Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies
I thought that next gen wireless had a different set of numbers defined. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "David E. Smith" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:38 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting HostedbyLeadGovernment Agencies > Rick Harnish wrote: > >> 2) Promote speed: The NTIA should establish speed guidelines and >> benchmarks >> and require grant applicants to detail actual -- not advertised -- >> network >> speeds, with priority given to next-generation projects. > > Did the language defining "next-generation" as 100Mbps down/20Mbps up > make it into the final bill? > > (If so, does anyone have any idea at all how to deliver "next-gen" > service wirelessly on the typical WISP budget? I'm somewhat doubtful, > but...) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer
Please let me know how you do that. We're interested for Sheriff's office repeaters. marlon - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: ; "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer > Eje, > > Why don't you look into stocking those fit-PC slim's? I'm going to look > into > getting some for sending audio-over-ethernet for some 2-way radio > purposes... > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:08 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer > > The matchbox pc is almost twice as large if I do not read the specs wrong. > 250ishx155x70some mm > Compared to 110x100x30mm for the fit-pc. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" > > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:02:06 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer > > > Pretty cool > > But I think he was trumped by the original! > > http://thydzik.com/matchboxPC/ > > grin > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Kurt Fankhauser" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:54 PM > Subject: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer > > >> Has anyone seen or used one of these? >> http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html >> >> >> >> I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer
I could look into doing that. That a small unit is "sexy". /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Kurt Fankhauser" Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:43:52 To: ; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Eje, Why don't you look into stocking those fit-PC slim's? I'm going to look into getting some for sending audio-over-ethernet for some 2-way radio purposes... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer The matchbox pc is almost twice as large if I do not read the specs wrong. 250ishx155x70some mm Compared to 110x100x30mm for the fit-pc. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:02:06 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Pretty cool But I think he was trumped by the original! http://thydzik.com/matchboxPC/ grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer > Has anyone seen or used one of these? > http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html > > > > I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW. > > > > > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer
Eje, Why don't you look into stocking those fit-PC slim's? I'm going to look into getting some for sending audio-over-ethernet for some 2-way radio purposes... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer The matchbox pc is almost twice as large if I do not read the specs wrong. 250ishx155x70some mm Compared to 110x100x30mm for the fit-pc. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:02:06 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Pretty cool But I think he was trumped by the original! http://thydzik.com/matchboxPC/ grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer > Has anyone seen or used one of these? > http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html > > > > I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW. > > > > > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer
The matchbox pc is almost twice as large if I do not read the specs wrong. 250ishx155x70some mm Compared to 110x100x30mm for the fit-pc. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:02:06 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer Pretty cool But I think he was trumped by the original! http://thydzik.com/matchboxPC/ grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer > Has anyone seen or used one of these? > http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html > > > > I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW. > > > > > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer
Pretty cool But I think he was trumped by the original! http://thydzik.com/matchboxPC/ grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] worlds smallest computer > Has anyone seen or used one of these? > http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html > > > > I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW. > > > > > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: More FYI -- Form 477 (DEADLINE is now MARCH 16)
fyi... Looks like we get a LITTLE bit more time to file. If you've not done it I suggest you do so this time. I'd not be at all surprised if all of that grant money weren't somehow guided to orgs that can prove a history of service already. Have fun! marlon - Original Message - From: "Ellen Burton" <> To: "Marlon K. Schafer" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 3:08 PM Subject: More FYI -- Form 477 (DEADLINE is now MARCH 16) Also FYI, here's a response we've been sending to general questions about the new Form 477 "census tract" requirements. * * * THE FILING DEADLINE HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO MONDAY, MARCH 16. * * * For more detailed information pertaining to the Form 477 census tract requirements, please see the Form 477 Census Tract Information webpage, http://www.fcc.gov/form477/censustracts.html. You have three methods for obtaining the needed Form 477 census tract data: 1) You can click on the following link which provides a useful resource for matching individual service-location addresses to census tracts on a case-by-case basis, http://www.ffiec.gov/Geocode/default.aspx. 2) You can use U.S. census tract outline maps to identify year-2000 census tract boundaries, http://ftp2.census.gov/plmap/pl_trt/. They are listed by state and then by county and can be viewed to the road/street level. 3) Vendors can help you geo-code addresses to census tracts, for example, http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/geo/vendors?A. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] worlds smallest computer
