Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM
I do not know what frequency the first one is on, but the second one, AM and 160/80/40 Meters, covers from 535kHz to 7.3MHz. (AM is 535-1705kHz, 160 Meters is 1.8-2.0MHz, 80 Meters is 3.5-4.0MHz, and 40 Meters is 7.0-7.3MHz) That is all way lower than most, if not all, WISP equipment operates at. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Some more ideas... marlon - Original Message - From: larryjspamme...@teleport.com lar...@teleport.com To: Tower and HF antenna construction topics. towert...@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM A little over a year ago, my new neighbor put up a nice flagpole in his front yard, with some low-voltage spotlights controlled by a LV power supply with a photocell. Every evening, about sunset, 80 and 160 meters suddenly had a terrible noise level - I could even drive by his house listening to the AM broadcast band in the car and hear the racket. I took my portable FT-817 HF transceiver out with me while walking around, and found that the noise was indeed coming from his place. Once I found out exactly where all the noise was coming from, I took my AM portable radio over and showed the neighbor. and I covered/uncovered the photocell, turning on and off the noise along with the flagpole spotlights. When he saw what was happening, he told me to go ahead and unplug the supply completely (feeding the spotlights), and agreed to bury the LV wire instead of leaving it lying on the ground from the supply to the lights. Some of these LV supplies can make a huge amount of noise! Same with my laptop PC supply - I have to unplug the supply and run on batteries only, if I want to work 160/80/40 Meters while it's on. I've tried toroids on the supply line (input and output) and the phone line - no help at all. I hope that DXpeditions try their logging PCs and networks thoroughly before leaving on a big trip, otherwise, they may be logging by hand and manually entering the contacts into the PC log later, when they find out the PCs keep them from hearing weak signals. The noise I was picking up was on both an 80-Meter dipole, and a multiband vertical, several hundred feet from the noisy flagpole spotlights. LJ -Original Message- From: anthony k...@cox.net Sent: Jan 26, 2010 3:05 PM To: towert...@contesting.com Subject: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM Gene mentioned the ouside light. The light is a motion sensor type. When I turned the inside switch off the noise disappeared. YAAAY!! Thanks to everyone who helped me on this one. You guys are A#1. now I need to go to lowes and purchase a new non sensor type light. The sensor is great when you walk up to the door at night but my SW dxing takes presidence. 73s tony k2vi ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM
Yeah, but I think the point is that there are a lot of devices out there that splash well beyond the frequencies they are suppose to be in. I remember in the early 90's while developing some of the 802.11 original 2Mbps FH stuff that every day around lunch time we'd have an awful noise floor. Turned out to be the office microwaves that were not we'll shielded that well...after that I learned to stand rather far away from those microwave's when cooking my lunch :)! Bret Philip Dorr wrote: I do not know what frequency the first one is on, but the second one, AM and 160/80/40 Meters, covers from 535kHz to 7.3MHz. (AM is 535-1705kHz, 160 Meters is 1.8-2.0MHz, 80 Meters is 3.5-4.0MHz, and 40 Meters is 7.0-7.3MHz) That is all way lower than most, if not all, WISP equipment operates at. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Some more ideas... marlon - Original Message - From: "larryjspamme...@teleport.com" lar...@teleport.com To: "Tower and HF antenna construction topics." towert...@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM A little over a year ago, my new neighbor put up a nice flagpole in his front yard, with some low-voltage spotlights controlled by a LV power supply with a photocell. Every evening, about sunset, 80 and 160 meters suddenly had a terrible noise level - I could even drive by his house listening to the AM broadcast band in the car and hear the racket. I took my portable FT-817 HF transceiver out with me while walking around, and found that the noise was indeed coming from his place. Once I found out exactly where all the noise was coming from, I took my AM portable radio over and showed the neighbor. and I covered/uncovered the photocell, turning on and off the noise along with the flagpole spotlights. When he saw what was happening, he told me to go ahead and unplug the supply completely (feeding the spotlights), and agreed to bury the LV wire instead of leaving it lying on the ground from the supply to the lights. Some of these LV supplies can make a huge amount of noise! Same with my laptop PC supply - I have to unplug the supply and run on batteries only, if I want to work 160/80/40 Meters while it's on. I've tried toroids on the supply line (input and output) and the phone line - no help at all. I hope that DXpeditions try their logging PCs and networks thoroughly before leaving on a big trip, otherwise, they may be logging by hand and manually entering the contacts into the PC log later, when they find out the PCs keep them from hearing weak signals. The noise I was picking up was on both an 80-Meter dipole, and a multiband vertical, several hundred feet from the noisy flagpole spotlights. LJ -Original Message- From: anthony k...@cox.net Sent: Jan 26, 2010 3:05 PM To: towert...@contesting.com Subject: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM Gene mentioned the ouside light. The light is a motion sensor type. When I turned the inside switch off the noise disappeared. YAAAY!! Thanks to everyone who helped me on this one. You guys are A#1. now I need to go to lowes and purchase a new non sensor type light. The sensor is great when you walk up to the door at night but my SW dxing takes presidence. 73s tony k2vi ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo
