Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Blair Davis]

  
  
I also keep a bad of water softener salt and a 1inch drill-bit in
there as well

 ;-) 

On 12/4/2010 12:50 AM, RickG wrote:
Same here!
  
  On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Blair
Davis 
wrote:

   There is a chain saw in
my install truck!

On 12/3/2010 10:01 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:

  Yes, wi-fi kills trees for sure...

When they're in the fresnel zone, we cut them down!




  
  
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[RickG]

Same here!

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

>  There is a chain saw in my install truck!
>
> On 12/3/2010 10:01 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
>
> Yes, wi-fi kills trees for sure...
>
> When they're in the fresnel zone, we cut them down!
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Re: [WISPA] Advice on PTP link over water?

[Gary McWhirter]

Why not just run it in the LinkPlanner and find out?

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Christopher Hair wrote:

> We use 5.8Ghz PTP & PTMP and 900Mhz PTMP to reach customers on the other
> side of a lake about 2.2 miles wide. AP side is on a 40ft pole mounted at
> the edge of the lake shore. SM's are approx. 25 feet above the water on the
> other side. This site has been running now for about 18 months without any
> issues.
>
> Chris
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:04 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Advice on PTP link over water?
>
> Look at 900MHz.  It's my understanding that 900MHz is crazy good over
> water.
>
> Albert-
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom Sharples
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:51 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Advice on PTP link over water?
>
> Hi, we need to install an aprox. 8 mile PTP 5.8Ghz link near the Big Island
> in Hawaii. One end will be at about 50ft MSL, while the other end is at
> about 3500ft. The first 4 miles are over water, with rest over moderately
> hilly terrain to a freestanding 50ft tower. The ends have LOS. Ordinarly
> I'd
> just use a conventional setup with a pair of 2' dish antennas and XR5
> radios, but am considering using dual-polarity feedhorns (or even separate
> dishes) and diversity or dual radios due to the water.  Is this worth the
> effort, or should we just use e.g. horizontal polarity and stick to it?
> Since the one end is much higher than the other I'm thinking this should
> mitigate water effects, but would welcome any opinions.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower

[Forbes Mercy]

I have a 100 foot guyed tower on top of a hill, it was previously an FM 
Radio station, they moved their site,  sold us the site, but continue to 
use this site for STL's.  Since then I've added the Fire Department and 
a low power radio station plus my own equipment.  The tower was never 
lighted but was red and white paint.  When the FM moved off it they 
painted it white.  Can you tell me the purpose of why they painted it 
and how, especially being <10 miles from an approach why we don't have 
to light it?


Thanks,
Forbes

On 12/3/2010 4:42 PM, Christopher Hair wrote:


Thanks for all the input.   I found this document on the FAA website 
about Obstruction Marking and Lighting if anyone is interested for 
future reference . Its dated 2007.


*53. POLES, TOWERS, AND SIMILAR SKELETAL*

*STRUCTURES*

The following standards apply to radio and television

towers, supporting structures for overhead

transmission lines, and similar structures.

*a*/. *Top Mounted Obstruction Light.*/

*1/. Structures 150 Feet (46m) AGL or Less/*/. /Two

or more steady burning (L-810) lights should be

installed in a manner to ensure an unobstructed view of

one or more lights by a pilot.

*2*/. *Structures Exceeding 150 Feet (46m) AGL*./

At least one red flashing (L-864) beacon should be

installed in a manner to ensure an unobstructed view of

one or more lights by a pilot.

*3*/. *Appurtenances 40 Feet (12m) or Less*. /If a

rod, antenna, or other appurtenance 40 feet (12m) or

less in height is incapable of supporting a red flashing

beacon, then it may be placed at the base of the

appurtenance. If the mounting location does not allow

unobstructed viewing of the beacon by a pilot, then

additional beacons should be added.

*4*/. *Appurtenances Exceeding 40 Feet (12m*). /If a

rod, antenna, or other appurtenance exceeding 40 feet

(12m) in height is incapable of supporting a red

flashing beacon, a supporting mast with one or more

beacons should be installed adjacent to the

appurtenance. Adjacent installations should not

exceed the height of the appurtenance and be within 40

feet (12m) of the tip to allow the pilot an unobstructed

view of at least one beacon.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Brian Webster

*Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 12:43 PM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower

Helicopters fly at night and in the worst visibility conditions. They 
fly slow and hover. If there is a particular vector or direction that 
an antenna blocks the visibility of the beacon light it can cause 
these types of accidents. A helicopter would linger in a blind spot of 
the obstructed tower light much longer than a plane would and 
depending on their direction of flight could be in the blind spot for 
their whole flight.


I too was a lighting compliance expert for a tower company. I filed 
hundreds of these applications and had the software to do advanced 
studies near airports that had precision instrument approaches.  Many 
people do not realize that when they construct a 190 or so  tower that 
the crane will be taller than 200ft during construction. You are 
required to file for a clearance for that crane to exceed the 200ft 
height even if it is temporary. While they can't do anything to you if 
you don't file, your insurance carrier will not touch any payout on a 
claim if it is discovered you did not do the proper paperwork. For 
liability reasons people want to see that letter from the FAA saying 
that it is not a hazard to navigation.


Another big topic that most people do not realize is that you are also 
required to run your towers through your state DOT office (They all 
have an airspace group). They also have the authority to require you 
to light a tower. Normally the FAA will notify the proper state when 
you file for a site, but that does not absolve you of your requirement 
to make sure it has been done. I had a tower in the state of 
Washington where the FAA said no problem but the state DOT required us 
to light it. It was in a mountain pass along I-90. Their reasoning was 
that planes will fly below the cloud cover and follow the valley often 
with low clearances. They felt the tower should be lit for those 
circumstances. We had no choice but to light it.