Has anyone seen or used one of these? http://www.fit-pc.com/new/fit-pc-slim-specificatios.html I found it on a ham radio website, all I have to say is WOW. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I need bandwidth in Guntersville AL
What for, that's my neck of the woods? On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: > > L3 / TWTelecom / Quest / Cogent etc any ideas on this area - I haven't > made any phone calls yet Thanks > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] I need bandwidth in Guntersville AL
L3 / TWTelecom / Quest / Cogent etc any ideas on this area - I haven't made any phone calls yet Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need Service
Does anyone on list service Redding CA? John Thomas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Friday History Humor
That was great Thanks Rick Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 2:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday History Humor Yesterday I was buying 2 large bags of Purina dog chow at Wal-Mart, for my dogs Winston, Chief, Gus, and Maximus. I was about to check out when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think, that I had an elephant? Since I had little else to do, on impulse, I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, and that I was starting the Purina Diet again, although I probably shouldn't because I ended up in the hospital last time. On the bright side though, I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of every hole in my body and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a perfect diet and that the way that it works is to load your pockets with Purina nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry and that the food is nutritionally complete so I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in the line was enthralled with my story by now.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care because the dog food had poisoned me. I told her no; I had stopped in the middle of the parking lot to lick my butt and a car hit me.. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack, he was laughing so hard! WAL-MART won't let me shop there anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies
Make sure the grant can go towards obtaining De Facto transfer lease of EBS spectrum. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: > Here are some bullet points from release by a "think tank" in DC. Some of > which are positive, some are negative concerning WISPs. I included this so > that everyone could see the other perspectives being lobbied to the NTIA > and > RUS. > > > > 1) Protect the open Internet: The NTIA and FCC should prohibit grant > recipients from selling any service that violates open Internet principles > and should require recipients to offer interconnection on a reasonable and > nondiscriminatory basis. > > > > 2) Promote speed: The NTIA should establish speed guidelines and benchmarks > and require grant applicants to detail actual -- not advertised -- network > speeds, with priority given to next-generation projects. > > > > 3) Provide clarity: The NTIA and FCC should adopt definitions of unserved > and underserved areas that are based on U.S. Census Bureau geographic > boundaries (either census blocks, block groups or tracts), and are informed > by new FCC broadband data. > > > > 4) Prevent waste: The NTIA should require grant applicants to provide > extensive documentation showing how their proposed project qualifies as a > new investment. > > > > 5) Gather information: The FCC should immediately initiate proceedings to > gather data and ideas to inform the national broadband strategy. > > > > 6) Focus resources: The NTIA should refocus the $350 million currently > allocated for state broadband mapping toward projects that work to > stimulate > broadband demand, because the FCC is already collecting this data. > > > > 7) Remove roadblocks: The RUS should eliminate current regulations that > restrict broadband upgrades, create barriers to new entrants and undermine > competition. > > > > 8) Ensure transparency: The NTIA and RUS should create a single, publicly > accessible online database that hosts all the information relevant to the > broadband projects funded by the Stimulus Act. > > > > Respectively, > > Rick > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Steve Smith > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:10 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted > byLead Government Agencies > > > > Since others have not responded to this yet, I will say that I know that > > WISPA will have at least one representative present in person at the > > meeting. > > > > I spoke with a RUS representative yesterday asking for more information on > > how they plan on dealing with the stimulus program. Their response was > > this: > > > > "Please follow our web site. Yes, we know it hasn't been updated in > weeks. > > We will be holding a joint meeting with NTIA on the 10th. After that we > > will post more information on the site. Yes, we know that the loan program > > information on our site doesn't work. You are still welcome to submit a > > request but since the forms are invalid it probably won't do any good until > > we issue new ones at some unknown date in the future. We are aware that > > that NTIA is holding meetings with groups starting March 2 but RUS is not > > prepared to do that. Please watch the web site for updates." > > > > > > NTIA gives the impression that they are far more organized than RUS > however, > > that may just be RUS feeling that the less information they give out the > > more likely they are to be able to direct the money to the people they > > prefer. > > > > > > > > Steve Smith > > Chase 3000 > > Imperial, NE 69033 > > st...