Resellers are a little bit more expensive actually and all of them don't have fiber already ran. It's ridiculous the cost we pay. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo We buy ours through a reseller, and they have quoted us $1000/month for Gig at Hurricane Electric in Fremont CA. John Mike Hammett wrote: I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if GigE connections were under $1 now. I know a couple companies were at $1. Bandwidth pricing is the inverse of real estate pricing. Downtown Chicago, a sq.ft. of land could buy you hundreds of acres in Montana. A single meg in Montana could buy you hundreds of megs (or a couple gigs) in Chicago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo 50Mbit for $450 a month isn't bad for a pipe to ATT. We're paying 10x that from ATT right now. $0.90? come on give me a break. If that's possible then we should sue ATT for highway robbery. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo Did you mean $9/meg or $0.90/meg? $9/meg isn't much to write home about. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo Yup. If you are at an on-net building you can get it even cheaper. One client is buying for $9 a meg in bulk in Chicago. Their biggest hurdle are peering agreements with the big boys. The ATt¹s of the world are sort of tolerating them at the moment until they can figure out what to do. They tried de-peering with them a few years ago and there was an outcry. Lots of web-sites are hosted on cogent bandwidth. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://www.mtin.net - Homepage http://www.mtin.net/blog - Technical Blog XISP solutions Hosting Consulting Tower Climbing From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:33:16 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo I hear $1500 for a gig! On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I wish I was a bit closer to a POP to take advantage of it, but my Cogent rep informed me that through the end of the month, they have a promo going $400/100 megabit 1 year contract. Only available at Cogent and carrier neutral data centers. These facilities are listed on their web site under the network heading. A complete building list (and not eligible for this promo) is available in the service locator under Dedicated Internet access. Not all of their host buildings allow roof access, but I believe a significant number of them do. I encourage you to build your network out to these facilities. Sure, someone's going to hop on here and complain about how horrible Cogent is, but every carrier has their good and bad spots. I'm sure I could find someone to honestly say the same things about ATT, VZB, Level3, InterNAP, XO, MZima, etc., etc. It doesn't matter the carrier, I strongly encourage you to have more than one. Feel free to blast the list with questions about building your network to Cogent, routing policies to best combine Cogent and your existing provider, etc. These things would apply to any carrier, not just Cogent. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM
Yep. But I've heard of WISP power supplies causing interference on VHF two way radios too. Just pointing out the strange things that can happen when RF is involved. Hoping to help someone out marlon - Original Message - From: Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM I do not know what frequency the first one is on, but the second one, AM and 160/80/40 Meters, covers from 535kHz to 7.3MHz. (AM is 535-1705kHz, 160 Meters is 1.8-2.0MHz, 80 Meters is 3.5-4.0MHz, and 40 Meters is 7.0-7.3MHz) That is all way lower than most, if not all, WISP equipment operates at. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Some more ideas... marlon - Original Message - From: larryjspamme...@teleport.com lar...@teleport.com To: Tower and HF antenna construction topics. towert...@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM A little over a year ago, my new neighbor put up a nice flagpole in his front yard, with some low-voltage spotlights controlled by a LV power supply with a photocell. Every evening, about sunset, 80 and 160 meters suddenly had a terrible noise level - I could even drive by his house listening to the AM broadcast band in the car and hear the racket. I took my portable FT-817 HF transceiver out with me while walking around, and found that the noise was indeed coming from his place. Once I found out exactly where all the noise was coming from, I took my AM portable radio over and showed the neighbor. and I covered/uncovered the photocell, turning on and off the noise along with the flagpole spotlights. When he saw what was happening, he told me to go ahead and unplug the supply completely (feeding the spotlights), and agreed to bury the LV wire instead of leaving it lying on the ground from the supply to the lights. Some of these LV supplies can make a huge amount of noise! Same with my laptop PC supply - I have to unplug the supply and run on batteries only, if I want to work 160/80/40 Meters while it's on. I've tried toroids on the supply line (input and output) and the phone line - no help at all. I hope that DXpeditions try their logging PCs and networks thoroughly before leaving on a big trip, otherwise, they may be logging by hand and manually entering the contacts into the PC log later, when they find out the PCs keep them from hearing weak signals. The noise I was picking up was on both an 80-Meter dipole, and a multiband vertical, several hundred feet from the noisy flagpole spotlights. LJ -Original Message- From: anthony k...