Re: [WISPA] FW: ubnt is fricken bad ass!

[Tom DeReggi]

Nice Post  (from LIAM)  I almost feel like I attended, after reading such a 
thorough review.

It is really refreshing having a company like UBNT that is so diligently 
innovating.

DUAL POL OMNI !  BeamForming Rocket ! 

PS... Also was nice to see the link to the XBOX NAT explanation. That was 
helpful!
 
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert West 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:37 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] FW: ubnt is fricken bad ass!


  Forward from my long lost son, Liam.  Looks like fun when  they someday 
become In Stock!

   

  http://www.3dbwireless.com/boyd/

   

   

  From: Liam Cummings [mailto:lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:56 AM
  To: Robert West
  Subject: ubnt is fricken bad ass!

   

  Check out all these new products from some one who took photos at a 
conference.

   

  http://www.3dbwireless.com/boyd/

   



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Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] VZW, USCC Contact

[Rod Shepardson]

Where are you located? Sometimes USCC puts them up temporarily, until they 
get a licensed MW or phone line link. In our area, anyway.

Rod



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Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 2:30 PM
Subject: [Bulk] [WISPA] VZW, USCC Contact


> Anyone have a contact at Verizon Wireless or Us Cellular? They have
> some towers here that are now sitting all over the <5755 making it
> totally unusable and some other portions of the band. Would like to
> try to work out some frequency sharing, anyone ever been able to?
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Scott Carullo]

So can you use them for just 411?  How much does it cost?

Maybe you can hook me into your system and reroute through them for $

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102



From: "Josh Luthman" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:42 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

Doing well enough to keep me happy.  Global Crossing is one of our term 
providers.  I am using their 411 services.  The thread is about 411 services 
now that GOOG411 is gone...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Robert West  
wrote:



Same.




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:32 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411








At 11/10/2010 11:22 PM, Robert West wrote:


Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_002E_01CB812E.28171070"
Content-Language: en-us

They still alive?  I had stock in them back in 99.  Lost a few bucks..  
$...@! It!



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411


I an using global crossing.
I'm not sure what GX has to do with 411, unless it's one of their 
less-well-known sidelines.

But in any case, Bob, "Global Double Crossing", which had practiced somewhat 
creative accounting, went bankrupt in 2002 and its assets were acquired by 
Singapore Telemedia.  Shareholders were wiped out.  Then it went public anew in 
2004.

 --
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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Robert West]

I do weird stuff.

 

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/nothing/free411.asp

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

 

Doing well enough to keep me happy.  Global Crossing is one of our term
providers.  I am using their 411 services.  The thread is about 411 services
now that GOOG411 is gone...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

Same.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:32 PM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

 

At 11/10/2010 11:22 PM, Robert West wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_002E_01CB812E.28171070"
Content-Language: en-us

They still alive?  I had stock in them back in 99.  Lost a few bucks..
$...@! It!
 
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
 

I an using global crossing.


I'm not sure what GX has to do with 411, unless it's one of their
less-well-known sidelines.

But in any case, Bob, "Global Double Crossing", which had practiced somewhat
creative accounting, went bankrupt in 2002 and its assets were acquired by
Singapore Telemedia.  Shareholders were wiped out.  Then it went public anew
in 2004.



 --
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 ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ 
 +1 617 795 2701






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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Robert West]

Cool!   And probably on some of my long, long lost cash...  L

 

The bubble, it did indeed burst..

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

 

Doing well enough to keep me happy.  Global Crossing is one of our term
providers.  I am using their 411 services.  The thread is about 411 services
now that GOOG411 is gone...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Robert West 
wrote:

Same.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:32 PM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

 

At 11/10/2010 11:22 PM, Robert West wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_002E_01CB812E.28171070"
Content-Language: en-us

They still alive?  I had stock in them back in 99.  Lost a few bucks..
$...@! It!
 
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
 

I an using global crossing.


I'm not sure what GX has to do with 411, unless it's one of their
less-well-known sidelines.

But in any case, Bob, "Global Double Crossing", which had practiced somewhat
creative accounting, went bankrupt in 2002 and its assets were acquired by
Singapore Telemedia.  Shareholders were wiped out.  Then it went public anew
in 2004.



 --
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 ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ 
 +1 617 795 2701






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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Josh Luthman]

Doing well enough to keep me happy.  Global Crossing is one of our term
providers.  I am using their 411 services.  The thread is about 411 services
now that GOOG411 is gone...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Robert West wrote:

> Same.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Fred Goldstein
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:32 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
>
>
>
> At 11/10/2010 11:22 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_002E_01CB812E.28171070"
> Content-Language: en-us
>
> They still alive?  I had stock in them back in 99.  Lost a few bucks……
> $...@! It!
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ 
> mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:05 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
>
>
> I an using global crossing.
>
>
> I'm not sure what GX has to do with 411, unless it's one of their
> less-well-known sidelines.
>
> But in any case, Bob, "Global Double Crossing", which had practiced
> somewhat creative accounting, went bankrupt in 2002 and its assets were
> acquired by Singapore Telemedia.  Shareholders were wiped out.  Then it went
> public anew in 2004.
>
>
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>  ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/
>  +1 617 795 2701
>
>
>
>
> 
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[WISPA] FW: ubnt is fricken bad ass!

[Robert West]

Forward from my long lost son, Liam.  Looks like fun when  they someday
become In Stock!

 

http://www.3dbwireless.com/boyd/

 

 

From: Liam Cummings [mailto:lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:56 AM
To: Robert West
Subject: ubnt is fricken bad ass!

 

Check out all these new products from some one who took photos at a
conference.

 

http://www.3dbwireless.com/boyd/

 




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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Robert West]

Same.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

 

At 11/10/2010 11:22 PM, Robert West wrote:



Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_002E_01CB812E.28171070"
Content-Language: en-us

They still alive?  I had stock in them back in 99.  Lost a few bucks..
$...@! It!
 
 
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
 

I an using global crossing.


I'm not sure what GX has to do with 411, unless it's one of their
less-well-known sidelines.

But in any case, Bob, "Global Double Crossing", which had practiced somewhat
creative accounting, went bankrupt in 2002 and its assets were acquired by
Singapore Telemedia.  Shareholders were wiped out.  Then it went public anew
in 2004.




 --
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 ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ 
 +1 617 795 2701




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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Fred Goldstein]

At 11/10/2010 11:22 PM, Robert West wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_002E_01CB812E.28171070"
Content-Language: en-us

They still alive?  I had stock in them back in 99.  Lost a few 
bucks……  $...@! It!




From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Josh Luthman

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411


I an using global crossing.


I'm not sure what GX has to do with 411, unless it's one of their 
less-well-known sidelines.


But in any case, Bob, "Global Double Crossing", which had practiced 
somewhat creative accounting, went bankrupt in 2002 and its assets 
were acquired by Singapore Telemedia.  Shareholders were wiped 
out.  Then it went public anew in 2004.



 --
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 ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
 +1 617 795 2701 


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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

The berries would be 3.65 if the price came down to reasonable.

But then again, once the white space gear comes online..  2.4 will 
be moot.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of j284...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:26 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

Airmax beats up on all legacy 802.11,gonna be tuff on 2.4 with all the vendors 
pushing it. :( Sent from my BlackBerry®

-Original Message-
From: "Robert West" 
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:19:57
To: 'WISPA General List'
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

I always make sure I have DFS enabled.  Stupid not to, IMO.  As far as Joe Blow 
home dweller.  that's why I've been trying to stick to 5GHz for the 
"Free' spectrum.  I can certainly see lots of idiotic messes if trying to use 
Auto channel in 2.4!  YIKES  

Had an issue about a week ago  Hotel I do the wireless network for.  
Not working, keeps dropping out.  Made that 2 hour drive just to find 
not one but TWO wisps  (They were not there the last time I had to do a call, 2 
years ago!  HA!) breathing down their necks with..  yes 
  AUTO CHANNEL.  Um...  Same as me!  (gulp)

It was a big fight, turned off Auto channel and it got better.  Not great but 
better.  But at least it worked.  So with that, I humbly concede to your point.


Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

As well AUTO select can be like the DEVIL, when a product is sold in volume 
and at low cost affordable by end users.
The reason is that AUTO is selfish. All it cares about is the health of its own 
link. It has no way to learn how it impacts the health of another's radio.
The last thing a WISP wants is self imposed self interference, and not know its 
even occuring, because its automatic behind hte scenes.

So... then comes addition of specifiying what channels are available to hop to, 
so that a WISP can de-select the channels that the WISP is already using at the 
cell site, to prevent a radio from hopping onto the channel of another AP.

But problem still not solved because, the problem is not the WISP, its all the 
Harry Home owner people who think they are a tech, and leave AUTO on by 
default. SO now, Harry home owner randomly interfers with WISPs all day long. 
Not just on one channel, but it randomly hops to interfere with all the 
channels. And the WISP is helpless to engineer around the problem, because 
HArry Homeowner radio keeps changing channels shortly after fixed, to create a 
problem on a different channel.

"AUTO channel Hopping" should be illegal.

With that said, FCC law requires it for DFS support.  That is hopping off 
radar channel.
If "Auto" channel selection is an ehancement that will assist using DFS more 
reliably, well then I say good job in adding it, one more step towards progress 
of FCC certifiabilty..
One day it would be nice, if UBNT can be legal at 5.3 and 5.4.  DFS enabled 
really does need abilty to define the channels that can be included or excluded 
from the hopping.




Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


>I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any 
>criteria, it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help 
>with your throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and 
>determine exactly how the "auto" selection under frequency selection works.
>In my lab it doesn't ever change no matter what kind of signal I throw 
>at it, it just stays fixed on some random channel it picks after 
>selection of the option.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert West" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
>
>
> I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down 
> to a
> 20 and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput.
>
>
>
> I just can’t argue with that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO 
> with Obey Regulatory rules checked.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sen

Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

I would be all for that but I've been having to change every couple of weeks or 
so and it has always been an ordeal to keep it all separated.  Without random 
interference my life would be a lot easier and I'd only have to deal with the 
wife and her too many sisters.  This takes a few of the sisters out of my life 
or at least it feels like it.  

They have a home...





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:13 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

As well, AUTO rarely considers that Interfernce or available channels at each 
CPE location can vary. Selecting best channel at AP, does not guaranatee all 
CPE will show up after the channel change.

As well, how do you plan area channel plans with Auto? Even if AP picks the 
best channel, it could leave your area with fewer interference free areas, 
becuase the full channel plan for all Cell APs may not be ideally selected. 
AUTO only cares about itself, not maximizing non-interferen e across your whole 
network. The last thing one wants after a big storm, is to have to log into 100 
radios to see which ones are still on their correct channel. And if there is 
interference, trying to find which radio reboot causing it.

I'm a firm believer of MANUAL SCAN, SET, and DOCUMENT.



- Original Message -
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


>I believe you're right.  I've only ran it for a week and it smoothed me out 
>but I saw a problem right away.  The client doesn't communicate any 
>frequency issue to the host, it just accepts.  I have a hub with many 
>backhauls on it with all but one set as AP WDS with the other end as 
>Station WDS.  The one that isn't is swapped so the one Station WDS in the 
>middle of all the AP's will accept a frequency that is being used right 
>next to it because the AP WDS talking to it doesn’t see the conflict.  To 
>fix, I had to swap the operation of the two.  However, with the "Never 
>changes" fact...  and it seems to be so far, I just rebooted 
>everything in the area and they all settled in.  Much, much easier.  I'm 
>sure they will eventually auto change if they have interference, (they 
>better!)  but this addition is a major time saver for me.  And the 
>shocker  It all works!  At least for me.  Lack of interference made 
>my throughput jump, obviously...  Verified with one sub who called 
>the day I was changing all the firmware and asked "Bob, why does it seem 
>slower lately?"  Today I called and asked him how it was 
>working..  "It's popping like crazy!"  Sold.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of m...@tc3net.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:31 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
> I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any 
> criteria, it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help 
> with your throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and 
> determine exactly how the "auto" selection under frequency selection 
> works. In my lab it doesn't ever change no matter what kind of signal I 
> throw at it, it just stays fixed on some random channel it picks after 
> selection of the option.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert West" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
>
>
> I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 
> 20 and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput.
>
>
>
> I just can’t argue with that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO 
> with Obey Regulatory rules checked.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability. - Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
> lesson learned the hard way……… But the latest includes channel hopping and 
> Auto channel. I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every 
> couple of weeks or so have had to cha

Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[j2840fl]

Airmax beats up on all legacy 802.11,gonna be tuff on 2.4 with all the vendors 
pushing it. :(
Sent from my BlackBerry®

-Original Message-
From: "Robert West" 
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:19:57 
To: 'WISPA General List'
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

I always make sure I have DFS enabled.  Stupid not to, IMO.  As far as Joe Blow 
home dweller.  that's why I've been trying to stick to 5GHz for the 
"Free' spectrum.  I can certainly see lots of idiotic messes if trying to use 
Auto channel in 2.4!  YIKES  

Had an issue about a week ago  Hotel I do the wireless network for.  
Not working, keeps dropping out.  Made that 2 hour drive just to find 
not one but TWO wisps  (They were not there the last time I had to do a call, 2 
years ago!  HA!) breathing down their necks with..  yes 
  AUTO CHANNEL.  Um...  Same as me!  (gulp)

It was a big fight, turned off Auto channel and it got better.  Not great but 
better.  But at least it worked.  So with that, I humbly concede to your point.


Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

As well AUTO select can be like the DEVIL, when a product is sold in volume 
and at low cost affordable by end users.
The reason is that AUTO is selfish. All it cares about is the health of its own 
link. It has no way to learn how it impacts the health of another's radio.
The last thing a WISP wants is self imposed self interference, and not know its 
even occuring, because its automatic behind hte scenes.

So... then comes addition of specifiying what channels are available to hop to, 
so that a WISP can de-select the channels that the WISP is already using at the 
cell site, to prevent a radio from hopping onto the channel of another AP.

But problem still not solved because, the problem is not the WISP, its all the 
Harry Home owner people who think they are a tech, and leave AUTO on by 
default. SO now, Harry home owner randomly interfers with WISPs all day long. 
Not just on one channel, but it randomly hops to interfere with all the 
channels. And the WISP is helpless to engineer around the problem, because 
HArry Homeowner radio keeps changing channels shortly after fixed, to create a 
problem on a different channel.

"AUTO channel Hopping" should be illegal.

With that said, FCC law requires it for DFS support.  That is hopping off 
radar channel.
If "Auto" channel selection is an ehancement that will assist using DFS more 
reliably, well then I say good job in adding it, one more step towards progress 
of FCC certifiabilty..
One day it would be nice, if UBNT can be legal at 5.3 and 5.4.  DFS enabled 
really does need abilty to define the channels that can be included or excluded 
from the hopping.




Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


>I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any 
>criteria, it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help 
>with your throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and 
>determine exactly how the "auto" selection under frequency selection works. 
>In my lab it doesn't ever change no matter what kind of signal I throw at 
>it, it just stays fixed on some random channel it picks after selection of 
>the option.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert West" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
>
>
> I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 
> 20 and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput.
>
>
>
> I just can’t argue with that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO 
> with Obey Regulatory rules checked.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability. - Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
> lesson 

Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Robert West]

They still alive?  I had stock in them back in 99.  Lost a few bucks..
$...@! It!

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

 

I an using global crossing.