@chase3000.com > > 308 882-3000 > > 308 883-3001 cell > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:14 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted > > byLead Government Agencies > > > > Is WISPA planning on being at this meeting? > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > > > > > Is there any chance we can get this meeting streamed Live? > > > > > > Steve Barnes > > > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > > Behalf Of Joe Miller > > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:02 PM > > > To: wireless@wispa.org > > > Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by > > Lead > > > Government Agencies > > > > > > To everyone keeping an eye on this: > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Lipman, Andrew D. > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Lipman, Andrew D. > > > > Subject: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead > > > > Government Agencies > > > > To: > > > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:17 PM The three principle > > > > agencies
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies
Rick Harnish wrote: > 2) Promote speed: The NTIA should establish speed guidelines and benchmarks > and require grant applicants to detail actual -- not advertised -- network > speeds, with priority given to next-generation projects. Did the language defining "next-generation" as 100Mbps down/20Mbps up make it into the final bill? (If so, does anyone have any idea at all how to deliver "next-gen" service wirelessly on the typical WISP budget? I'm somewhat doubtful, but...) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies
Here are some bullet points from release by a "think tank" in DC. Some of which are positive, some are negative concerning WISPs. I included this so that everyone could see the other perspectives being lobbied to the NTIA and RUS. 1) Protect the open Internet: The NTIA and FCC should prohibit grant recipients from selling any service that violates open Internet principles and should require recipients to offer interconnection on a reasonable and nondiscriminatory basis. 2) Promote speed: The NTIA should establish speed guidelines and benchmarks and require grant applicants to detail actual -- not advertised -- network speeds, with priority given to next-generation projects. 3) Provide clarity: The NTIA and FCC should adopt definitions of unserved and underserved areas that are based on U.S. Census Bureau geographic boundaries (either census blocks, block groups or tracts), and are informed by new FCC broadband data. 4) Prevent waste: The NTIA should require grant applicants to provide extensive documentation showing how their proposed project qualifies as a new investment. 5) Gather information: The FCC should immediately initiate proceedings to gather data and ideas to inform the national broadband strategy. 6) Focus resources: The NTIA should refocus the $350 million currently allocated for state broadband mapping toward projects that work to stimulate broadband demand, because the FCC is already collecting this data. 7) Remove roadblocks: The RUS should eliminate current regulations that restrict broadband upgrades, create barriers to new entrants and undermine competition. 8) Ensure transparency: The NTIA and RUS should create a single, publicly accessible online database that hosts all the information relevant to the broadband projects funded by the Stimulus Act. Respectively, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies Since others have not responded to this yet, I will say that I know that WISPA will have at least one representative present in person at the meeting. I spoke with a RUS representative yesterday asking for more information on how they plan on dealing with the stimulus program. Their response was this: "Please follow our web site. Yes, we know it hasn't been updated in weeks. We will be holding a joint meeting with NTIA on the 10th. After that we will post more information on the site. Yes, we know that the loan program information on our site doesn't work. You are still welcome to submit a request but since the forms are invalid it probably won't do any good until we issue new ones at some unknown date in the future. We are aware that that NTIA is holding meetings with groups starting March 2 but RUS is not prepared to do that. Please watch the web site for updates." NTIA gives the impression that they are far more organized than RUS however, that may just be RUS feeling that the less information they give out the more likely they are to be able to direct the money to the people they prefer. Steve Smith Chase 3000 Imperial, NE 69033 st...@chase3000.com 308 882-3000 308 883-3001 cell -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies Is WISPA planning on being at this meeting? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > Is there any chance we can get this meeting streamed Live? > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Joe Miller > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:02 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead > Government Agencies > > To everyone keeping an eye on this: > > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Lipman, Andrew D. wrote: > > > From: Lipman, Andrew D. > > Subject: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead > > Government Agencies > > To: > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:17 PM The three principle > > agencies responsible for awarding billions of dollars to the telecom > > industry -- NTIA, USDA, and the FCC -- will host a public meeting in > > D.C. to discuss the broadband initiatives funded by the economic > > stimulus legislation, including the new Broadband Technology > > Opportunities Program, the new Rural Development Broadband Program, > > and the development of a National Broadband Plan. > > > > The meeting will take p
