggi]

> The only reason we don't attach
> it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a
> waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want to
> connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so that it can be used with
> any dish with a waveguide flange.

Good feature for those who want to upgrade pre-existing installed slower 
DS-3 type radios with new state of the art IP, using already installed dish.

As someone who has now used both the Trango and Dragonwave products, I can 
honestly say they are both very fine products, and a buyer couldn't possibly 
go wrong with either purchase decission.  But, we have reached a point where 
a buyer does not HAVE TO accept a significant technical compromise anymore 
to gain a "better price".   I will not get into a debate of which product is 
"better", as there are very tiny differences that might be more or less 
preferable dependant on the buyer's application or personal preference. But 
I will say, Dragonwave will lose sales, if they try to keep their price 
higher, and at minimum are at a stage requiring price matching. There was a 
time that "Dragonwave" was considered the "premium" product, but today there 
are many buyers that would argue the opposite that Trango is now becomming 
the more "premium" product.  I'll leave that decission to the prospective 
buyer.

What I'd like to see from Dragonwave, is for them to give their distributors 
better prices consistently by default, so they can be more competitive.  I 
think their quality resellers deserve that assistance, and the markup they 
add to generate sales.

What I'd like to see from Trango, is for them to embrace 24Ghz, and add it 
to their collection. There is a Huge market for this, to empower WISPs to 
close deals and isntall links without delay.
(even if they were converted to 23Ghz licensed down the road).

What would be really cool, is a 23Ghz unit that was wideband and supported 
23Ghz through 24Ghz, where software implemented the neccessary power 
reductions at 24Ghz unlicensed to keep it legal, when the channel was 
selected. I do not know if that is technically acheivable or not, without 
compromise.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "John Seaman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link


> Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of Trango's
> units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have
> shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
> specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR greater
> and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone outside
> the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC database. Our
> overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared to Ceragon and
> the big guys but the product has gained widespread acceptance, traction
> and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would our competitors be
> acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established itself with
> TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are also gaining
> excellent traction with counties, states, cities, utilities, as well as
> the US Military... These entities traditionally deploylargest quantities
> of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to mobile operators who deploy by
> far the most.  (although most mobile operator deployments are still
> strictly TDM).  There is no stopping Trango.  We will continue to peck
> away at Dragonwave's marketshare and gradually we'll be taking larger
> and larger portions of it.  Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it
> was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money
> quarter-after-quarter.  Trango is, and has always been profitable.
>
> I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
> handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
> similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be
> aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and
> TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 4
> GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX is
> the all outdoor POE product which offers a GigE port as well as a
> plug-in slot for a fiber SFP module. I have never been able to determine
> how the Dragonwave optical option works...but I dont think it is
> anything as simple as APEX (Daniel feel free to provide details).  Both
> of the traffic ports (optical and GigE copper) on the APEX can be used
> simultaneously.  GIGA and APEX both offer port priority and QoS
> functionality as well as rapid port shutdown.  The multiple port option
> allows users to completely segregate traffic from one port to the next.
> Dragonwave does not have this feature.The APEX offers TRUE "Hitless"
> ACM which is Adaptive Coding Modulation which means the system will move
> to 

Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[D. Ryan Spott]

ClamAV seems to have on demand scanning. It grabs garbage from my end 
users

hrm...

ryan

Josh Luthman wrote:
> I used to use AVG - it was a simple install and forget.  6 months ago they
> started nagging and making it difficult for those lesser knowledged users.
> Switched to Avast for now.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM, David E. Smith  wrote:
>
>   
>> D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> As for antivirus, just use  or
>>> 
>>>   
>> ClamAV was designed as a mail-scanning package, and it shows. There's no
>> real-time scan component for Windows, and historically it's done a poor
>> job of detecting things that aren't normally transmitted via email.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm very much on the AVG bandwagon - for end-users it's free,
>> for business customers it's reasonably-priced, and it's less annoying
>> and intrusive than most of the other options.
>>
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Josh Luthman]

I used to use AVG - it was a simple install and forget.  6 months ago they
started nagging and making it difficult for those lesser knowledged users.
Switched to Avast for now.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM, David E. Smith  wrote:

> D. Ryan Spott wrote:
>
> > As for antivirus, just use  or
> > 
>
> ClamAV was designed as a mail-scanning package, and it shows. There's no
> real-time scan component for Windows, and historically it's done a poor
> job of detecting things that aren't normally transmitted via email.
>
> Anyway, I'm very much on the AVG bandwagon - for end-users it's free,
> for business customers it's reasonably-priced, and it's less annoying
> and intrusive than most of the other options.
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

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D. Ryan Spott wrote:

> As for antivirus, just use  or 
> 

ClamAV was designed as a mail-scanning package, and it shows. There's no 
real-time scan component for Windows, and historically it's done a poor 
job of detecting things that aren't normally transmitted via email.

Anyway, I'm very much on the AVG bandwagon - for end-users it's free, 
for business customers it's reasonably-priced, and it's less annoying 
and intrusive than most of the other options.

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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Josh Luthman]

That was exactly my point, Patrick.

With the PMP products they flip flopped.  They started making PTP products -
what's to say they won't do the same thing to those who have these
deployed?  Fool me one shame on you, fool me twice...

Also, how is the support with the PTP products?  I have been listening in on
all licensed PTP equipment but I am not even around to shopping.  All the
backhauls are currently 5GHz which I would like to replace over the coming
months, years.

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:

> >From my viewpoint, I can say that I know several WISPs of late that
> might not have touched Trango PMP products (mostly due to perceptions of
> waffling company policies that forced price fluctuations and random
> changes), but love the Trango PTP products. I think it is a fair
> assessment that Trango's entry in to the PTP space with as a value play
> has wildly upset the apple cart of established players who historically
> counted on massive margin. I've been certainly impressed with the rapid
> uptake of the product across verticals, which is not an easy feat.
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of John Seaman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and Ray.
> We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays
> profitable in tough economic times.  We'll add support resources as
> needed and as the installed base grows.
>
> John
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear?  Tell us about
> the tech support department.  Is it just Timo (sp?)?  How many other
> employees are there for support?
>
> Randy
>
>
> John Seaman wrote:
> > And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are some
> > old horror stories out there but far more success stories of succesful
> > WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a bad
> > experience in the past.
> >
> > By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with
> > some of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If
> > anyone is interested in the promos let us or CTI know.
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
> >
> > So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin
> > you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.
> >
> > I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible
> > experience, cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.
> >
> > On 2/11/09, John Seaman  wrote:
> >
> >> Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of
> >> Trango's
> >>
> >
> >
> >> units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have
> >> shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
> >> specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR
> >> greater and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone
>
> >> outside the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC
> >> database. Our overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared
> >> to Ceragon and the big guys but the product has gained widespread
> >> acceptance, traction and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would
>
> >> our competitors be acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established
> >> itself with TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are
> >> also gaining excellent traction with counties, states, cities,
> >> utilities, as well as the US Military... These entities traditionally
>
> >> deploylargest quantities of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to
> >> mobile operators who deploy by far the most.  (although most mobile
> >> operator deployments are still strictly TDM).  There is no stopping
> >> Trango.  We will continue to peck away at Dragonwave's marketshare
> >> and
> >>
> >
> >
> >> gradually we'll be taking larger and larger portions of it.
> >> Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil -
> >> and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter.
> >>
> > Trango is, and has always been profitable.
> >
> >> I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
> >> handy. W

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Josh Luthman]

I didn't purchase Trango to begin with, the company was acquired =)

I just find it hard to make any money off of a customer paying $50/mo when I
have to spend $700 on a CPE.  I was told (this is word of mouth, no proof)
that the CPEs were reasonably priced in the past and for whatever reason
were skyrocketed.  If it takes a year for an ROI for every customer there is
no way starting companies can do this.  If you can even get the unit cut in
half to $350 that is still twice our MikroTik cost.

As far as performance goes they're not bad at all.  I find the peak of 7
megs with these products workable.  The enclosure is beautiful - simple and
it works.  The dual polarity built in antennas is quite simply an amazing
feature.  The priority feature that significantly improves the number of
capable SUs per AP is what really separates it from 802.11a.  I've heard of
100 customers on a single AP.

I am by no means blaming you, John, but the decision makers at Trango.  If
you had to do it, you had to do it.  I may have had the worst experience out
there, but I am warning everyone out there of my experiences as that is what
the lists are for - sharing experience and knowledge.