On Nov 10, 2010 9:59 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:
> Costs like 35 bucks a call, right? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:41 PM
> To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
> 
> 
> 
> Wow! Do people still call 411? I cant remember the last time I did.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scott Carullo 
> wrote:
> 
> I just tested that thinking for sure I didn't care if there was an ad
> played... after all its free. But man that was painful then they try
> to get you to dial a competitor that advertises with them by hitting one
key
> instead of giving you the number you wanted lol
> 
> Do that any way for now, see how many people complain :)
> 
> 
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> From: "Nick" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:04 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
> 
> 
> 
> 1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based
> 
> On 11/10/2010 5:37 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: 
> 
> We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its going
away.
> Anyone know of a similar type service or do you guys just forward to your
> telephone provider upstream and eat the costs?
> 
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

Dunno.  We're rural and I don't see any other 5ghz radios in the scans.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jack Unger
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

  Sounds like they are smart enough to avoid interfering with each other WITHIN 
your own network but is it also your impression that they are avoiding 
interference from OTHER networks?

On 11/10/2010 7:55 PM, Robert West wrote:
> Sorry, I'll add that I don't believe it picks a random channel.  On a large 
> hub I have, I have 9 backhauls on it and with auto channel, they separate 
> very nicely.  If I reboot them all, they never ever settle on the same 
> channel. You can watch them scan if you look at the main page and they will 
> eventually settle onto a channel.  This hub had, or had, most 10MHz channels, 
> one 40MHz channel and 2 20MHz channels and with every reboot they never 
> overlapped no matter the channel width which I honestly didn’t expect.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of m...@tc3net.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:31 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
> I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any 
> criteria, it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help with 
> your throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and determine 
> exactly how the "auto" selection under frequency selection works. In my lab 
> it doesn't ever change no matter what kind of signal I throw at it, it just 
> stays fixed on some random channel it picks after selection of the option.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert West"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
>
>
> I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 20 
> and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput.
>
>
>
> I just can’t argue with that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO with 
> Obey Regulatory rules checked.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability. - Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
> lesson learned the hard way……… But the latest includes channel hopping and 
> Auto channel. I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every 
> couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my 
> UBNT radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been SOLID for 
> me for a week now. I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me. My 
> noise floor was all over the place. SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just 
> doing a simple AUTO channel. Smooth as silk! My interference is now GONE. 
> My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a 
> -95 to -100 average. Running 5GHz on all links…….. I call this one a WIN!
>
>
>
> As I said, FYI. Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta. It’s about time! J
>
>
>
> Just sharing.
>
>
>
> Me-
>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

I always make sure I have DFS enabled.  Stupid not to, IMO.  As far as Joe Blow 
home dweller.  that's why I've been trying to stick to 5GHz for the 
"Free' spectrum.  I can certainly see lots of idiotic messes if trying to use 
Auto channel in 2.4!  YIKES  

Had an issue about a week ago  Hotel I do the wireless network for.  
Not working, keeps dropping out.  Made that 2 hour drive just to find 
not one but TWO wisps  (They were not there the last time I had to do a call, 2 
years ago!  HA!) breathing down their necks with..  yes 
  AUTO CHANNEL.  Um...  Same as me!  (gulp)

It was a big fight, turned off Auto channel and it got better.  Not great but 
better.  But at least it worked.  So with that, I humbly concede to your point.


Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

As well AUTO select can be like the DEVIL, when a product is sold in volume 
and at low cost affordable by end users.
The reason is that AUTO is selfish. All it cares about is the health of its own 
link. It has no way to learn how it impacts the health of another's radio.
The last thing a WISP wants is self imposed self interference, and not know its 
even occuring, because its automatic behind hte scenes.

So... then comes addition of specifiying what channels are available to hop to, 
so that a WISP can de-select the channels that the WISP is already using at the 
cell site, to prevent a radio from hopping onto the channel of another AP.

But problem still not solved because, the problem is not the WISP, its all the 
Harry Home owner people who think they are a tech, and leave AUTO on by 
default. SO now, Harry home owner randomly interfers with WISPs all day long. 
Not just on one channel, but it randomly hops to interfere with all the 
channels. And the WISP is helpless to engineer around the problem, because 
HArry Homeowner radio keeps changing channels shortly after fixed, to create a 
problem on a different channel.

"AUTO channel Hopping" should be illegal.

With that said, FCC law requires it for DFS support.  That is hopping off 
radar channel.
If "Auto" channel selection is an ehancement that will assist using DFS more 
reliably, well then I say good job in adding it, one more step towards progress 
of FCC certifiabilty..
One day it would be nice, if UBNT can be legal at 5.3 and 5.4.  DFS enabled 
really does need abilty to define the channels that can be included or excluded 
from the hopping.




Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


>I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any 
>criteria, it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help 
>with your throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and 
>determine exactly how the "auto" selection under frequency selection works. 
>In my lab it doesn't ever change no matter what kind of signal I throw at 
>it, it just stays fixed on some random channel it picks after selection of 
>the option.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert West" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
>
>
> I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 
> 20 and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput.
>
>
>
> I just can’t argue with that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO 
> with Obey Regulatory rules checked.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability. - Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
> lesson learned the hard way……… But the latest includes channel hopping and 
> Auto channel. I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every 
> couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all 
> my UBNT radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been 
> SOLID for me for a week now. I tr

Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Tom DeReggi]

As well, AUTO rarely considers that Interfernce or available channels at 
each CPE location can vary. Selecting best channel at AP, does not 
guaranatee all CPE will show up after the channel change.

As well, how do you plan area channel plans with Auto? Even if AP picks the 
best channel, it could leave your area with fewer interference free areas, 
becuase the full channel plan for all Cell APs may not be ideally selected. 
AUTO only cares about itself, not maximizing non-interferen e across your 
whole network. The last thing one wants after a big storm, is to have to log 
into 100 radios to see which ones are still on their correct channel. And if 
there is interference, trying to find which radio reboot causing it.

I'm a firm believer of MANUAL SCAN, SET, and DOCUMENT.



- Original Message - 
From: "Robert West" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


>I believe you're right.  I've only ran it for a week and it smoothed me out 
>but I saw a problem right away.  The client doesn't communicate any 
>frequency issue to the host, it just accepts.  I have a hub with many 
>backhauls on it with all but one set as AP WDS with the other end as 
>Station WDS.  The one that isn't is swapped so the one Station WDS in the 
>middle of all the AP's will accept a frequency that is being used right 
>next to it because the AP WDS talking to it doesn’t see the conflict.  To 
>fix, I had to swap the operation of the two.  However, with the "Never 
>changes" fact...  and it seems to be so far, I just rebooted 
>everything in the area and they all settled in.  Much, much easier.  I'm 
>sure they will eventually auto change if they have interference, (they 
>better!)  but this addition is a major time saver for me.  And the 
>shocker  It all works!  At least for me.  Lack of interference made 
>my throughput jump, obviously...  Verified with one sub who called 
>the day I was changing all the firmware and asked "Bob, why does it seem 
>slower lately?"  Today I called and asked him how it was 
>working..  "It's popping like crazy!"  Sold.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of m...@tc3net.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:31 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
> I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any 
> criteria, it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help 
> with your throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and 
> determine exactly how the "auto" selection under frequency selection 
> works. In my lab it doesn't ever change no matter what kind of signal I 
> throw at it, it just stays fixed on some random channel it picks after 
> selection of the option.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert West" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
>
>
> I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 
> 20 and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput.
>
>
>
> I just can’t argue with that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO 
> with Obey Regulatory rules checked.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability. - Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
> lesson learned the hard way……… But the latest includes channel hopping and 
> Auto channel. I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every 
> couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all 
> my UBNT radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been 
> SOLID for me for a week now. I tried the channel hopping but it was too 
> busy for me. My noise floor was all over the place. SUCKED and way too 
> random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel. Smooth as silk! My 
> interference is now GONE. My throughput has increased and my noise floor 
> went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average. Running 5GHz on all 
> links…….. I call this one a WIN!
>
>
>
> As I said, FYI. Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta. It’s about time! J
>
>
>
> J

Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Josh Luthman]

I an using global crossing.
On Nov 10, 2010 9:59 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:
> Costs like 35 bucks a call, right?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:41 PM
> To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
>
>
>
> Wow! Do people still call 411? I cant remember the last time I did.
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scott Carullo 
> wrote:
>
> I just tested that thinking for sure I didn't care if there was an ad
> played... after all its free. But man that was painful then they try
> to get you to dial a competitor that advertises with them by hitting one
key
> instead of giving you the number you wanted lol
>
> Do that any way for now, see how many people complain :)
>
>
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
> 
>
>
>
> _
>
> From: "Nick" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:04 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
>
>
>
> 1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based
>
> On 11/10/2010 5:37 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>
> We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its going
away.
> Anyone know of a similar type service or do you guys just forward to your
> telephone provider upstream and eat the costs?
>
> Scott Carullo
> Technical Operations
> 855-FLSPEED x102
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Jack Unger]

  Sounds like they are smart enough to avoid interfering with each other WITHIN 
your own network but is it also your impression that they are avoiding 
interference from OTHER networks?