@cox.net Sent: Jan 26, 2010 3:05 PM To: towert...@contesting.com Subject: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM Gene mentioned the ouside light. The light is a motion sensor type. When I turned the inside switch off the noise disappeared. YAAAY!! Thanks to everyone who helped me on this one. You guys are A#1. now I need to go to lowes and purchase a new non sensor type light. The sensor is great when you walk up to the door at night but my SW dxing takes presidence. 73s tony k2vi ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo
Most resellers are cheaper, some even 50% cheaper. They achieve this by buying say 300 gigs worth of traffic (getting a great rate), then splitting the difference between that rate and the carrier's retail rate. They don't have any gear, they just tell the carrier to hook up a new port at X, which is really your equipment. Once they have their own equipment, perform their own routing decisions, they're not merely a reseller anymore. Their gear, route, routing, etc. make a unique product. It's 15 miles from your home base to 3 buildings where you can obtain $4/megabit, and your network is 25 miles across. Some of those have over 15 carriers in them. I can put you in touch my with Cogent rep to explore the options for getting roof space at one of these facilities to beam that signal out. As Matt Larsen has been talking about, he built out 125 miles of backhaul to connect his network back to civilization. Others have even further to go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:19 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo Resellers are a little bit more expensive actually and all of them don't have fiber already ran. It's ridiculous the cost we pay. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo We buy ours through a reseller, and they have quoted us $1000/month for Gig at Hurricane Electric in Fremont CA. John Mike Hammett wrote: I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if GigE connections were under $1 now. I know a couple companies were at $1. Bandwidth pricing is the inverse of real estate pricing. Downtown Chicago, a sq.ft. of land could buy you hundreds of acres in Montana. A single meg in Montana could buy you hundreds of megs (or a couple gigs) in Chicago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo 50Mbit for $450 a month isn't bad for a pipe to ATT. We're paying 10x that from ATT right now. $0.90? come on give me a break. If that's possible then we should sue ATT for highway robbery. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo Did you mean $9/meg or $0.90/meg? $9/meg isn't much to write home about. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo Yup. If you are at an on-net building you can get it even cheaper. One client is buying for $9 a meg in bulk in Chicago. Their biggest hurdle are peering agreements with the big boys. The ATt¹s of the world are sort of tolerating them at the moment until they can figure out what to do. They tried de-peering with them a few years ago and there was an outcry. Lots of web-sites are hosted on cogent bandwidth. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://www.mtin.net - Homepage http://www.mtin.net/blog - Technical Blog XISP solutions Hosting Consulting Tower Climbing From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:33:16 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo I hear $1500 for a gig! On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I wish I was a bit closer to a POP to take advantage of it, but my Cogent rep informed me that through the end of the month, they have a promo going $400/100 megabit 1 year contract. Only available at Cogent and carrier neutral data centers. These facilities are listed on their web site under the network heading. A complete building list (and not eligible for this promo) is available in the service locator under Dedicated Internet access. Not all of their host buildings allow roof access, but I believe a significant number of them do. I encourage you to build your network out to these facilities. Sure, someone's going to hop on here and complain about how horrible Cogent is, but every carrier has their good and bad spots. I'm sure I
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 09:42:09AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: As Matt Larsen has been talking about, he built out 125 miles of backhaul to connect his network back to civilization. Others have even further to go. - Mike Hammett Looks like we'd have to go across three states to get to a Cogent facility. Five states to get to Hurricane Electric. Colocation at their datacenter would be a pittance compared to the backhaul costs. -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo
Yeah, there's not much in Maine. It's not between anywhere big on the Internet, so there's no need for the cables to go through there. It is only 50% longer than Matt Larsen did 5 - 10 years ago. I think Travis may even have single links further than that. (This last bit meant jokingly.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 09:42:09AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: As Matt Larsen has been talking about, he built out 125 miles of backhaul to connect his network back to civilization. Others have even further to go. - Mike Hammett Looks like we'd have to go across three states to get to a Cogent facility. Five states to get to Hurricane Electric. Colocation at their datacenter would be a pittance compared to the backhaul costs. -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 8 of 8 now online
The final installment of The Story of Medicine Bow is now online at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/.This summarizes the final impact of the project three months later. Thanks to all of you who have been reading it! Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo
Plus they want to oversell this cheap bandwidth. They don¹t want you to max out that Gig circuit. Allows them to oversell their bandwidth that much more. -- John, You are correct, Gig is starting to go for $1-$2 per mb. Not only from Hurricaine, although Hurricaine is clearly a disruptive force leader today. Hurricaine is doing a big marketing push with Equinix, which I think is really helping them expand both in market share and quality of peering. Having to buy Gig quantity to get a discount is no longer a disadvantage when it is 10x less per mb than 100mb quantity :-) The problem is that nobody (End user customers) needs a Gig. So providers dont want to sell you a gig in remote buildings where there are customers that you can resell to, or they under cut themselves. They also cant do it in buildings where they have to buy/lease the fiber from someone else, without multiple customers to share it. It has to be from a place that they already cost justified the Dark fiber purchase. Cost is still all about transport, getting into the colo. image.png WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo
Funny. Nice to have a reality check from Rural America. :-) Looks like a BTOP/BIP middle mile grant is needed to your town.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 09:42:09AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: As Matt Larsen has been talking about, he built out 125 miles of backhaul to connect his network back to civilization. Others have even further to go. - Mike Hammett Looks like we'd have to go across three states to get to a Cogent facility. Five states to get to Hurricane Electric. Colocation at their datacenter would be a pittance compared to the backhaul costs. -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 8 of 8 now online
Matt, I wanted to once again offer my praise for your fine 8 part story. Finally, a read that reflects the true essance of what the WISP industry is all about. We might not get broadband to the remaining 24 million unserved American homes overnight. But our Industry really does make an impact at 1-50 homes one day at a time. We have 2 million subs to prove it. I've always said, we can do it alone if we have to, but we could do so much more with just a LITTLE help. I dont think many regulators really understand what that means yet, a little help. I expecially like your closing paragraphs that spells it out Something similar to Guarantees for a lot of $10k projects would go a lot further, than these few $multi-million projects. I personally think your story deserves to be picked up by a major magazine or newspaper. In my opinion, every individual in government policy should read it, before they pass judgement on our industry. I think the fact that your story is told from the perspective of rural America will help people more easilly visualize the issues. But the reality is there are a lot of Urban and Suburban Cowboys out there to. Although the challenge are a bit different, they have similar impact. But some of the most important points apply to us all. For example, the fact that WISP's effort are so quickly discounted as second best early in the process, but at the end of the day, we have a lot to offer and the ones comming to the table with a real solution. A small town is relevent to us, so we get it done. I hope everyone passes the link around. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: Mikrotik discussions mikro...@mail.butchevans.com; Motorola Canopy User Group motorola-us...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Telecom Regulation the Internet cyberteleco...@listserv.aol.com; nnsq...@nnsquad.org; ip i...@v2.listbox.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:19 AM Subject: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 8 of 8 now online The final installment of The Story of Medicine Bow is now online at http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/.This summarizes the final impact of the project three months later. Thanks to all of you who have been reading it! Matt Larsen Vistabeam.com Wirelesscowboys.com wispdirectory.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 8 of 8 now online
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:09, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: We have 2 million subs to prove it. I've heard this number bandied around a lot, including in some WISPA FCC filings. Anyone know the source of the 2 million number? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Side Mount to Wooden Utility Pole?
