[WISPA] Last Day for Early Registration - Win an Apple iPad
Today is the last day to register for the FISPA/WISPA Service Provider Summit at the low price of $159. Tomorrow it will raise to $199. Make sure you register today and enter to win an Apple IPad. This event is really shaping up with very good speakers and topics. There are a lot of issues surrounding our industry right now. Don't get left behind. Learn the latest news and help WISPA define its strategy for the coming years. Companies that are considering WISPA membership can earn a $50 discount on membership dues by attending this conference and joining at the same time. Click the link below to see the agenda, exhibitors and to register. Attend the Orlando Service http://fispawispaspring2011.eventbrite.com/ Provider Summit March 23-25 Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google chrome notebooks.
I got mine already they are Awesome! On 2/14/2011 3:48 PM, wphipp...@gmail.com wrote: Just to let you know, Google are giving away chrome notebooks for testing. https://services.google.com/fb/forms/cr48advanced/ Best wishes, Will Sent from my HTC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google chrome notebooks.
I signed up for it months ago but haven’t received it or anything else. Did you put anything special in your application? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of support Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google chrome notebooks. I got mine already they are Awesome! On 2/14/2011 3:48 PM, wphipp...@gmail.com wrote: Just to let you know, Google are giving away chrome notebooks for testing. https://services.google.com/fb/forms/cr48advanced/ Best wishes, Will Sent from my HTC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google chrome notebooks.
I made sure to note that I word for a WISP and would use it 24/7 and I work with linux a lot On 2/15/2011 10:22 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote: I signed up for it months ago but haven’t received it or anything else. Did you put anything special in your application? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of support Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google chrome notebooks. I got mine already they are Awesome! On 2/14/2011 3:48 PM, wphipp...@gmail.com wrote: Just to let you know, Google are giving away chrome notebooks for testing. https://services.google.com/fb/forms/cr48advanced/ Best wishes, Will Sent from my HTC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Tim Steele supp...@nitline.com NITLine Support (574) 772-7550 ext 103 www.NITLine.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF
sounds like congress! On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.comwrote: I live in one of these rural coop areas. I bet the rates here are much lower than the people in the city pay. The last home telephone I had(2008) ran me around $24/mth including all taxes, etc... with no long distance. The telco workers make twice to three times the hourly prevailing wage in this area, but on par with what a telco worker would make in say New Jersey. I think something is flawed in this? They are supposed to be non-profit and they making so much money, instead of giving it back to the coop members, they just give everyone raises and bonuses. I would like to know just how much they get in USF in my area. Oh, voice? Well, the real scandal of USF is that the ILEC-ETC is allowed to do practically anything so long as it's useful for voice. They can build Fiber to the Ranch, for $20,000+/home (CapEx) or more, or $1000/month per sub (though they propose making it harder to get $250/line/mo), if it also delivers voice, *even if* they already have copper to the ranch *and* an unlicensed WISP. Check out Border to Border in Texas. So USF does fund broadband; it just does it indirectly, by letting them build a broadband-ready network with subsidy money. The ISP they run across it is then incidental, not *directly* subsidized, but if the wire or fiber is already there, how much does more it cost to drop on broadband Internet? Thanks to this policy, many rural ILECs have better broadband coverage than unsubsidized Bells. This is the one that really gets under my skin. I compete against it every day and they get BIP/BTOP funding in addition. I think they need to FORCE every company getting funding from the government or USF to either separate their ISP/telco activities and resell to any ISP at the same rate as their ISP, or be FORCED to open their network for other ISP's to use at a competitive rate. I guess you could say I would like to see it got back to the Computer Inquiries. Nice explanation Fred. Scottie - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] A quick primer on USF First off, this last thread's title was offensive, so I changed it. The current Administration is not doing much that previous ones didn't do, and that's the problem. The FCC sees the spectrum as a source of revenue (auctions), and Congress sees the FCC as a source of subsidy