On 11/10/2010 7:55 PM, Robert West wrote:
> Sorry, I'll add that I don't believe it picks a random channel.  On a large 
> hub I have, I have 9 backhauls on it and with auto channel, they separate 
> very nicely.  If I reboot them all, they never ever settle on the same 
> channel. You can watch them scan if you look at the main page and they will 
> eventually settle onto a channel.  This hub had, or had, most 10MHz channels, 
> one 40MHz channel and 2 20MHz channels and with every reboot they never 
> overlapped no matter the channel width which I honestly didn’t expect.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of m...@tc3net.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:31 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
> I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any 
> criteria, it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help with 
> your throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and determine 
> exactly how the "auto" selection under frequency selection works. In my lab 
> it doesn't ever change no matter what kind of signal I throw at it, it just 
> stays fixed on some random channel it picks after selection of the option.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert West"
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
>
>
> I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 20 
> and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput.
>
>
>
> I just can’t argue with that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO with 
> Obey Regulatory rules checked.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability. - Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
> lesson learned the hard way……… But the latest includes channel hopping and 
> Auto channel. I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every 
> couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my 
> UBNT radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been SOLID for 
> me for a week now. I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me. My 
> noise floor was all over the place. SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just 
> doing a simple AUTO channel. Smooth as silk! My interference is now GONE. 
> My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a 
> -95 to -100 average. Running 5GHz on all links…….. I call this one a WIN!
>
>
>
> As I said, FYI. Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta. It’s about time! J
>
>
>
> Just sharing.
>
>
>
> Me-
>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Tom DeReggi]

As well AUTO select can be like the DEVIL, when a product is sold in 
volume and at low cost affordable by end users.
The reason is that AUTO is selfish. All it cares about is the health of its 
own link. It has no way to learn how it impacts the health of another's 
radio.
The last thing a WISP wants is self imposed self interference, and not know 
its even occuring, because its automatic behind hte scenes.

So... then comes addition of specifiying what channels are available to hop 
to, so that a WISP can de-select the channels that the WISP is already using 
at the cell site, to prevent a radio from hopping onto the channel of 
another AP.

But problem still not solved because, the problem is not the WISP, its all 
the Harry Home owner people who think they are a tech, and leave AUTO on by 
default. SO now, Harry home owner randomly interfers with WISPs all day 
long. Not just on one channel, but it randomly hops to interfere with all 
the channels. And the WISP is helpless to engineer around the problem, 
because HArry Homeowner radio keeps changing channels shortly after fixed, 
to create a problem on a different channel.

"AUTO channel Hopping" should be illegal.

With that said, FCC law requires it for DFS support.  That is hopping 
off radar channel.
If "Auto" channel selection is an ehancement that will assist using DFS more 
reliably, well then I say good job in adding it, one more step towards 
progress of FCC certifiabilty..
One day it would be nice, if UBNT can be legal at 5.3 and 5.4.  DFS enabled 
really does need abilty to define the channels that can be included or 
excluded from the hopping.




Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel


>I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any 
>criteria, it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help 
>with your throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and 
>determine exactly how the "auto" selection under frequency selection works. 
>In my lab it doesn't ever change no matter what kind of signal I throw at 
>it, it just stays fixed on some random channel it picks after selection of 
>the option.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert West" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
>
>
> I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 
> 20 and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput.
>
>
>
> I just can’t argue with that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO 
> with Obey Regulatory rules checked.
>
>
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel
>
>
>
> I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability. - Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote:
>
> FYI
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, 
> lesson learned the hard way……… But the latest includes channel hopping and 
> Auto channel. I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every 
> couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all 
> my UBNT radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been 
> SOLID for me for a week now. I tried the channel hopping but it was too 
> busy for me. My noise floor was all over the place. SUCKED and way too 
> random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel. Smooth as silk! My 
> interference is now GONE. My throughput has increased and my noise floor 
> went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average. Running 5GHz on all 
> links…….. I call this one a WIN!
>
>
>
> As I said, FYI. Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta. It’s about time! J
>
>
>
> Just sharing.
>
>
>
> Me-
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Robert West]

Costs like 35 bucks a call, right?  

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:41 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

 

Wow! Do people still call 411? I cant remember the last time I did.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scott Carullo 
wrote:

I just tested that thinking for sure I didn't care if there was an ad
played...  after all its free.   But man that was painful  then they try
to get you to dial a competitor that advertises with them by hitting one key
instead of giving you the number you wanted lol

Do that any way for now, see how many people complain :)

 

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 

  _  

From: "Nick" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:04 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411



1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based

On 11/10/2010 5:37 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: 

We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its going away.
Anyone know of a similar type service or do you guys just forward to your
telephone provider upstream and eat the costs?

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

Sorry, I'll add that I don't believe it picks a random channel.  On a large hub 
I have, I have 9 backhauls on it and with auto channel, they separate very 
nicely.  If I reboot them all, they never ever settle on the same channel. You 
can watch them scan if you look at the main page and they will eventually 
settle onto a channel.  This hub had, or had, most 10MHz channels, one 40MHz 
channel and 2 20MHz channels and with every reboot they never overlapped no 
matter the channel width which I honestly didn’t expect.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of m...@tc3net.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any criteria, 
it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help with your 
throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and determine exactly 
how the "auto" selection under frequency selection works. In my lab it doesn't 
ever change no matter what kind of signal I throw at it, it just stays fixed on 
some random channel it picks after selection of the option.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Robert West" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel





I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 20 
and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput. 



I just can’t argue with that. 









From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert West 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel 



The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO with 
Obey Regulatory rules checked. 



Bob- 









From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel 



I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability. - Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com 


On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote: 

FYI 



I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, lesson 
learned the hard way……… But the latest includes channel hopping and Auto 
channel. I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every couple of 
weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my UBNT 
radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been SOLID for me for 
a week now. I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me. My noise 
floor was all over the place. SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just doing a 
simple AUTO channel. Smooth as silk! My interference is now GONE. My 
throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a -95 
to -100 average. Running 5GHz on all links…….. I call this one a WIN! 



As I said, FYI. Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta. It’s about time! J 



Just sharing. 



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

I believe you're right.  I've only ran it for a week and it smoothed me out but 
I saw a problem right away.  The client doesn't communicate any frequency issue 
to the host, it just accepts.  I have a hub with many backhauls on it with all 
but one set as AP WDS with the other end as Station WDS.  The one that isn't is 
swapped so the one Station WDS in the middle of all the AP's will accept a 
frequency that is being used right next to it because the AP WDS talking to it 
doesn’t see the conflict.  To fix, I had to swap the operation of the two.  
However, with the "Never changes" fact...  and it seems to be so far, I 
just rebooted everything in the area and they all settled in.  Much, much 
easier.  I'm sure they will eventually auto change if they have interference, 
(they better!)  but this addition is a major time saver for me.  And the 
shocker  It all works!  At least for me.  Lack of interference made my 
throughput jump, obviously...  Verified with one sub who called the day 
I was changing all the firmware and asked "Bob, why does it seem slower 
lately?"  Today I called and asked him how it was working.. 
 "It's popping like crazy!"  Sold.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of m...@tc3net.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any criteria, 
it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help with your 
throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and determine exactly 
how the "auto" selection under frequency selection works. In my lab it doesn't 
ever change no matter what kind of signal I throw at it, it just stays fixed on 
some random channel it picks after selection of the option.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Robert West" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel





I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 20 
and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput. 