I was part of the company when we had a Trango point to point link but I
never saw it myself - it died and we replaced it with Redline An50s.  I
don't know if it was hardware failure, lightning or even a totally different
frequency.  The only facts I have are: Trango, point to point, it was
required we replaced it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:31 PM, John Seaman  wrote:

> Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and Ray.
> We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays
> profitable in tough economic times.  We'll add support resources as
> needed and as the installed base grows.
>
> John
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear?  Tell us about
> the tech support department.  Is it just Timo (sp?)?  How many other
> employees are there for support?
>
> Randy
>
>
> John Seaman wrote:
> > And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are some
> > old horror stories out there but far more success stories of succesful
> > WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a bad
> > experience in the past.
> >
> > By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with
> > some of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If
> > anyone is interested in the promos let us or CTI know.
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
> >
> > So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin
> > you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.
> >
> > I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible
> > experience, cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.
> >
> > On 2/11/09, John Seaman  wrote:
> >
> >> Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of
> >> Trango's
> >>
> >
> >
> >> units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have
> >> shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
> >> specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR
> >> greater and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone
>
> >> outside the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC
> >> database. Our overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared
> >> to Ceragon and the big guys but the product has gained widespread
> >> acceptance, traction and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would
>
> >> our competitors be acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established
> >> itself with TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are
> >> also gaining excellent traction with counties, states, cities,
> >> utilities, as well as the US Military... These entities traditionally
>
> >> deploylargest quantities of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to
> >> mobile operators who deploy by far the most.  (although most mobile
> >> operator deployments are still strictly TDM).  There is no stopping
> >> Trango.  We will continue to peck away at Dragonwave's marketshare
> >> and
> >>
> >
> >
> >> gradually we'll be taking larger and larger portions of it.
> >> Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil -
> >> and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-q

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Patrick Leary]

>From my viewpoint, I can say that I know several WISPs of late that
might not have touched Trango PMP products (mostly due to perceptions of
waffling company policies that forced price fluctuations and random
changes), but love the Trango PTP products. I think it is a fair
assessment that Trango's entry in to the PTP space with as a value play
has wildly upset the apple cart of established players who historically
counted on massive margin. I've been certainly impressed with the rapid
uptake of the product across verticals, which is not an easy feat.


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Seaman
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and Ray.
We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays
profitable in tough economic times.  We'll add support resources as
needed and as the installed base grows.

John

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear?  Tell us about
the tech support department.  Is it just Timo (sp?)?  How many other
employees are there for support?

Randy


John Seaman wrote:
> And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are some
> old horror stories out there but far more success stories of succesful
> WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a bad
> experience in the past.
>
> By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with 
> some of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If 
> anyone is interested in the promos let us or CTI know.
>
>
> John
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin 
> you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.
>
> I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible 
> experience, cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.
>
> On 2/11/09, John Seaman  wrote:
>   
>> Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of 
>> Trango's
>> 
>
>   
>> units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have 
>> shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge 
>> specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR 
>> greater and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone

>> outside the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC 
>> database. Our overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared 
>> to Ceragon and the big guys but the product has gained widespread 
>> acceptance, traction and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would

>> our competitors be acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established 
>> itself with TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are 
>> also gaining excellent traction with counties, states, cities, 
>> utilities, as well as the US Military... These entities traditionally

>> deploylargest quantities of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to 
>> mobile operators who deploy by far the most.  (although most mobile 
>> operator deployments are still strictly TDM).  There is no stopping 
>> Trango.  We will continue to peck away at Dragonwave's marketshare 
>> and
>> 
>
>   
>> gradually we'll be taking larger and larger portions of it.  
>> Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - 
>> and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter.
>> 
> Trango is, and has always been profitable.
>   
>> I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
>> handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
>> similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be

>> aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and 
>> TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers
>> 4
>> 
>
>   
>> GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX is

>> the all outdoor POE product which offers a GigE port as well as a 
>> plug-in slot for a fiber SFP module. I have never been able to 
>> determine how the Dragonwave optical option works...but I dont think 
>> it is anything as simple as APEX (Daniel feel free to provide 
>> details).  Both of the traffic ports (optical and GigE copper) on the

>> APEX can be used simultaneously.  GIGA and APEX both offer port 
>> priority and QoS functionality as well as rapid port shutdown.  The 
>> multi

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[John Seaman]

Hi Randy, There are three people in our support group..plus me and Ray.
We're a small sales and upport team.. but that's how a company stays
profitable in tough economic times.  We'll add support resources as
needed and as the installed base grows.

John

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear?  Tell us about
the tech support department.  Is it just Timo (sp?)?  How many other
employees are there for support?

Randy


John Seaman wrote:
> And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are some
> old horror stories out there but far more success stories of succesful
> WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a bad
> experience in the past.
>
> By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with 
> some of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If 
> anyone is interested in the promos let us or CTI know.
>
>
> John
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin 
> you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.
>
> I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible 
> experience, cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.
>
> On 2/11/09, John Seaman  wrote:
>   
>> Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of 
>> Trango's
>> 
>
>   
>> units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have 
>> shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge 
>> specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR 
>> greater and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone

>> outside the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC 
>> database. Our overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared 
>> to Ceragon and the big guys but the product has gained widespread 
>> acceptance, traction and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would

>> our competitors be acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established 
>> itself with TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are 
>> also gaining excellent traction with counties, states, cities, 
>> utilities, as well as the US Military... These entities traditionally

>> deploylargest quantities of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to 
>> mobile operators who deploy by far the most.  (although most mobile 
>> operator deployments are still strictly TDM).  There is no stopping 
>> Trango.  We will continue to peck away at Dragonwave's marketshare 
>> and
>> 
>
>   
>> gradually we'll be taking larger and larger portions of it.  
>> Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - 
>> and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter.
>> 
> Trango is, and has always been profitable.
>   
>> I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
>> handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
>> similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be

>> aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and 
>> TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 
>> 4
>> 
>
>   
>> GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX is

>> the all outdoor POE product which offers a GigE port as well as a 
>> plug-in slot for a fiber SFP module. I have never been able to 
>> determine how the Dragonwave optical option works...but I dont think 
>> it is anything as simple as APEX (Daniel feel free to provide 
>> details).  Both of the traffic ports (optical and GigE copper) on the

>> APEX can be used simultaneously.  GIGA and APEX both offer port 
>> priority and QoS functionality as well as rapid port shutdown.  The 
>> multiple port option allows users to completely segregate traffic 
>> from
>> 
> one port to the next.
>   
>> Dragonwave does not have this feature.The APEX offers TRUE
>> 
> "Hitless"
>   
>> ACM which is Adaptive Coding Modulation which means the system will 
>> move to slower modulations without taking any hits.  I don't believe 
>> that Horizon Compact offers hitless ACM.  Daniel, feel free to 
>> correct
>> 
> me if
>   
>> I am wrong.   Regarding the GIGA, one other point which comes up
often
>> is that the Dragonwave split solution (Airpair) allows only for very 
>> short (300 ft?) IF cable runs.  TrangoLINK-GIGA allows for 1000 ft of

>> cable.
>>
>> As for Daniel's other points:
>> -Products available now: TrangoLINK-GIGA 6, 11, 18, 23 GHz. APEX 18,
>> 11 GHz.  23 Ghz coming next month.
>> -Power Consum

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Travis Johnson]

HUH? Someone at Trango held a gun to your head and made you purchase
their gear?

I don't get this message at all?

Travis
Microserv

Josh Luthman wrote:

  So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin
you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.

I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible
experience, cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.

On 2/11/09, John Seaman  wrote:
  
  
Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of Trango's
units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have
shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR greater
and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone outside
the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC database. Our
overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared to Ceragon and
the big guys but the product has gained widespread acceptance, traction
and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would our competitors be
acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established itself with
TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are also gaining
excellent traction with counties, states, cities, utilities, as well as
the US Military... These entities traditionally deploylargest quantities
of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to mobile operators who deploy by
far the most.  (although most mobile operator deployments are still
strictly TDM).  There is no stopping Trango.  We will continue to peck
away at Dragonwave's marketshare and gradually we'll be taking larger
and larger portions of it.  Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it
was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money
quarter-after-quarter.  Trango is, and has always been profitable.

I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be
aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and
TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 4
GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX is
the all outdoor POE product which offers a GigE port as well as a
plug-in slot for a fiber SFP module. I have never been able to determine
how the Dragonwave optical option works...but I dont think it is
anything as simple as APEX (Daniel feel free to provide details).  Both
of the traffic ports (optical and GigE copper) on the APEX can be used
simultaneously.  GIGA and APEX both offer port priority and QoS
functionality as well as rapid port shutdown.  The multiple port option
allows users to completely segregate traffic from one port to the next.
Dragonwave does not have this feature.The APEX offers TRUE "Hitless"
ACM which is Adaptive Coding Modulation which means the system will move
to slower modulations without taking any hits.  I don't believe that
Horizon Compact offers hitless ACM.  Daniel, feel free to correct me if
I am wrong.   Regarding the GIGA, one other point which comes up often
is that the Dragonwave split solution (Airpair) allows only for very
short (300 ft?) IF cable runs.  TrangoLINK-GIGA allows for 1000 ft of
cable.