Re: [WISPA] Friday History Humor
Yesterday I was buying 2 large bags of Purina dog chow at Wal-Mart, for my dogs Winston, Chief, Gus, and Maximus. I was about to check out when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think, that I had an elephant? Since I had little else to do, on impulse, I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, and that I was starting the Purina Diet again, although I probably shouldn't because I ended up in the hospital last time. On the bright side though, I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of every hole in my body and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a perfect diet and that the way that it works is to load your pockets with Purina nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry and that the food is nutritionally complete so I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in the line was enthralled with my story by now.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care because the dog food had poisoned me. I told her no; I had stopped in the middle of the parking lot to lick my butt and a car hit me.. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack, he was laughing so hard! WAL-MART won't let me shop there anymore. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Radwin
What are people's experiences with Radwin? Anyone use their new radio? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies
wtfover --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Steve Smith wrote: > From: Steve Smith > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted > byLead Government Agencies > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 11:10 AM > Since others have not responded to this yet, I will say that > I know that > WISPA will have at least one representative present in > person at the > meeting. > > I spoke with a RUS representative yesterday asking for more > information on > how they plan on dealing with the stimulus program. Their > response was > this: > > "Please follow our web site. Yes, we know it > hasn't been updated in weeks. > We will be holding a joint meeting with NTIA on the 10th. > After that we > will post more information on the site. Yes, we know that > the loan program > information on our site doesn't work. You are still > welcome to submit a > request but since the forms are invalid it probably > won't do any good until > we issue new ones at some unknown date in the future. We > are aware that > that NTIA is holding meetings with groups starting March 2 > but RUS is not > prepared to do that. Please watch the web site for > updates." > > > NTIA gives the impression that they are far more organized > than RUS however, > that may just be RUS feeling that the less information they > give out the > more likely they are to be able to direct the money to the > people they > prefer. > > > > Steve Smith > Chase 3000 > Imperial, NE 69033 > st...@chase3000.com > 308 882-3000 > 308 883-3001 cell > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:14 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public > Meeting Hosted > byLead Government Agencies > > Is WISPA planning on being at this meeting? > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve Barnes > wrote: > > > Is there any chance we can get this meeting streamed > Live? > > > > Steve Barnes > > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Joe Miller > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:02 PM > > To: wireless@wispa.org > > Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public > Meeting Hosted by > Lead > > Government Agencies > > > > To everyone keeping an eye on this: > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Lipman, Andrew D. > wrote: > > > > > From: Lipman, Andrew D. > > > > Subject: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting > Hosted by Lead > > > Government Agencies > > > To: > > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:17 PM The > three principle > > > agencies responsible for awarding billions of > dollars to the telecom > > > industry -- NTIA, USDA, and the FCC -- will host > a public meeting in > > > D.C. to discuss the broadband initiatives funded > by the economic > > > stimulus legislation, including the new Broadband > Technology > > > Opportunities Program, the new Rural Development > Broadband Program, > > > and the development of a National Broadband Plan. > > > > > > The meeting will take place on March 10 at the > U.S. > > > Department of Commerce. As seating will be > limited, the meeting will > > > also be broadcast over the web. The attached > announcement will appear > > > in the tomorrow's Federal Register. > > > > > > We will be attending the presentation to monitor > issues that could > > > impact the application process for those funds. > > > > > > Please contact either myself or Frank Lamancusa > (202-373-6812), if you > > > would like to discuss the opportunities that the > legislation can bring > > > to your company. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > Andrew D. Lipman > > > Partner, Practice Group Leader > > > T 202.373.6033 > > > F 202.373.6001 > > > andrew.lip...@bingham.com > > > > > > B I N G H A M > > > Bingham McCutchen LLP > > > 2020 K Street NW > > > Washington, DC 20006-1806 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == > > > Bingham McCutchen LLP Circular 230 Notice: To > ensure > > > compliance with IRS requirements, we inform you > that any U.S. federal > > > tax advice contained in this communication is not > intended or written > > > to be used, and cannot be used by any taxpayer, > for the purpose of > > > avoiding any federal tax penalties. Any legal > advice expressed in > > > this message is being delivered to you solely for > your use in > > > connection with the matters addressed herein and > may not be relied > > > upon by any other person or entity or used for > any other purpose > > > without our prior written consent. > > > > == > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISP
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies
Since others have not responded to this yet, I will say that I know that WISPA will have at least one representative present in person at the meeting. I spoke with a RUS representative yesterday asking for more information on how they plan on dealing with the stimulus program. Their response was this: "Please follow our web site. Yes, we know it hasn't been updated in weeks. We will be holding a joint meeting with NTIA on the 10th. After that we will post more information on the site. Yes, we know that the loan program information on our site doesn't work. You are still welcome to submit a request but since the forms are invalid it probably won't do any good until we issue new ones at some unknown date in the future. We are aware that that NTIA is holding meetings with groups starting March 2 but RUS is not prepared to do that. Please watch the web site for updates." NTIA gives the impression that they are far more organized than RUS however, that may just be RUS feeling that the less information they give out the more likely they are to be able to direct the money to the people they prefer. Steve Smith Chase 3000 Imperial, NE 69033 st...@chase3000.com 308 882-3000 308 883-3001 cell -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted byLead Government Agencies Is WISPA planning on being at this meeting? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > Is there any chance we can get this meeting streamed Live? > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Joe Miller > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:02 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead > Government Agencies > > To everyone keeping an eye on this: > > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Lipman, Andrew D. wrote: > > > From: Lipman, Andrew D. > > Subject: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead > > Government Agencies > > To: > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:17 PM The three principle > > agencies responsible for awarding billions of dollars to the telecom > > industry -- NTIA, USDA, and the FCC -- will host a public meeting in > > D.C. to discuss the broadband initiatives funded by the economic > > stimulus legislation, including the new Broadband Technology > > Opportunities Program, the new Rural Development Broadband Program, > > and the development of a National Broadband Plan. > > > > The meeting will take place on March 10 at the U.S. > > Department of Commerce. As seating will be limited, the meeting will > > also be broadcast over the web. The attached announcement will appear > > in the tomorrow's Federal Register. > > > > We will be attending the presentation to monitor issues that could > > impact the application process for those funds. > > > > Please contact either myself or Frank Lamancusa (202-373-6812), if you > > would like to discuss the opportunities that the legislation can bring > > to your company. > > > > Andy > > > > Andrew D. Lipman > > Partner, Practice Group Leader > > T 202.373.6033 > > F 202.373.6001 > > andrew.lip...@bingham.com > > > > B I N G H A M > > Bingham McCutchen LLP > > 2020 K Street NW > > Washington, DC 20006-1806 > > > > > > > > > == > > Bingham McCutchen LLP Circular 230 Notice: To ensure > > compliance with IRS requirements, we inform you that any U.S. federal > > tax advice contained in this communication is not intended or written > > to be used, and cannot be used by any taxpayer, for the purpose of > > avoiding any federal tax penalties. Any legal advice expressed in > > this message is being delivered to you solely for your use in > > connection with the matters addressed herein and may not be relied > > upon by any other person or entity or used for any other purpose > > without our prior written consent. > > == > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Victoria Missouri Rural Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wi
[WISPA] Economic Stimulus Funds Public meeting.
NTIA, USDA and FCC will hold a series of public meetings to discuss the broadband provisions in the economic stimulus bill. The first meeting, March 10 at NTIA headquarters in Washington, D.C., will focus on the broadband initiatives funded by the bill, including the new Broadband Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP) and the development of a national broadband plan. There will be a Webcast of the meeting and an archive will be available. As soon as I get the info, I'll post the link. Brent A Havens Internet and Data Services Supervisor Mark Twain Rural Telephone Company Mark Twain Communications Company WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Friday History Humor
After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, New York scientists found traces of copper wire dating back 100 years and came to the conclusion, that their ancestors already had a telephone network more than 100 years ago. Not to be outdone by the New Yorkers, in the weeks that followed, a California archaeologist dug to a depth of 200 feet, and shortly after, a story in the LA Times read: ' California archaeologists, finding traces of 200 year old copper wire, have concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech communications network a hundred years earlier than the New Yorkers.' One week later, The Des Moines Register, a local newspaper in Iowa, reported the following: After digging as deep as 300 feet in his flower garden in Storm Lake, Iowa, Jack Kooker, a self-taught archaeologist, reported that he found absolutely nothing. Jack has, therefore, concluded that 300 years ago, Iowa had already gone wireless. We Iowan's rest our case! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead Government Agencies