I just can’t argue with that. 









From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert West 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel 



The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO with 
Obey Regulatory rules checked. 



Bob- 









From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel 



I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability. - Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com 


On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote: 

FYI 



I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, lesson 
learned the hard way……… But the latest includes channel hopping and Auto 
channel. I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every couple of 
weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my UBNT 
radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been SOLID for me for 
a week now. I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me. My noise 
floor was all over the place. SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just doing a 
simple AUTO channel. Smooth as silk! My interference is now GONE. My 
throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a -95 
to -100 average. Running 5GHz on all links…….. I call this one a WIN! 



As I said, FYI. Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta. It’s about time! J 



Just sharing. 



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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[RickG]

Send them here, lol: http://www.humorhotlines.com/

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:

> It never fails. We usually have atleast 30 411 calls and one 911 call.
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 9:40 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
> Wow! Do people still call 411? I cant remember the last time I did.
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scott Carullo <
> sc...@brevardwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> I just tested that thinking for sure I didn't care if there was an ad
>> played...  after all its free.   But man that was painful  then they try
>> to get you to dial a competitor that advertises with them by hitting one key
>> instead of giving you the number you wanted lol
>>
>> Do that any way for now, see how many people complain :)
>>
>>
>> Scott Carullo
>> Technical Operations
>> 855-FLSPEED x102
>>
>>
>>
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>> 1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based
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>> We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its going
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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Jeremie Chism]

It never fails. We usually have atleast 30 411 calls and one 911 call. 

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On Nov 10, 2010, at 9:40 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Wow! Do people still call 411? I cant remember the last time I did.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scott Carullo  
> wrote:
> I just tested that thinking for sure I didn't care if there was an ad 
> played...  after all its free.   But man that was painful  then they try 
> to get you to dial a competitor that advertises with them by hitting one key 
> instead of giving you the number you wanted lol
> 
> Do that any way for now, see how many people complain :)
> 
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> Scott Carullo
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> From: "Nick" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:04 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
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> 1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based
> 
> On 11/10/2010 5:37 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>> 
>> We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its going away. 
>>  Anyone know of a similar type service or do you guys just forward to your 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

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Ditto!

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Robert West wrote:

> FYI
>
>
>
> I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
> lesson learned the hard way………  But the latest includes channel hopping and
> Auto channel.  I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every
> couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
> my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been
> SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
> busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
> random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
> interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
> went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
> links……..  I call this one a WIN!
>
>
>
> As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It’s about time!  J
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> Just sharing.
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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

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Wow! Do people still call 411? I cant remember the last time I did.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:

> I just tested that thinking for sure I didn't care if there was an ad
> played...  after all its free.   But man that was painful  then they try
> to get you to dial a competitor that advertises with them by hitting one key
> instead of giving you the number you wanted lol
>
> Do that any way for now, see how many people complain :)
>
>
> Scott Carullo
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>
>
>
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> *Sent*: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:04 PM
> *To*: wireless@wispa.org
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411
>
>
> 1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based
>
> On 11/10/2010 5:37 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
>
> We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its going
> away.  Anyone know of a similar type service or do you guys just forward to
> your telephone provider upstream and eat the costs?
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[mike]

I don't believe auto channel is intelligent, or changes based on any criteria, 
it just randomly picks a channel. I'm not sure it should help with your 
throughput. I've got a post open on their forum to try and determine exactly 
how the "auto" selection under frequency selection works. In my lab it doesn't 
ever change no matter what kind of signal I throw at it, it just stays fixed on 
some random channel it picks after selection of the option.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:25:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel





I’d add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 20 
and a few 20’s down to 10 and still keep my throughput. 



I just can’t argue with that. 









From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert West 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel 



The 5.3 Beta 2 does. I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO with 
Obey Regulatory rules checked. 



Bob- 









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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel 



I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability. - Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com 


On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote: 

FYI 



I’m hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, lesson 
learned the hard way……… But the latest includes channel hopping and Auto 
channel. I’ve had ongoing issues with random interference and every couple of 
weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my UBNT 
radios. But I took the plunge with this new beta and it’s been SOLID for me for 
a week now. I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me. My noise 
floor was all over the place. SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just doing a 
simple AUTO channel. Smooth as silk! My interference is now GONE. My 
throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a -95 
to -100 average. Running 5GHz on all links…….. I call this one a WIN! 



As I said, FYI. Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta. It’s about time! J 



Just sharing. 



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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

I'd add that because of this, I was able to reduce a 40MHz link down to a 20
and a few 20's down to 10 and still keep my throughput.  

 

I just can't argue with that.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:43 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

The 5.3 Beta 2 does.  I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO with
Obey Regulatory rules checked.

 

Bob-

 

 

 

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability.

 
-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote: 

FYI

 

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

 

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

 

Just sharing.

 

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

The 5.3 Beta 2 does.  I leave AirSelect off but set the channel to AUTO with
Obey Regulatory rules checked.

 

Bob-

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability.



 
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On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote: 

FYI

 

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

 

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

 

Just sharing.

 

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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Scott Carullo]

I just tested that thinking for sure I didn't care if there was an ad 
played...  after all its free.   But man that was painful  then they 
try to get you to dial a competitor that advertises with them by hitting 
one key instead of giving you the number you wanted lol

Do that any way for now, see how many people complain :)

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102



From: "Nick" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:04 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based

On 11/10/2010 5:37 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess
tomorrow its going away.  Anyone know of a similar type service
or do you guys just forward to your telephone provider upstream
and eat the costs?

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Re: [WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Nick]

1-800-FREE411? It's ad-based

On 11/10/2010 5:37 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its going 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Mike Hammett]

I wasn't aware they had an auto frequency ability.

-
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On 11/10/2010 7:32 PM, Robert West wrote:


FYI

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale 
deployment, lesson learned the hard way.  But the latest 
includes channel hopping and Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues 
with random interference and every couple of weeks or so have had to 
change my frequencies on pretty much all my UBNT radios.  But I took 
the plunge with this new beta and it's been SOLID for me for a week 
now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me.  My 
noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too random for me 
BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My 
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise 
floor went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz 
on all links  I call this one a WIN!


As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time! J

Just sharing.

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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

HAHAHA!!!  Hey, it would work if it was GPS enabled!Then I could hire
six year olds as installers.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

 

I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it
in.  It figures out what to do where...  

They can call it AIRverywhere

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102

   

 

  _  

From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

FYI

 

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

 

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

 

Just sharing.

 

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[WISPA] OT - VoIP 411

[Scott Carullo]

We pointed voip 411 calls to google 411 but I guess tomorrow its going 
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Scott Carullo]

I'd pay a little more when they come out with the auto-install feature...

Maybe one day - Auto-Everything.   Just take it out of the box and plug it in.  
It figures out what to do where...

They can call it AIRverywhere

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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:31 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel



FYI

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment, lesson 
learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and Auto 
channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every couple of 
weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all my UBNT 
radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been SOLID for me 
for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too busy for me.  My 
noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too random for me BUT just 
doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My interference is now GONE. 
 My throughput has increased and my noise floor went from an average -85 to a 
-95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all links  I call this one a WIN!

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

Just sharing.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Robert West]

I've had a 12 mile link just using 29dBi Pac grid and 5M Bullets, 10MHz
channel pushing 30Mbps for a solid year now.  Subs only peak at 4.5 so I
have lots of room left.  Was running 20Mhz but it was a waste of spectrum.