As for Daniel's other points:
-Products available now: TrangoLINK-GIGA 6, 11, 18, 23 GHz. APEX 18, 11
GHz.  23 Ghz coming next month.
-Power Consumption: TrangoLINK-APEX power consumption is lower than
Horizon Compact High power version although higher than Horizon standard
power version, which stands to reason.
-Field Proven:  Latest releases of GIGA and APEX firmware highly stable.
TrangoLINK-GIGA  has been in the field for  18 months now.
-CLI/GUI:  You can do a full link setup using only the GUI interface on
GIGA and APEX although admitedly the CLI has more functionality.  Our
firware engineers will enhance this in future releases.  The CLI is very
much like a Cisco interface and most users are very comfortable in the
CLI.
-LED Allignment - the allignment tool has received rave reviews from
most installers.  One thing I'd like to mention is that our newer ODUs
coming out, and all APEX models have built-in power detector in the ODU
to make the RSSI readouts more responsive than in the earlier ODUs.  So
the LED indicator that Daniel used on his nine-link deployment has
improved greatly in that it is highly responsive. Daniel if you get a
chance to do another allignment I am sure you will love the LED
allignment tool on the newer radios.
- APEX output power 3-8 dB better than Horizon compact standard model.
Horizon HP version 2.5 dB better than APEX at higher modulations (better
at lower modulation).
- Trango 18 Ghz covers 17.7 GHz - 18.14 & 19.265 - 19.7 GHz.  This is
440 MHz of spectrum..  I dont know the DW spec on this, but I do know
that I've never heard of a license being declined because there's not
enough channels availble in the radi

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Randy Cosby]

Can I ask an honest question about the PTP licensed gear?  Tell us about 
the tech support department.  Is it just Timo (sp?)?  How many other 
employees are there for support?

Randy


John Seaman wrote:
> And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are some
> old horror stories out there but far more success stories of succesful
> WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a bad
> experience in the past.
>
> By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with some
> of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If anyone is
> interested in the promos let us or CTI know.
>
>
> John 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin you
> like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.
>
> I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible experience,
> cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.
>
> On 2/11/09, John Seaman  wrote:
>   
>> Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of Trango's
>> 
>
>   
>> units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have 
>> shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge 
>> specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR 
>> greater and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone 
>> outside the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC 
>> database. Our overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared 
>> to Ceragon and the big guys but the product has gained widespread 
>> acceptance, traction and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would 
>> our competitors be acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established 
>> itself with TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are 
>> also gaining excellent traction with counties, states, cities, 
>> utilities, as well as the US Military... These entities traditionally 
>> deploylargest quantities of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to 
>> mobile operators who deploy by far the most.  (although most mobile 
>> operator deployments are still strictly TDM).  There is no stopping 
>> Trango.  We will continue to peck away at Dragonwave's marketshare and
>> 
>
>   
>> gradually we'll be taking larger and larger portions of it.  
>> Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - 
>> and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter.
>> 
> Trango is, and has always been profitable.
>   
>> I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
>> handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
>> similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be 
>> aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and 
>> TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 4
>> 
>
>   
>> GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX is 
>> the all outdoor POE product which offers a GigE port as well as a 
>> plug-in slot for a fiber SFP module. I have never been able to 
>> determine how the Dragonwave optical option works...but I dont think 
>> it is anything as simple as APEX (Daniel feel free to provide 
>> details).  Both of the traffic ports (optical and GigE copper) on the 
>> APEX can be used simultaneously.  GIGA and APEX both offer port 
>> priority and QoS functionality as well as rapid port shutdown.  The 
>> multiple port option allows users to completely segregate traffic from
>> 
> one port to the next.
>   
>> Dragonwave does not have this feature.The APEX offers TRUE
>> 
> "Hitless"
>   
>> ACM which is Adaptive Coding Modulation which means the system will 
>> move to slower modulations without taking any hits.  I don't believe 
>> that Horizon Compact offers hitless ACM.  Daniel, feel free to correct
>> 
> me if
>   
>> I am wrong.   Regarding the GIGA, one other point which comes up often
>> is that the Dragonwave split solution (Airpair) allows only for very 
>> short (300 ft?) IF cable runs.  TrangoLINK-GIGA allows for 1000 ft of 
>> cable.
>>
>> As for Daniel's other points:
>> -Products available now: TrangoLINK-GIGA 6, 11, 18, 23 GHz. APEX 18, 
>> 11 GHz.  23 Ghz coming next month.
>> -Power Consumption: TrangoLINK-APEX power consumption is lower than 
>> Horizon Compact High power version although higher than Horizon 
>> standard power version, which stands to reason.
>> -Field Proven:  Latest releases of GIGA and APEX firmware highly
>> 
> stable.
>   
>> TrangoLINK-GIGA  has been in the field for  18 months now.
>> -CLI/GUI:  You can do a full link setup using only the GUI interface 
>> on GIGA and APEX although admitedly the CLI has more functionality.  
>> Our firware engineers will

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[John Seaman]

And people wonder why I dont post to the list often.   There are some
old horror stories out there but far more success stories of succesful
WISPs using Trango equipment.   Josh, I am sorry to hear you had a bad
experience in the past.

By the way we are currently having a promotion on the 5830s.. with some
of the best pricing we have ever offered on this product.  If anyone is
interested in the promos let us or CTI know.


John 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin you
like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.

I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible experience,
cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.

On 2/11/09, John Seaman  wrote:
> Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of Trango's

> units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have 
> shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge 
> specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR 
> greater and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone 
> outside the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC 
> database. Our overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared 
> to Ceragon and the big guys but the product has gained widespread 
> acceptance, traction and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would 
> our competitors be acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established 
> itself with TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are 
> also gaining excellent traction with counties, states, cities, 
> utilities, as well as the US Military... These entities traditionally 
> deploylargest quantities of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to 
> mobile operators who deploy by far the most.  (although most mobile 
> operator deployments are still strictly TDM).  There is no stopping 
> Trango.  We will continue to peck away at Dragonwave's marketshare and

> gradually we'll be taking larger and larger portions of it.  
> Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it was closer to $40Mil - 
> and by the way they are losing tons of money quarter-after-quarter.
Trango is, and has always been profitable.
>
> I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
> handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
> similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be 
> aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and 
> TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 4

> GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX is 
> the all outdoor POE product which offers a GigE port as well as a 
> plug-in slot for a fiber SFP module. I have never been able to 
> determine how the Dragonwave optical option works...but I dont think 
> it is anything as simple as APEX (Daniel feel free to provide 
> details).  Both of the traffic ports (optical and GigE copper) on the 
> APEX can be used simultaneously.  GIGA and APEX both offer port 
> priority and QoS functionality as well as rapid port shutdown.  The 
> multiple port option allows users to completely segregate traffic from
one port to the next.
> Dragonwave does not have this feature.The APEX offers TRUE
"Hitless"
> ACM which is Adaptive Coding Modulation which means the system will 
> move to slower modulations without taking any hits.  I don't believe 
> that Horizon Compact offers hitless ACM.  Daniel, feel free to correct
me if
> I am wrong.   Regarding the GIGA, one other point which comes up often
> is that the Dragonwave split solution (Airpair) allows only for very 
> short (300 ft?) IF cable runs.  TrangoLINK-GIGA allows for 1000 ft of 
> cable.
>
> As for Daniel's other points:
> -Products available now: TrangoLINK-GIGA 6, 11, 18, 23 GHz. APEX 18, 
> 11 GHz.  23 Ghz coming next month.
> -Power Consumption: TrangoLINK-APEX power consumption is lower than 
> Horizon Compact High power version although higher than Horizon 
> standard power version, which stands to reason.
> -Field Proven:  Latest releases of GIGA and APEX firmware highly
stable.
> TrangoLINK-GIGA  has been in the field for  18 months now.
> -CLI/GUI:  You can do a full link setup using only the GUI interface 
> on GIGA and APEX although admitedly the CLI has more functionality.  
> Our firware engineers will enhance this in future releases.  The CLI 
> is very much like a Cisco interface and most users are very 
> comfortable in the CLI.
> -LED Allignment - the allignment tool has received rave reviews from 
> most installers.  One thing I'd like to mention is that our newer ODUs

> coming out, and all APEX models have built-in power detector in the 
> ODU to make the RSSI readouts more responsive than in the earlier 
> ODU

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Josh Luthman]

So when you build a Trango backhaul network you hope they don't ruin
you like they did for us trying to do use 700 dollar CPEs.

