Re: [WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO

[RickG]

Thank you!

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Josh Luthman
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> Let's kill this thread now.
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> On Aug 17, 2010 12:44 AM, "RickG"  wrote:
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> No more than the original post Jack. The title of my link says "Broadband".
> This IS broadband is it not?
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO

[Josh Luthman]

Let's kill this thread now.

On Aug 17, 2010 12:44 AM, "RickG"  wrote:

No more than the original post Jack. The title of my link says "Broadband".
This IS broadband is it not?




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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO

[RickG]

No more than the original post Jack. The title of my link says "Broadband".
This IS broadband is it not?


On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Jack Unger  wrote:

>  You're off topic good buddy.
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> I'll tell you what "free" government money does create - corruption:
> http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm
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> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:
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>>  Big River to add 70 jobs with $24M stimulus
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>>  http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2010/08/02/daily47.html
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>> $24,400,00/70=$348,571.42/job created.
>> At this rate it would be over 5 trillion to put the 14.9 million
>> unemployed Americans back to work.
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO

[Jack Unger]

You're off topic good buddy.

RickG wrote:
I'll tell you what "free" government money does create
- corruption: http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm
  
  On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Jim Patient
  
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Big River to add 70 jobs with $24M stimulus


http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2010/08/02/daily47.html

$24,400,00/70=$348,571.42/job created.   
At this rate it would be over 5 trillion to put the 14.9 million
unemployed Americans back to work. 
   
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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO

[RickG]

I'll tell you what "free" government money does create - corruption:
http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Jim Patient  wrote:

>  Big River to add 70 jobs with $24M stimulus
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>  http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2010/08/02/daily47.html
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> At this rate it would be over 5 trillion to put the 14.9 million unemployed
> Americans back to work.
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[WISPA] 900mhz BPF in stock?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Does anyone have any Last Mile Gear or RFLINX 900mhz Band Pass Filters in
stock? I made 4 calls today and everyone is on backorder.

 

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Re: [WISPA] No broadband? No problem

[Chuck Profito]

THAT LAST PARAGRAPH IS SO TRUE, ESPECIALLY HERE ON THE LEFT COAST!

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik OSPF Problem

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

  Butch - your post was fine except for the first sentence.   No need to 
pick at wounds at this point.   Let it go.

Matt Larsen
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On 8/15/2010 5:49 PM, Butch Evans wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 17:15 -0400, Scott Reed wrote:
>> I have an RB433AH running ROS3.30.  It has been running well for months
>> or longer.  Yesterday afternoon it lost the OSPF routes that come in
>> from the backhaul interface.  I rebooted.  Still no go.  It showed 9
>> potential neighbors in Init state on that interface.  It gets neighbors
>> on the wireless AP interface.  I power cycled it this morning.  Same
>> thing, 9 neighbors in Init state.
>> On of those neighbors is inches away so I put a 3 foot jumper between
>> ether2 on the bad unit to ether2 on the good one.  They instantly became
>> neighbors.
>> What do I need to look for on the interface that is not working to get
>> it to go to the next step?
>> By the way, that interface is the link to the Internet for 2 APs and all
>> of the customers on those 2 APs are moving traffic, so it is not a
>> physical interface that is not working.
> Hopefully Jim Patient won't think this is "advertising", so I'll post it
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> the network.  Another possibility is that you have an incomplete bridge
> somewhere (backhaul maybe?), such as would occur with an 802.11 based
> client-ap setup.  Without more information, it's hard to say what could
> be causing this issue.  State "init" means that we have seen the
> hello(s) from the neighbor, but they have not seen ours.  This indicates
> some failure of packets in one direction, so I am guessing a duplex
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Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

[Matt]

> As we get larger and larger pipes in to feed our customers what are people 
>doing with the excess outbound capacity?

In many colocation facillities you can 100mbps port for ~$200 monthly
and 1gbps port for ~$1500 monthly.  So the excess would be valued
accordingly in my book.  I just wish I could get them prices here.

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Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

[Nick Olsen]

publicly mirror a few linux distributions?

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Re: [WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO

[David E. Smith]

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 13:57, Jim Patient  wrote:

>  $24,400,00/70=$348,571.42/job created.
>
The broadband stimulus package had "increasing access to broadband" as a
primary goal, and "creating jobs" was at best a second-order effect. If the
primary goal were to create jobs or reduce unemployment, yes, there are many
more cost-effective ways to do so, but that wasn't the point of that little
part of the 2009 stimulus bill.

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[WISPA] Stimulus money creating jobs in MO

[Jim Patient]

 Big River to add 70 jobs with $24M stimulus


http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2010/08/02/daily47.html

$24,400,00/70=$348,571.42/job created.
At this rate it would be over 5 trillion to put the 14.9 million 
unemployed Americans back to work.


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Re: [WISPA] FS: 3 5750 AP's P10 Connectorized

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I thought they were two different companies...in the same locale.

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Isn't SurplusWireless also known as EZLinx?

On 08/13/2010 06:39 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
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> I bought them from either PDMNet or SurplusWireless.  They have a very

> nice connectorization done to them, with the actual Motorola Canopy 
> Pigtails.  They were never put into service by me, and they appear to 
> be new.
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[WISPA] Moto PTP600 and Memorylink UltraSync

[Marco Coelho]

Are any of you out there using the MemoryLink UltraSync with your
colocated PTP600 radios?

If so, what have your frequency reuse results looked like.

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Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth

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Re: [WISPA] FS: 3 5750 AP's P10 Connectorized

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Isn't SurplusWireless also known as EZLinx?

