Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
On the bright side, it will breed a whole wave of encryption. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
How is v4 working for you other than the potential 2GB issue? I’ve been hesitant to move to it since it’s still beta. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:02 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
When the weather goes bad we don't do outside work. Some times of the year that gets to be a real issue. But what I've found is that if we install gear when we can't see we too often end up with something (trees etc.) in the way. The other thing I've done is lay a stick or something like that out 50ish yards from the tower in the direction that the antenna needs to go. Then when I get back to the site I can at least get things close on installation day. marlon - Original Message - From: Mark Nash To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
I like it. However I feel it is still a little buggy in the Discovery module. I have reported one bug and MT has verified it. I have a sub map for each tower. If you setup a weekly discovery to find new clients on towers the saved discovery can change to the last tower you are in. So when you run a discovery you have to disable it and run it manually each week. I am also having an issue with it discovering clients on some towers. I can run a Angry IP scan on a tower and come up with 40 clients and using the discovery on that same PC it only comes up with 12. If I add them manually the work just fine. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation How is v4 working for you other than the potential 2GB issue? I’ve been hesitant to move to it since it’s still beta. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:02 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.commailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.commailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.commailto:os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.netmailto:d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again maybe they read to much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Too early to tell. Dealing with one bug at a time ;) _ From: Jason Hensley [mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com] Sent: 20 October 2010 15:41 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation How is v4 working for you other than the potential 2GB issue? I’ve been hesitant to move to it since it’s still beta. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:02 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
No doubt, we have politicians that live in a fantasy world while we live in reality. I'm still waiting for mandatory licensing of wireless routers. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:34 -0400 What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again maybe they read to much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
Bite your tongue. In some countries I am told that it is illegal to send RF across a public ROW with out a license. If you think the government could not manage it, look at the coming 1099 debacle. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: No doubt, we have politicians that live in a fantasy world while we live in reality. I'm still waiting for mandatory licensing of wireless routers. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:34 -0400 What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again maybe they read to much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Another thing that is interesting is that I have 2 links that are UBNT NanoBridge. I just updated the firmware on them from 5.2 to 5.2.1 when doing so the link went from black to Red. It doesn't show that it is down and it doent tell me what is wrong, all the data comes through fine shows SNMP data Speed, Link Speed, Freq, and everything just the same as before the link is just red. (I hate things being red on the Dude) I assume something is set differnet in the firmware. Wait Just figured it out. The new firmware reports that the link is FULL duplex. Changed Full duplex to Blue as a default and I am happy. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:36 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Too early to tell. Dealing with one bug at a time ;) From: Jason Hensley [mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com] Sent: 20 October 2010 15:41 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation How is v4 working for you other than the potential 2GB issue? I've been hesitant to move to it since it's still beta. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:02 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn't really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.commailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.commailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don't want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.commailto:os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there.
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
You can also tie a light colored rope on the tower and stretch it out on the line. Most of the time I just take a milk jug or some other light colored object and set it out as far as I can to use as the target. We use a Starrett angle finder to check the tilt. As mentioned in a previous post, you can get the tilt from Radio Mobile. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com On 10/19/2010 11:37 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Jim that is an excellent point. Its how our climbers did it that we pay. They draw the direction to point on the ground with spray paint or something. Then when on the tower, looking down, its pretty easy to align the feed with the line on the ground. For up down, I've seen them use levels on the dish, and pre-calculate the downtilt. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Jim Patient mailto:sa...@jeffcosoho.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 6:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment We hillbilly them up all the time and most of the time don't need to go back to tower 1. Every once in a while we might have to go back and tweak the alignment a little. I use Delorme Topo USA and a GPS receiver on my laptop. Mark both locations and draw a line between the towers. Zoom in and start walking directly away from the tower in the direction of the link and keep the little arrow thingy on the line. I go out a few hundred feet, make sure I'm on the line and drop a direction target to shoot at. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosoho www.wlan1.com www.linktechs.net www.wifimidwest.com On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: You can also tie a light colored rope on the tower and stretch it out on the line. Most of the time I just take a milk jug or some other light colored object and set it out as far as I can to use as the target. We use a Starrett angle finder to check the tilt. As mentioned in a previous post, you can get the tilt from Radio Mobile. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosohowww.wlan1.comwww.linktechs.netwww.wifimidwest.com On 10/19/2010 11:37 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Jim that is an excellent point. Its how our climbers did it that we pay. They draw the direction to point on the ground with spray paint or something. Then when on the tower, looking down, its pretty easy to align the feed with the line on the ground. For up down, I've seen them use levels on the dish, and pre-calculate the downtilt. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Tuesday, October 19, 2010 6:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment We hillbilly them up all the time and most of the time don't need to go back to tower 1. Every once in a while we might have to go back and tweak the alignment a little. I use Delorme Topo USA and a GPS receiver on my laptop. Mark both locations and draw a line between the towers. Zoom in and start walking directly away from the tower in the direction of the link and keep the little arrow thingy on the line. I go out a few hundred feet, make sure I'm on the line and drop a direction target to shoot at. Jim Patient Cell: 314-565-6863 Desk: 636-692-4200 YIM: jeffcosohowww.wlan1.comwww.linktechs.netwww.wifimidwest.com On 10/19/2010 10:16 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Question: What tools do you use to blindly put up the first end of a ptp without having a visual on the other side? Details: When deploying ptp dishes... One team doing both ends at different times. The first dish must be aligned without a connecting radio at the other end. We know how to get uptilt/downtilt/azimuth from Radio Mobile. Uptilt/downtilt is easy to do with a simple gauge. Azimuth is a different story. If you can see the site that you're aiming for, no big deal, but what if you can't? We have a number of backhaul upgrades to do in the next few months, and we have alot of fog here in the mornings this time of year. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request
we just finished that a few months ago. It took forever and a day but wasn't really all that hard to do. The ARIN folks were very helpful when I got stuck. I guess I should probably go after some ipv6 space too. Just so I have it available for someday if nothing else. I don't know of many consumer devices that can use it yet. marlon - Original Message - From: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request Hi, Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address space from ARIN? Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a WISP to justify need? There are specific provisions for cable operators so that they can request enough space for every household they are able to serve. I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what the basis for our need should look like. Also, the ARIN policy refers to efficient utilization often, but doesn't seem to define what that is. Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who looks like they have their documentation together? My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment. Thanks, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:17, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I guess I should probably go after some ipv6 space too. Just so I have it available for someday if nothing else. You'll need it in the next couple years, and it's effectively free. (ARIN charges you the greater of your IPv4 or IPv6 allocation fees. I have a /19 of IPv4 space, and a /32 of IPv6 space, the latter just because.) I don't know of many consumer devices that can use it yet. And neither of my upstream ISPs do native IPv6. Egg, chicken. Chicken, egg. Hi. Yeah, there's very little residential gear that would know what to do with IPv6 address space (and, if you use radios that double as NATting routers instead of just transparent bridges, relatively few of those that support IPv6 either). Shame, that. Most IPv4 backhauls and such can pass IPv6 traffic just fine, but right now there are few places for the traffic to go and few ways to get it there. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Today's FCC Digest:
ERRATUM - UNLICENSED OPERATIONS IN THE TV BROADCAST BANDS, ADDITIONAL SPECTRUM FOR UNLICENSED DEVICES BELOW 900 MHZ AND IN THE 3 GHZ BAND. Issued an Erratum correcting Second Memorandum Opinion and Order, FCC 10-174, released September 13, 2010. (Dkt No. 02-380 04-186 ). Action by: Chief, Office of Engineering and Technology by ERRATUM. OET http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-302279A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-302279A1.pdf http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-302279A1.txt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my projector. There are more uses then people think. On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Yeah... and that's one of the reasons I keep THAT friend around... ;) I stopped doing math in high school as soon as I could. There's just no time in the day with 4 music classes on the schedule... - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my projector. There are more uses then people think. On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Come on Josh, get a couple of land marks from Google Earth, that takes care of left and right, and Google Earth tells you altitude at the base of each plus your height, now it's just up or down from level, a few turns. Google is your friend! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my projector. There are more uses then people think. On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