 

 

Reliable as heck.

 

 

 

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Behalf Of Nick
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:28 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

 

Have one running at 10 miles, LOS, 10Mhz channel. Tests max out around 45mb
one direction. Peak usage is currently only 6-7 Mbps. Been rock solid for
almost 5 months.

Nick

On 11/10/2010 11:11 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: 

Anyone have a similar link running? Happy with it?

 

- Jerry

 

 
 
 
 


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[WISPA] UBNT AUTO Channel

[Robert West]

FYI

 

I'm hesitant to jump into UBNT Beta firmware for large scale deployment,
lesson learned the hard way...  But the latest includes channel hopping and
Auto channel.  I've had ongoing issues with random interference and every
couple of weeks or so have had to change my frequencies on pretty much all
my UBNT radios.  But I took the plunge with this new beta and it's been
SOLID for me for a week now.  I tried the channel hopping but it was too
busy for me.  My noise floor was all over the place.  SUCKED and way too
random for me BUT just doing a simple AUTO channel.  Smooth as silk!  My
interference is now GONE.  My throughput has increased and my noise floor
went from an average -85 to a -95 to -100 average.  Running 5GHz on all
links  I call this one a WIN!

 

As I said, FYI.  Nothing but good on this UBNT Beta.  It's about time!  J

 

Just sharing.

 

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Re: [WISPA] New UBNT 900 gear

[Scott Carullo]

I found some just yesterday got lucky...  I'm not telling where either lol

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102



From: "Travis Johnson" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 3:25 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New UBNT 900 gear

Stock was gone a month ago... before it ever arrived.

On 11/9/2010 12:30 PM, rwf wrote:
> Anyone tried any of the UBNT 900 gear yet?
> How did it work?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Robert West]

Same here.  I'd stick with the Rocket Dish.  



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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

The calculator indicated a great link.

However it's moot since they are out of stock everywhere.

Turns out it's less cost to use 30dB dishes and Rockets with more margin

Jerry Richardson
Sent Mobile

On Nov 10, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"   
wrote:

> for 12 miles, I would do a Rocket Dish, over PowerBridge.
> the 34 db dish would be better.
>
> Use the UBNT calculator to figure things out...
>
> We have two Rocket Dishes working on a 9 mile link.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
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Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

[Robert West]

Same here.  I can do 99% of the site survey in the office using Google Earth
and drawing paths around trees to the site.  We can tell pretty much spot on
where we need to locate the RX and if it will be a go before we even go out.


 

Bob-

 

 

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Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 1:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

 

Yep, We tell the customer we will come out and make every attempt to get
service installed. If we are not successful, no charge.

 

- Jerry

 

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

 

That's what we're doing now too.

 

Wouldn't be so bad if most of the work was less than 40 miles away I suppose
:-)

marlon

 

- Original Message - 

From: Mike Hammett   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:45 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

 

Agreed.  Site surveys are a waste of time.  If you're there, just install
the customer.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
 


On 11/9/2010 12:15 PM, Jim Patient wrote: 

We stopped doing "site surveys".  If they show they are covered on our Radio
Mobile Google Earth overlays,  we schedule an install.  If they don't get a
good signal then we don't charge them anything.  We had too many great
signals with "ok I'll talk to my wife and get back with you".

Jim Patient 
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Desk: 636-692-4200 
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On 11/5/2010 10:53 PM, Liam Cummings wrote: 

Anyone know of a place where I can get some sort of telescoping mast that I
can tow behind me in my truck or maybe just put on my tow hitch? Oh yeah and
it needs to be cheap too.  I want to start using something like this for our
site surveys because it would be much easier than getting out the
telescoping pole we use and having someone hold it steady with a radio on
it. I was thinking of just making one myself but even the telescoping pole
itself is hard to find.

 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Travis Johnson]

I have a few brand new ones (still sealed) I would let go if you really 
wanted them... hit me offlist.

Travis
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On 11/10/2010 4:16 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> The calculator indicated a great link.
>
> However it's moot since they are out of stock everywhere.
>
> Turns out it's less cost to use 30dB dishes and Rockets with more margin
>
> Jerry Richardson
> Sent Mobile
>
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
> wrote:
>
>> for 12 miles, I would do a Rocket Dish, over PowerBridge.
>> the 34 db dish would be better.
>>
>> Use the UBNT calculator to figure things out...
>>
>> We have two Rocket Dishes working on a 9 mile link.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/2010 2:11 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Jerry Richardson]

The calculator indicated a great link.

However it's moot since they are out of stock everywhere.

Turns out it's less cost to use 30dB dishes and Rockets with more margin

Jerry Richardson
Sent Mobile

On Nov 10, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"   
wrote:

> for 12 miles, I would do a Rocket Dish, over PowerBridge.
> the 34 db dish would be better.
>
> Use the UBNT calculator to figure things out...
>
> We have two Rocket Dishes working on a 9 mile link.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
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> On 11/10/2010 2:11 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Thanks Fred, I could not have said it better.
(The big issue on our neck of the woods is high noise floor as well..)

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On 11/10/2010 3:16 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 11/10/2010 03:08 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> 34dB isn't FCC legal in the US...30dB is.
>> Regards,
>
> On the 5.725-5.850 band, point to point links have no ERP legal limit.
> 34 dB antenna gain with +27 transmitters (up to +30 is legal) would be fine.
>
> But it strikes me as overkill for such a shot, unless you're shooting
> for really high speed, or have a lot of weather fade (probably true down
> in Faisal's area!).
>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz > > wrote:
>>
>> for 12 miles, I would do a Rocket Dish, over PowerBridge.
>> the 34 db dish would be better.
>>
>> Use the UBNT calculator to figure things out...
>>
>> We have two Rocket Dishes working on a 9 mile link.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>
>>
>> On 11/10/2010 2:11 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> > Anyone have a similar link running? Happy with it?
>> >
>> > - Jerry
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Jon Auer]

Master sees slave at -63
Slave sees master at -62.

TX/RX Rate:117.0 Mbps / 117.0 Mbps

I've tested it to 40x40Mbpx FDX. Haven't bothered to test beyond that.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
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> This is two PBM5's? What signal levels are you seeing?
>
> this is the caclulator results for the 12 mile link:
>
> - Jerry
>
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> We have one at 6.5 miles. Very happy with it.
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Jerry Richardson
>  wrote:
> > Anyone have a similar link running? Happy with it?
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Fred Goldstein]

At 11/10/2010 03:08 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

34dB isn't FCC legal in the US...30dB is.
Regards,


On the 5.725-5.850 band, point to point links have no ERP legal 
limit.  34 dB antenna gain with +27 transmitters (up to +30 is legal) 
would be fine.


But it strikes me as overkill for such a shot, unless you're shooting 
for really high speed, or have a lot of weather fade (probably true 
down in Faisal's area!).



Chuck


On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
<fai...@snappydsl.net> wrote:

for 12 miles, I would do a Rocket Dish, over PowerBridge.
the 34 db dish would be better.

Use the UBNT calculator to figure things out...

We have two Rocket Dishes working on a 9 mile link.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 11/10/2010 2:11 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Chuck Hogg]

34dB isn't FCC legal in the US...30dB is.
Regards,

Chuck


On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> for 12 miles, I would do a Rocket Dish, over PowerBridge.
> the 34 db dish would be better.
>
> Use the UBNT calculator to figure things out...
>
> We have two Rocket Dishes working on a 9 mile link.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
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> On 11/10/2010 2:11 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Faisal Imtiaz]

for 12 miles, I would do a Rocket Dish, over PowerBridge.
the 34 db dish would be better.

Use the UBNT calculator to figure things out...

We have two Rocket Dishes working on a 9 mile link.