We will have someone there, probably either Steve Coran or Tom DeReggi. We are trying to schedule a private meeting with NTIA as well. There is some contention on whether they are taking private meetings or not. The first press releases said they were, but we saw one yesterday that said they weren't. This public meeting may be a replacement for private meetings. I should know more soon. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead Government Agencies Is WISPA planning on being at this meeting? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > Is there any chance we can get this meeting streamed Live? > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Joe Miller > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:02 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead > Government Agencies > > To everyone keeping an eye on this: > > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Lipman, Andrew D. wrote: > > > From: Lipman, Andrew D. > > Subject: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead > > Government Agencies > > To: > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:17 PM The three principle > > agencies responsible for awarding billions of dollars to the telecom > > industry -- NTIA, USDA, and the FCC -- will host a public meeting in > > D.C. to discuss the broadband initiatives funded by the economic > > stimulus legislation, including the new Broadband Technology > > Opportunities Program, the new Rural Development Broadband Program, > > and the development of a National Broadband Plan. > > > > The meeting will take place on March 10 at the U.S. > > Department of Commerce. As seating will be limited, the meeting will > > also be broadcast over the web. The attached announcement will appear > > in the tomorrow's Federal Register. > > > > We will be attending the presentation to monitor issues that could > > impact the application process for those funds. > > > > Please contact either myself or Frank Lamancusa (202-373-6812), if you > > would like to discuss the opportunities that the legislation can bring > > to your company. > > > > Andy > > > > Andrew D. Lipman > > Partner, Practice Group Leader > > T 202.373.6033 > > F 202.373.6001 > > andrew.lip...@bingham.com > > > > B I N G H A M > > Bingham McCutchen LLP > > 2020 K Street NW > > Washington, DC 20006-1806 > > > > > > > > > == > > Bingham McCutchen LLP Circular 230 Notice: To ensure > > compliance with IRS requirements, we inform you that any U.S. federal > > tax advice contained in this communication is not intended or written > > to be used, and cannot be used by any taxpayer, for the purpose of > > avoiding any federal tax penalties. Any legal advice expressed in > > this message is being delivered to you solely for your use in > > connection with the matters addressed herein and may not be relied > > upon by any other person or entity or used for any other purpose > > without our prior written consent. > > == > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Victoria Missouri Rural Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead Government Agencies
Is WISPA planning on being at this meeting? On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > Is there any chance we can get this meeting streamed Live? > > Steve Barnes > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Joe Miller > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:02 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Fw: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead > Government Agencies > > To everyone keeping an eye on this: > > > --- On Thu, 2/26/09, Lipman, Andrew D. wrote: > > > From: Lipman, Andrew D. > > Subject: Economic Stimulus Funds: Public Meeting Hosted by Lead > > Government Agencies > > To: > > Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 12:17 PM The three principle > > agencies responsible for awarding billions of dollars to the telecom > > industry -- NTIA, USDA, and the FCC -- will host a public meeting in > > D.C. to discuss the broadband initiatives funded by the economic > > stimulus legislation, including the new Broadband Technology > > Opportunities Program, the new Rural Development Broadband Program, > > and the development of a National Broadband Plan. > > > > The meeting will take place on March 10 at the U.S. > > Department of Commerce. As seating will be limited, the meeting will > > also be broadcast over the web. The attached announcement will appear > > in the tomorrow's Federal Register. > > > > We will be attending the presentation to monitor issues that could > > impact the application process for those funds. > > > > Please contact either myself or Frank Lamancusa (202-373-6812), if you > > would like to discuss the opportunities that the legislation can bring > > to your company. > > > > Andy > > > > Andrew D. Lipman > > Partner, Practice Group Leader > > T 202.373.6033 > > F 202.373.6001 > > andrew.lip...@bingham.com > > > > B I N G H A M > > Bingham McCutchen LLP > > 2020 K Street NW > > Washington, DC 20006-1806 > > > > > > > > > == > > Bingham McCutchen LLP Circular 230 Notice: To ensure > > compliance with IRS requirements, we inform you that any U.S. federal > > tax advice contained in this communication is not intended or written > > to be used, and cannot be used by any taxpayer, for the purpose of > > avoiding any federal tax penalties. Any legal advice expressed in > > this message is being delivered to you solely for your use in > > connection with the matters addressed herein and may not be relied > > upon by any other person or entity or used for any other purpose > > without our prior written consent. > > == > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Victoria Missouri Rural Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service to Tequesta, FL
If you can service this area, please hit me up offlist. Dylan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