So it's 50 foot higher and 10 miles away...what angle is that? On Oct 20, 2010 1:38 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Come on Josh, get a couple of land marks from Google Earth, that takes care of left and right, and Google Earth tells you altitude at the base of each plus your height, now it's just up or down from level, a few turns. Google is your friend! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my projector. There are more uses then people think. On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Don't forget to factor in the curvature of the earth ;) On 10/20/2010 1:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: So it's 50 foot higher and 10 miles away...what angle is that? On Oct 20, 2010 1:38 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com mailto:cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Come on Josh, get a couple of land marks from Google Earth, that takes care of left and right, and Google Earth tells you altitude at the base of each plus your height, now it's just up or down from level, a few turns. Google is your friend! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my projector. There are more uses then people think. On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net wrote: YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Green Bay Professional Packet Radio http://www.qsl.net/n9zia scroll down to Interactive Wireless / RF Design Utilities all you need is the GPS coordinates LOTS of other stuff there too - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment So it's 50 foot higher and 10 miles away...what angle is that? On Oct 20, 2010 1:38 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Come on Josh, get a couple of land marks from Google Earth, that takes care of left and right, and Google Earth tells you altitude at the base of each plus your height, now it's just up or down from level, a few turns. Google is your friend! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my projector. There are more uses then people think. On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment
Well in my area if its e-w about a turn, n-s 2 or 3. But what do I know, Tim's doing the turning, I'm calling the signal levels to him. I'm the tower bender! :-) From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment So it's 50 foot higher and 10 miles away...what angle is that? On Oct 20, 2010 1:38 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com wrote: Come on Josh, get a couple of land marks from Google Earth, that takes care of left and right, and Google Earth tells you altitude at the base of each plus your height, now it's just up or down from level, a few turns. Google is your friend! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment I just filled a printer page with trig figuring out hoe I'm going to place my projector. There are more uses then people think. On Oct 20, 2010 12:55 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: YES LOL ;) Only once did I know of a a practical use for trig. A friend of mine was trying to make a cut pattern in sheet metal to make a cone. The cone had to fit a certain size at the top and a certain size at the bottom. The cone was a pivotal part of his home brewing system. He is the kind of guy who can buy this stuff pre-made but preferred to do it himself. I don't have that kind of time on my hands, I just buy the stuff. Though he is a bit prouder of HIS homebrew system than I am, and that's the difference. Nobody else who opens my fridge knows, though. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PtP Dish Alignment Am I the only one that uses Trigonometry for vertical alignment? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 permail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Amplifiers OFDM: Facts vs Fiction
Hi all, Hope this finds everyone well. I wanted to reach out to the community as I've had a few birdies in my ear telling me to throw bi-directional amplifiers on our 3650 gear to reach the FCC limit on omni-directional antennas. The gear we're thinking about here is a Redline AN100U which has 23dBm output. I have heard some people tell me that ODFM and amplification is a terrible thing due to the carriers on the wave and timing. I have also heard people tell me there should be no problem with this if it is a fast-switching bi-directional amplifier. None of these people can really provide me literature or references to site their knowledge or show me actively working systems. I know, based on what we've seen with a few acquisitions, that amps dirty pretty much everything but have gotten people through some difficult problems. We've got some amps on older DSSS equipment that doesn't work great but had enabled the previous owner of the company to house his radios in the hut at the base of the tower. Any wizards out there that can shed some light on this? -- Nick Huanca GAW High-Speed Internet 619 Silver St, Front Bldg Agawam, MA 01001 [office] (877) 5-GET-GAW (877.543.8429) x214 [direct] (413) 203-4910 [mobile] (413) 570-0120 www.gaw.com Tell us how we did: www.gaw.com/survey --- PRIVACY AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication and any files transmitted with it are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential, proprietary and/or legally privileged or protected information. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this message. Any use, disclosure, retransmission, distribution, copying, or taking of any action based on this information by any person or entity other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Amplifiers OFDM: Facts vs Fiction
Talk to RF Linx... now streakwave. On 10/20/2010 3:44 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Most of the time a amp will "clip" the signal on an OFDM radio. So you do get amping but not accurate amping. If they make an amp specifically for OFDM then there should be no technical issues here. Good luck finding one :) marlon - - Original Message - From: Nick Huanca To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] Amplifiers OFDM: Facts vs Fiction Hi all, Hope this finds everyone well. I wanted to reach out to the community as I've had a few birdies in my ear telling me to throw bi-directional amplifiers on our 3650 gear to reach the FCC limit on omni-directional antennas. The gear we're thinking about here is a Redline AN100U which has 23dBm output. I have heard some peopletell me that ODFM and amplification is a terrible thing due to the carriers on the wave and timing. I have also heard people tell me there should be no problem with this if it is a "fast-switching" bi-directional amplifier. None of these people can really provide meliteratureor references to site their knowledge or show me actively working systems. I know, based on what we've seen with a few acquisitions, that amps dirty pretty much everything but have gotten people through some difficult problems. We've got some amps on older DSSS equipment that doesn't work great but had enabled the previous owner of the company to house his radios in the hut at the base of the tower. Any wizards out there that can shed some light on this? -- Nick Huanca GAW High-Speed Internet 619 Silver St, Front Bldg Agawam, MA 01001 [office] (877) 5-GET-GAW (877.543.8429) x214 [direct] (413) 203-4910 [mobile] (413) 570-0120 www.gaw.com Tell us how we did: www.gaw.com/survey --- PRIVACY AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication and any files transmitted with it are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential, proprietary and/or legally privileged or protected information. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this message. Any use, disclosure, retransmission, distribution, copying, or taking of any action based on this information by any person or entity other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Because e-mail can be altered electronically, the integrity of this communication cannot be guaranteed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request
