Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Rb1200 - issues with the power cord
Nothing a dab of super glue would not cure! Lol. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:29 PM To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Rb1200 - issues with the power cord Happened with the 1100 version too. The easiest part to get right and they didn't. I don't think the 3 prongs are normal I tried multiple cords and no dice. Wiggle the cord the power shuts off. Our solution? Use the POE port to power the device. Problem solved. Even though I have no desire to own a 1200 I figured they could have at least fixed the issues with the 1100s... Guess not. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Rb1200 - issues with the power cord Hi All, I have put on the table some RB1200 and I have noticed that sometimes when we move or hit those boxes they turn off. The power cord, looks wead and not so stable. So I was thinking it's only one defective unit, then I noticed it's the same on the units we received. Do you have a similar behaviour from RB1200? Solutions or workarounds? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Power for tower sites
Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Power with 12v then? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * ** ** Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? ** ** Chris ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** ** ** Justin ** ** -- Justin Wilson http://j...@mtin.netj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/bloghttp://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2swhttp://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter ** ** *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comwww.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11*** * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Do you need 120vac? I have a fair amount of experience with inverters, which basically is a UPS that doesn't come with a battery. I find them to be much better quality than a UPS. I would definitely use an inverter before I'd use a UPS. I realize the UPS have monitoring and remote control features that you might not get with inverters but I'd add something to give me that functionality. One feature you'll get with the better inverters is the ability to tailor your charge cycle and depth of discharge before the LVD kicks in to your battery bank. If you have the capacity to justify an Outback brand inverter they are great. We use them in the Amazon where we get some wicked lightning and they do really good. Some Engineers that used to be with Trace left and started Outback. If you don't need 120vac and could use just 12 and 24vdc I'd use separate battery banks for both voltages with a good battery charger that charges each 12 volt cell individually even though they're in series. I know of a good charger (I can't think of the brand right now) that does multiple cells. It's basically a bank of chargers in once case. It maintains each battery perfectly according to it's own needs. Though that charger is not adjustable, it's strictly for normal lead acid deep cycle batteries. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Are you connecting the marine batteries in parallel with the internal gel-cell battieries on the UPS? If so, not good. Lead-acid and gel-cells charge at different rates. Disconnect the gel-cells. Run off just the marine batteries. Rod == - Original Message - From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I have heard that, but I have 100's of 411s all powered with PacWireless 24V POE. We have 40 or more RB433 and RB433AH all powered with 24. The key here is, at towers we us adjustable power supplies and adjust it while watch the RB's reported voltage. We never exceed 24.5 volts and all seems well. We use MeanWell AD-155B supplies or MeanWell DR-24-120 with Meanwell UPS-40. Not DC to AC conversion so the batteries will run the equipment much longer than a normal UPS. On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com mailto:pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
+1 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I have heard that, but I have 100's of 411s all powered with PacWireless 24V POE. We have 40 or more RB433 and RB433AH all powered with 24. The key here is, at towers we us adjustable power supplies and adjust it while watch the RB's reported voltage. We never exceed 24.5 volts and all seems well. We use MeanWell AD-155B supplies or MeanWell DR-24-120 with Meanwell UPS-40. Not DC to AC conversion so the batteries will run the equipment much longer than a normal UPS. On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin This may answer why I was experiencing some weird problems with some rb433's I had powered with 24V power supplies. I had to replace them because they were locking up on me. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com mailto:pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
+1 on outback from what I've heard, I was just never able to justify more than xantrex for my purposes. I have found some really really great prices for xantrex on ebay from time to time. You could use a 24v flavor inverter charger and then use a voltage regulator to take the sloppy battery 24v and regulate it for the 24v powered devices perhaps... This would still offer power for 120vac loads if you have those as well. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: +1 ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:09 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** I have heard that, but I have 100's of 411s all powered with PacWireless 24V POE. We have 40 or more RB433 and RB433AH all powered with 24. The key here is, at towers we us adjustable power supplies and adjust it while watch the RB's reported voltage. We never exceed 24.5 volts and all seems well. We use MeanWell AD-155B supplies or MeanWell DR-24-120 with Meanwell UPS-40. Not DC to AC conversion so the batteries will run the equipment much longer than a normal UPS. On 9/20/2011 12:51 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. ** ** Justin ** ** -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter ** ** *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** ** ** ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org ** ** Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ** ** Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration ** ** ** ** Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11*** * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
We are using just the wet cell batteries. The idea was to make use of some old UPS where the batteries had died. Has anyone heard of an issue where the UPS is looking for 13+ volts and the marine batteries are outputting only 12 volts and this causes a problem? Is anyone successfully running a configuration similar to ours that I might learn from? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rod Shepardson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Are you connecting the marine batteries in parallel with the internal gel-cell battieries on the UPS? If so, not good. Lead-acid and gel-cells charge at different rates. Disconnect the gel-cells. Run off just the marine batteries. Rod == - Original Message - From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms?