It does not cost much time or money to have a tower studied and then 
file with the FAA. To eliminate the risk of making a mistake and not 
meeting the proper criteria I think it's foolish not to go through the 
process for every new structure you build just to cover your butt. 
Relying solely on the TOWAIR tool on the FCC web site and/or the tool 
on the FAA web site makes me nervous, many times I found them to be 
wrong in situations where you are close to a public airfield or in the 
path of an instrument procedure. Instrument approaches can have an 
effect up to 10 nautical miles from the end of a runway. 
www.airspaceusa.com 

Re: [WISPA] Quick question

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Well, there are 83.5 mhz of spectrum available.  So in theory, no.

HOWEVER, it'll depend on how close they are.

So if you have two systems at fairly low power levels I'd expect you to be 
fine.  If the power levels are very high though, you WILL interfer with 
yourself.

Also, you'll likely find that you are already causing most of your 
interference from having so many sectors so close together on that tower (I 
read that you have 4 sectors up there as I recall).

laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Optimum Wireless Services" 
To: "Cameron Crum" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick question


>I guess both on different channels: 20mhz on channel 1 and the other on
> channel 9.
>
>
> On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 08:44 -0600, Cameron Crum wrote:
>> What channels?
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Optimum Wireless Services
>>  wrote:
>> Hello.
>>
>> Just a quick stupid question:
>>
>> If I have two omni antennas both transmitting at 2.4GHz but,
>> one with
>> 10MHz channel width and the other with normal 20MHz width;
>> would they
>> interfere with each other?
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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Dylan Bouterse]

"like"

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

Yes, wi-fi kills trees for sure...

When they're in the fresnel zone, we cut them down!

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On 12/3/2010 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
> Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave?
Hope
> you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
> researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
> The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned
the
> study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained
by
> known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the
study
> found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
> radiation from mobile-phone
> networks and wireless LANs.
>
> Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are
afflicted by
> Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and
bleeding
> and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent
showing
> symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy
and
> healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.
>
> We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
> knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
>
 ague-49290554/>   way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
> conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
> The Health Protection Agency
>
 RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>   states that "there is
no
> consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi
and
> WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
> number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
> symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some
debate
> about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
> electromagnetic fields.
>
> Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well
below
> government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in
part
> because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd
have
> to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of
radio
> waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no
concrete
> evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried,
just
> make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
> We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing
for
> it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
>   . Right, time to make
like a
> tree and leave.
>
>
> Read more:
>
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-50001
681/
> #ixzz173UMdYiX
>
 />
>
> I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
> I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...
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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Robert West]

I already knew it was a killer!

 

About 7 or 8 years ago a friend of mine put in a dedicated link to a
business customer.  Customer was in a hole so the down tilt took him into
about 8 feet of two very tall pine trees.  To compensate, he.  Uh.
Well, he pushed the power WAY over legal!  After about a year the tops of
those trees were a bit discolored.  Now the tops really aren't on the top
anymore

 

Bob-

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

 

Yeah, and the fact that the trees out here seem to be growing FASTER than
ever before!  Now that I'm a WISP I wish the trees would all die.  But
NOo, they have to grow even faster!  hehehehe

marlon

 

- Original Message - 

From: Jonathan Schmidt   

To: 'WISPA General List'   

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

 

What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers?  Wouldn't
somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had
died a few years into the '70s when the put them up?

 

Jonathan Schmidt

W8BZB

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this:
Even if true, what do they want to do about it?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband 
wrote:

Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave? Hope
you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
radiation from mobile-phone 
networks and wireless LANs.

Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted by
Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.

We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
 
ague-49290554/>  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
The Health Protection Agency
 
RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>  states that "there is no
consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
electromagnetic fields.

Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd have
to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried, just
make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
 . Right, time to make like a
tree and leave.


Read more:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-50001681/
 
#ixzz173UMdYiX


I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...


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Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Yeah, check the firmware versions you are using etc.

Does the slowdown only happen at the customers or at your noc too?

What client gear are you guys using?

What routers are the customers using?
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Optimum Wireless Services" 
To: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail


> Marlon.
>
> That's exactly how things are in our network. Speedtest look good but,
> once the client goes to Facebook and Hotmail things just don't work
> well.
>
> Any solution or suggestions?
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 11:22 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> Oh yeah, we'd run speed tests and they'd look great.  Google would load
>> right up etc.  Reboot the router/radio and things would run fine for a
>> little bit.
>>
>> Then try to go to MSN, Myspace, facebook etc. and things would die.
>>
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Optimum Wireless Services" 
>> To: "RickG" 
>> Cc: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:34 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with facebook and hotmail
>>
>>
>> >I don't use Facebook much but, I had to lately in order to test the
>> > problem. Is actually a little slow from time to time. All other pages
>> > load fine. That's what I don't understand.
>> >
>> > I found this about facebook:
>> >
>> > http://www.5starsocialnetwork.com/facebook-connection-problems/
>> >
>> > http://support.momentoapp.com/discussions/problems/106-problem-with-facebook-connection
>> >
>> > http://www.facebook.com/KnownIssues/posts/171845609509593
>> >
>> > I'm puzzled at all this and is really "getting on my nerves". I have
>> > people complaining about it.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 13:26 -0500, RickG wrote:
>> >> Have you seen the actual problem for yourself? If so, does it do it at
>> >> your core?
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Optimum Wireless Services
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> Hello.
>> >>
>> >> Lately my customers have been experiencing problems accessing
>> >> facebook
>> >> and hotmail. They claim they can't access their email on
>> >> hotmail after
>> >> entering their credentials and can't see pictures and other
>> >> people's
>> >> profile on facebook. Don't know if is our network or what. We
>> >> have 3
>> >> 5mbps/1mbps dsl lines that really give us 4.5/800. We have
>> >> about 120
>> >> customers and have complained so much about it that is already
>> >> getting
>> >> on me.
>> >>
>> >> Just wanted to know if any of you have experienced problems
>> >> with these
>> >> two websites.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advanced.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Quick question

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Here's a really good video for you to look at.  It's about wispy but notice 
how the wireless signals don't just stop at the edge of the channels, they 
actually bleed down in a bell shape.

http://www.dailywireless.org/2010/04/15/spectrum-analyzers-get-integrated/

OFDM signals (g and a) are much more squared off on top than what this shows 
though.