money to rural states. USF exists because the Telecom Act requires it. USF replaced an even uglier system wherein rural telcos charged really really high switched access per minute rates to LD carriers at either end of the call. VoIP would have killed that anyway... so now there are explicit cash subsidies. Let's set aside the smaller parts of USF (Schools Libraries, Rural Health Care, and Low Income) and focus on the one on the table now, High Cost Support. This is the one that gets the bulk of the tax money anyway. The statutory requirement is that rural telephone rates be comparable (not identical) to urban ones. So if it really costs $100/month to provide telephone service in East Overshoe, then the East Overshoe Telephone Cooperative is entitled to USF to let them hold down the rate. But it's a lot more complicated than that. Cost is averaged across a study area, which is in general the operating territory of one (historic, pre-merger) telephone company in one state. So South Central Bell- Mississippi is one study area, and South Central Bell- Tennessee is another. Verizon has at least two study areas in California, though, one ex-Contel and one ex-GTE. CenturyTel has a heap of them all over the place, as does TDS. The point of averaging across a study area is that low-cost urban areas cross-subsidize high-cost rural ones. So Qwest in Omaha is supposed to subsidize Qwest in the rural parts of Nebraska. Thus the big recipients are the small telephone companies who do not have urban areas. That would be bad enough, but a small telephone company typically has a separate corporate structure, including IT, CS, etc., which supports very few subscribers. So the OpEx per subscriber can be really high too, because small telcos are inefficient. If TDS or CenturyTel buys them, they often keep the study areas separate... cost goes down but the money still flows! (The pending NPRM does however at least open the issue of merging study areas.) And the Bells, especially Qwest/USWest, have sold off a lot of rural areas. So they have lowered their average cost. This doesn't lower their rate, though, because they don't get USF anyway, and they are on price caps, not rate of return, so they keep their rates and raise their margins. The rural chains that buy the rural turf
[WISPA] RouterBoard 1100 Simple Queues
Anyone having an issue with simple queues not working (version 4.15) - maybe RB-1100 related?? Thanks ! Brad Hagstrom WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic
On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 00:34 -0500, Blair Davis wrote: I use a lot of omni's... 5-10 cust each... The most radio's I have in one box is 3... one on 2.4GHz, one on 900MHz, one on 5.8GHz And one other with one on 2.4GHz, one on 5.3GHz, and one on 5.8GHz And my experience with pigtails has been the opposite... The black ones work well, the clear ones are junk... I've used 3 radios in the past but, had to change that setup later on. I had to install 2 on one rb433 and the other on another rb433. I've used both, the black and clear pigtails and so far they both work fine. YMMV On 2/14/2011 11:45 PM, ch...@htswireless.com wrote: That's just plain ignorant! 6 radios? I think the o=most I have ever attempted was 2 in one unit. I've heard too many horror stories...! Actually in this town there's another wisp using a vertical omni and a horizontal omni. Plus the town is only like 2k pop. I ran like that for the better part of a year until I finally got around to sectorizing. That only got delayed because a tower I leased space on got cut down Chris -Original Message- From: Optimum Wireless Services Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 11:59 -0600, ch...@htswireless.com wrote: My experience is that with the crappy little grey or black pigtails your signal sucks. The copper braided pigtails like the Laird/Pac ones seem to do great. Not that I 'm downing Wisp-router, but they have always carried the crappy ones. I have avoided ordering any pigtails from them for quite a while so I don't know if they are still shipping those. Roc-noc, Wlanparts, Titan, to name a few always seen to ship the good copper ones. I've had 72 clients connected to a Mikrotik AP running a horizontal omni with little performance issues besides that fact that it had 72 clients on it... :) Chris Wow! 72 clients on an omni. That's impressive. Thats probably the only antenna trasnmiting around that area. I have an omni with 20 clients and get all sort of interference problems. Well, I'm glad I got a lot of explanations from the list. I WILL be printing these to show my friend. I just learned he has 6 radios installed on a RB600. How about that for self interference -Original Message- From: Brian Webster Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' ; wil...@optimumwireless.