Mikrotik (the dude) works great Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms? It is indeed SQLite3 which for some reason means when your db file gets to 2GB the whole thing crashes. There are some nice features on the beta which aren't usable as they record so much info. Seems this limit has been there for a very long time but MT don't seem to bothered. Guess it's because it's free software. On 19/09/2011 20:31, Sam Tetherow wrote: I thought I read somewhere that the db files where sqlite3 files. I don't run Dude so I can't test. On 9/19/11 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: No. It's something like tar -tzf dudebackup.tgz dude.db files/ files/something.log files/myfont.ttf files/anotherlog.log Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: What if you do an export? Don't you get an XML file? On 9/19/2011 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: That is true in 3.6. Not in 4.0b3. It's a gzip'ed tarball with dude.db (binary) and the files dir. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: Dude configuration file is XML On 9/19/2011 1:38 PM, Chris Stradtman wrote: Along the same lines... Is there anyway to preload dude? For example, If you already know all the IPs and community strings of all the devices that you should be able to see, I would like to enter the info directly in bulk (Usually several hundred devices) and then use Dude to monitor the deployment of the network... Thanks, Chris Stradtman On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Ed Spoon - CSS, Inc. ed.sp...@cssla.com wrote: Dude 3.6 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I never run anything Mikrotik Beta. Their release software is beta enough for me. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/19/2011 11:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: What version of the Dude are you guys running? v4 b3 seems very unnerving. Back ups needed to be repeatedly attempted =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: The Dude in use for over a year even moved config 3 times to better servers as the network grew. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ed Spoon - CSS, Inc. Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms? Have been using the Dude as my production monitor for over 3 years, works great. Monitoring DS3 and wireless backhauls, Metro-E, wireless and DSL subs. Also Routers, switches and server services. Ed Spoon Manager of Internet Services triparish.net / cajun.net Member: FISPA / WISPA Ph: 985-879-3219 / Fax: 985-876-6789 Computer Sales Services, Inc. Error! Filename not specified. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it wrote: hum.. I don't know... I tested the dude a couple of years ago and it had the bad habit to reset the configuration, but maybe it was the unstability of the version Do you have it in production without any issue? Thank you Dude. It e-mails, creates sounds, and even tells you where the problem is! *--- **_Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer_** **Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office*: 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com//* *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2011 9:48 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] What is everybody using for alarms? We use PRTG, The latest one. We watch the
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
In 24V, something like: http://www.ebay.com/itm/XANTREX-TRACE-TR1524-INVERTER-CHARGER-1500-WATT-24-V-/180574328564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2a0b1196f4#ht_4910wt_1139 might do what you want... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. ** ** Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach...* *** On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11*** * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 ** ** ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites ** ** How much do you want to spend? ** ** Greg ** ** On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Ihnen *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach...* *** On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO.*** * Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness.* *** Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter *From: *Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *[WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
We use the 1500 APCs (non SMART-ups), but when the batteries are at the end of their life, the entire unit shuts off and we have to visit the site. We still continue to use them until we find something better, but at about 3 years, expect the sites to randomly shut off. Eric From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Announcements] Cambium Networks CEO Phil Bolt to Keynote at WISPAPALOOZA Awards Dinner
This is gonna be great! I saw a sneak peek of their products last week, y'all are gonna love it! -drew From: announcements-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:announcements-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:28 PM To: announceme...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA Announcements] Cambium Networks CEO Phil Bolt to Keynote at WISPAPALOOZA Awards Dinner Cambium Networks CEO Phil Bolt to Keynote at WISPAPALOOZA Awards Dinner Sep. 20, 2011 - Phil Bolt, CEO of newly formed Cambium Networks, will share his vision of growth for Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISP) on Oct 12 at the WISPAPALOOZA https://netforum.avectra.com/eweb/Shopping/Shopping.aspx?Cart=0Site=WISPA conference Oct 10-12 in Las Vegas. Wireless ISPs provide broadband connectivity that is vitally important to business and residential customers around the world, says Mr. Bolt. Cambium Networks equips WISPs with the technology that makes them the best available supplier of connectivity for their target customers. As demand for broadband continues to grow, WISPs, Cambium Networks and our partners are uniquely positioned to grow by offering expanded service offerings and enabling new applications. Wireless ISPs provide broadband connectivity for business and residential customers. WISPs also provide video surveillance applications for business and government, communications infrastructure for enterprises, campus wide connectivity for business and education