Hope that helps,
marlon

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To: "Cameron Crum" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick question


>I guess both on different channels: 20mhz on channel 1 and the other on
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>> What channels?
>>
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>> Hello.
>>
>> Just a quick stupid question:
>>
>> If I have two omni antennas both transmitting at 2.4GHz but,
>> one with
>> 10MHz channel width and the other with normal 20MHz width;
>> would they
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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[St. Louis Broadband]

Yeah, but we have seen some of the Wi-Fi effects on you . LoL 

 

I guess if there was 'issues' with Wi-Fi, some of would really be showing
the effects by now!

Humm. let me think about this.

Guys, running around saying they are radio-active . nope, that is normal.

 

~V~

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

 

Yeah, and the fact that the trees out here seem to be growing FASTER than
ever before!  Now that I'm a WISP I wish the trees would all die.  But
NOo, they have to grow even faster!  hehehehe

marlon

 

- Original Message - 

From: Jonathan Schmidt   

To: 'WISPA General List'   

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

 

What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers?  Wouldn't
somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had
died a few years into the '70s when the put them up?

 

Jonathan Schmidt

W8BZB

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this:
Even if true, what do they want to do about it?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband 
wrote:

Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave? Hope
you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
radiation from mobile-phone 
networks and wireless LANs.

Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted by
Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.

We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
 
ague-49290554/>  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
The Health Protection Agency
 
RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>  states that "there is no
consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
electromagnetic fields.

Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd have
to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried, just
make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
 . Right, time to make like a
tree and leave.


Read more:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-50001681/
 
#ixzz173UMdYiX


I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...


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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Jonathan Schmidt]

Ironically, it was the Dutch Elm disease that killed most of the big,
beautiful trees in Ann Arbor when I grew up.
. . . j o n a t h a n
W8BZB

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


Yeah, and the fact that the trees out here seem to be growing FASTER than
ever before!  Now that I'm a WISP I wish the trees would all die.  But
NOo, they have to grow even faster!  hehehehe
marlon
 

- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan Schmidt   
To: 'WISPA General List'   
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers?  Wouldn't
somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had
died a few years into the '70s when the put them up?
 
Jonathan Schmidt
W8BZB

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this:
Even if true, what do they want to do about it?


On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband
 wrote:


Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave?
Hope
you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
radiation from mobile-phone 
networks and wireless LANs.

Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted
by
Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.

We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
 
ague-49290554/>  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
The Health Protection Agency
 
RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>  states that "there is no
consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
electromagnetic fields.

Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd
have
to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried,
just
make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
 . Right, time to make like a
tree and leave.


Read more:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-5000168
1/
 
#ixzz173UMdYiX


I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...


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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Yeah, and the fact that the trees out here seem to be growing FASTER than ever 
before!  Now that I'm a WISP I wish the trees would all die.  But NOo, they 
have to grow even faster!  hehehehe
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Schmidt 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


  What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers?  Wouldn't 
somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had died 
a few years into the '70s when the put them up?

  Jonathan Schmidt
  W8BZB



--
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
  To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


  I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this: 
Even if true, what do they want to do about it?


  On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband  
wrote:

Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave? Hope
you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
radiation from mobile-phone 
networks and wireless LANs.

Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted by
Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.

We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
The Health Protection Agency
  states that "there is no
consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
electromagnetic fields.

Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd have
to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried, just
make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
 . Right, time to make like a
tree and leave.


Read more:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-50001681/
#ixzz173UMdYiX


I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...


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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Greg Ihnen]

If it was a "quick" format that's true, the data area of the disk is intact and 
if it hasn't been overwritten it's recoverable to some degree. If it was a full 
format then for regular folks the data is gone, it takes some pretty special 
tricks to recover.

Greg
On Dec 3, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Larry A Weidig wrote:

> This is not true, you can recover files from a formatted drive.  We do it all 
> the time.  The problem is the more and more it is used the less you can 
> recover.  Also, obviously the part of the disk where it wrote the OS during 
> installation will be gone, but fortunately that a lot of times is where it 
> was the first time and the actual “data” files (pictures, documents, music,…) 
> are recoverable.
>  
> The tool I would suggest is:
> http://www.r-studio.com/
>  
> Though if you want the technician version it is pricey.
>  
>  
> * Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
> * Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
> * (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
> * (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:59 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software
>  
> If the Windows installer formatted the drive it's gone, all gone.
>  
> What version of Windows (XP, Vista, 7)?
>  
> Greg
>  
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't know.  I wasn't there and no one asked me about it first
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Greg Ihnen
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software
>  
> Did the Windows installer (the app) ask to format the drive?
>  
> Greg
>  
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> 
> 
> He reinstalled windows.  All traces of the old files are gone.  I need a 
> program that can grab the files directly from the disk.
>  
> I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the buck.
>  
> thanks,
> marlon
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: RickG
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software
>  
> Marlon,
>  
> It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file 
> recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple as 
> rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use an 
> invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!
>  
> 
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer  
> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
> pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
> figure out how to get the files back.
> 
> My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
> I can find.
> 
> Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
> jpgs and such?
> 
> thanks
> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Blair Davis]

  
  
There is a chain saw in my install truck!

On 12/3/2010 10:01 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:

  Yes, wi-fi kills trees for sure...

When they're in the fresnel zone, we cut them down!




  




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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Larry A Weidig]

This is not true, you can recover files from a formatted drive.  We do
it all the time.  The problem is the more and more it is used the less
you can recover.  Also, obviously the part of the disk where it wrote
the OS during installation will be gone, but fortunately that a lot of
times is where it was the first time and the actual "data" files
(pictures, documents, music,...) are recoverable. 

 

The tool I would suggest is:

http://www.r-studio.com/

 

Though if you want the technician version it is pricey.

