Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into "can't let this person tell anyone what we just did" mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Yes, because most people are afraid of getting caught for doing anything bad. What are they going to do, shoot you? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism So I'm curious what one would do if you saw someone there to "take down" your tower? Are you really going to drive there and confront someone that doesn't give a crap about doing illegal activities? Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: The fixed cameras were about $30/ea. The composite to IP box was about $50. The alarm system was about $200 when we put it in 5 years ago. Yeah, the PTZ was about $2000 for a good one, great zoom, enclosure w/ fan and heat. But the news uses it as a weathercam, so we got them to foot the bill - and we provide the IP. Jayson On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Wow too rich for my blood. That has to cost a few grand right there! On 9/4/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Absolutely. PTZ on the top, 2 fixed on the bottom pointing at parking area/fence gate. Motion sensor outdoors inside the fence area. Contact sensor on the door. Always a good idea. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Do you do those things? On 9/4/09, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: And the site owners didn't install alarms and video surveillance equipment because... Tom S. - Original Message - From: "jp" j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism http://www.elfpressoffice.org/ Someone's gotta be pretty shallow in the gene pool (or a complete crack head) to destroy a big tower with your person AT THE BASE OF THE TOWER! Where else (on the ground) would be a worse place to be with a tower coming down? I'd want to be out of the fall radius. On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 01:44:25PM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: fyi watch those towers! And don't forget to take the keys from any equipment left on site. marlon - Original Message - From: scottw...@verizon.net To: towert...@contesting.com Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism This link details recent vandalism against commercial antenna towers in Washington State http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,546561,00.html 73, Scott W3TX E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13200 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into "can't let this person tell anyone what we just did" mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some great photos
And the Wireless Internet antenna is a discone. Unity gain, omnidirectional. It looks more like a scanner antenna or multiband close comm antenna. At 10:31 PM 9/6/2009, you wrote: It should be clear, I posted that link with no thought to politics, it was simply to show our troops in action in a field that each one of us is a part of, or is very close to us. Please folks, lets not make it political. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some great photos
Along that same line...have you ever seen pictures/video of the construction of the Empire State Building? All those steel workers working, eating, even running on those 8 wide girders...without any safety equipment at all. That was 80 years ago or so. Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:35 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some great photos As they say a picture is worth a thousand words. I thought you were pointing out the irony / contrast between the pictures of the armed forces working with full harness and rigging fully tied to the tower, vs the local Iraqi's working without even a rope on the tower. :) Faisal Imtiaz -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Some great photos It should be clear, I posted that link with no thought to politics, it was simply to show our troops in action in a field that each one of us is a part of, or is very close to us. Please folks, lets not make it political. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Some great photos
*Just clearing up* My reply to the post was in no way political. The photos with the Iraqi's on the tower freaked me out because they have NO safety gear on what-so-ever. They are also only wearing tennis shoes. In my experience, they are very uncomfortable walking on metal edges in the metal yard... I can only imagine how they would feel on a tower. On another note... Do any of the armed forces sell off these towers? I know they sell off about everything else through govliquidation. I have not seen but two or three towers selling on there in two years of looking. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 22:31:01 -0500 It should be clear, I posted that link with no thought to politics, it was simply to show our troops in action in a field that each one of us is a part of, or is very close to us. Please folks, lets not make it political. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into "can't let this person tell anyone what we just did" mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into can't let this person tell anyone what we just did mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
Ok. This is getting political fast. I am sure there is something else more constructive to talk about gang. -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:53:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
I didn't realize that. Thank you for the update. I'll contact you off-list with any further questions that I have. Blair Davis wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into "can't let this person tell anyone what we just did" mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
All of this discussion points to the need for wide-angle megapixel CCTV cameras (not the $30 variety, sorry) and remote recording of everthing that happens, at at least 5 frames/second, once a motion-triggered event starts. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into can't let this person tell anyone what we just did mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
Hunting cam complete with .308 with remote trigger :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism All of this discussion points to the need for wide-angle megapixel CCTV cameras (not the $30 variety, sorry) and remote recording of everthing that happens, at at least 5 frames/second, once a motion-triggered event starts. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into can't let this person tell anyone what we just did mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
This is also the case in Colorado. I remember a couple years ago a guy came to the door of a couple's home, they opened the door and the guy showed them a knife. The wife beat the crap out of the guy with a baseball bat. He was DOA when the cops got there. She/they weren't charged at all. Jayson On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into can't let this person tell anyone what we just did mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
There's a difference between killing someone who shows you a weapon and threatens your life versus someone who commits a felony on some remote property. Hardly anyone (or any state) would deny you the ability to use lethal force to defend your life. That's a lot different from hunting down and killing someone who steals or destroys your property at a remote location and is not threatening your life. A remote crime against property should be handled by the local law enforcement authorities. At any rate, discussions about killing are off-topic for this list. I'd suggest that we all get back to work and stop bragging about killing people. jack Jayson Baker wrote: This is also the case in Colorado. I remember a couple years ago a guy came to the door of a couple's home, they opened the door and the guy showed them a knife. The wife beat the crap out of the guy with a baseball bat. He was DOA when the cops got there. She/they weren't charged at all. Jayson On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into "can't let this person tell anyone what we just did" mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
