[WISPA] Need Used or New 300mw Reliawave Bridge w/integrated 15dbi Antenna, 11Mbps
See Classified Ads http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2298id=174 Need Used or New 300mw Reliawave Bridge w/integrated 15dbi Antenna, 11Mbps Contact Information http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=2305i=174 Contact Rick S. Lopez Phone: (830) 854-1622 Location : Crystal City, Texas, United States Price $ 200.00 More Information This bridge was manufactured/sold by Demarc Technology Group LLC.More equipment specification detials are: Model #DT-RWB-MCPE-300-15a 300mw 802.11 Bridge w/15dbm Antenna, 11Mbps If any WISPA member has or knows of a vendor that has this equipment used or new, contact me at (830)854-1622 or ri...@vidayslaud.org Thanks, Rick WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Local Broadband Stimulus Winner asks for more Money?
³What is amazing that there is a group of Tea Partiers that are stating that this property is valued at almost ten time as to what the city is willing to sell the property for.³ TEA PARTIERS? - hu... On 12/28/10 7:32 AM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: What is amazing that there is a group of Tea Partiers that are stating that this property is valued at almost ten time as to what the city is willing to sell the property for. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Local Broadband Stimulus Winner asks for more Money?
LOL, yep . in fact going to one of their 'parties' tonight. I got a phone call from the Mayor of Farmington yesterday and he actually confirmed it, in a way. A building down the street was recently purchased for $900k and they tore the building down. This property, while not on Main street, but the next street over, is much larger than the other. So in no way can this property be worth $150k . See what they say in this article and comments: http://www.semissourian.com/story/1690734.html#Comments Victoria Proffer - President/CEO www.ShowMeBroadband.com www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: wisp-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wisp-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cliff LeBoeuf Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:52 AM To: victo...@stlbroadband.com; Principal WISPA Member List Cc: 'Missouri WISP Discussion'; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [Wisp] Local Broadband Stimulus Winner asks for more Money? What is amazing that there is a group of Tea Partiers that are stating that this property is valued at almost ten time as to what the city is willing to sell the property for. TEA PARTIERS? - hu... On 12/28/10 7:32 AM, Victoria Proffer victo...@stlbroadband.com wrote: What is amazing that there is a group of Tea Partiers that are stating that this property is valued at almost ten time as to what the city is willing to sell the property for. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] computer service business
I know many of you are involved in computer repair/service in addition to your WISP efforts. Does anyone have any information they are willing to share regarding buying/selling a computer repair/service business. I'm looking at getting back into that business as well as doing the WISP thing. I'm looking for first hand information of people involved in buying/selling such companies regarding valuation methods, negotiated prices, etc... If you don't want to share on list, I'd be glad to correspond via my non-list email jp at midcoast dot net or I can call you if you write to my mentioned non-list address. I will be a very confidential listener and not share anything on the Internet. If you have useful first hand data to share within the next day, I'll provide a $50 amazon gift certificate to you for your assistance. -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
My cost * 1.45, plus any other costs for transport between my connection and them J They are going ot use it, they have to pay for it. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: December 28, 2010 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
We do not have a dedicated service for residential. We charge 59/mo for 50GB and 99/mo for 100GB. If they go over twice we bump them to the next level of service. We will be going to metered billing in the spring which will solve this type of problem - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3344 - Release Date: 12/28/10 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
I don't have caps. I do offer dedicated or best effort. I have radio stations that stream audio 24/7 on best effort. I really don't care how they use it. The difference is on best effort if the system gets congested they are not guaranteed the bandwidth will be there to support their application. Dedicated is. I explain this to the customer and use it as a way to upsell if appropriate. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 1:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the xbox. Obviously limited to 1 that way. On Dec 28, 2010 7:16 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Well now I don't think I can do that to the one customer since the NAT is at the border. Then all the other customers would call because their game doesn't work. And that customer has a least 2 units. On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the xbox. Obviously limited to 1 that way. On Dec 28, 2010 7:16 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
That's my point. I am pretty sure you can dstnat and the other xbox will stay closed/restricted NAT. On Dec 28, 2010 7:57 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Well now I don't think I can do that to the one customer since the NAT is at the border. Then all the other customers would call because their game doesn't work. And that customer has a least 2 units. On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Then you will need to port forward 3074 to the xbox. Obviously limited to 1 that way. On Dec 28, 2010 7:16 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we NAT at the border, a packet sent to the address/port combination will get to the customer XBox. They are using a switch on the inside. On 12/28/2010 7:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Did you PAT to the xbox? Ie if a packet is sent to the customers ip seen by the world, would it hit the xbox? On Dec 28, 2010 7:08 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Since we have all ports open, well at least the ones described in anything I can find about XBox NAT, and NAT at the border, why would customers not have open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:03 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote: Not the best description, but http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=451043 I know the post you are talking about, but I can't seem to find it either. On 12/28/10 4:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a "dedicated" connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