 

 

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* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/  

* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

 

If the Windows installer formatted the drive it's gone, all gone.

 

What version of Windows (XP, Vista, 7)?

 

Greg

 

On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:





I don't know.  I wasn't there and no one asked me about it first

 

- Original Message -

From: Greg Ihnen  

To: WISPA General List  

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:38 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

 

Did the Windows installer (the app) ask to format the drive?

 

Greg

 

On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:





He reinstalled windows.  All traces of the old files are gone.
I need a program that can grab the files directly from the disk.

 

I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang
for the buck.

 

thanks,

marlon

 

- Original Message -

From: RickG  

To: WISPA General List  

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

 

Marlon,

 

It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You
might need a file recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or
it may be as simple as rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For
transferring files, I use an invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -
so easy a chimp can do it!

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
 wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They
now have no family
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer
off till I can
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that
to pull off any pics
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the
drive and look for
jpgs and such?

thanks
marlon






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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Robert West]

In Vista and 7 it will sometimes stick user files in a folder called
Windows.old while reinstalling over itself.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 12:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

 

He reinstalled windows.  All traces of the old files are gone.  I need a
program that can grab the files directly from the disk.

 

I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the
buck.

 

thanks,

marlon

 

- Original Message - 

From: RickG   

To: WISPA General List   

Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

 

Marlon, 

 

It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple
as rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use
an invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
jpgs and such?

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Robert West]

I use Active@ File Recovery for such things.  I can tell it to only find JPG
or whatever so I don't have to sort through crap more than I need to.

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family 
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can 
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics

I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for 
jpgs and such?

thanks
marlon





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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Tom Sharples]

It's actually caused by a combination of dikes (the kind that hold out the 
water), aged Gouda cheese and wooden shoes.

Tom S.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


UHF doesn't provide any radiation, you don't see the antennas on a
daily basis (unless you're looking).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan Schmidt
 wrote:
> What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers? Wouldn't
> somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had
> died a few years into the '70s when the put them up?
>
> Jonathan Schmidt
> W8BZB
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees
>
> I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this:
> Even if true, what do they want to do about it?
>
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband 
> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
>> Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave?
>> Hope
>> you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
>> researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
>> The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
>> study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
>> known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
>> found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
>> radiation from mobile-phone 
>> networks and wireless LANs.
>>
>> Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted
>> by
>> Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
>> and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
>> symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy 
>> and
>> healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.
>>
>> We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
>> knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
>>
>> > ague-49290554/> way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
>> conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
>> The Health Protection Agency
>>
>> > RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/> states that "there is no
>> consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
>> WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
>> number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
>> symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
>> about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
>> electromagnetic fields.
>>
>> Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well 
>> below
>> government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
>> because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd
>> have
>> to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
>> waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
>> evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried,
>> just
>> make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
>> We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing 
>> for
>> it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
>>  . Right, time to make like a
>> tree and leave.
>>
>>
>> Read more:
>>
>> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-50001681/
>> #ixzz173UMdYiX
>>
>> > />
>>
>> I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
>> I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...
>>
>>
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>> StLouisBroadband.com 
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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Josh Luthman]

UHF doesn't provide any radiation, you don't see the antennas on a
daily basis (unless you're looking).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan Schmidt
 wrote:
> What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers?  Wouldn't
> somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had
> died a few years into the '70s when the put them up?
>
> Jonathan Schmidt
> W8BZB
> 
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees
>
> I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this:
> Even if true, what do they want to do about it?
>
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband 
> wrote:
>>
>> Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
>> Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave?
>> Hope
>> you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
>> researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
>> The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
>> study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
>> known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
>> found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
>> radiation from mobile-phone 
>> networks and wireless LANs.
>>
>> Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted
>> by
>> Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
>> and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
>> symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
>> healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.
>>
>> We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
>> knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
>>
>> > ague-49290554/>  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
>> conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
>> The Health Protection Agency
>>
>> > RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>  states that "there is no
>> consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
>> WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
>> number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
>> symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
>> about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
>> electromagnetic fields.
>>
>> Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
>> government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
>> because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd
>> have
>> to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
>> waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
>> evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried,
>> just
>> make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
>> We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
>> it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
>>  . Right, time to make like a
>> tree and leave.
>>
>>
>> Read more:
>>
>> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-50001681/
>> #ixzz173UMdYiX
>>
>> > />
>>
>> I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
>> I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...
>>
>>
>> Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO
>> StLouisBroadband.com 
>> ShowMeBroadband.com 
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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

[Jonathan Schmidt]

What about the trees in the forests around 100KW UHF TV towers?  Wouldn't
somebody have noticed, by now, that all the trees in a 10 mile radius had
died a few years into the '70s when the put them up?
 
Jonathan Schmidt
W8BZB

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:40 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees


I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this:
Even if true, what do they want to do about it?


On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband
 wrote:


Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave?
Hope
you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
radiation from mobile-phone 
networks and wireless LANs.

Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted
by
Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.

We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
 
ague-49290554/>  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
The Health Protection Agency
 
RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>  states that "there is no
consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
electromagnetic fields.

Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd
have
to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried,
just
make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
 . Right, time to make like a
tree and leave.


Read more:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-5000168
1/
 
#ixzz173UMdYiX


I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...


Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO
StLouisBroadband.com 
ShowMeBroadband.com 
314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756
Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband
St. Louis WISP since 2003
SBA Certified WOSB
 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Fred Goldstein]

At 12/3/2010 01:07 PM, GregI wrote:

My guess is the installer app wanted to format and the operator clicked "OK".

Greg


Probably worse than that.  Microsoft no longer ships Windows 
installation disks with consumer computers.  Instead,they provide a 
disk or hidden partition that only does one thing:  It restores the 
hard drive to the original factory state, wiping out everything on 
the drive (revirgination). So if your Windows files or settings get 
spooged, as  happens with a virus, you need to find a way to back 
everything, and I mean everything, up, and then selectively restore 
afterwards.  Or just get your hands on a more normal copy of Windows, 
which alas isn't all that cheap.