I have not used Trango backhaul products due to the horrible
experience, cost and support for the Acess 5800 and 5830 products.

On 2/11/09, John Seaman  wrote:
> Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of Trango's
> units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have
> shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
> specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR greater
> and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone outside
> the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC database. Our
> overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared to Ceragon and
> the big guys but the product has gained widespread acceptance, traction
> and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would our competitors be
> acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established itself with
> TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are also gaining
> excellent traction with counties, states, cities, utilities, as well as
> the US Military... These entities traditionally deploylargest quantities
> of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to mobile operators who deploy by
> far the most.  (although most mobile operator deployments are still
> strictly TDM).  There is no stopping Trango.  We will continue to peck
> away at Dragonwave's marketshare and gradually we'll be taking larger
> and larger portions of it.  Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it
> was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money
> quarter-after-quarter.  Trango is, and has always been profitable.
>
> I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
> handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
> similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be
> aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and
> TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 4
> GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX is
> the all outdoor POE product which offers a GigE port as well as a
> plug-in slot for a fiber SFP module. I have never been able to determine
> how the Dragonwave optical option works...but I dont think it is
> anything as simple as APEX (Daniel feel free to provide details).  Both
> of the traffic ports (optical and GigE copper) on the APEX can be used
> simultaneously.  GIGA and APEX both offer port priority and QoS
> functionality as well as rapid port shutdown.  The multiple port option
> allows users to completely segregate traffic from one port to the next.
> Dragonwave does not have this feature.The APEX offers TRUE "Hitless"
> ACM which is Adaptive Coding Modulation which means the system will move
> to slower modulations without taking any hits.  I don't believe that
> Horizon Compact offers hitless ACM.  Daniel, feel free to correct me if
> I am wrong.   Regarding the GIGA, one other point which comes up often
> is that the Dragonwave split solution (Airpair) allows only for very
> short (300 ft?) IF cable runs.  TrangoLINK-GIGA allows for 1000 ft of
> cable.
>
> As for Daniel's other points:
> -Products available now: TrangoLINK-GIGA 6, 11, 18, 23 GHz. APEX 18, 11
> GHz.  23 Ghz coming next month.
> -Power Consumption: TrangoLINK-APEX power consumption is lower than
> Horizon Compact High power version although higher than Horizon standard
> power version, which stands to reason.
> -Field Proven:  Latest releases of GIGA and APEX firmware highly stable.
> TrangoLINK-GIGA  has been in the field for  18 months now.
> -CLI/GUI:  You can do a full link setup using only the GUI interface on
> GIGA and APEX although admitedly the CLI has more functionality.  Our
> firware engineers will enhance this in future releases.  The CLI is very
> much like a Cisco interface and most users are very comfortable in the
> CLI.
> -LED Allignment - the allignment tool has received rave reviews from
> most installers.  One thing I'd like to mention is that our newer ODUs
> coming out, and all APEX models have built-in power detector in the ODU
> to make the RSSI readouts more responsive than in the earlier ODUs.  So
> the LED indicator that Daniel used on his nine-link deployment has
> improved greatly in that it is highly responsive. Daniel if you get a
> chance to do another allignment I am sure you will love the LED
> allignment tool on the newer radios.
> - APEX output power 3-8 dB better than Horizon compact standard model.
> Horizon HP version 2.5 dB better than APEX at higher modulations (better
> at lower modulation).
> - Trango 18 Ghz covers 17.7 GHz - 18.14 & 19.265 - 19.7 GHz.  This is
> 440 MHz of spectrum..  I dont know the DW spec on this, but I do know
> that I've never heard of a license being declined because there's not
> enough channels availble in the radio.
> - Daniel is the only one

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[John Seaman]

Just to clear up a few points...  Daniel's claim of number of Trango's
units shipped is WAY off.  He has no way of knowing what we have
shipped.  Trango is a private company and as such we dont divulge
specifics, but I can tell you that the actual shipments are FAR greater
and a very significant portion of the links shipped have gone outside
the US and as such you wont see them show up in the FCC database. Our
overall numbers of links shipped may be small compared to Ceragon and
the big guys but the product has gained widespread acceptance, traction
and is quickly gaining momentum.  Why else would our competitors be
acting so nervous?  Trango has firmly established itself with
TrangoLINK-GIGA and APEX in the WISP market.  Now we are also gaining
excellent traction with counties, states, cities, utilities, as well as
the US Military... These entities traditionally deploylargest quantities
of wireless backhaul sytems, compared to mobile operators who deploy by
far the most.  (although most mobile operator deployments are still
strictly TDM).  There is no stopping Trango.  We will continue to peck
away at Dragonwave's marketshare and gradually we'll be taking larger
and larger portions of it.  Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it
was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money
quarter-after-quarter.  Trango is, and has always been profitable.

I actually don't have a side-by side comparison of the two products
handy. We really should put one together.   Truth is there are many
similarities and also some key differences.  For those who may not be
aware, Trango offers two primary product lines:  TrangoLINK-GIGA and
TrangoLINK-APEX.  GIGA is our split architecture system which offers 4
GigE Ports (Dragonwave 1), 8 T1 ports (Dragonwave zero).  The APEX is
the all outdoor POE product which offers a GigE port as well as a
plug-in slot for a fiber SFP module. I have never been able to determine
how the Dragonwave optical option works...but I dont think it is
anything as simple as APEX (Daniel feel free to provide details).  Both
of the traffic ports (optical and GigE copper) on the APEX can be used
simultaneously.  GIGA and APEX both offer port priority and QoS
functionality as well as rapid port shutdown.  The multiple port option
allows users to completely segregate traffic from one port to the next.
Dragonwave does not have this feature.The APEX offers TRUE "Hitless"
ACM which is Adaptive Coding Modulation which means the system will move
to slower modulations without taking any hits.  I don't believe that
Horizon Compact offers hitless ACM.  Daniel, feel free to correct me if
I am wrong.   Regarding the GIGA, one other point which comes up often
is that the Dragonwave split solution (Airpair) allows only for very
short (300 ft?) IF cable runs.  TrangoLINK-GIGA allows for 1000 ft of
cable.  

As for Daniel's other points:
-Products available now: TrangoLINK-GIGA 6, 11, 18, 23 GHz. APEX 18, 11
GHz.  23 Ghz coming next month.
-Power Consumption: TrangoLINK-APEX power consumption is lower than
Horizon Compact High power version although higher than Horizon standard
power version, which stands to reason.
-Field Proven:  Latest releases of GIGA and APEX firmware highly stable.
TrangoLINK-GIGA  has been in the field for  18 months now.
-CLI/GUI:  You can do a full link setup using only the GUI interface on
GIGA and APEX although admitedly the CLI has more functionality.  Our
firware engineers will enhance this in future releases.  The CLI is very
much like a Cisco interface and most users are very comfortable in the
CLI.
-LED Allignment - the allignment tool has received rave reviews from
most installers.  One thing I'd like to mention is that our newer ODUs
coming out, and all APEX models have built-in power detector in the ODU
to make the RSSI readouts more responsive than in the earlier ODUs.  So
the LED indicator that Daniel used on his nine-link deployment has
improved greatly in that it is highly responsive. Daniel if you get a
chance to do another allignment I am sure you will love the LED
allignment tool on the newer radios.
- APEX output power 3-8 dB better than Horizon compact standard model.
Horizon HP version 2.5 dB better than APEX at higher modulations (better
at lower modulation).
- Trango 18 Ghz covers 17.7 GHz - 18.14 & 19.265 - 19.7 GHz.  This is
440 MHz of spectrum..  I dont know the DW spec on this, but I do know
that I've never heard of a license being declined because there's not
enough channels availble in the radio.
- Daniel is the only one I've heard of complaining about the waveguide
transition between he ODU and the antenna.  It requires four little
screws to put it in.  Not a big deal.  The only reason we don't attach
it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a
waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want to
connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so that it can be used with
any dish with a waveguide flange.
- Co

Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[os10rules]

What about the Mac OS? I has Linuxy goodness with lots of apps.

