Re: [WISPA] Preliminary analysis of BTOP/BIP applications
If it's a long flight they could burn some internet to a dual layer DVD. But I thought Bill Curtis already found the internet on the plane with his ATT netbook and the ATT G4 network??? I was SURE that's what he told me. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Preliminary analysis of BTOP/BIP applications Yeah for that much they could put the Internet on a disk and take it with them on the plane :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Sep 10, 2009, at 6:24 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: This: requesting $65M to deploy Inflight Internet service in the largely unserved U.S. airspace via Aircell's ATG commercial broadband network. Is absolutely ridiculous! mail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
Tranzeo Deliberant -Original Message- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
MT - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)
We run our own ALL Mikrotk WISP with several hundred clients. We have REAL WORLD deployments of N running 55 meg TCP! Etc, we sell what we use, not what is cheap etc. We have 5+ years of building complete CPE and APs that WE deploy! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?) MT - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
Depends what you mean by Vendor. Manufacturer or Reseller? As a reseller/distributor we built from the ground up a 7,500 subscriber WISP with over 130 tower sites (Mesa Networks located out of Frederick, CO). We only sell gear we have personally used and deployed, and know how it actually performs in the real world. It has been a year and a half since we sold our WISP, but we are still very active in the field deploying gear for our customers Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
Mikrotik, although they did say at MUM their WISP is much less a part of their business than it was. Ralph wrote: Tranzeo Deliberant -Original Message- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.91/2363 - Release Date: 09/11/09 09:15:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
We are a distributor/reseller we started out as a ISP turned WISP and still run our networks. We deploy what we sell and our techs have firsthand knowledge with the equipment and work closely with the manufacturers we represent to improve the products to work the best way. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
And remember, that ski town has a very low noise floor, so you sometimes get , 'well why doesn't a -88 work? Dah We use Star OS, so I need to duck now! Incoming! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) Tranzeo Deliberant -Original Message- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
Exactly... I'd argue having a manufacturer that keeps engineers in the field visiting WISP's and helping them solve their problems is more important than having a manufacturer that has a small WISP on the side (heck that could even be considered a distraction). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) And remember, that ski town has a very low noise floor, so you sometimes get , 'well why doesn't a -88 work? Dah We use Star OS, so I need to duck now! Incoming! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) Tranzeo Deliberant -Original Message- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
I don't buy into that model at all! Vendors need to focus on the product they are manufacturing and work with their customers to ensure that they are manufacturing what is needed and works as expected. While at first it seems like a good idea eventually trying to be everything to everyone causes a vendor to lose focus or divert resources in ways that normally would be used on product development. When I was in the development side of the house I had key customers whom I could trust with their knowledge and insight to deploy and guide our beta products so that a released product would performed as expected. If you try doing this as a vendor/deployment then you become too mi-optic in your views. IMHO Bret On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 09:27 -0700, Chuck Profito wrote: And remember, that ski town has a very low noise floor, so you sometimes get , 'well why doesn't a -88 work? Dah We use Star OS, so I need to duck now! Incoming! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) Tranzeo Deliberant -Original Message- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
Certainly, having engineers visit WISPs is important. I have appreciated visits from a couple vendors and I'm sure they have learned a lot too visiting various ISP customers. There is no replacement for this. I have seen some suggestions make it into products from multiple vendors we work with. I'm sure I wasn't alone in some of the suggestions. Unfortunately, many WISPs are not that advanced and can not adequately test that many features that some systems offer due to time or skill constraints. Most WISPs are learning as they go. I have one mature vendor who says nobody has asked those type of questions of them regarding a product I had just installed. Another vendor has some very cool features that we haven't figured out in 10 years of tinkering, but we are welcome to contact their engineers for advice in applying this to our situation. WISPs and manufacturers both run the gamut for their talents. This why lots of bad/strange stuff makes it past beta, and also why competent distributor/sellers can be of value. Actually doing WISP work could help the vendors better describe NLOS, the potential folly of customer installed CPE (zero truck roll deployment), total cost of installation issues, aesthetic issuse (think the original trango 900 gear (model 915 I think)), product integration with open source software for programming and management, support techniques, troubleshooting (ubnt bullets had a 30 sec delay for signal quality LED updates at first) , Software reliability (thinking MT's software might be better if they had to fly to site or climb a snowy mountain in the dark to fix a memory leak or ethernet driver) Then there's the issue of credibility improvement. Compared to cars again, All the big car execs fly around in gulfstreams or are chauferred. When one actualy drove a car they made to Washington DC during the bailouts it was big news. A laborer for the same company would also not drive a Porsche to work at a Ford/Chevy/Chrysler plant. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:38:17AM -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: Exactly... I'd argue having a manufacturer that keeps engineers in the field visiting WISP's and helping them solve their problems is more important than having a manufacturer that has a small WISP on the side (heck that could even be considered a distraction). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Profito Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) And remember, that ski town has a very low noise floor, so you sometimes get , 'well why doesn't a -88 work? Dah We use Star OS, so I need to duck now! Incoming! Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) Tranzeo Deliberant -Original Message- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