It sounds as if the consumer followed the instructions and 
revirginated the machine.  I don't think that the process actually 
wipes the sectors clean, NSA-style, so it may be possible to restore 
at least some files.  Others may be restored in part... on a picture 
file, you might get part of the picture.



On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Then they repartitioned and/or formatted.  Major difference.
On Dec 3, 2010 12:30 PM, "Marlon K. Schafer" 
<o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
> He reinstalled windows. All traces of the old files are gone. I 
need a program that can grab the files directly from the disk.

>
> I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang 
for the buck.

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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Greg Ihnen]

My guess is the installer app wanted to format and the operator clicked "OK".

Greg

On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Then they repartitioned and/or formatted.  Major difference.
> 
> On Dec 3, 2010 12:30 PM, "Marlon K. Schafer"  wrote:
> > He reinstalled windows. All traces of the old files are gone. I need a 
> > program that can grab the files directly from the disk.
> > 
> > I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the 
> > buck.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > marlon
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: RickG 
> > To: WISPA General List 
> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software
> > 
> > 
> > Marlon,
> > 
> > 
> > It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file 
> > recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple 
> > as rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I 
> > use an invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com - so easy a chimp can do it!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I have a customer that decided to reload windows. They now have no family
> > pictures left. ug I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
> > figure out how to get the files back.
> > 
> > My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
> > I can find.
> > 
> > Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
> > jpgs and such?
> > 
> > thanks
> > marlon
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Josh Luthman]

Then they repartitioned and/or formatted.  Major difference.
On Dec 3, 2010 12:30 PM, "Marlon K. Schafer"  wrote:
> He reinstalled windows. All traces of the old files are gone. I need a
program that can grab the files directly from the disk.
>
> I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the
buck.
>
> thanks,
> marlon
>
> - Original Message -
> From: RickG
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software
>
>
> Marlon,
>
>
> It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple
as rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use
an invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com - so easy a chimp can do it!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a customer that decided to reload windows. They now have no family
> pictures left. ug I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
> figure out how to get the files back.
>
> My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any
pics
> I can find.
>
> Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
> jpgs and such?
>
> thanks
> marlon
>
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Greg Ihnen]

If the Windows installer formatted the drive it's gone, all gone.

What version of Windows (XP, Vista, 7)?

Greg

On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> I don't know.  I wasn't there and no one asked me about it first
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Greg Ihnen
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software
> 
> Did the Windows installer (the app) ask to format the drive?
> 
> Greg
> 
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> 
>> He reinstalled windows.  All traces of the old files are gone.  I need a 
>> program that can grab the files directly from the disk.
>>  
>> I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the 
>> buck.
>>  
>> thanks,
>> marlon
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: RickG
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software
>> 
>> Marlon,
>> 
>> It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file 
>> recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple 
>> as rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use 
>> an invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer  
>> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
>> pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
>> figure out how to get the files back.
>> 
>> My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
>> I can find.
>> 
>> Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
>> jpgs and such?
>> 
>> thanks
>> marlon
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Greg Ihnen]

I've used Bart PE. It's easy to make and works well.

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

Greg

On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> Hmmm, a bootable cd sounds like an easier way to do this!
> marlon
> 
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software
> 
> 
>> Active@
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:44 AM, "Marlon K. Schafer"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no 
>>> family
>>> pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
>>> figure out how to get the files back.
>>> 
>>> My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any 
>>> pics
>>> I can find.
>>> 
>>> Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
>>> jpgs and such?
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> marlon
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I don't know.  I wasn't there and no one asked me about it first

  - Original Message - 
  From: Greg Ihnen 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


  Did the Windows installer (the app) ask to format the drive?


  Greg


  On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:


He reinstalled windows.  All traces of the old files are gone.  I need a 
program that can grab the files directly from the disk.

I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the 
buck.

thanks,
marlon

  - Original Message -
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  To: WISPA General List
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


  Marlon,


  It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file 
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple as 
rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use an 
invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!



  On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
 wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no 
family
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any 
pics
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
jpgs and such?

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower

[Brian Webster]

Helicopters fly at night and in the worst visibility conditions. They fly
slow and hover. If there is a particular vector or direction that an antenna
blocks the visibility of the beacon light it can cause these types of
accidents. A helicopter would linger in a blind spot of the obstructed tower
light much longer than a plane would and depending on their direction of
flight could be in the blind spot for their whole flight.

 

I too was a lighting compliance expert for a tower company. I filed hundreds
of these applications and had the software to do advanced studies near
airports that had precision instrument approaches.  Many people do not
realize that when they construct a 190 or so  tower that the crane will be
taller than 200ft during construction. You are required to file for a
clearance for that crane to exceed the 200ft height even if it is temporary.
While they can't do anything to you if you don't file, your insurance
carrier will not touch any payout on a claim if it is discovered you did not
do the proper paperwork. For liability reasons people want to see that
letter from the FAA saying that it is not a hazard to navigation.

 

Another big topic that most people do not realize is that you are also
required to run your towers through your state DOT office (They all have an
airspace group). They also have the authority to require you to light a
tower. Normally the FAA will notify the proper state when you file for a
site, but that does not absolve you of your requirement to make sure it has
been done. I had a tower in the state of Washington where the FAA said no
problem but the state DOT required us to light it. It was in a mountain pass
along I-90. Their reasoning was that planes will fly below the cloud cover
and follow the valley often with low clearances. They felt the tower should
be lit for those circumstances. We had no choice but to light it.