For those of you looking to get some IPv6 space, you may want to follow the WISPA IPv6 mail list. On 10/20/2010 12:17 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: we just finished that a few months ago. It took forever and a day but wasn't really all that hard to do. The ARIN folks were very helpful when I got stuck. I guess I should probably go after some ipv6 space too. Just so I have it available for someday if nothing else. I don't know of many consumer devices that can use it yet. marlon - Original Message - From: Kristian Hoffmannkh...@fire2wire.com To:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request Hi, Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address space from ARIN? Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a WISP to justify need? There are specific provisions for cable operators so that they can request enough space for every household they are able to serve. I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what the basis for our need should look like. Also, the ARIN policy refers to efficient utilization often, but doesn't seem to define what that is. Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who looks like they have their documentation together? My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment. Thanks, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower climbing helmets
Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the brim of the helmet will get in the way. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets
Chin strap is a must. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the brim of the helmet will get in the way. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request
IIRC, you can request double your current allocation space pretty easily if you already have an allocation. Assign pubs to clients, radios, towers, routers, switches, etc. in your IP Plan to Arin. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: For those of you looking to get some IPv6 space, you may want to follow the WISPA IPv6 mail list. On 10/20/2010 12:17 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: we just finished that a few months ago. It took forever and a day but wasn't really all that hard to do. The ARIN folks were very helpful when I got stuck. I guess I should probably go after some ipv6 space too. Just so I have it available for someday if nothing else. I don't know of many consumer devices that can use it yet. marlon - Original Message - From: Kristian Hoffmannkh...@fire2wire.com To:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] ARIN IPv4 resource request Hi, Can someone comment on their experience with requesting IPv4 address space from ARIN? Particularly, what is an acceptable practice for a WISP to justify need? There are specific provisions for cable operators so that they can request enough space for every household they are able to serve. I'm talking myself in circles when it comes to what the basis for our need should look like. Also, the ARIN policy refers to efficient utilization often, but doesn't seem to define what that is. Is there a simple threshold like 80% allocated 50% utilized that is used for screening requests, or do they just say yes to everyone who looks like they have their documentation together? My ulterior motive is to take advantage of the IPv6 fee waiver for initial allocations so that we can begin our IPv6 deployment. Thanks, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets
Petzl Vertex Vent is what we use. Open the vent for summer, close it for winter. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Chin strap is a must. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the brim of the helmet will get in the way. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets
Petzl all the way. http://cgi.ebay.com/PETZL-ECRIN-ROC-Rock-Climbing-Helmet-Yellow-NEW-/1505070 48405?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item230aeb4dd5 -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:24:01 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the brim of the helmet will get in the way. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets
Thanks guys, looks like Petzl wins. On 10/20/2010 4:34 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: Petzl Vertex Vent is what we use. Open the vent for summer, close it for winter. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Chin strap is a must. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com mailto:w...@dtisp.com wrote: Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the brim of the helmet will get in the way. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the *DTISP MailScanner* http://www.dtisp.com/, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like it might save a tower climb somewhere. http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera. John WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
Inspection of tower equipment Preview the area for marketing demographics before signing a contract Locating tower site without climbing roof for line of site issues Watching a high school football game in your car when it is raining :) Tons of uses, not all of them will be good! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:22 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like it might save a tower climb somewhere. http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone- quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera. John --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/uk/support/questions-answers Going to have to be a short tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like it might save a tower climb somewhere. http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera. John WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets
Yes the vent with cmi (I think) sombrero attachment Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the brim of the helmet will get in the way. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports
POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a bonus I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the shields) to each other or to power ground as well. I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green lights but everybody shows them out of stock. Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They are going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about?