facilities along with residential broadband access. Cambium Networks is a significant contributor to the WISP industry, says Rick Harnish, Executive Director of WISPA. The Canopy and Orthogon product lines are cornerstones to the creation of the WISP industry. The investment in creating Cambium Networks speaks to the strength of the future of wireless broadband technology and provides a renewed focus on the growth of this industry. The WISPAPALOOZA conference offers a highly interactive forum for WISPA members to learn about new opportunities and approaches to become better, efficient and more successful. Cambium Networks' award winning Orthogon point-to-point (PTP) radio solutions operate in licensed, unlicensed and defined use frequency bands. With 99.999% availability, these ruggedized solutions have an impeccable track record for delivering reliable connectivity even in the most challenging RF environments. The flexible Canopy point-to-multipoint (PMP) access network solutions operate in the licensed, unlicensed and federal frequency bands, providing reliable, secure, cost effective connectivity. With more than 3 million modules deployed in networks around the world, PMP access network solutions are proven in residential access, leased line replacement, video surveillance and smart grid infrastructure applications. In his presentation, Mr. Bolt, with decades of experience in developing high performance technology, will share his views on the real world connectivity opportunities for WISPs. He will also share how the key assets of Cambium Networks are focused on growth opportunities for service providers, partners and end customers. # # # About Cambium Networks Cambium Networks provides professional grade fixed broadband and microwave solutions for network operators around the world. Deployed in thousands of networks in 120 countries, our industry leading technology provides reliable, secure, cost effective connectivity that works immediately and over time. Our ecosystem of partners, development engineers, and support teams work together to design and deliver innovative solutions that provide data, voice and video connectivity when and where it is needed. About WISPA http://www.wispa.org/ WISPA, a 501c6 trade association for the fixed wireless broadband industry works to promote the development, advancement and unification of the wireless Internet service provider industry. WISPAPALOOZA is a registered trademark of WISPA. Forward-Looking Statements This press release contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable federal securities laws. These statements are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and generally include word such as believes, expects, intends, anticipates, estimates and similar expressions. We can give no assurance that any future results or events discussed in these statements will be achieved. Any forward-looking statements WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Wow, that's scraping the bottom of the barrel. At that price you might be able to get something from Tripplite that includes charger if you find a really good deal. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 - Release Date: 09/20/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
It sounds to me like Pat's issue is the power is bad enough there that the UPS is going to invert often and it's killing his batteries because the UPS charges a lot more slowly than it discharges the batteries when it's inverting. There's a ratio of invert to charge time that if you exceed it can't keep up. I suspect if he just added a battery charger to what he's presently got he would find his batteries would last as they should. That would explain the battery issue, but why are the UPS going bad? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: If you are NOT worried about uptime, you could get an APC 1500 or 2200 with an AP9617. Those units are quite good, but they're AC/DC/AC/DC from utility to your radios. I think 80 watts gets you an hour of uptime? I've never had a unit go bad, I always buy refurb'ed units and new batteries. Running three of them for a couple of years now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What’s a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Here's what I would recommend: 120W 24V power supply - 43.65 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-120-24.shtml 24V UPS Module - 44.46 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-ups40.shtml 24V DC/AC Inverter - 169.86 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/ts-200-124a.shtml 257.97 plus shipping. Plus throw in 2 - 18Ah or 35Ah SLA's and you got a nice setup. Chris This is of course an AC/DC/AC setup. Throw in a couple of Packet Flux POE switches and a site monitor and you could get rid of the inverter. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3908 -
Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense
The mythical starving Congresscritter has never been located. If one had ever been found, I'd be prepared to agree with you. But, since most of them are far wealthier than you and I have any chance to be, then I'd say this is invalid. The fact of the matter, is that issue at hand is who holds the power. Congress and the federal government have vastly too much power. The idea that they can demand you and I to obtain a permit or implement some network notion is absurdly insane.It is sheer lunacy beyond all measure of sense, intelligence, or reason. The Constitution never gave them those powers. But, with those powers being exercised, EVERYONE HAS AN INTEREST IN CORRUPTING CONGRESS TO HELP THEM. If Congress can't make you buy insurance, can't make you build a house with 8 million added on expenses that fund special interests ( low flow toilets, cars with air bags, all sorts of other sheer lunacy), then they have no reason to try to corrupt Congress either. The matter is, that Congress has vastly too much money, too much power, and thus, IS INHERENTLY CORRUPT.The only cure is to restore the Constitution and limit Congress to those few, specific items it shoulid be doing, with all the oversight and checks and balances that were built in. Do that, and our debt problems vanish overnight, our economic problems vanish with it, and our social problems start mending - FAST.EVERY crisis facing America is directly caused by exceeding the boundaries that are plainly written into our Constitution. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense To explain my mentality on that... I believe most congressman are people with good intentions who want to do good for their state, and effect posititve change. Intentions are always good. If they weren't they never would have got into politics in the first place. Many have high ethical morals, to fight for the cause, and never consider selling out their beliefs. Most people when they have a decent amount of money that affords them a fine basic life without to much compromise, its usually enough, for them to stay strong to their morals. The issue comes when a congressman has to choose between his family and his constituents. Family will always be more important WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Get the sdr-120-24. Cheaper and smaller but otherwise identical. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sep 20, 2011 6:37 PM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Here's what I would recommend: 120W 24V power supply - 43.65 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-120-24.shtml 24V UPS Module - 44.46 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/dr-ups40.shtml 24V DC/AC Inverter - 169.86 http://www.trcelectronics.com/Meanwell/ts-200-124a.shtml 257.97 plus shipping. Plus throw in 2 - 18Ah or 35Ah SLA's and you got a nice setup. Chris This is of course an AC/DC/AC setup. Throw in a couple of Packet Flux POE switches and a site monitor and you could get rid of the inverter. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I thought like +/- $200.00 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites How much do you want to spend? Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: What's a good model to look for? They seem kind of pricey. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites I was going to mention Xantrex as a contender. They used to be Trace Engineering. They make a decent inverter. Tripp Lite makes some special high quality high reliability inverters for things like ambulances if you need something a cut above. The cream of the crop is the Outback. Greg On Sep 20, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote: I have had good luck with some of my servers using a xantrex inverter/charger and a pile of wal-mart car batteries. It's not pretty but I have had no power drops in a couple of years. Since the unit is designed for RVs etc, it will keep the 12v pile charged even in the face of 12v drain, so you can drive both 120vac and 12vdc loads off the same setup. It will charge the batteries when they need it and ac is available, and float them after they are charged, and use the batteries to provide ac if the mains ac disappears. You decide how big a pile of batteries to attach... On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Whatever works best for reasonable $ :-) it's been a nightmare so far. Starting to upset customers. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Chris Hudson ch...@htswireless.com wrote: Is this just while using the Jack? Via POE, 24V is the way to go.. IMO. Do you want to make a full conversion to DC? Or just replace the typical UPS setup? Chris From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Careful on powering most Mikrotiks with 24 volt. We have found, and verified with roc-noc and some others, that many of the MT boards will get hot with 24 volts to the DC jack and lockup and other weirdness. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:45:49 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Power for tower sites Currently we are having some horrible issues with power at our tower sites. Our current configuration is that we have tripplite smart 500VA rackmout UPS connected to deep cycle marine battery. This seems to work OK for a month or so and then kills either the battery or the UPS or both. We then notice that the equipment at the tower will power off (battery shuts down for about 10 min) and then powers back on. This happens almost daily and in some cases multiple times in a day. I think it may have to do with the output volts of the battery not being high enough for the UPS to operate. We are desperately looking for other alternatives to what we are doing to resolve this issue. Most equipment will operate at 12/24 volt. 1x Mikrotik, 2x Trango AP, 2x Trango Link45, 4x UBNT Rocket. Any suggestions are appreciated. Pat Csweb.net http://Csweb.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Rb1200 - issues with the power cord
Seriously, it moves so much I'd say more like a tube of jb weld epoxy Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:07 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Rb1200 - issues with the power cord Nothing a dab of super glue would not cure! Lol. --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:29 PM To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Rb1200 - issues with the power cord Happened with the 1100 version too. The easiest part to get right and they didn't. I don't think the 3 prongs are normal I tried multiple cords and no dice. Wiggle the cord the power shuts off. Our solution? Use the POE port to power the device. Problem solved. Even though I have no desire to own a 1200 I figured they could have at least fixed the issues with the 1100s... Guess not. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Rb1200 - issues with the power cord Hi All, I have put on the table some RB1200 and I have noticed that sometimes when we move or hit those boxes they turn off. The power cord, looks wead and not so stable. So I was thinking it's only one defective unit, then I noticed it's the same on the units we received. Do you have a similar behaviour from RB1200? Solutions or workarounds? Thank you -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Power for tower sites
Scott... i forwarded this to my engineering buddy at a major Wisp... ... lets see he can chip in some. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: 24v to poe is fine, we don't power anything directly except routers Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- Robert Q Kim SEO Marketing Advisor Google Page 1 http://sparkah.com/google 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