Greg

On Feb 11, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Virtualization.  Not only does it make things a lot easier to backup  
> and
> move.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Steve Barnes   
> wrote:
>
>> I would love to use Linux but being a PC retailer as well I don't  
>> want to
>> support multiple OS's.  Besides my bosses pet 12 year old  
>> accounting program
>> requires windows and barely runs in it.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> Executive Manager
>> PCS-WIN
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>> boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>>
>> I'll refrain from entering Linux vs. Windows.  ;-)
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:19 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>>
>>> Run Linux, no anti virus software...
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,  
>>> poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I like to use Avast.  It has a nice boot time scanner that will run
 before
 Windows loads anything.  It runs when scandisk would otherwise  
 run.  I
 don't
 think it's missed anything yet.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: "Steve Barnes" 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:14 PM
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

> Actually I really like the 2009 Norton Products.  It eats 10% of  
> the
> memory Norton 2008 did and kicks butt on finding stuff.  I've been
> giving
> AVG away and they called me and said that's a NO-NO besides that  
> makes
> no
> revenue stream.  I sold 20 copies last week and have had 2 of them
>> call
> and say that it has cleaned the malware Antivirus 2009 and the new
 variant
> Antivirus 360.  AVG and others have not been able to do that.
>
> Steve Barnes
> Executive Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ]
>> On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
> A better recommendation would be to switch from Norton.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:52 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
>> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for  
>> years to
>> do
>> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and  
>> the new
 2009
>> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it
 (windows)
>> that I might Try that you like.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> Executive Manager
>> PCS-WIN
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>>
>>

>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Josh Luthman]

Virtualization.  Not only does it make things a lot easier to backup and
move.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> I would love to use Linux but being a PC retailer as well I don't want to
> support multiple OS's.  Besides my bosses pet 12 year old accounting program
> requires windows and barely runs in it.
>
> Steve Barnes
> Executive Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
> I'll refrain from entering Linux vs. Windows.  ;-)
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
> > Run Linux, no anti virus software...
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > --- Henry Spencer
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I like to use Avast.  It has a nice boot time scanner that will run
> >> before
> >> Windows loads anything.  It runs when scandisk would otherwise run.  I
> >> don't
> >> think it's missed anything yet.
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:14 PM
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
> >>
> >> > Actually I really like the 2009 Norton Products.  It eats 10% of the
> >> > memory Norton 2008 did and kicks butt on finding stuff.  I've been
> >> > giving
> >> > AVG away and they called me and said that's a NO-NO besides that makes
> >> > no
> >> > revenue stream.  I sold 20 copies last week and have had 2 of them
> call
> >> > and say that it has cleaned the malware Antivirus 2009 and the new
> >> variant
> >> > Antivirus 360.  AVG and others have not been able to do that.
> >> >
> >> > Steve Barnes
> >> > Executive Manager
> >> > PCS-WIN
> >> > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM
> >> > To: WISPA General List
> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
> >> >
> >> > A better recommendation would be to switch from Norton.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -
> >> > Mike Hammett
> >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > From: "Steve Barnes" 
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:52 PM
> >> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> > Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
> >> >
> >> >> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to
> >> >> do
> >> >> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new
> >> 2009
> >> >> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it
> >> (windows)
> >> >> that I might Try that you like.
> >> >>
> >> >> Steve Barnes
> >> >> Executive Manager
> >> >> PCS-WIN
> >> >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Steve Barnes]

I would love to use Linux but being a PC retailer as well I don't want to 
support multiple OS's.  Besides my bosses pet 12 year old accounting program 
requires windows and barely runs in it.

Steve Barnes
Executive Manager
PCS-WIN
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

I'll refrain from entering Linux vs. Windows.  ;-)


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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--
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:19 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

> Run Linux, no anti virus software...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>> I like to use Avast.  It has a nice boot time scanner that will run 
>> before
>> Windows loads anything.  It runs when scandisk would otherwise run.  I
>> don't
>> think it's missed anything yet.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Steve Barnes" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:14 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>>
>> > Actually I really like the 2009 Norton Products.  It eats 10% of the
>> > memory Norton 2008 did and kicks butt on finding stuff.  I've been 
>> > giving
>> > AVG away and they called me and said that's a NO-NO besides that makes 
>> > no
>> > revenue stream.  I sold 20 copies last week and have had 2 of them call
>> > and say that it has cleaned the malware Antivirus 2009 and the new
>> variant
>> > Antivirus 360.  AVG and others have not been able to do that.
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > Executive Manager
>> > PCS-WIN
>> > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>> >
>> > A better recommendation would be to switch from Norton.
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > From: "Steve Barnes" 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:52 PM
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>> >
>> >> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to 
>> >> do
>> >> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new
>> 2009
>> >> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it
>> (windows)
>> >> that I might Try that you like.
>> >>
>> >> Steve Barnes
>> >> Executive Manager
>> >> PCS-WIN
>> >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
>> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[D. Ryan Spott]

Check your firewall logs... we can be +best+ buddies... (j/k)

As for antivirus, just use  or 


Pretty slick, in windows, it stays put in a small icon by the clock 
instead of the standard of AV now-a-days where they all scream:
LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!! I AM PROTECTING YOUR COMPUTER!!!
LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!! PAY ME A SUBSCRIPTION FEE!!!
LOOK LOOK! I BLOCKED YOUR OUTGOING MAIL RANDOMLY!!
CALL YOUR ISP, THEY SPEAK THE ENGRISH GOOD AND DONT CHARGE $5 A MINUTE!

Sigh.. Why do people put up with that garbage!

ryan

Josh Luthman wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> We can be nmap buddies!  Surprised someone else uses that for whitehat
> purposes =)
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:03 PM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:
>
>   
>> Ohh! nmap is by FAR the best!
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
>> 
>>> I would upgrade your AV before tossing AngryIP out.  =-)
>>> Give the windows port of nmap a go.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do
 
>> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009
>> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows)
>> that I might Try that you like.
>> 
 Steve Barnes
 Executive Manager
 PCS-WIN
 RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service




 
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Scott Reed]

l...@lan
http://www.lookatlan.com/

D. Ryan Spott wrote:
> Have you used the one in the Mtiks?
>
> ryan
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>   
>> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do 
>> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 
>> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows) 
>> that I might Try that you like.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> Executive Manager
>> PCS-WIN
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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> Internal Virus Database is out of date.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.17/1934 - Release Date: 2/4/2009 
> 8:24 AM
>
>   

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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Mike Hammett]

I'll refrain from entering Linux vs. Windows.  ;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:19 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

> Run Linux, no anti virus software...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>> I like to use Avast.  It has a nice boot time scanner that will run 
>> before
>> Windows loads anything.  It runs when scandisk would otherwise run.  I
>> don't
>> think it's missed anything yet.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Steve Barnes" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:14 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>>
>> > Actually I really like the 2009 Norton Products.  It eats 10% of the
>> > memory Norton 2008 did and kicks butt on finding stuff.  I've been 
>> > giving
>> > AVG away and they called me and said that's a NO-NO besides that makes 
>> > no
>> > revenue stream.  I sold 20 copies last week and have had 2 of them call
>> > and say that it has cleaned the malware Antivirus 2009 and the new
>> variant
>> > Antivirus 360.  AVG and others have not been able to do that.
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > Executive Manager
>> > PCS-WIN
>> > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>> >
>> > A better recommendation would be to switch from Norton.
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > From: "Steve Barnes" 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:52 PM
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>> >
>> >> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to 
>> >> do
>> >> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new
>> 2009
>> >> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it
>> (windows)
>> >> that I might Try that you like.
>> >>
>> >> Steve Barnes
>> >> Executive Manager
>> >> PCS-WIN
>> >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Josh Luthman]

Run Linux, no anti virus software...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I like to use Avast.  It has a nice boot time scanner that will run before
> Windows loads anything.  It runs when scandisk would otherwise run.  I
> don't
> think it's missed anything yet.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:14 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
> > Actually I really like the 2009 Norton Products.  It eats 10% of the
> > memory Norton 2008 did and kicks butt on finding stuff.  I've been giving
> > AVG away and they called me and said that's a NO-NO besides that makes no
> > revenue stream.  I sold 20 copies last week and have had 2 of them call
> > and say that it has cleaned the malware Antivirus 2009 and the new
> variant
> > Antivirus 360.  AVG and others have not been able to do that.
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > Executive Manager
> > PCS-WIN
> > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
> >
> > A better recommendation would be to switch from Norton.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > From: "Steve Barnes" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:52 PM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
> >
> >> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do
> >> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new
> 2009
> >> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it
> (windows)
> >> that I might Try that you like.
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes
> >> Executive Manager
> >> PCS-WIN
> >> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Mike Hammett]

I like to use Avast.  It has a nice boot time scanner that will run before 
Windows loads anything.  It runs when scandisk would otherwise run.  I don't 
think it's missed anything yet.