The day they try that I'm buying a bunch and giving them out to everyone I know as long as they promise to light it up! On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote: No doubt, we have politicians that live in a fantasy world while we live in reality. I'm still waiting for mandatory licensing of wireless routers. -- Original Message -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:55:34 -0400 What a racket. All I can say is Big Brother. Add another Bill to the list to fight and burn. I do find it ironic though, how classic Sci-Fi literature finds a way to evolve into current day reality politics. Sometimes I think these law makers either did not read enough as kids, or then again maybe they read to much. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Gary Garrett ggarr...@nidaho.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] anyone know what this is about? I'm thinking the Gov'mnt will not know for sure if there is a backdoor or not without trying it, and with just a few more clicks they are monitoring some guy at random and so we WILL be checked at random for our Protection. There goes the whole warrant thing right there. I am sure it works for them, Not Us. On 10/19/2010 12:13 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I heard about this on the Tech News Today podcast. Folks are not happy about it. It sounds like the end of encryption without back doors, without the govt having the keys. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
thanks rick for the laugh. last sentence had me giggling On Oct 20, 2010, at 8:43 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: Inspection of tower equipment Preview the area for marketing demographics before signing a contract Locating tower site without climbing roof for line of site issues Watching a high school football game in your car when it is raining :) Tons of uses, not all of them will be good! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:22 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like it might save a tower climb somewhere. http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone- quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera. John --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports
Suggested alternates :- http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a-CAT5.html http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a bonus I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the shields) to each other or to power ground as well. I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green lights but everybody shows them out of stock. Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They are going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets
LOL, get the Pickelhaube attachement :) On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Yes the vent with cmi (I think) sombrero attachment Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- *From*: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com *Sent*: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:23 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing. I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the brim of the helmet will get in the way. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
Does an iphone include a shaver swiss knife yet? :) On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:21 PM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like it might save a tower climb somewhere. http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera. John WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone
Most water tanks are less than 160', so it would work fine for that. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:23 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/uk/support/questions-answers Going to have to be a short tower. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Remote Controlled Drone I have no idea if this would be on any use to anyone, but it seems like it might save a tower climb somewhere. http://www.brookstone.com/ar-drone-quadricopter.html?bkiid=hmpg|hdr|652479p You can remote control it with an iPhone and it has a camera. John WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE Injectors / Passive / Shielded ports
Those are fine but no lights. That last unit is bit pricey. I found a few of the white units: http://www.bizsyscon.com/product/ENGENIUS__POE+EBU-101-01__2201.html http://www.bizsyscon.com/product/ENGENIUS__POE+EBU-101-01__2201.html http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DC-EBU-10102eq=Tp= http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DC-EBU-10102eq=Tp=Scott, I actually have some if you want. Hit me offlist. Oh, I also have these: http://www.microcom.us/cat5poe.html http://www.microcom.us/cat5poe.html-RickG On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Suggested alternates :- http://www.wlanparts.com/product/POE-INJ-S/Shielded-POE-Inserter-power-to-a-CAT5.html http://store.netgate.com/-P264.aspx http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.309/.f http://www.l-com.com/item.aspx?id=24449 Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 10/20/2010 11:29 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: POE Injectors I'm looking for some poe injectors, 2.1mm power feed, a power light would be preferred but not absolutely necessary, surge protection a bonus I do require shielded ethernet ports that are both connected (the shields) to each other or to power ground as well. I have used the little white triangle looking ones with the green lights but everybody shows them out of stock. Anyone have any idea who has them or a product you recommend. They are going into a box I am making to feed a bunch or radios 24v Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