For all serious pole mounts, I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=search_resultssearch=TCHM1 This would be for a micro-pop however, not for a home pole install. I put a 10 foot 2 schedule 80 into these and out the top of the pole for dish/panel install. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 5:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Side Mount to Wooden Utility Pole? Mike has used some decent looking chain mounts. Hey Mike, any suggestions??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Side Mount to Wooden Utility Pole? I just use good lag screws on the standard (or long) sat arms most of the time. marlon - Original Message - From: AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] Side Mount to Wooden Utility Pole? Anyone have any detailed photos or ideas for side mounting to a wooden utility pole? We have a site that will only allow side mounting at about 35' AGL on a wooden utility pole. I considered building a stand off bracket out of Unistrut and mounting it directly through the hole with galvanized hardware but it seems a bit overkill for a single omni. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 8 of 8 now online
AFAIK, it's out of thin air. A bunch of people believe the WISP industry is much larger than the form 477 indicates. I would agree with them knowing how many people A) ignore the form 477 requirement, B) never even heard of 477. I believe form 477 indicates fewer fixed wireless subscribers than JAB Wireless has alone. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Story of Medicine Bow Part 8 of 8 now online On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:09, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: We have 2 million subs to prove it. I've heard this number bandied around a lot, including in some WISPA FCC filings. Anyone know the source of the 2 million number? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Syslog
Does anyone know if MT sends out syslog information on TCP or UDP? I know it's port 514. I've figured out how to have rsyslog listen to UDP 514, but not TCP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:05 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Syslog I'm looking to setup a syslog server. Like most things open source, there's a whole bunch of projects that sound great, but have been abandoned for years. I'm looking for a setup that's hopefully backed by MySQL. I'd like a GUI of some sort as I really detest the CLI for most things. It looks like syslog-ng is the way to go, but the GUI part is difficult to figure out. oh, and Linux based. Looking to run this in an OpenVZ container. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Syslog
Syslog is udp by default. This is what MikroTik expects it to be. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Syslog Does anyone know if MT sends out syslog information on TCP or UDP? I know it's port 514. I've figured out how to have rsyslog listen to UDP 514, but not TCP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:05 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Syslog I'm looking to setup a syslog server. Like most things open source, there's a whole bunch of projects that sound great, but have been abandoned for years. I'm looking for a setup that's hopefully backed by MySQL. I'd like a GUI of some sort as I really detest the CLI for most things. It looks like syslog-ng is the way to go, but the GUI part is difficult to figure out. oh, and Linux based. Looking to run this in an OpenVZ container. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can anyone recommend a 5GHz grid antenna for UBNT forBullet M5HP
Cool! I've got several places to put them on my network. Thanks! -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Workin' on it, dude. Being delivered Thursday. Already have 2 customers in line for install with them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can anyone recommend a 5GHz grid antenna for UBNT forBullet M5HP I want feedback on those! On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: They have the AirGrid now. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Can anyone recommend a 5GHz grid antenna for UBNT forBullet M5HP Just looking to see what everyone else is using. I'm in the test phase of a 5.8Ghz AP roll out. TIA Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM
Great stuff Marlon! Thanks! -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Thought this exchange might be of interest. This is from a HAM list, but strange things happen to us from time to time too. marlon - Original Message - From: anthony k...@cox.net To: towert...@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:05 PM Subject: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM Gene mentioned the ouside light. The light is a motion sensor type. When I turned the inside switch off the noise disappeared. YAAAY!! Thanks to everyone who helped me on this one. You guys are A#1. now I need to go to lowes and purchase a new non sensor type light. The sensor is great when you walk up to the door at night but my SW dxing takes presidence. 73s tony k2vi ___ Im sorry...A bit off topic but im at my wits end. Im getting heavy buzzing noise in the broadcast band which is now unlistenable. I tried unplugging everything but still noise. It only dissapears when i switch the family room 20AMP breaker off at the main pannel. It totally dissapears. I unplugged everthing in every room. What the heck can it be??? Could it possibly be the breaker itself? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Im lost on this one. tony k2vi ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo
Thats right. A good friend of mine who owns a datacenter has his own fiber direct to the NAP and is paying .50/meg! If you can transport it and plug in, things get much better. If you cant, they're still getting better, just not as much. -RickG On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Location, location, location... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: 50Mbit for $450 a month isn't bad for a pipe to ATT. We're paying 10x that from ATT right now. $0.90? come on give me a break. If that's possible then we should sue ATT for highway robbery. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo Did you mean $9/meg or $0.90/meg? $9/meg isn't much to write home about. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo Yup. If you are at an on-net building you can get it even cheaper. One client is buying for $9 a meg in bulk in Chicago. Their biggest hurdle are peering agreements with the big boys. The ATt¹s of the world are sort of tolerating them at the moment until they can figure out what to do. They tried de-peering with them a few years ago and there was an outcry. Lots of web-sites are hosted on cogent bandwidth. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://www.mtin.net - Homepage http://www.mtin.net/blog - Technical Blog XISP solutions Hosting Consulting Tower Climbing From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:33:16 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Promo I hear $1500 for a gig! On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I wish I was a bit closer to a POP to take advantage of it, but my Cogent rep informed me that through the end of the month, they have a promo going $400/100 megabit 1 year contract. Only available at Cogent and carrier neutral data centers. These facilities are listed on their web site under the network heading. A complete building list (and not eligible for this promo) is available in the service locator under Dedicated Internet access. Not all of their host buildings allow roof access, but I believe a significant number of them do. I encourage you to build your network out to these facilities. Sure, someone's going to hop on here and complain about how horrible Cogent is, but every carrier has their good and bad spots. I'm sure I could find someone to honestly say the same things about ATT, VZB, Level3, InterNAP, XO, MZima, etc., etc. It doesn't matter the carrier, I strongly encourage you to have more than one. Feel free to blast the list with questions about building your network to Cogent, routing policies to best combine Cogent and your existing provider, etc. These things would apply to any carrier, not just Cogent. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
[WISPA] omni upside down
While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to the tower leg joints. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
Thanks! Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this? -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to the tower leg joints. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
I would worry about if the antenna has any type of downtilt. That would then become uptilt. Then you have to worry about sealing it well. Most omnis have drain holes at the bottom. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net CCNA CCNT Mikrotik Advanced http://www.mtin.net - Homepage http://www.mtin.net/blog - Technical Blog XISP solutions Hosting Consulting Tower Climbing Web Design From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:06:44 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] omni upside down Thanks! Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this? -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to the tower leg joints. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
Not much, probably if you need multiple omnis you would install sectors. But if you need antenna diversity and use omnis this is one of the easier way to do it since you just need one standoff bracket. However when doing need to be wary of downtilt antennas especially for the omni tilted down and ensure you have no weep holes or similar that now end up at the top of the antenna. But with directional antennas on the client it seems base station diversity is not any greater advantage. It's good for roaming mobile users (laptops, pda, cellphones) that might not have direct LOS to the base station. On Direct LOS there is no reason to use diversity unless you are doing a mimo setup using a 2 chain radio. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] omni upside down Thanks! Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this? -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to the tower leg joints. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
In the cellular industry the antennas for this purpose are manufactured to be mounted upside down. Moisture and down tilt issues are dealt with in manufacturing. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:25 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] omni upside down Not much, probably if you need multiple omnis you would install sectors. But if you need antenna diversity and use omnis this is one of the easier way to do it since you just need one standoff bracket. However when doing need to be wary of downtilt antennas especially for the omni tilted down and ensure you have no weep holes or similar that now end up at the top of the antenna. But with directional antennas on the client it seems base station diversity is not any greater advantage. It's good for roaming mobile users (laptops, pda, cellphones) that might not have direct LOS to the base station. On Direct LOS there is no reason to use diversity unless you are doing a mimo setup using a 2 chain radio. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] omni upside down Thanks! Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this? -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to the tower leg joints. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