 

It does not cost much time or money to have a tower studied and then file
with the FAA. To eliminate the risk of making a mistake and not meeting the
proper criteria I think it's foolish not to go through the process for every
new structure you build just to cover your butt. Relying solely on the
TOWAIR tool on the FCC web site and/or the tool on the FAA web site makes me
nervous, many times I found them to be wrong in situations where you are
close to a public airfield or in the path of an instrument procedure.
Instrument approaches can have an effect up to 10 nautical miles from the
end of a runway.  www.airspaceusa.com has an excellent team who can help
especially in difficult situations. I have no financial interest in the
company but did work with them in the past and found them to be top notch.
Their President is a retired FAA airspace expert.

 



Thank You,

Brian Webster
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower

 

I'm not surprised but what I find interesting is this: How does a few feet
make a difference to a helicopter or airplane? Why would you be that close
to a tower either way?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

My first job out of college was working as an RF engineer for Sprint
Cellular. One of the joyful tasks I had to do as a very junior engineer was
audit FCC and FAA filings for about 500 cell sites along the eastern
seaboard. The regulations then, and I believe still, are that nothing is
supposed to be higher than the top light and that anything that does exceed
that height requires a submission of a notice of proposed change, an
approval for such change, and then a notice of completion once the change
has been made. In addition, if you do exceed that height, you must raise the
light so that it is at least even with the highest point of any attachments
that protrude from the top of the tower. All that being said, if the tower
does not require lighting, then you can do whatever you want. Some cities
light every water tower even though there is no requirement to do so. If the
tower is not registered with the FAA, and your attachments don't exceed a
height that requires you to register, then bolt away. Otherwise, it is best
to stay in compliance. I forgot to mention that the reason I had to do the
audit, was because Sprint failed to temporarily light a tower under
construction. A care flight helicopter transporting a crash victim smacked
it and everyone died. 


Cameron 

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:11 PM, RickG  wrote:

If you cant then every government emergency service agency around here is in
trouble!

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

I know you can mount above it.  Tons of towers around here do.

On Dec 2, 2010 9:24 PM, "Christopher Hair"  wrote:
> At what height must a beacon light be placed on a tower. Can anything be
> mounted 

Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[~NGL~]

I just used Active@ Partition Recovery on a system where the partition was 
deleted. Worked like a champ. They have a free demo to try first it shows the 
lost files, but you can't restore them until you purchase it.
NGL
  From: Marlon K. Schafer 
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:33 AM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


  Thanks!

  That looks like just what I'm after.
  marlon

- Original Message - 
From: Jason Hensley 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


www.easeus.com - data recovery wizard - can't beat it for the price.  Will 
recover even after multiple reformats.  

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

 

Marlon,

 

It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file 
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple as 
rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use an 
invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer  
wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
jpgs and such?

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Greg Ihnen]

Did the Windows installer (the app) ask to format the drive?

Greg

On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> He reinstalled windows.  All traces of the old files are gone.  I need a 
> program that can grab the files directly from the disk.
>  
> I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the buck.
>  
> thanks,
> marlon
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: RickG
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> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software
> 
> Marlon,
> 
> It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file 
> recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple as 
> rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use an 
> invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer  
> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
> pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
> figure out how to get the files back.
> 
> My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
> I can find.
> 
> Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
> jpgs and such?
> 
> thanks
> marlon
> 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Hmmm, a bootable cd sounds like an easier way to do this!
marlon

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From: "Jeremie Chism" 
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Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


> Active@
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
> On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:44 AM, "Marlon K. Schafer"  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no 
>> family
>> pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
>> figure out how to get the files back.
>>
>> My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any 
>> pics
>> I can find.
>>
>> Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
>> jpgs and such?
>>
>> thanks
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Thanks!

That looks like just what I'm after.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jason Hensley 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 9:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


  www.easeus.com - data recovery wizard - can't beat it for the price.  Will 
recover even after multiple reformats.  

   

   

   

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of RickG
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:55 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

   

  Marlon,

   

  It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file 
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple as 
rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use an 
invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!

   

  On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer  
wrote:

  Hi All,

  I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
  pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
  figure out how to get the files back.

  My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
  I can find.

  Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
  jpgs and such?

  thanks
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Greg Ihnen]

I use GetDataBack and GetDataBackNTFS.

Greg

On Dec 3, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family 
> pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can 
> figure out how to get the files back.
> 
> My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics 
> I can find.
> 
> Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for 
> jpgs and such?
> 
> thanks
> marlon
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Marlon K. Schafer]

He reinstalled windows.  All traces of the old files are gone.  I need a 
program that can grab the files directly from the disk.

I know they exist, I just don't know which one's are a good bang for the buck.

thanks,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
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  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software


  Marlon,


  It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file 
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple as 
rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use an 
invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!



  On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer  
wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
jpgs and such?

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Jason Hensley]

www.easeus.com - data recovery wizard - can't beat it for the price.  Will
recover even after multiple reformats.  

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 10:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

 

Marlon,

 

It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple
as rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use
an invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
wrote:

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
jpgs and such?

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower

[RickG]

Good answer. I dont fly which is why I asked. Thanks!

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Aaron D. Osgood <
aosg...@streamline-solutions.net> wrote:

> Because the obstruction MAY block the light from the pilot’s view from
> certain angles. As for why are they close anyway? They may not know the
> tower is there – EXAMPLE: EMS Helo’s often fly into strange areas at the
> request of local public safety. Another reason is that weather related
> visibility may take a sudden drastic change – which is one of the primary
> reason’s why strobes/beacons are required on many objects of certain heights
> AGL or ASL
>
>
>
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> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *RickG
> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 11:45 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower
>
>
>
> I'm not surprised but what I find interesting is this: How does a few feet
> make a difference to a helicopter or airplane? Why would you be that close
> to a tower either way?
>
> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> My first job out of college was working as an RF engineer for Sprint
> Cellular. One of the joyful tasks I had to do as a very junior engineer was
> audit FCC and FAA filings for about 500 cell sites along the eastern
> seaboard. The regulations then, and I believe still, are that nothing is
> supposed to be higher than the top light and that anything that does exceed
> that height requires a submission of a notice of proposed change, an
> approval for such change, and then a notice of completion once the change
> has been made. In addition, if you do exceed that height, you must raise the
> light so that it is at least even with the highest point of any attachments
> that protrude from the top of the tower. All that being said, if the tower
> does not require lighting, then you can do whatever you want. Some cities
> light every water tower even though there is no requirement to do so. If the
> tower is not registered with the FAA, and your attachments don't exceed a
> height that requires you to register, then bolt away. Otherwise, it is best
> to stay in compliance. I forgot to mention that the reason I had to do the
> audit, was because Sprint failed to temporarily light a tower under
> construction. A care flight helicopter transporting a crash victim smacked
> it and everyone died.
>
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:11 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
> If you cant then every government emergency service agency around here is
> in trouble!
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I know you can mount above it.  Tons of towers around here do.
>
> On Dec 2, 2010 9:24 PM, "Christopher Hair"  wrote:
> > At what height must a beacon light be placed on a tower. Can anything be
> > mounted above the beacon light? Or must the beacon be at the highest
> point
> > on the tower? I have done several searches an cannot find a sound answer?
> > Need to mount 4 PMP 320 sector antennas that would be 6' to 8' above a
> > beacon light on a water tower. Tower is 185' tall. See attached photo.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Chris
> >
>
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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[RickG]

Marlon,

It depends on what you mean by "reload windows". You might need a file
recovery program such as Data Recovery Wizard, etc. Or it may be as simple
as rolling it back to an earlier restore date. For transferring files, I use
an invaluable tool: http://thetornado.com -  so easy a chimp can do it!


On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family
> pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can
> figure out how to get the files back.
>
> My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any
> pics
> I can find.
>
> Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for
> jpgs and such?
>
> thanks
> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower

[Aaron D. Osgood]

Because the obstruction MAY block the light from the pilot's view from
certain angles. As for why are they close anyway? They may not know the
tower is there - EXAMPLE: EMS Helo's often fly into strange areas at the
request of local public safety. Another reason is that weather related
visibility may take a sudden drastic change - which is one of the primary
reason's why strobes/beacons are required on many objects of certain heights
AGL or ASL

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower

 

I'm not surprised but what I find interesting is this: How does a few feet
make a difference to a helicopter or airplane? Why would you be that close
to a tower either way?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

My first job out of college was working as an RF engineer for Sprint
Cellular. One of the joyful tasks I had to do as a very junior engineer was
audit FCC and FAA filings for about 500 cell sites along the eastern
seaboard. The regulations then, and I believe still, are that nothing is
supposed to be higher than the top light and that anything that does exceed
that height requires a submission of a notice of proposed change, an
approval for such change, and then a notice of completion once the change
has been made. In addition, if you do exceed that height, you must raise the
light so that it is at least even with the highest point of any attachments
that protrude from the top of the tower. All that being said, if the tower
does not require lighting, then you can do whatever you want. Some cities
light every water tower even though there is no requirement to do so. If the
tower is not registered with the FAA, and your attachments don't exceed a
height that requires you to register, then bolt away. Otherwise, it is best
to stay in compliance. I forgot to mention that the reason I had to do the
audit, was because Sprint failed to temporarily light a tower under
construction. A care flight helicopter transporting a crash victim smacked
it and everyone died. 


Cameron 

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:11 PM, RickG  wrote:

If you cant then every government emergency service agency around here is in
trouble!

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

I know you can mount above it.  Tons of towers around here do.

On Dec 2, 2010 9:24 PM, "Christopher Hair"  wrote:
> At what height must a beacon light be placed on a tower. Can anything be
> mounted above the beacon light? Or must the beacon be at the highest point
> on the tower? I have done several searches an cannot find a sound answer?
> Need to mount 4 PMP 320 sector antennas that would be 6' to 8' above a
> beacon light on a water tower. Tower is 185' tall. See attached photo.
> 
> 
> 
> -Chris
> 







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Re: [WISPA] OT, file recovery software

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Active@

Sent from my iPhone4

On Dec 3, 2010, at 10:44 AM, "Marlon K. Schafer"  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family 
> pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can 
> figure out how to get the files back.
> 
> My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics 
> I can find.
> 
> Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for 
> jpgs and such?
> 
> thanks
> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower

[RickG]

I'm not surprised but what I find interesting is this: How does a few feet
make a difference to a helicopter or airplane? Why would you be that close
to a tower either way?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> My first job out of college was working as an RF engineer for Sprint
> Cellular. One of the joyful tasks I had to do as a very junior engineer was
> audit FCC and FAA filings for about 500 cell sites along the eastern
> seaboard. The regulations then, and I believe still, are that nothing is
> supposed to be higher than the top light and that anything that does exceed
> that height requires a submission of a notice of proposed change, an
> approval for such change, and then a notice of completion once the change
> has been made. In addition, if you do exceed that height, you must raise the
> light so that it is at least even with the highest point of any attachments
> that protrude from the top of the tower. All that being said, if the tower
> does not require lighting, then you can do whatever you want. Some cities
> light every water tower even though there is no requirement to do so. If the
> tower is not registered with the FAA, and your attachments don't exceed a
> height that requires you to register, then bolt away. Otherwise, it is best
> to stay in compliance. I forgot to mention that the reason I had to do the
> audit, was because Sprint failed to temporarily light a tower under
> construction. A care flight helicopter transporting a crash victim smacked
> it and everyone died.
>
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:11 PM, RickG  wrote:
>
>> If you cant then every government emergency service agency around here is
>> in trouble!
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> I know you can mount above it.  Tons of towers around here do.
>>>  On Dec 2, 2010 9:24 PM, "Christopher Hair" 
>>> wrote:
>>> > At what height must a beacon light be placed on a tower. Can anything
>>> be
>>> > mounted above the beacon light? Or must the beacon be at the highest
>>> point
>>> > on the tower? I have done several searches an cannot find a sound
>>> answer?
>>> > Need to mount 4 PMP 320 sector antennas that would be 6' to 8' above a
>>> > beacon light on a water tower. Tower is 185' tall. See attached photo.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Chris
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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[WISPA] OT, file recovery software

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Hi All,

I have a customer that decided to reload windows.  They now have no family 
pictures left.  ug  I've told them to leave the computer off till I can 
figure out how to get the files back.