[WISPA] 2.4 Sectors (re-hash)
I put up some PacWireless 17dBi 90deg sectors and while I am pretty impressed with the performance, chatter on the list tells me we could have done better. What are your recommendations in the $400-500 category for 60 or 90 deg V Pol sectors for better performance? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Sectors (re-hash)
I've always loved the old Decibel Products sectors. Rock solid, and a very evenly distributed pattern. Marco On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: I put up some PacWireless 17dBi 90deg sectors and while I am pretty impressed with the performance, chatter on the list tells me we could have done better. What are your recommendations in the $400-500 category for 60 or 90 deg V Pol sectors for better performance? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2.4 Sectors (re-hash)
One thing I have noticed with our 120 degree Pac antennas is that signal strength VERY wide but don't go out very far. With customers north east, you expect to hear the north and east radios. In my recent example they were -65. On the ones close enough, I actually see the one pointed the opposite direction (labeled south for simplicity) at -85 or so. I will give it credit, though. The Trango AP (integral 60 degree antenna) seems to reach out as much as the 120 Pac in my situation. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I've always loved the old Decibel Products sectors. Rock solid, and a very evenly distributed pattern. Marco On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: I put up some PacWireless 17dBi 90deg sectors and while I am pretty impressed with the performance, chatter on the list tells me we could have done better. What are your recommendations in the $400-500 category for 60 or 90 deg V Pol sectors for better performance? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Just to add... New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Is this what you're talking about, Bob? The EX-6i-DS3-GigE http://www.exaltcom.com/EX-6i-DS3-GigE.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Just to add... New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Yep...I got that Exalt email too, but exactly how? Multiple channels? The email didn't include any details. Is it a true 1Gbps FDX or 500Mbps FDX? Not that 500Mbps at 6GHz is anything to sneeze at... Or is it VaporWare? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Just to add... New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Well, duh ...aggregation of multiple radios... We can all bond multiple radios to get to a certain speed. Just divide the total speed you need by 187Mbps and that's the number of radios/licenses you need. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Is this what you're talking about, Bob? The EX-6i-DS3-GigE http://www.exaltcom.com/EX-6i-DS3-GigE.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Just to add... New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Uh Duh. That's not how it is being done to my knowledge -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:27:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Well, duh ...aggregation of multiple radios... We can all bond multiple radios to get to a certain speed. Just divide the total speed you need by 187Mbps and that's the number of radios/licenses you need. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Is this what you're talking about, Bob? The EX-6i-DS3-GigE http://www.exaltcom.com/EX-6i-DS3-GigE.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Just to add... New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
187 mbps Per link For 1 gig youll need 6 links Is there rf room for 6 simultanious links in the same path? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Is this what you're talking about, Bob? The EX-6i-DS3-GigE http://www.exaltcom.com/EX-6i-DS3-GigE.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Just to add... New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Right, but the Exalt pitch is the radios bond within themselves. No outside equipment required. Bottom line is you'll likely need to be in a pretty remote area in order to be able to find multiple 6GHz channels available between two points. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Well, duh ...aggregation of multiple radios... We can all bond multiple radios to get to a certain speed. Just divide the total speed you need by 187Mbps and that's the number of radios/licenses you need. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Is this what you're talking about, Bob? The EX-6i-DS3-GigE http://www.exaltcom.com/EX-6i-DS3-GigE.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Just to add... New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Exalt says only up to four links can be bonded. So, it's similar to DragonWave's claim of GigE radios. Almost, but no cigar! Last I checked 800Mbps isn't 1000Mbps... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth 187 mbps Per link For 1 gig youll need 6 links Is there rf room for 6 simultanious links in the same path? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 11, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Is this what you're talking about, Bob? The EX-6i-DS3-GigE http://www.exaltcom.com/EX-6i-DS3-GigE.aspx Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:21 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Just to add... New Exalt equipment will provide up to 1 Gb throughput at 6 Ghz. FYI Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:14 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Hello Marco, In our neck of the woods 6Ghz is about all you can use at that distance. Typically 6GHz is only good for about 155-170Mbps, but I have read about some faster radios. Given 6GHz only gives you 30MHz channels I assume these faster 6GHz radios are using two 30MHz channels to reach beyond the 170Mbps ceiling. Problem you may run into at that point is finding two 6Ghz channels available in or near a market as large and noisy as DFW! If 160Mbps+ is enough bandwidth for you then I'd look at the Trango GigaLINK. So far all our licensed Trango gear has performed well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Fastest and Reliable are two conflicting variables, and question cant be accurately answered without defining expectations for atleast one of them. Big difference in distance between 99.9, 99.99 and 99.999%. As well, if you use the DUO product lines, you can actually bond up to 4 channels to increase the capacity by 4x, if channels are available and price is really no object. Any frequency other than 6Ghz, you'd have to drop down to 99.9 reliabilty, and accept slower modulations. Actually 18Ghz can do better than 11Ghz in some situations with low rain zone, because 18Ghz allows a bit wider channels and slightly higher power than 11Ghz. But 18Ghz rain loss is still significantly worse. The relevent question is whether its viable to put a half way point relay tower or not. Two 14 miles links in series drastically increases your options, compared to just having one long 28 miles link, which pretty much restricts you to 6Ghz and the 6 ft minimum dish requirement. But note that in your Greenville rain zone, w/ 6ft dish and HC190 - 29Mhz channel, the DW tool still only shows 99.91% reliabilty. This is why some have chosen to use expensive large channel Dual pol 5.8Ghz in remote environment that had the spectrum free. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
I've got fiber to my noc, but need a diverse path (and cheaper per meg bandwidth). Options: Build fiber to Dalllas, at 43 miles that's pretty expensive (443K). Buy/Lease Dark Fiber to Dallas (I know there is dark fiber in the trunk along I30, but I am having a hard time finding out who owns it) Set up Microwave links to Dallas. Since I own the towers between here and there, I can put very large dishes up 'cheap'. I can shorten the hop to 21 miles, but that is to a tower I lease space on, so the rent goes up. Any help with any of the above would be appreciated. Marco On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Fastest and Reliable are two conflicting variables, and question cant be accurately answered without defining expectations for atleast one of them. Big difference in distance between 99.9, 99.99 and 99.999%. As well, if you use the DUO product lines, you can actually bond up to 4 channels to increase the capacity by 4x, if channels are available and price is really no object. Any frequency other than 6Ghz, you'd have to drop down to 99.9 reliabilty, and accept slower modulations. Actually 18Ghz can do better than 11Ghz in some situations with low rain zone, because 18Ghz allows a bit wider channels and slightly higher power than 11Ghz. But 18Ghz rain loss is still significantly worse. The relevent question is whether its viable to put a half way point relay tower or not. Two 14 miles links in series drastically increases your options, compared to just having one long 28 miles link, which pretty much restricts you to 6Ghz and the 6 ft minimum dish requirement. But note that in your Greenville rain zone, w/ 6ft dish and HC190 - 29Mhz channel, the DW tool still only shows 99.91% reliabilty. This is why some have chosen to use expensive large channel Dual pol 5.8Ghz in remote environment that had the spectrum free. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:15 PM Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Horizon Duo 11GHz utilizing four channels would net you 1.2Gbps roughly I'd be happy to assist offlist with Path Calcs and quotes Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] wind jammer communications
During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. Does anyone know if it would be of any worth to see about acquiring windjammers existing infrastructure in the rural areas that they stopped using? Anyone actively doing this? I am not sure if it would be worth pursuing but seeing that the infrastructure is in place already, just a wild idea. John WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Oh and rumor has it Dragonwave is announcing a new product next week that might double that throughput... :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:27 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Horizon Duo 11GHz utilizing four channels would net you 1.2Gbps roughly I'd be happy to assist offlist with Path Calcs and quotes Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
We worked a deal out with the powercompany for back pole fees. It was hard because our power company is a public entity and there cannot be a discount because it would be a 'gift of public funds' to do so. if your pole owners are a private entity, then negotiations should be a little more fruit-full. ryan On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
So was your deal with the power company based on wind jammer infrastructure? Can you tell more about this deal? Did you use existing copper or replace with fiber or go hybrid? Off list if you prefer. The owners of the poles is the electric company. Thanks for any insight! John We worked a deal out with the powercompany for back pole fees. It was hard because our power company is a public entity and there cannot be a discount because it would be a 'gift of public funds' to do so. if your pole owners are a private entity, then negotiations should be a little more fruit-full. ryan On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