Had a similar discussion with Liam at DataCom Specialist a week or so ago. He has a customer wanting his own private network and dedicated bandwidth but also wants it at 3 or 4 buildings, local wifi access and all. We were kicking around not only the network and equipment but also charging for the anticipated support as well. Hey, Liam! What did you settle on to charge that guy? Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
That would be this one.. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live It was originally from Liam. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
Does UPnP help? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That would be this one.. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live It was originally from Liam. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, why would a customer pay more for it? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
Dedicated bandwidth is Committed Information Rate or CIR They are hard limited to x. They get x no matter what. x of your backhaul is dedicated for their use. On 12/28/2010 10:05 PM, RickG wrote: Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, whywoulda customer pay more for it? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Iappreciateall the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a "dedicated" connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
I want to know what x is ;) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Dedicated bandwidth is Committed Information Rate or CIR They are hard limited to x. They get x no matter what. x of your backhaul is dedicated for their use. On 12/28/2010 10:05 PM, RickG wrote: Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, why would a customer pay more for it? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
To me there are two types of dedicated. First, the same dedicated that you would buy as fiber. Big $$$. A straight route from him and right out the gateway. Second, not an Up To speed but a guaranteed number set through your routing rules. One set for him no matter what, the rest for everyone else. More of a Shared Dedicated which wouldn't make any sense to anyone else except for those of us who deal with it. Just depends on his expectations and the size of his wallet which one he would want. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
Maybe you should dig a bit deeper into his expectations. Maybe he doesn't want any shaping or messing around with it. Possible he's had a bad experience with another provider overselling bandwidth..? Who knows. Time to sit down and qualify his wants against his real needs. Lots of time they have no idea what they really need, just what his idiot brother-in-law told him he needed. J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, why would a customer pay more for it? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
Exactly. Other bandwidth (residential for example) is best effort. In cases where we sell dedicated wireless, it comes with an SLA and is typically a PtP shot instead of PtMP. Or if it is PtMP, it's on a dedicated AP and is not over-subscribed like a normal AP would be. Nick On 12/28/2010 7:19 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Dedicated bandwidth is Committed Information Rate or CIR They are hard limited to x. They get x no matter what. x of your backhaul is dedicated for their use. On 12/28/2010 10:05 PM, RickG wrote: Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, why would a customer pay more for it? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com mailto:jchi...@gmail.com wrote: My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
x is what ever speed you are selling him. 1Meg bit per sec? 10 Meg bit per sec? On 12/28/2010 10:46 PM, RickG wrote: I want to know what "x" is ;) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Dedicated bandwidth is Committed Information Rate or CIR They are hard limited to x. They get x no matter what. x of your backhaul is dedicated for their use. On 12/28/2010 10:05 PM, RickG wrote: Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, whywoulda customer pay more for it? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Iappreciateall the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a "dedicated" connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
This is an interesting discussion... we have had some internal discussions about this exact topic, I would be very curious as to the answers if others are willing to share. From our side, technically we know that someone who is using a 'nailed' up connection taxes our system a lot more than others who have bandwidth usage on demand. We do have two category of service, one is business class, and other is enterprise class. Business class is priced more like DSL /Cable Service (Asymmetric) and is priced in similar range $50 $100/month. Enterprise Class service is symmetric and priced in-line with T1's and MetroEthernet Services ( twice the bandwidth of a t1 for a bit less that the least expensive t1, and 10megx10meg Enterprise service is priced approximately 1/2 of what a typical wire line 10meg service would cost. From the Customer's perspective, there is a perceived difference between the two grades of service, other than the symmetric / asymmetric and bandwidth aspect of the service. From a technical perspective, I can define the attributes that differentiate the two services, but conveying that to the customer in a manner other than 'perceived value' has been a serious challenge. Ironically, we have been forced to throttle our basic plans to tight compliance of how we defined them, otherwise the users were not seeing any real reason to 'upgrade' to a faster / higher bandwidth package. It is rather interesting, most folks we have who have purchased the Enterprise Plans, have comparatively less usage than those who choose to go with the cheaper value plans. We see them trying to do all kinds of stuff which is much better suited for the Enterprise Class Service... but they simple do not wish to pay for it. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 12/28/2010 10:46 PM, RickG wrote: I want to know what x is ;) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Dedicated bandwidth is Committed Information Rate or CIR They are hard limited to x. They get x no matter what. x of your backhaul is dedicated for their use. On 12/28/2010 10:05 PM, RickG wrote: Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, why would a customer pay more for it? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com mailto:jchi...@gmail.com wrote: My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX Restricted NAT Reminder
The only way to make it Open is to 1:1 NAT or make it the default for all packets on their NAT IP. I nat at the border and just assign another IP and do subnet:1 NAt and then make the console the default. Do you have more then 1 customer per NAT IP?? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Thank you, Blake. That is the one. After the memory refresh, I still have one question. The router doing the NAT is a Mikrotik running 3.30. Is there a way to make it do Open NAT? On 12/28/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: On Dec 28, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I know someone posted a link to an excellent description of Microsoft's definition of restrict NAT, etc. I can not find that link. Would someone please remind me where to look. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Live/EngineeringBlog/NATs-and-xbox-live -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
True. They dont know what they want. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Maybe you should dig a bit deeper into his expectations. Maybe he doesn’t want any shaping or messing around with it. Possible he’s had a bad experience with another provider overselling bandwidth……? Who knows. Time to sit down and qualify his wants against his real needs. Lots of time they have no idea what they really need, just what his idiot brother-in-law told him he needed. J *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:06 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, why would a customer pay more for it? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dedicated bandwidth
Now we're getting warmer ;) Whether it's asyncronous or syncronous, CIR or MIR, what is it that defines it as dedicated? Is it that they can get their CIR at any given time? Or is it that they use (transfer) Xbps over a given amount of time? I know for my upstream, we have 40Mbps and I expect it 24x7. I really havent had many requests for dedicated, therefore have not given it much thought until this recent request. I know this customer will be taxing his connection therefore I'm trying to explain to him (and in my own mind) what parameters define his connection as dedicated versus non-dedicated. I'm curious as to how others handle this. Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: This is an interesting discussion... we have had some internal discussions about this exact topic, I would be very curious as to the answers if others are willing to share. From our side, technically we know that someone who is using a 'nailed' up connection taxes our system a lot more than others who have bandwidth usage on demand. We do have two category of service, one is business class, and other is enterprise class. Business class is priced more like DSL /Cable Service (Asymmetric) and is priced in similar range $50 $100/month. Enterprise Class service is symmetric and priced in-line with T1's and MetroEthernet Services ( twice the bandwidth of a t1 for a bit less that the least expensive t1, and 10megx10meg Enterprise service is priced approximately 1/2 of what a typical wire line 10meg service would cost. From the Customer's perspective, there is a perceived difference between the two grades of service, other than the symmetric / asymmetric and bandwidth aspect of the service. From a technical perspective, I can define the attributes that differentiate the two services, but conveying that to the customer in a manner other than 'perceived value' has been a serious challenge. Ironically, we have been forced to throttle our basic plans to tight compliance of how we defined them, otherwise the users were not seeing any real reason to 'upgrade' to a faster / higher bandwidth package. It is rather interesting, most folks we have who have purchased the Enterprise Plans, have comparatively less usage than those who choose to go with the cheaper value plans. We see them trying to do all kinds of stuff which is much better suited for the Enterprise Class Service... but they simple do not wish to pay for it. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 12/28/2010 10:46 PM, RickG wrote: I want to know what x is ;) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Dedicated bandwidth is Committed Information Rate or CIR They are hard limited to x. They get x no matter what. x of your backhaul is dedicated for their use. On 12/28/2010 10:05 PM, RickG wrote: Sorry, I'm not being clear. What defines the difference between your dedicated and non-dedicated? In other words, why would a customer pay more for it? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.comwrote: My dedicated plan is a capped bandwidth. No limit on usage per month. Sent from my iPhone4 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I appreciate all the feedback but my questions was not about cost, it was about definition. What defines dedicated? Is it a minimum amount of bandwidth per hour, day, week, month or ? On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: commercial connection. sell as x amount of bits/sec and bill accordingly. On 12/28/2010 2:53 PM, RickG wrote: I have a customer that I suspect will use the connection 24x7. How does everyone define a dedicated connection? -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