A couple of reasons 1. Antenna mounting space reuse. Standoffs have antennas facing up but not down. Allows the use of multiple antennas on one mount. 2. Omni antenna designs that will provide more saturation and downtilt when inverted as an omni has natural uptilt when mounted normally. You will usually find cell sites (usually old Nextel Sites) where the omni's are mounted inverted to better saturate a local area. NOTE: The antennas are specially made to be inverted. Do not try this with something off the shelf. Most omnis have vent holes to drain moisture. Invert them and you will loose this ability in most cases. -B- RickG wrote: While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
My guess was #1. Interesting enough, I have several HighGain Omni units http://www.l-com.com/productfamily.aspx?id=6414 that work really well. They dont have the drain hole on the bottom (I had one fill up with water once). At any rate, I have two water towers within a 1/10th of a mile on each side of a ridge. Each side feeds locatins that cant see the other water tank. So, both have omnis and I'm wondering if it would help to mount one of the omnis upside down and get some diversity. ? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: A couple of reasons 1. Antenna mounting space reuse. Standoffs have antennas facing up but not down. Allows the use of multiple antennas on one mount. 2. Omni antenna designs that will provide more saturation and downtilt when inverted as an omni has natural uptilt when mounted normally. You will usually find cell sites (usually old Nextel Sites) where the omni's are mounted inverted to better saturate a local area. NOTE: The antennas are specially made to be inverted. Do not try this with something off the shelf. Most omnis have vent holes to drain moisture. Invert them and you will loose this ability in most cases. -B- RickG wrote: While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
On 1/27/2010 4:06 PM, RickG wrote: Thanks! Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this? -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafssone...@wisp-router.com wrote: Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. on thing you could do with an upside down antenna is if your antenna is down in a valley and need uptilt that would shoot it up slightly. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM
That's similar to a problem I had in one of my towns. The noise was so bad, that at -50, 900mhz stuff would not connect or pass data, if it managed to connect. It died every night at sunset... but did not get relieved until during the day. Not sunrise, but sometime later, in the morning. We never found the source of the noise. I gave up and ditched 900 in that little town. -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:26 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM Yep. But I've heard of WISP power supplies causing interference on VHF two way radios too. Just pointing out the strange things that can happen when RF is involved. Hoping to help someone out marlon - Original Message - From: Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM I do not know what frequency the first one is on, but the second one, AM and 160/80/40 Meters, covers from 535kHz to 7.3MHz. (AM is 535-1705kHz, 160 Meters is 1.8-2.0MHz, 80 Meters is 3.5-4.0MHz, and 40 Meters is 7.0-7.3MHz) That is all way lower than most, if not all, WISP equipment operates at. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Some more ideas... marlon - Original Message - From: larryjspamme...@teleport.com lar...@teleport.com To: Tower and HF antenna construction topics. towert...@contesting.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM A little over a year ago, my new neighbor put up a nice flagpole in his front yard, with some low-voltage spotlights controlled by a LV power supply with a photocell. Every evening, about sunset, 80 and 160 meters suddenly had a terrible noise level - I could even drive by his house listening to the AM broadcast band in the car and hear the racket. I took my portable FT-817 HF transceiver out with me while walking around, and found that the noise was indeed coming from his place. Once I found out exactly where all the noise was coming from, I took my AM portable radio over and showed the neighbor. and I covered/uncovered the photocell, turning on and off the noise along with the flagpole spotlights. When he saw what was happening, he told me to go ahead and unplug the supply completely (feeding the spotlights), and agreed to bury the LV wire instead of leaving it lying on the ground from the supply to the lights. Some of these LV supplies can make a huge amount of noise! Same with my laptop PC supply - I have to unplug the supply and run on batteries only, if I want to work 160/80/40 Meters while it's on. I've tried toroids on the supply line (input and output) and the phone line - no help at all. I hope that DXpeditions try their logging PCs and networks thoroughly before leaving on a big trip, otherwise, they may be logging by hand and manually entering the contacts into the PC log later, when they find out the PCs keep them from hearing weak signals. The noise I was picking up was on both an 80-Meter dipole, and a multiband vertical, several hundred feet from the noisy flagpole spotlights. LJ -Original Message- From: anthony k...@cox.net Sent: Jan 26, 2010 3:05 PM To: towert...@contesting.com Subject: [TowerTalk] FOUND THE NOISE PROBLEM Gene mentioned the ouside light. The light is a motion sensor type. When I turned the inside switch off the noise disappeared. YAAAY!! Thanks to everyone who helped me on this one. You guys are A#1. now I need to go to lowes and purchase a new non sensor type light. The sensor is great when you walk up to the door at night but my SW dxing takes presidence. 73s tony k2vi ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list towert...@contesting.com http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
Our antennas aren't made for this. You'll have to get creative in finding ways to keep water out and leg condensation get out. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] omni upside down Thanks! Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this? -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to the tower leg joints. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