We took over the tower, scrapped what was left in the head end, and turned the cable on the poles over to a company that scrapped the cable. The electric companies really had no dog with us in the end - we acquired the assets of the companies, not the companies. We only bought them for the head end towers. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications So was your deal with the power company based on wind jammer infrastructure? Can you tell more about this deal? Did you use existing copper or replace with fiber or go hybrid? Off list if you prefer. The owners of the poles is the electric company. Thanks for any insight! John We worked a deal out with the powercompany for back pole fees. It was hard because our power company is a public entity and there cannot be a discount because it would be a 'gift of public funds' to do so. if your pole owners are a private entity, then negotiations should be a little more fruit-full. ryan On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online
My opinion is... I bet there are fewer overlaps than we expect, when broken down into smaller census blocks. But I bet that they'll pick the best one, and the others are out of luck. But ones with just a few overlapping areas, they'll likely ask the applicant to just remove those areas from their applications. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online I wonder how they are going to handle the areas that have 5-6 applications for last mile. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIP / BTOP Applications are online Thankfully I already knew about all of the applications in my area. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Is that 1.2 in each direction or a combined throughput of 1.2? On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Horizon Duo 11GHz utilizing four channels would net you 1.2Gbps roughly I'd be happy to assist offlist with Path Calcs and quotes Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth
Full Duplex... requires four 40MHz channels though Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth Is that 1.2 in each direction or a combined throughput of 1.2? On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:26 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Horizon Duo 11GHz utilizing four channels would net you 1.2Gbps roughly I'd be happy to assist offlist with Path Calcs and quotes Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:16 PM To: w...@part-15.org; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] licensed links / distance / bandwidth I'm wanting a licensed link to shoot 28.8 miles with clear Fresnel. If money is not an issue, what if the fastest reliable link I can put up? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
Patrick, Always great to see your list posts filled with good info. Responses inline... The E standard does enable use of diversity, but it comes at a high cost and is of limited benefit for rural operators. The truth is that diversity is designed to increase link budgets to support self-install. Can you clarify? Are you saying D Spec does not support Diversity? Or that most D vendors focusing on price chose not to include implementation of it? Even most Wifi chipsets supports diversity. My understanding was D supported diversity, because the early Pre-Wimax Aperto supported all types of Diversity. Please clarify. I'd like to add... I'd like to see more FIXED products support Diversity at the AP. Trials have shown that Polarity diversity yielded much better results than Spacial diversity for NLOS. BUT, that data does not consider spectrum availabilty and congestion. Many Metro deployments can't afford to waste a polarity, with limited spectrum and lots of noise, and forced to abandon the idea of Polarity diversity. Spacial Diversity at teh AP is an enhancement that can be used without any trade-off other than Colo fees if can't avoid paying colo per antenna. Actually in newer MIMO designs Spacial Diversity on its own showed signficant improvements in range. This could becaome even more important in 3.65 with few channels. Basically, each standard has its place, E is for people in 2.5 GHz doing self-install, like Clearwire, and we all know the low service (especially low upstream) packages offered in Clearwire's service. D is better and cheaper for rural fixed operators, and especially for public safety video type networks and definitely for voice-centric users. D is better for enterprise, where many users sit behind the CPE. E is better for roaming individual users with modest expectations. I'd agree. And I'd agree D is most appropriate for most WISPs. I think the biggest factor in deciding though isn't technology specs? People want to pick the technology with the longest life span. Many WISPs might prefer D, but are afraid D might be discontinued sooner, since the big dollar might have followed E. Just like is happening right now. I think the number one factor that will lead WISPs to pick D is acknowledgement that Vendors understand and see the long term potential and MArket for D, so we can be confident about our vendors. So far, I think the primary vendors have done a good job showing their supprot for D. The other number 1 barrier to WiMax is price, so once again many have chosen D for price reasons. But that is a fake benefit, because technically there is no reason that E product couldn't be sold just as Cheap if it came down to it. If anything, E has the potential to drop to lower prices, because of economy of scale and diverse use for WiMax chipsets. So what I'm saying is... Wimax E is killing themselves by pricing their products to high. Right now D has the potential to regain its market share because its price advantage. However, one good way for E to protect its market share is to try and influence the discontinuation of D. Thus important to support the continued development of D. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc We'd like to hear your opinions, and if you like to discuss this with us while at 4G World, please drop me a note. Regards, Patrick Leary Aperto Networks Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
I would imagine that's because their hardware and software business has exploded. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) Mikrotik, although they did say at MUM their WISP is much less a part of their business than it was. Ralph wrote: Tranzeo Deliberant -Original Message- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.91/2363 - Release Date: 09/11/09 09:15:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