-
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--
From: "Steve Barnes" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:14 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

> Actually I really like the 2009 Norton Products.  It eats 10% of the 
> memory Norton 2008 did and kicks butt on finding stuff.  I've been giving 
> AVG away and they called me and said that's a NO-NO besides that makes no 
> revenue stream.  I sold 20 copies last week and have had 2 of them call 
> and say that it has cleaned the malware Antivirus 2009 and the new variant 
> Antivirus 360.  AVG and others have not been able to do that.
>
> Steve Barnes
> Executive Manager
> PCS-WIN
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
>
> A better recommendation would be to switch from Norton.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Steve Barnes" 
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> Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner
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>> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do
>> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009
>> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows)
>> that I might Try that you like.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Josh Luthman]

Ryan,

We can be nmap buddies!  Surprised someone else uses that for whitehat
purposes =)

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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:03 PM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:

> Ohh! nmap is by FAR the best!
>
> ryan
>
> jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
> > I would upgrade your AV before tossing AngryIP out.  =-)
> > Give the windows port of nmap a go.
> >
> > Steve Barnes wrote:
> >
> >> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do
> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009
> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows)
> that I might Try that you like.
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes
> >> Executive Manager
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Steve Barnes]

Actually I really like the 2009 Norton Products.  It eats 10% of the memory 
Norton 2008 did and kicks butt on finding stuff.  I've been giving AVG away and 
they called me and said that's a NO-NO besides that makes no revenue stream.  I 
sold 20 copies last week and have had 2 of them call and say that it has 
cleaned the malware Antivirus 2009 and the new variant Antivirus 360.  AVG and 
others have not been able to do that.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:06 PM
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A better recommendation would be to switch from Norton.


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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:52 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do 
> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 
> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows) 
> that I might Try that you like.
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Mike Hammett]

A better recommendation would be to switch from Norton.


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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:52 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do 
> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 
> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows) 
> that I might Try that you like.
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[D. Ryan Spott]

Ohh! nmap is by FAR the best!

ryan

jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
> I would upgrade your AV before tossing AngryIP out.  =-)
> Give the windows port of nmap a go.
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
>   
>> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do 
>> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 
>> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows) 
>> that I might Try that you like.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[jree...@18-30chat.net]

I would upgrade your AV before tossing AngryIP out.  =-)
Give the windows port of nmap a go.

Steve Barnes wrote:
> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do odds 
> and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 version 
> wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows) that I 
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Josh Luthman]

Win32...
NetScan
l...@lan

Mikrotik's ip-scan RULES

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> Have you used the one in the Mtiks?
>
> ryan
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
> > We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do
> odds and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009
> version wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows)
> that I might Try that you like.
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Re: [WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[D. Ryan Spott]

Have you used the one in the Mtiks?

ryan

Steve Barnes wrote:
> We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do odds 
> and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 version 
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[WISPA] Angry IP Scanner

[Steve Barnes]

We have used angry IPSCANNER for years around the office for years to do odds 
and ends IP scans.  Norton Anti-everything hates it and the new 2009 version 
wont let me exclude it.  Anybody have a program like it (windows) that I might 
Try that you like.

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[WISPA] Service in Mt. Carmel IL

[Martha Huizenga]

Hi all,

I got a service request from someone in Mt. Carmel IL. They said their 
friend has us and told them to go to accessusa.net - which is a domain I 
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Anyone serve this area? If so, contact me offlist and I'll give you her 
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Re: [WISPA] test

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I have noticed that some of my replies go directly to the sender instead of the 
list. I have caught it doing it when I click reply and in the "To:" box going 
to the original sender instead of "wirel...@wispa.org." Not sure if it is 
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Date:  Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:36:45 -0700

>And it went through.
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Mike Hammett]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States

Texas goes as high as 80 mph.


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--
From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:38 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

> I pass cops with laser (not radar) doing 80 mph when the speed limit is 65
> mph.  Many Interstates in other states are 75 mph.
>
> Josh Luthman
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>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Kevin Neal  wrote:
>
>> Any faster than 80 mph and you get stopped, then you just lost way more
>> time
>> than you would have gained from speeding.
>>
>> Kevin
>> Safelink Internet
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:15 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>> I thought it should go faster too.  ;-)
>>
>> I don't know what year Travis's truck is, but a variant of one of these
>> ought to help that 80 mph limitation.
>>
>> http://bankspower.com/products/show/43/3
>>
>>
>> -
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "RickG" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:16 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>> > I believe the 8mpg but 80mph?
>> > -RickG
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>> >> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our
>> >> sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
>> >>
>> >> Travis
>> >> Microserv
>> >>
>> >> Mark Nash wrote:
>> >>
>> >> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was
>> >> speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in
>> >> sick.  Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...
>> >>
>> >> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.
>> >>
>> >> ...I get 10 on a good day. :)
>> >>
>> >> Mark Nash
>> >> UnwiredWest
>> >> 78 Centennial Loop
>> >> Suite E
>> >> Eugene, OR 97401
>> >> 541-998-
>> >> 541-998-5599 fax
>> >> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
>> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> fyi, it's not a van...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sp
>> >> ort-Utility.jpeg
>> >>
>> >> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).
>> >> Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD
>> >> for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors,
>> >> air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever
>> >> had) etc.  It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the
>> >> standard version.  So when you get one make sure you look for the one
>> >> with the 3rd seat.
>> >>
>> >> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5f
>> >> Accessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_
>> >> odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>> >>
>> >> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>> >>
>> >> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of
>> >> them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>> >>
>> >> They have some of those on ebay too:
>> >> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%25
>> >> 7C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_tr
>> >> ksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>> >>
>> >> laters,
>> >> Marlon
>> >> (509) 982-2181
>> >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> >> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>> >> 1999!
>> >> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> >> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> >> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my
>> >> main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and
>> >> cold just do not mix.
>> >>
>> >> Josh Luthman
>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>> >> Suite 1337
>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>
>> >> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> >> --- Henry Spencer
>> >>
>> >>

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Josh Luthman]

I pass cops with laser (not radar) doing 80 mph when the speed limit is 65
mph.  Many Interstates in other states are 75 mph.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Kevin Neal  wrote:

> Any faster than 80 mph and you get stopped, then you just lost way more
> time
> than you would have gained from speeding.
>
> Kevin
> Safelink Internet
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:15 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
> I thought it should go faster too.  ;-)
>
> I don't know what year Travis's truck is, but a variant of one of these
> ought to help that 80 mph limitation.
>
> http://bankspower.com/products/show/43/3
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "RickG" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:16 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
> > I believe the 8mpg but 80mph?
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> >> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our
> >> sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
> >>
> >> Travis
> >> Microserv
> >>
> >> Mark Nash wrote:
> >>
> >> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was
> >> speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in
> >> sick.  Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...
> >>
> >> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.
> >>
> >> ...I get 10 on a good day. :)
> >>
> >> Mark Nash
> >> UnwiredWest
> >> 78 Centennial Loop
> >> Suite E
> >> Eugene, OR 97401
> >> 541-998-
> >> 541-998-5599 fax
> >> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> fyi, it's not a van...
> >>
> >> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sp
> >> ort-Utility.jpeg
> >>
> >> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).
> >> Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD
> >> for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors,
> >> air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever
> >> had) etc.  It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the
> >> standard version.  So when you get one make sure you look for the one
> >> with the 3rd seat.
> >>
> >> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5f
> >> Accessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_
> >> odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
> >>
> >> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
> >>
> >> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of
> >> them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
> >>
> >> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
> >>
> >> They have some of those on ebay too:
> >> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%25
> >> 7C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_tr
> >> ksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
> >>
> >> laters,
> >> Marlon
> >> (509) 982-2181
> >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> >> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
> >> 1999!
> >> o...@odessaoffice.com
> >> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> >> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my
> >> main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and
> >> cold just do not mix.
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> >> --- Henry Spencer
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> >> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
> >> I'm
> >> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
> >> totally loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no
> >> real flaws.
> >> I
> >> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't
> >> show up at first.
> >>
> >> The ladder sits on top nicely and is

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Kevin Neal]

Any faster than 80 mph and you get stopped, then you just lost way more time
than you would have gained from speeding.

Kevin
Safelink Internet


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

I thought it should go faster too.  ;-)

I don't know what year Travis's truck is, but a variant of one of these
ought to help that 80 mph limitation.

http://bankspower.com/products/show/43/3


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "RickG" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:16 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

> I believe the 8mpg but 80mph?
> -RickG
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our 
>> sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Mark Nash wrote:
>>
>> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was 
>> speeding across our valley here because one of our techs called in 
>> sick.  Had 4 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...
>>
>> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.
>>
>> ...I get 10 on a good day. :)
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> fyi, it's not a van...
>>
>> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sp
>> ort-Utility.jpeg
>>
>> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  
>> Had to settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD 
>> for the kids, heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, 
>> air ride suspension (this rig rides better than any car I've ever 
>> had) etc.  It's also nearly a foot and a half longer than the 
>> standard version.  So when you get one make sure you look for the one 
>> with the 3rd seat.
>>
>> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5f
>> Accessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_
>> odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>>
>> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>>
>> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of 
>> them, didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>>
>> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>>
>> They have some of those on ebay too:
>> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%25
>> 7C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_tr
>> ksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>>
>> laters,
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my 
>> main benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and 
>> cold just do not mix.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 < 
>> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
>> I'm
>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is 
>> totally loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no 
>> real flaws.
>> I
>> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't 
>> show up at first.
>>
>> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else 
>> sits well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the 
>> winter and cold in the summer.
>>
>> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>>
>> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
>> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>>
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Gino Villarini]

Hmm nice idea ... :-)


Anyone gave a list of the most popular sites? 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

We are in Baltimore and now have Sprint WiMax to compete against in the
residential market. Hearing a lot of people say how great it was, I
decided to check it out.
What I found was that they have prioritized nearly every major speed
test site.  Running tests to those sites show 4-6+ Mbps down and about
1.2-2Mbps up.  Running the same test to our speed test site yields only
512k or so.
 Web surfing feels like 512k as well.  Doing transfers to different
places doesn't match the speed test results either.