So if a drug dealer is doing a "deal" on your property (100 pounds of cocaine), you can shoot them? I highly doubt that. Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into "can't let this person tell anyone what we just did" mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
That's called self defense and has nothing to do with showing up while a felony is being committed and being able to "open fire". Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: This is also the case in Colorado. I remember a couple years ago a guy came to the door of a couple's home, they opened the door and the guy showed them a knife. The wife beat the crap out of the guy with a baseball bat. He was DOA when the cops got there. She/they weren't charged at all. Jayson On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into "can't let this person tell anyone what we just did" mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
What if you live in Texas? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: That's called self defense and has nothing to do with showing up while a felony is being committed and being able to open fire. Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: This is also the case in Colorado. I remember a couple years ago a guy came to the door of a couple's home, they opened the door and the guy showed them a knife. The wife beat the crap out of the guy with a baseball bat. He was DOA when the cops got there. She/they weren't charged at all. Jayson On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net the...@wmwisp.net wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into can't let this person tell anyone what we just did mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger -- WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
Thats different... If he was shoving a cup full down someones mouth then yes, feel free to kill at will... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 5:26 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing from GPS? I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+. The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so one could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that looks nice in a rack. Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
Dont know the price but this is sweet -- http://www.ntp-time-server.com/time-servers/server-gps-clock.html On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Jayson Bakerjay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing from GPS? I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+. The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so one could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that looks nice in a rack. Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism
. stop bragging about killing people. What a dopy comment. I haven't gathered anyone has bragged about killing someone. We get your stance Jack, so bottle it and stop trying to get the last word in and then suggest we all get back to work. FORT WORTH - An employee of a south-side roofing business shot a man he thought was a burglar late Wednesday, police said. The wounded man was in serious condition at John Peter Smith Hospital on Thursday, officials say. Officers went to Lon Smith Roofing, 904 E. Waggoman St., about 11:30 p.m. to investigate a report of a shooting, Sgt. Pedro Criado, a police spokesman, wrote in a news release. A company employee told them that he had responded to an alarm, and when he arrived, he saw a man coming out of the business with some stolen property, Criado wrote. The employee warned the man that he had a weapon and ordered him to stop, Criado wrote. The suspect reportedly charged the employee. The employee shot the suspect with one shot from a .38-caliber handgun, Criado wrote. The employee had a permit to carry a concealed weapon, and the case was under investigation Thursday, Criado said. It will be presented to a Tarrant County grand jury, which will determine whether it should go to trial. - Bill Miller http://www.star-telegram.com/metro_news/story/1565735.html Stories like this one are unfortunately common place around the country, but in some ways necessary. The more times people like this are stopped the less likely they will think to try it again at your place of business or home. From all preliminary accounts this employee is a hero and has been treated as such. Regardless of where you live it is impossible for law enforcement to be everywhere at all times. This in part why our founding fathers wrote the Second Amendment and why it is important to all law abiding citizens. Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 4:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Vandalism There's a difference between killing someone who shows you a weapon and threatens your life versus someone who commits a felony on some remote property. Hardly anyone (or any state) would deny you the ability to use lethal force to defend your life. That's a lot different from hunting down and killing someone who steals or destroys your property at a remote location and is not threatening your life. A remote crime against property should be handled by the local law enforcement authorities. At any rate, discussions about killing are off-topic for this list. I'd suggest that we all get back to work and stop bragging about killing people. jack Jayson Baker wrote: This is also the case in Colorado. I remember a couple years ago a guy came to the door of a couple's home, they opened the door and the guy showed them a knife. The wife beat the crap out of the guy with a baseball bat. He was DOA when the cops got there. She/they weren't charged at all. Jayson On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Then the defense lawyer states you can't prove that the victim (in this case) was committing any felonies. Also, what kind of felony can one do on another persons property? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Blair Davis mailto:the...@wmwisp.net the...@wmwisp.net wrote: In Michigan, since Oct06, it is quite legal to shoot someone committing or attempting to commit a felony on my property, (owned or leased). Jack Unger wrote: Go for it! Make holes in 'em! You'll make the sheriff, the judge, the jury, the media (and especially) the warden very, very happy people. Blair Davis wrote: I'll be en route, and if I catch them trying to bring my tower down, I will make holes in them. .45 caliber holes, 12 gauge holes, 20 gauge holes... whats mine is mine. Travis Johnson wrote: In my area... yes. Several Fish Game officers have been shot by hunters when they get caught poaching in the middle of nowhere. People get clubbed or shot at all the time when they are surprised by someone being there, and they go into can't let this person tell anyone what we just did mode. Is it really worth the confrontation over a tower? Maybe if you could take 10 other guys with you, but otherwise it's not worth it. By the time you get there, the tower will already be over. 15 seconds with an 18v milwaukee sawzall and a sharp blade will cut through a tower leg like butter. Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the