On 08/13/2010 06:39 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
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> I bought them from either PDMNet or SurplusWireless.  They have a very 
> nice connectorization done to them, with the actual Motorola Canopy 
> Pigtails.  They were never put into service by me, and they appear to 
> be new.
>
> $500 each or make me an offer.
>
> (This message was delayed delivery by outlook, hopefully, if it goes 
> out before Friday I apologize.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck Hogg
>
> Shelby Broadband
> 502-722-9292
> ch...@shelbybb.com 
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> http://www.shelbybb.com
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[WISPA] No broadband? No problem

[Matt]

No broadband? No problem
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Re: [WISPA] Powerstation2 with very low throughput

[Kristian Hoffmann]

On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 06:48 -0600, Mark Dueck wrote:
> It's a brand new PS purchased about 2 months ago. 
> 
> I'll have to try B only then to see if that will have better
> performance.
> 
> I've been checking all the clients, and I see some of them with very
> high retries.  They are pushing through trees.  Could be a likely
> cause right?

Excessive retries can definitely cause a severe reduction in throughput.
Here's a study I did a year or two ago.  The test was to see how many
retries a typical 802.11 AP/station would send before giving up.  I was
surprised.  This particular test run was to see how effective MikroTik's
frame lifetime setting was.


Static test configuration 2

* AP, 802.11b, channel 1, ROS 3.3
* Engenius station
* RB112 w/ NMP-8602 station, ROS 3.3
* RB112 w/ NMP- sniffer, ROS 3.3 

Test run 2.1

* Dynamic test configuration
  o AP, 802.11b, channel 1
+ hw-retries - 4
+ on-retry-fail-time - 100ms
+ disconnect-timeout - 3s
+ frame-lifetime - 0 (infinite) 
* Results
  o Max observed frame retry count - 185 

Test run 2.2

* Dynamic test configuration
  o AP, 802.11b, channel 1
+ hw-retries - 0
+ on-retry-fail-time - 100ms
+ disconnect-timeout - 3s
+ frame-lifetime - 0 (infinite) 
* Results
  o Max observed frame retry count - 76 

Test run 2.3

* Dynamic test configuration
  o AP, 802.11b, channel 1
+ hw-retries - 0
+ on-retry-fail-time - 100ms
+ disconnect-timeout - 3s
+ frame-lifetime - 10cs (100ms) 
* Results
  o Max observed frame retry count - 7 

Test run 2.4

* Dynamic test configuration
  o AP, 802.11b, channel 1
+ hw-retries - 0
+ on-retry-fail-time - 100ms
+ disconnect-timeout - 3s
+ frame-lifetime - 1cs (10ms) 
* Results
  o Max observed frame retry count - 4 (1x11Mbps, 1x5.5Mbps,
1x2Mbps, 1x1Mbps) 

Test run 2.5

* Dynamic test configuration
  o AP, 802.11b, channel 1
+ hw-retries - 4
+ on-retry-fail-time - 100ms
+ disconnect-timeout - 3s
+ frame-lifetime - 1cs (10ms) 
* Results
  o Max observed frame retry count - 4 (4x11Mbps) 



These tests are counting AP-side retransmits, but the same applies to
the CPE.  When we have a suspect client with a MikroTik CPE, we login
and change frame lifetime to ~10.  If it completely breaks them, then we
know they're (part of) the problem.  In an extreme case, we had to put
another AP up in sniffer mode to find the culprit.  In more than one
case, the problem was a metal barn either directly in front of the
customer's antenna, or at the half way point.

HTH,

-Kristian





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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik OSPF Problem

[Butch Evans]

On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 20:11 -0400, Scott Reed wrote:
> That all makes sense, but I think I have eliminated most of it.

While it may seem that nothing has changed, it is certain that SOMETHING
has changed.  Some things to try:

* Run a packet capture on both ends of the link looking for protocol 89
(OSPF).  You'll be looking for the "hello" packets.  

* Assuming you see these packets at both locations, you should check for
firewall changes at the remote end.  Then end that shows "init" state IS
seeing the hellos, so it is the OTHER end that is NOT.

* If you are seeing the hello on both ends, the next thing would be to
restart OSPF on the remote end.  You should be able to restart OSPF on
just that one interface.  With Mikrotik, you can do that by
disable/enable the network under ROUTING->OSPF->Network.

* If you are NOT seeing the hello packets on the remote side, then
you'll need to ensure that the link between these 2 devices is able to
pass multicast traffic.

* If all else fails, rebooting the remote devices or the link may help.

* Call me and I'll help you troubleshoot further.  573-276-2879.

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik OSPF Problem

[Dennis Burgess]

I have seen this with switches, as well as PoE injectors!  Don't tell me
how a POE injector could cause OSPF to not function correctly, but as
soon as it was replaced, it came up.  

 

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 10:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik OSPF Problem

 

I will power cycle the switch tomorrow.  It is an industrial DIN-rail
mount that is not managed.

Scott Lambert wrote: 

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 08:11:39PM -0400, Scott Reed wrote:
  

That all makes sense, but I think I have eliminated most of it.
The
link from device A to device B is the primary link for this part
of
the network to the Internet.  It is carrying 2-way traffic just
fine.
That would seem to indicate that all the hardware level stuff is
OK.
I have looked at the interfaces, but I will do it again to be
sure I
have not missed one, but since this plugs into a switch it
should just
be the one port on the at fault unit and the switch.
 
The other part of the mystery is that this was working fine and
then
just quit.  As far as I know there were no changes to the
network near
the time it quit finding neighbors.


 
The problem may be that the switch has failed to forward multicast
traffic from this port.  Normal traffic would flow correctly.  Have
you power cycled the switch?  Is it a managed switch?  Does it have
the ablility to permit or deny multicast traffic on a port by port
basis?
 
  





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Scott Reed
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