It seems like the only metric people use to determine how good of a
connection they have is to run speed tests.  While people in the know
would run iperfs and FTP transfers, everyone else just surfs to site and
clicks "check my speed."

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:

> Hmmm...sure sounds like you have an inordinate amount of service work 
> on your links
>
> I'm working on a response to your other post with a line item side by 
> side comparison between Dragonwave and Trango, but it will probably be

> tomorrow before it's posted.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> I have to run out into the field to work on a Bridgewave link (people 
> pay good money for that :-). I'll answer this tonight.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> 3-dB Networks
>
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a better idea someone compile a simple side-by-side 
> comparison of the Dragonwave vs. Trango 18ghz radios. List all the 
> benefits of each radio, and then also list the current price for a 
> "comparable" speed for each.
>
> I'm not familiar with the current Dragonwave product, so I will only 
> list the "benefits" of the Trango APEX system (of which I currently 
> have 3 running as our main backbone backhauls):
>
> (1) Radio mounted signal display for alignment
> (2) Optional fiber port (only have to buy the fiber module to plug in)
> (3) Various channel sizes (10, 20, 28, 40, 50, 80 mhz wide)
> (4) up to +20db power output
> (5) Jumbo packets via GigE
> (6) PoE (-48v)
> (7) In-band or out-of-band management
> (8) Separate GigE port for management
> (9) Rapid Port Shutdown
> (10) 1+1 redundancy (using a single antenna)
> (11) Dual power supplies (either PoE port can supply the power)
> (12) 2 year warranty standard (can be upgraded to 3 year, overnight 
> replacement for $2,000 per link)
> (13) Price (currently $9,995 with 2ft dishes and frequency
coordination.
> FCC
> fees are about $1,300 extra).
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>
> I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple 
> threads on this topic... I think it has been beat to death.  If you 
> want to talk about it offlist I'd be happy to.
>
> As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave

> and let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my 
> personal opinion is that you are not paying a premium for the 
> Dragonwave name... compared to what I would consider the benefits.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> All,
>
> When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% 
> premium for a Dragonwave product.
>
> There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a

> bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your 
> application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be 
> more than happy to walk you through everything.
>
> I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.
>
> -Jeff
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Brad Belton
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> Hello Daniel,
>
> Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much 
> better"?
> Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us expl

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[can...@believewireless.net]

We are in Baltimore and now have Sprint WiMax to compete against in the
residential market. Hearing a lot of people say how great it was, I decided
to check it out.
What I found was that they have prioritized nearly every major speed test
site.  Running tests to those sites show 4-6+ Mbps down and about 1.2-2Mbps
up.  Running the same test to our speed test site yields only 512k or so.
 Web surfing feels like 512k as well.  Doing transfers to different places
doesn't match the speed test results either.

It seems like the only metric people use to determine how good of a
connection they have is to run speed tests.  While people in the know would
run iperfs and FTP transfers, everyone else just surfs to site and clicks
"check my speed."

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Brad Belton  wrote:

> Hmmm...sure sounds like you have an inordinate amount of service work on
> your links
>
> I'm working on a response to your other post with a line item side by side
> comparison between Dragonwave and Trango, but it will probably be tomorrow
> before it's posted.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> I have to run out into the field to work on a Bridgewave link (people pay
> good money for that :-). I'll answer this tonight.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> 3-dB Networks
>
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a better idea someone compile a simple side-by-side comparison
> of
> the Dragonwave vs. Trango 18ghz radios. List all the benefits of each
> radio,
> and then also list the current price for a "comparable" speed for each.
>
> I'm not familiar with the current Dragonwave product, so I will only list
> the "benefits" of the Trango APEX system (of which I currently have 3
> running as our main backbone backhauls):
>
> (1) Radio mounted signal display for alignment
> (2) Optional fiber port (only have to buy the fiber module to plug in)
> (3) Various channel sizes (10, 20, 28, 40, 50, 80 mhz wide)
> (4) up to +20db power output
> (5) Jumbo packets via GigE
> (6) PoE (-48v)
> (7) In-band or out-of-band management
> (8) Separate GigE port for management
> (9) Rapid Port Shutdown
> (10) 1+1 redundancy (using a single antenna)
> (11) Dual power supplies (either PoE port can supply the power)
> (12) 2 year warranty standard (can be upgraded to 3 year, overnight
> replacement for $2,000 per link)
> (13) Price (currently $9,995 with 2ft dishes and frequency coordination.
> FCC
> fees are about $1,300 extra).
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
>
> I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads on
> this topic... I think it has been beat to death.  If you want to talk about
> it offlist I'd be happy to.
>
> As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave and
> let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal opinion
> is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name... compared to
> what I would consider the benefits.
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> All,
>
> When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
> for a Dragonwave product.
>
> There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a
> bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your
> application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be
> more than happy to walk you through everything.
>
> I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.
>
> -Jeff
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brad Belton
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
> Hello Daniel,
>
> Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much
> better"?
> Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
> Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
> case.
>
> Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
> products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we
> talking
> $5, $50, $500, $5000?
>
> Look forward to your responses.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> B

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Brad Belton]

Hmmm...sure sounds like you have an inordinate amount of service work on
your links

I'm working on a response to your other post with a line item side by side
comparison between Dragonwave and Trango, but it will probably be tomorrow
before it's posted.

Best,


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:43 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

I have to run out into the field to work on a Bridgewave link (people pay
good money for that :-). I'll answer this tonight.

 

Daniel White

3-dB Networks

http://www.3dbnetworks.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

 

Hi,

I have a better idea someone compile a simple side-by-side comparison of
the Dragonwave vs. Trango 18ghz radios. List all the benefits of each radio,
and then also list the current price for a "comparable" speed for each.

I'm not familiar with the current Dragonwave product, so I will only list
the "benefits" of the Trango APEX system (of which I currently have 3
running as our main backbone backhauls):

(1) Radio mounted signal display for alignment
(2) Optional fiber port (only have to buy the fiber module to plug in)
(3) Various channel sizes (10, 20, 28, 40, 50, 80 mhz wide)
(4) up to +20db power output
(5) Jumbo packets via GigE
(6) PoE (-48v)
(7) In-band or out-of-band management
(8) Separate GigE port for management
(9) Rapid Port Shutdown
(10) 1+1 redundancy (using a single antenna)
(11) Dual power supplies (either PoE port can supply the power)
(12) 2 year warranty standard (can be upgraded to 3 year, overnight
replacement for $2,000 per link)
(13) Price (currently $9,995 with 2ft dishes and frequency coordination. FCC
fees are about $1,300 extra). 

Travis
Microserv

3-dB Networks wrote: 

I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads on
this topic... I think it has been beat to death.  If you want to talk about
it offlist I'd be happy to.
 
As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave and
let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal opinion
is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name... compared to
what I would consider the benefits.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
 
All,
 
When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
for a Dragonwave product.
 
There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a
bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your
application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be
more than happy to walk you through everything.
 
I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.
 
-Jeff
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
 
Hello Daniel,
 
Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much
better"?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
case.
 
Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we
talking
$5, $50, $500, $5000?
 
Look forward to your responses.
 
Thank you,
 
 
Brad
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
 
Well...
 
I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be
surprised
how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance
is
much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).
 
We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.
 