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic I agree with Fred. It's not about the number of clients that causes the problem. The physical separation of the radios is probably the key factor in the increased performance. Putting multiple radios with possibly leaky pigtails inside the same enclosure can introduce opportunities for self-interference by near field RF energies and mixing products. Unless an enclosure have been specifically designed, tested and built for that particular combination or radios and cable routing, there is no telling how it may or may not perform. Adding more radios to the MT just compounds the problem. Having the RF section outside the MT box is never a bad idea to avoid this phenomenon. Thank You, Brian Webster Skype: Radiowebst www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:35 AM To: wil...@optimumwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My friend's logic At 2/14/2011 08:50 AM, OptimumWS wrote: Hello. Thought I share this with the list. I have a friend that is using MT as ap on one of his towers with his radios in 10MHz and on another tower bullets with sector panels, similar set up on both towers except for the radios. He was explaining that he finds the bullets outperforms the ubiquiti radios on the MT by far. His explanation: The reason why bullets outperfoms the radios intalled on a router board is because of the pigtail used from the radio to the antenna. This pigtail works like a electricity cable in that the thicker the cable the more current is able to pass through so, the mikrotik pigtails are way too thin. When there is a certain number of clients connected to that radio the pigtail saturates the radio traffic because of the 'high traffic or current passing through the pigtail' and as a result; links between clients and ap can be slow and performance decreases. Now, the bullets do not have any pigtail or other connector and thats a reason why links with bullets are more stable and performs better than having a routerboard and radios with pigtails. What you guys think of his logic?
Re: [WISPA] RouterBoard 1100 Simple Queues
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 16:55, Jenco Wireless bradhagst...@gmail.comwrote: Anyone having an issue with simple queues not working (version 4.15) - maybe RB-1100 related?? I recently picked up an RB1100, with RouterOS 4.16, and seem to be having the same sort of problem. My weird fancy PCQ queues work great, but some of my simple queues, that should take priority over them, don't seem to be working. I'm using basically the same sorts of queuing that I'm using on dozens of other boards, the only difference being that this one is PowerPC and not MIPS (like all the 400s and 750s we use). Anyone know the official way to file a Mikrotik bug report? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RouterBoard 1100 Simple Queues
ROS 4.13 and later seem to not update the queue's properly in winbox... In my testing, it seems that the queue's are working, just they never seem to move in winbox... If you bring the graphing of a queue up in winbox, that one updates in winbox... Also, it seems that the queue's will update in winbox for a bit after you open the window and then just stop updating... This is just what I have seen, YMMV and my ROS is on an x86 system... On 2/15/2011 9:28 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 16:55, Jenco Wireless bradhagst...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone having an issue with simple queues not working (version 4.15) - maybe RB-1100 related?? I recently picked up an RB1100, with RouterOS 4.16, and seem to be having the same sort of problem. My weird fancy PCQ queues work great, but some of my simple queues, that should take priority over them, don't seem to be working. I'm using basically the same sorts of queuing that I'm using on dozens of other boards, the only difference being that this one is PowerPC and not MIPS (like all the 400s and 750s we use). Anyone know the official way to file a Mikrotik bug report? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RouterBoard 1100 Simple Queues
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 21:15, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: ROS 4.13 and later seem to not update the queue's properly in winbox... In my testing, it seems that the queue's are working, just they never seem to move in winbox... No, I'm referring to an instance where the queue definitely doesn't work. (After eight years of working for a WISP, there finally is coverage at my home. With the boss' okay, I gave myself more bandwidth than the normal customer, using exactly the same rules we do on dozens of other routers. On this router, a PowerPC-based RB1100, they don't work. Since the only new component is the specific Routerboard in use, it seems the most likely culprit.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Early Registration ends in 3 hours
Early registration for the Orlando Summit ends in 3 hours. Save $40 by saying YES now. Register here: Attend the Orlando Service http://fispawispaspring2011.eventbrite.com/ Provider Summit March 23-25 Respectfully, Rick Harnish Executive Director WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