My plan is to get a USB hard drive adapter and use that to pull off any pics 
I can find.

Anyone know of a good program that'll dig through the drive and look for 
jpgs and such?

thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

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I thought it was global warming. All kidding aside, it goes back to this:
Even if true, what do they want to do about it?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband
wrote:

> Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
> Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave? Hope
> you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
> researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
> The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
> study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
> known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
> found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
> radiation from mobile-phone 
> networks and wireless LANs.
>
> Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted
> by
> Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
> and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
> symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
> healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.
>
> We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
> knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
> <
> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/accessories/crave-talk-is-wi-fi-the-21st-century-pl
> ague-49290554/>  way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
> conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
> The Health Protection Agency
> <
> http://www.hpa.org.uk/Topics/Radiation/UnderstandingRadiation/Understanding
> RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>  states that "there is no
> consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
> WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
> number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
> symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
> about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
> electromagnetic fields.
>
> Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
> government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
> because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd have
> to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
> waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
> evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried, just
> make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
> We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
> it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
>  . Right, time to make like a
> tree and leave.
>
>
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> I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...
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[WISPA] UBNT Station List

[Steve Barnes]

Has UBNT resolved the 32 max number of stations that you can see in the station 
list yet?

I see in 5.3 beta 4 there is the ability to sort the list added.  But it 
doesn't say how many at a time.


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Re: [WISPA] Question about beacon lights rules on a tower

[Cameron Crum]

My first job out of college was working as an RF engineer for Sprint
Cellular. One of the joyful tasks I had to do as a very junior engineer was
audit FCC and FAA filings for about 500 cell sites along the eastern
seaboard. The regulations then, and I believe still, are that nothing is
supposed to be higher than the top light and that anything that does exceed
that height requires a submission of a notice of proposed change, an
approval for such change, and then a notice of completion once the change
has been made. In addition, if you do exceed that height, you must raise the
light so that it is at least even with the highest point of any attachments
that protrude from the top of the tower. All that being said, if the tower
does not require lighting, then you can do whatever you want. Some cities
light every water tower even though there is no requirement to do so. If the
tower is not registered with the FAA, and your attachments don't exceed a
height that requires you to register, then bolt away. Otherwise, it is best
to stay in compliance. I forgot to mention that the reason I had to do the
audit, was because Sprint failed to temporarily light a tower under
construction. A care flight helicopter transporting a crash victim smacked
it and everyone died.


Cameron

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:11 PM, RickG  wrote:

> If you cant then every government emergency service agency around here is
> in trouble!
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> I know you can mount above it.  Tons of towers around here do.
>> On Dec 2, 2010 9:24 PM, "Christopher Hair"  wrote:
>> > At what height must a beacon light be placed on a tower. Can anything be
>> > mounted above the beacon light? Or must the beacon be at the highest
>> point
>> > on the tower? I have done several searches an cannot find a sound
>> answer?
>> > Need to mount 4 PMP 320 sector antennas that would be 6' to 8' above a
>> > beacon light on a water tower. Tower is 185' tall. See attached photo.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Chris
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Ductch Claim that Wi-Fi is killin Trees

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Yes, wi-fi kills trees for sure...

When they're in the fresnel zone, we cut them down!

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On 12/3/2010 8:36 AM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> Wi-Fi is killing trees, study finds
> Enjoying reading the latest technology news and reviews here on Crave? Hope
> you're pleased with yourself, because you're killing a tree. Dutch
> researchers have discovered the sad news that Wi-Fi makes trees sick.
> The tree-loving folks of Dutch city Alphen aan den Rijn commissioned the
> study after finding abnormalities on trees that couldn't be explained by
> known viral or bacterial infections. Over the last five years, the study
> found that all deciduous trees in the western world are affected by
> radiation from mobile-phone
> networks and wireless LANs.
>
> Over 70 per cent of trees in urban areas in the Netherlands are afflicted by
> Wi-Fi sickness, displaying significant variations in growth, and bleeding
> and fissures in their bark. That's compared with just 10 per cent showing
> symptoms five years ago. Meanwhile, trees in wooded areas remain happy and
> healthy, untroubled by wireless unwellness.
>
> We've been debating the health issues raised by Wi-Fi since Crave was
> knee-high to a router, examining contradictory findings
>  ague-49290554/>   way back in 2007. Since then, there hasn't been any
> conclusive proof whether Wi-Fi is harmful to humans or not.
> The Health Protection Agency
>  RadiationTopics/ElectromagneticFields/WiFi/>   states that "there is no
> consistent evidence to date that exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi and
> WLANs adversely affects the health of the general population". A small
> number of people suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity -- the
> symptoms of which include headaches and nausea -- but there's some debate
> about the degree to which those symptoms are actually caused by
> electromagnetic fields.
>
> Generally speaking, our exposure to radio signals from Wi-Fi is well below
> government safety levels, and much lower than from mobile phones, in part
> because you don't walk around with a router clamped to your ear. You'd have
> to live in a Wi-Fi hotspot for a year to absorb the same amount of radio
> waves as you would from a 20-minute phone call, and there's no concrete
> evidence that mobile phones are bad for you either. If you're worried, just
> make yourself a hat out of tin foil.
> We like trees an' all, but they're no Internet. There's only one thing for
> it: we'll just have to launch all the forests into space
>   . Right, time to make like a
> tree and leave.
>
>
> Read more:
> http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/wi-fi-is-killing-trees-study-finds-50001681/
> #ixzz173UMdYiX
>  />
>
> I think their comparison to mobile is bunk.
> I always have my router clamed to my ear when I am using Wi-Fi ...
>
>
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