Hit me offlist if you like.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
 
I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Mike Hammett]

I thought it should go faster too.  ;-)

I don't know what year Travis's truck is, but a variant of one of these 
ought to help that 80 mph limitation.

http://bankspower.com/products/show/43/3


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "RickG" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:16 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

> I believe the 8mpg but 80mph?
> -RickG
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our
>> sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Mark Nash wrote:
>>
>> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding
>> across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.  Had 4
>> appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...
>>
>> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.
>>
>> ...I get 10 on a good day. :)
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> fyi, it's not a van...
>>
>> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg
>>
>> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had
>> to
>> settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the
>> kids,
>> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
>> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly
>> a
>> foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one
>> make
>> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.
>>
>> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>>
>> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>>
>> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
>> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>>
>> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>>
>> They have some of those on ebay too:
>> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>>
>> laters,
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
>> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
>> do
>> not mix.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
>> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
>> I'm
>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
>> totally
>> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
>> I
>> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
>> up
>> at first.
>>
>> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else
>> sits
>> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter
>> and
>> cold in the summer.
>>
>> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>>
>> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
>> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>>
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
>> that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
>> to put al our stuff in.
>>
>> Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand n

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Mike Hammett]

You can still drive a hybrid...

http://www.internationaltrucks.com/portal/site/ITrucks/menuitem.a1d4a3932b46e05831f8e968121010a0/?vgnextoid=945d07aafbfe6110VgnVCM1085d0eb0aRCRD

UPS also has some of their trucks powered by International hybrid 
technology.  I think the one our local center had was getting over 40 mpg.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Mark Nash" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:15 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

> I always thought of buying a hybrid...
>
> ...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to 
> say
> that I take my hybrid everywhere I go...
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>> Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV:
>> "Buy a hybrid, I need your gas!"
>>
>> ryan
>>
>>
>> D. Ryan Spott
>> rsp...@cspott.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling
>>> our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Mark Nash wrote:

 LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was
 speeding
 across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.
 Had 4
 appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...

 ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.

 ...I get 10 on a good day. :)

 Mark Nash
 UnwiredWest
 78 Centennial Loop
 Suite E
 Eugene, OR 97401
 541-998-
 541-998-5599 fax
 http://www.unwiredwest.com
 - Original Message -
 From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle



> fyi, it's not a van...
>
> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg
>
> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's
> HAUL).  Had
> to
> settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for
> the
> kids,
> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride
> suspension
> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also
> nearly
> a
> foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get
> one
> make
> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>
> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>
> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of
> them,
> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>
> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>
> They have some of those on ebay too:
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>
> laters,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator
> since
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>
>> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven -
>> my main
>> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and
>> cold just
>> do
>> not mix.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
>> poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
>> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd
>>> seat.
>>> I'm
>>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
>>> totally
>>> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no
>>> real flaws.
>>> I
>>> did end up having to replace the radiator alread

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[3-dB Networks]

I have to run out into the field to work on a Bridgewave link (people pay
good money for that :-). I'll answer this tonight.

 

Daniel White

3-dB Networks

http://www.3dbnetworks.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

 

Hi,

I have a better idea someone compile a simple side-by-side comparison of
the Dragonwave vs. Trango 18ghz radios. List all the benefits of each radio,
and then also list the current price for a "comparable" speed for each.

I'm not familiar with the current Dragonwave product, so I will only list
the "benefits" of the Trango APEX system (of which I currently have 3
running as our main backbone backhauls):

(1) Radio mounted signal display for alignment
(2) Optional fiber port (only have to buy the fiber module to plug in)
(3) Various channel sizes (10, 20, 28, 40, 50, 80 mhz wide)
(4) up to +20db power output
(5) Jumbo packets via GigE
(6) PoE (-48v)
(7) In-band or out-of-band management
(8) Separate GigE port for management
(9) Rapid Port Shutdown
(10) 1+1 redundancy (using a single antenna)
(11) Dual power supplies (either PoE port can supply the power)
(12) 2 year warranty standard (can be upgraded to 3 year, overnight
replacement for $2,000 per link)
(13) Price (currently $9,995 with 2ft dishes and frequency coordination. FCC
fees are about $1,300 extra). 

Travis
Microserv

3-dB Networks wrote: 

I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads on
this topic... I think it has been beat to death.  If you want to talk about
it offlist I'd be happy to.
 
As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave and
let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal opinion
is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name... compared to
what I would consider the benefits.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
  

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
 
All,
 
When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
for a Dragonwave product.
 
There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a
bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your
application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be
more than happy to walk you through everything.
 
I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.
 
-Jeff
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
 
Hello Daniel,
 
Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much
better"?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
case.
 
Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we
talking
$5, $50, $500, $5000?
 
Look forward to your responses.
 
Thank you,
 
 
Brad
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
 
Well...
 
I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be
surprised
how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance
is
much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).
 
We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.
 
Hit me offlist if you like.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
 
I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!
 
Thanks,
_
/-\ ndrew
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[3-dB Networks]

Brad,

Go back through the list achieves... I think I have made my stance on why
Dragonwave is better in my opinion than Trango.  I've installed nine Trango
Giga links... so my opinion is based on my own personal experience... not
just the Dragonwave marketing material.  I didn't repost these comments
because many got tired of the whole Dragonwave/Trango battle on the list.  I
sent this to someone earlier though... I could come up with more reasons if
you wish... or just go back through the achieves.

- Volume of product sold - Dragonwave sold $50 million dollars worth of
equipment last year... by all reports Trango sold only 100 links or so.  It
is not unreasonable to think that Trango may not last in the market,
especially with them ditching their point to multi-point product.  

- Dragonwave 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, 23GHz, 24GHz, and 38GHz is all available
now.  

- Lower power consumption

- Field Proven - Firmware releases are stable... Trango has only been in the
field for about a year now, and firmware by many accounts is still buggy.

- CLI/GUI - Trango GUI is not useable, all commands must come from the CLI.
Often these commands are confusing to use.  Dragonwave can be configured
either way easily.

- LED Alignment/Voltmeter Alignment - LED Alignment on Trango gear is not as
accurate as voltmeter on Dragonwave... can make aligning difficult links
that much harder (since you only have two digits vs. four).  From my own
personal experience on this one. 

- Better link margins when using the High Power product

- Trango 18GHz equipment does not cover the full band... I can dig up the
e-mail I sent to the list about this.

- Dragonwave does not have a waveguide adapter between the dish and the
ODU... this caused a few problems on the massive Trango deployment I did (9
links)

The price difference is in the sub-$1k range.  I don't quote pricing on the
list unless it is an advertised special.  If you want a quote... hit me
offlist.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com

>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Brad Belton
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:06 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>Hello Daniel,
>
>Well, that is disappointing as I was hoping for more substance from you
>to
>back up your statements regarding "close" in price and "performance much
>better".  Instead you've chosen to throw a stone at a competing product
>and
>run the other way.
>
>I guess we'll have to chalk up your comments as all show and no go...
>
>Best,
>
>
>Brad
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:49 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads
>on
>this topic... I think it has been beat to death.  If you want to talk
>about
>it offlist I'd be happy to.
>
>As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave
>and
>let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal
>opinion
>is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name... compared
>to
>what I would consider the benefits.
>
>Daniel White
>3-dB Networks
>http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>
>>All,
>>
>>When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20%
>premium
>>for a Dragonwave product.
>>
>>There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a
>>bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your
>>application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be
>>more than happy to walk you through everything.
>>
>>I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.
>>
>>-Jeff
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Brad Belton
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
>>To: 'WISPA General List'
>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>
>>Hello Daniel,
>>
>>Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much
>>better"?
>>Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
>>Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
>>case.
>>
>>Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
>>products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we
>>talking
>>$5, $50, $500, $5000?
>>
>>Look forward to your responses.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>
>>
>>Brad
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
>>To: 'WISPA General Lis

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Jeff Ehman]

I'll get this posted later today.  Unbelievably busy this morning.  Give me 
some time.

-Jeff


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:40 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

I will second this, I would love to hear it!

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Isn't that the purpose of a public forum? :)

Travis
Microserv

Jeff Ehman wrote:
All,

When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
for a Dragonwave product.

There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a
bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your
application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be
more than happy to walk you through everything.

I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.

-Jeff

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Hello Daniel,

Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much
better"?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
case.

Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we
talking
$5, $50, $500, $5000?

Look forward to your responses.

Thank you,


Brad



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Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
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Well...

I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be
surprised
how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance
is
much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).

We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.

Hit me offlist if you like.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com



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Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!

Thanks,
_
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Cameron Kilton]

I will second this, I would love to hear it!
 
-Cameron
 
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:32 PM
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Isn't that the purpose of a public forum? :)

Travis
Microserv

Jeff Ehman wrote: 
All,
 
When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
for a Dragonwave product.
 
There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a
bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your
application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be
more than happy to walk you through everything.
 
I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.
 
-Jeff
 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
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Hello Daniel,
 
Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much
better"?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
case.
 
Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we
talking
$5, $50, $500, $5000?
 
Look forward to your responses.
 
Thank you,
 
 
Brad
 
 
 
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Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
 
Well...
 
I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be
surprised
how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance
is
much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).
 
We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.
 
Hit me offlist if you like.
 
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com
 
 
  
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Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
 
I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!
 
Thanks,
_
/-\ ndrew
 
 


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