Regards.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Jerry Richardson]

This is two PBM5's? What signal levels are you seeing?

this is the caclulator results for the 12 mile link:


- Jerry


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We have one at 6.5 miles. Very happy with it.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Mike Hammett]

At that range, I'd be more inclined to think you'd want the Rockets.

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Nick]

Have one running at 10 miles, LOS, 10Mhz channel. Tests max out around 
45mb one direction. Peak usage is currently only 6-7 Mbps. Been rock 
solid for almost 5 months.


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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Jon Auer]

We have one at 6.5 miles. Very happy with it.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Jerry Richardson
 wrote:
> Anyone have a similar link running? Happy with it?
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Re: [WISPA] PPPoE Termination point -- NOC or Tower

[chris]

What kind of AP’s do you use? We use Mikrotik AP’s and the PPPOE is done at the 
tower. We use a Radius server to centralize the management of the customers. 

Chris

If you don’t use Mikrotik’s already then a 493ah would be a good solution.


From: Marco Coelho 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:33 AM
To: motor...@afmug.com ; WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] PPPoE Termination point -- NOC or Tower

We're at another growth milestone and are evaluating some network changes.  We 
are planning on doubling our network footprint this next quarter.

Currently, we terminate all PPPoE connections at a main NOC.  This has shown 
some limitations as time has gone on.  They are manageable, but it would be 
better not having to deal with.

We are looking into installing small servers at each tower and just running 
OSPF between that tower and our NOCs.  This would tend to make cpe connections 
more robust as packet loss due to interference caused by a clueless or 
unscrupulous competitor would not leave the customers linksys router lost.

What are are the general opinions here on this?

If tower site termination is the norm, what hardware (extended temp range) are 
you using at the towers?

Microtik or other software?



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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Josh Luthman]

I just did mine nlos at a mile and a half.  Getting 100 megs one way and
about 80 megs on a duplex test.  Used the airos test built in.
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[WISPA] Ubiquity PowerBridge5M @ 12miles

[Jerry Richardson]

Anyone have a similar link running? Happy with it?

- Jerry




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Re: [WISPA] rebooting Tranzeo TR-902

[Chris Gotstein]

Yes, the clients are remaining the same, mostly TR-SL9's.  I sent off
the the config in an earlier email, but basically to rehash, it's a
Mikrotik RB411AH with a GZ901 radio card in it.

   
Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
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On 11/10/2010 11:44 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
> If you move the AP to Mikrotic are you retaining the TR-902 as CPE's?
> If so exactly what Mikrotic are you using.
> Thanx
> NGL
> 
> --
> From: "Chris Gotstein" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:38 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] rebooting Tranzeo TR-902
> 
>> I have seen this happen many times with our 902 AP as well.  Usually
>> what happens is you have a couple clients that have really poor signals
>> or modulation and that seems to take down the AP.  If you remove those
>> users from the AP, it will usually clear things up.  Another reason i'm
>> moving away from the TR-902 as an AP and over to Mikrotik.
>>
>>    
>> Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
>> http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
>>
>> On 11/9/2010 10:05 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>>> Anyone having trouble with TR-902's staying linked? It seems some of the
>>> clients have to be rebooted 2 - 3 times a day and the TR-902 APs need to
>>> be rebooted a at least once time a day. Firmware is TR6-5.0.5Rt. Any
>>> help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

[richard sterne]

I dont do a site survey, I just look at Google maps to see how the land lies
and if it looks ok go and do a test if ok do install.

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Re: [WISPA] Inventory Management

[Marlon K. Schafer]

We just have shelf space for the things we need.  In addition to the part 
number we have a minimum stock number on the label too.  When someone sees 
the level low we order more.

There are inventory management mechanisms for more complicated problems than 
that.  PeachTree did a nice job of inventory management back when I used it 
10 years ago.  I assume it's even better and easier to program now.

marlon

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Inventory Management


> What if anything is everybody using for inventory management of your 
> various equipment products?
>
> We are beginning to carry more "stock" for items/projects but we need a 
> way to track and account for inventory.  Is anybody else dealing with 
> this?
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Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

[Josh Luthman]

Same
On Nov 10, 2010 12:00 PM, "Jerry Richardson" 
wrote:
> Yep, We tell the customer we will come out and make every attempt to get
service installed. If we are not successful, no charge.
>
> - Jerry
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:53 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast
>
> That's what we're doing now too.
>
> Wouldn't be so bad if most of the work was less than 40 miles away I
suppose :-)
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Mike Hammett
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast
>
> Agreed. Site surveys are a waste of time. If you're there, just install
the customer.
>
>
> -
>
> Mike Hammett
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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>
> On 11/9/2010 12:15 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
> We stopped doing "site surveys". If they show they are covered on our
Radio Mobile Google Earth overlays, we schedule an install. If they don't
get a good signal then we don't charge them anything. We had too many great
signals with "ok I'll talk to my wife and get back with you".
>
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> Jim Patient
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> www.wifimidwest.com
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> On 11/5/2010 10:53 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
> Anyone know of a place where I can get some sort of telescoping mast that
I can tow behind me in my truck or maybe just put on my tow hitch? Oh yeah
and it needs to be cheap too. I want to start using something like this for
our site surveys because it would be much easier than getting out the
telescoping pole we use and having someone hold it steady with a radio on
it. I was thinking of just making one myself but even the telescoping pole
itself is hard to find.
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Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

[Jerry Richardson]

Yep, We tell the customer we will come out and make every attempt to get 
service installed. If we are not successful, no charge.

- Jerry

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

That's what we're doing now too.

Wouldn't be so bad if most of the work was less than 40 miles away I suppose :-)
marlon

- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

Agreed.  Site surveys are a waste of time.  If you're there, just install the 
customer.


-

Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions

http://www.ics-il.com



On 11/9/2010 12:15 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
We stopped doing "site surveys".  If they show they are covered on our Radio 
Mobile Google Earth overlays,  we schedule an install.  If they don't get a 
good signal then we don't charge them anything.  We had too many great signals 
with "ok I'll talk to my wife and get back with you".


Jim Patient

Cell: 314-565-6863

Desk: 636-692-4200

YIM: jeffcosoho

www.wlan1.com

www.linktechs.net

www.wifimidwest.com

On 11/5/2010 10:53 PM, Liam Cummings wrote:
Anyone know of a place where I can get some sort of telescoping mast that I can 
tow behind me in my truck or maybe just put on my tow hitch? Oh yeah and it 
needs to be cheap too.  I want to start using something like this for our site 
surveys because it would be much easier than getting out the telescoping pole 
we use and having someone hold it steady with a radio on it. I was thinking of 
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Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast

[Marlon K. Schafer]

That's what we're doing now too.

Wouldn't be so bad if most of the work was less than 40 miles away I suppose :-)
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Telescoping Mast


  Agreed.  Site surveys are a waste of time.  If you're there, just install the 
customer.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


  On 11/9/2010 12:15 PM, Jim Patient wrote: 
We stopped doing "site surveys".  If they show they are covered on our 
Radio Mobile Google Earth overlays,  we schedule an install.  If they don't get 
a good signal then we don't charge them anything.  We had too many great 
signals with "ok I'll talk to my wife and get back with you".

Jim Patient 
Cell: 314-565-6863 
Desk: 636-692-4200 
YIM: jeffcosoho
www.wlan1.com
www.linktechs.net
www.wifimidwest.com
On 11/5/2010 10:53 PM, Liam Cummings wrote: 
  Anyone know of a place where I can get some sort of telescoping mast that 
I can tow behind me in my truck or maybe just put on my tow hitch? Oh yeah and 
it needs to be cheap too.  I want to start using something like this for our 
site surveys because it would be much easier than getting out the telescoping 
pole we use and having someone hold it steady with a radio on it. I was 
thinking of just making one myself but even the telescoping pole itself is hard 
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Re: [WISPA] rebooting Tranzeo TR-902

[~NGL~]

If you move the AP to Mikrotic are you retaining the TR-902 as CPE's?
If so exactly what Mikrotic are you using.
Thanx
NGL

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From: "Chris Gotstein" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:38 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] rebooting Tranzeo TR-902

> I have seen this happen many times with our 902 AP as well.  Usually
> what happens is you have a couple clients that have really poor signals
> or modulation and that seems to take down the AP.  If you remove those
> users from the AP, it will usually clear things up.  Another reason i'm
> moving away from the TR-902 as an AP and over to Mikrotik.
>
>    
> Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P.
> http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
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> On 11/9/2010 10:05 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>> Anyone having trouble with TR-902's staying linked? It seems some of the
>> clients have to be rebooted 2 - 3 times a day and the TR-902 APs need to
>> be rebooted a at least once time a day. Firmware is TR6-5.0.5Rt. Any
>> help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Yeah, it's a pain no matter how you slice it.

We used Word, Access, Excell, QuickBooks and paper files for much of what you 
are talking about.

That's why we're implementing FreeSide.  It's going to help with some of the 
clutter.  But not all of it.

Takes about 45 minutes for us to add a new customer or take an old one out via 
the old system.  We're hoping to get that under 15 minutes with Freeside.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Nash 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 1:34 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Systems Management - Process


  This is lengthy, but worth discussion, I think...

  I just had a long meeting with our general manager about Systems Management 
(monitoring, documenting, updating, etc)

  Let me explain...

  We ALL have systems to

  1. monitor our network
  2. document our systems (IP addresses, equipment type, etc)
  3. document our IP usage (subnets, routing, etc)

  We probably all have this information in different places.

  As our networks and number of devices grow these systems can get out-of-hand 
and OUT-OF SYNC with each other!

  Unless there is a good process in place to ensure that these systems get 
updated when components on our networks are added/removed/replaced/changed.

  For instance... A new customer is added to our network... Information about 
that new customer goes into:

  - billing (several things here...email address verified, pro-rate amount 
added for first month, valid billing address, name spelled correctly, correct 
price, contract signed & stored, etc)
  - nagios (to monitor)
  - IP documentation (so we don't duplicate IPs)
  - equipment documentation (so we know what we're dealing with if we have to 
go out there again)
  - name the association on the AP so it's easily identifiable

  Then if that customer cancels...

  - remove from billing
  - remove from Nagios (so we stop monitoring)
  - remove from IP documentation (so we can re-use that IP)
  - remove equipment documentation

  Or if that customer has to change towers on our network...

  - change monitored IP address
  - change IP documentation (so we can re-use the old IP)
  - change equipment documentation (if necessary)
  - name the association on the new AP so it's easily identifiable

  Now let's consider replacing a backhaul goes down...

  - change the routing to go to use a backup backhaul (we're using manual 
re-routing, not autmatic)
  - change the hierarchy in our monitoring system (we use Nagios "Parents" so 
that devices that are behind a "Down" device is not "Down" itself, just 
"Unreachable" - saves the inbox from getting blasted if a backhaul goes down
  - change the monitored IP address for the router at that site so we're 
monitoring an IP address that is going over the backup backhaul

  Then you get it back up and you have to change these things back.

  My point of all of this is that there are a TON of details to take care of, 
and if you try to grow fast you need systems and protocol in place to deal with 
all of this information.  Things get forgotten about, and your system can be a 
mess before you know it.

  We have used the method of using checklists for client changes (new customer, 
repair order, disconnect).  

  We're just now getting into cleaning up our systems & documentation on 
infrastructure components (routers & backhauls & APs - OH MY!!!).  We have alot 
of information about the initial deployment of infrastructure equipment, but as 
changes have happened, we have not kept up with it.

  So we're looking at expanding upon our checklists for when infrastructure 
components are deployed/changed/removed.  We think this will help the chaos.

  How about you?


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Re: [WISPA] rebooting Tranzeo TR-902

[Chris Gotstein]

I have seen this happen many times with our 902 AP as well.  Usually
what happens is you have a couple clients that have really poor signals
or modulation and that seems to take down the AP.  If you remove those
users from the AP, it will usually clear things up.  Another reason i'm
moving away from the TR-902 as an AP and over to Mikrotik.

   
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On 11/9/2010 10:05 AM, ~NGL~ wrote:
> Anyone having trouble with TR-902's staying linked? It seems some of the
> clients have to be rebooted 2 - 3 times a day and the TR-902 APs need to
> be rebooted a at least once time a day. Firmware is TR6-5.0.5Rt. Any
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Re: [WISPA] Service in Vero Beach, FL.

[RickG]

http://www.pdmnet.com/

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Dylan Bouterse wrote:

> Looking for service at 2600 45th Street, Vero Beach FL. At least
> 1.5-3mb.
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Re: [WISPA] PPPoE Termination point -- NOC or Tower

[Mike Hammett]

I use Mikrotik RB493AH now.  If you need something bigger, look at the 
other RouterBoards.


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On 11/10/2010 10:33 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
We're at another growth milestone and are evaluating some network 
changes.  We are planning on doubling our network footprint this next 
quarter.


Currently, we terminate all PPPoE connections at a main NOC.  This has 
shown some limitations as time has gone on.  They are manageable, but 
it would be better not having to deal with.


We are looking into installing small servers at each tower and just 
running OSPF between that tower and our NOCs.  This would tend to make 
cpe connections more robust as packet loss due to interference caused 
by a clueless or unscrupulous competitor would not leave the customers 
linksys router lost.


What are are the general opinions here on this?

If tower site termination is the norm, what hardware (extended temp 
range) are you using at the towers?


Microtik or other software?



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[WISPA] Tower at Auction in Evandale, TX.

[Scottie Arnett]

< 
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[WISPA] PPPoE Termination point -- NOC or Tower

[Marco Coelho]

We're at another growth milestone and are evaluating some network changes.
We are planning on doubling our network footprint this next quarter.

Currently, we terminate all PPPoE connections at a main NOC.  This has shown
some limitations as time has gone on.  They are manageable, but it would be
better not having to deal with.

We are looking into installing small servers at each tower and just running
OSPF between that tower and our NOCs.  This would tend to make cpe
connections more robust as packet loss due to interference caused by a
clueless or unscrupulous competitor would not leave the customers linksys
router lost.

What are are the general opinions here on this?

If tower site termination is the norm, what hardware (extended temp range)
are you using at the towers?

Microtik or other software?



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POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



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Re: [WISPA] Service in Vero Beach, FL.

[Dylan Bouterse]

I thought it might but I wanted to shoot it to the list just in case.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service in Vero Beach, FL.

 

That's got to be Paul.

On Nov 10, 2010 9:48 AM, "Dylan Bouterse"  wrote:
> Looking for service at 2600 45th Street, Vero Beach FL. At least
> 1.5-3mb.
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Re: [WISPA] Service in Vero Beach, FL.

[Josh Luthman]

That's got to be Paul.
On Nov 10, 2010 9:48 AM, "Dylan Bouterse"  wrote:
> Looking for service at 2600 45th Street, Vero Beach FL. At least
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[WISPA] Service in Vero Beach, FL.

[Dylan Bouterse]

Looking for service at 2600 45th Street, Vero Beach FL. At least
1.5-3mb.

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Re: [WISPA] New UBNT 900 gear

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End of the year

On 11/10/2010 9:05 AM, Matt wrote:
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Re: [WISPA] New UBNT 900 gear

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So when will the 3.65 NanoStations be here?



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Re: [WISPA] Inventory Management

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On 11/9/2010 9:30 PM, Kevin Owen wrote:
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vtiger.com has an inventory module that does *most* of what we need for 
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Re: [WISPA] New UBNT 900 gear

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It seems with Ubiquiti and Mikrotik that if you need 50 of something,
you need to
order 100.  By the time you get to 50 and need more, it will be a LONG
wait before
they get more in stock.

I appreciate all the new equipment Ubiquiti is releasing but it would
be nice if
they could fix the supply issue as well.



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