[WISPA] Mobile Cellphone Booster
Anyone know of a mobile cellphone booster that works well on the road? Having issues getting service and getting mobile hotspot to work when out of town. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mobile Cell phone Booster
Wilson electronics, I have one of their mobile units in my car. If there is one bar outside, I have 5 inside. for store locator, here is their site http://www.wilsonelectronics.com/Productlisting.aspx?Category=8 or direct service and answers; http://www.alternativewireless.com/cellular-antennas/improving-cell-phone-re ception/cell-phone-power-boosters.html or Amazon; http://www.amazon.com/s/183-9920895-0037934?ie=UTF8tag=mozilla-20index=ble ndedlink_code=qsfield-keywords=wilson%20electronics%20signal%20boostersou rceid=Mozilla-search -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 4:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mobile Cellphone Booster Anyone know of a mobile cellphone booster that works well on the road? Having issues getting service and getting mobile hotspot to work when out of town. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DMCA Takedown
How do you all respond to these takedowns? Do we need to respond back to our provider with anything? We've just been passing the information onto the customer in jeopardy. Are we doing all of our part? Most of the time its kids downloading games. So we send the parents an email and phone call talking about the takedown request. Is that enough or should we be responding to the provider that we contacted the pesky kids that foiled everything? Thanks Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
My .02 It's not illegal until a court, or law enforcement agency presents paperwork it is. It is not up to the ISP to be the Police. To me that¹s a loosing scenario to determine what is lawful and what is not. Let the experts determine that. My response to these is something along these lines: Thank you for contacting us. We would be glad to cooperate with any official legal request. Please have your attorneys forward all appropriate paperwork to Insert Law Firm contact info here. If you want to take the extra step throw in there you charge an administrative fee for providing any information on this customer. After legal paperwork has been cleared by your attorney of course. After all, you are helping these people (most of these are from law firms seeking a bounty) make money themselves. The only way I would turn over any sort of customer info is due to a subpoena or other such legal document. Lessens your exposure for lawsuits from the customers based upon privacy concerns. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:16:47 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown How do you all respond to these takedowns? Do we need to respond back to our provider with anything? We¹ve just been passing the information onto the customer in jeopardy. Are we doing all of our part? Most of the time its kids downloading games. So we send the parents an email and phone call talking about the takedown request. Is that enough or should we be responding to the provider that we contacted the pesky kids that foiled everything? Thanks Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
Ya we don't give any customer information to anyone. We just pass along the takedown notice to the customer and tell them to stop. We were just wondering if anyone had any kind of official template or if they even passed along any notice to the customer at all stating they have been downloading copyrighted material. Does your customers even know they have been doing anything wrong before a subpoena is made? We've never received any of these until we switched providers. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown My .02 It's not illegal until a court, or law enforcement agency presents paperwork it is. It is not up to the ISP to be the Police. To me that's a loosing scenario to determine what is lawful and what is not. Let the experts determine that. My response to these is something along these lines: Thank you for contacting us. We would be glad to cooperate with any official legal request. Please have your attorneys forward all appropriate paperwork to Insert Law Firm contact info here. If you want to take the extra step throw in there you charge an administrative fee for providing any information on this customer. After legal paperwork has been cleared by your attorney of course. After all, you are helping these people (most of these are from law firms seeking a bounty) make money themselves. The only way I would turn over any sort of customer info is due to a subpoena or other such legal document. Lessens your exposure for lawsuits from the customers based upon privacy concerns. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:16:47 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown How do you all respond to these takedowns? Do we need to respond back to our provider with anything? We've just been passing the information onto the customer in jeopardy. Are we doing all of our part? Most of the time its kids downloading games. So we send the parents an email and phone call talking about the takedown request. Is that enough or should we be responding to the provider that we contacted the pesky kids that foiled everything? Thanks Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
If I get repeated requests for the same customer my response to a customer is to tell them they may have a virus, spyware, or a teenager. I spin it where the very act of doing this is slowing down the customer's connection. If they are a customer who seems reasonable it might be prudent to mention such activities could expose them to lawsuits by movie companies. I don't mention illegal as to not freak out most customers. On the flipside you have the customers who share files just to be defiant to the RIAA. I don't have time to debate them. I typically do not pass on the request directly to the customer. Too many shady firms out there. If the customer contacts them they can be bullied into paying money. I just file these requests away and do respond to CYA. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:42:05 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Ya we don¹t give any customer information to anyone. We just pass along the takedown notice to the customer and tell them to stop. We were just wondering if anyone had any kind of official template or if they even passed along any notice to the customer at all stating they have been downloading copyrighted material. Does your customers even know they have been doing anything wrong before a subpoena is made? We¹ve never received any of these until we switched providers. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown My .02 It's not illegal until a court, or law enforcement agency presents paperwork it is. It is not up to the ISP to be the Police. To me that¹s a loosing scenario to determine what is lawful and what is not. Let the experts determine that. My response to these is something along these lines: Thank you for contacting us. We would be glad to cooperate with any official legal request. Please have your attorneys forward all appropriate paperwork to Insert Law Firm contact info here. If you want to take the extra step throw in there you charge an administrative fee for providing any information on this customer. After legal paperwork has been cleared by your attorney of course. After all, you are helping these people (most of these are from law firms seeking a bounty) make money themselves. The only way I would turn over any sort of customer info is due to a subpoena or other such legal document. Lessens your exposure for lawsuits from the customers based upon privacy concerns. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:16:47 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown How do you all respond to these takedowns? Do we need to respond back to our provider with anything? We¹ve just been passing the information onto the customer in jeopardy. Are we doing all of our part? Most of the time its kids downloading games. So we send the parents an email and phone call talking about the takedown request. Is that enough or should we be responding to the provider that we contacted the pesky kids that foiled everything? Thanks Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
Ok. We just contacted a customer for the first time. We'll take your advice I think and respond to them and save the customer the grief. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown If I get repeated requests for the same customer my response to a customer is to tell them they may have a virus, spyware, or a teenager. I spin it where the very act of doing this is slowing down the customer's connection. If they are a customer who seems reasonable it might be prudent to mention such activities could expose them to lawsuits by movie companies. I don't mention illegal as to not freak out most customers. On the flipside you have the customers who share files just to be defiant to the RIAA. I don't have time to debate them. I typically do not pass on the request directly to the customer. Too many shady firms out there. If the customer contacts them they can be bullied into paying money. I just file these requests away and do respond to CYA. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:42:05 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Ya we don't give any customer information to anyone. We just pass along the takedown notice to the customer and tell them to stop. We were just wondering if anyone had any kind of official template or if they even passed along any notice to the customer at all stating they have been downloading copyrighted material. Does your customers even know they have been doing anything wrong before a subpoena is made? We've never received any of these until we switched providers. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown My .02 It's not illegal until a court, or law enforcement agency presents paperwork it is. It is not up to the ISP to be the Police. To me that's a loosing scenario to determine what is lawful and what is not. Let the experts determine that. My response to these is something along these lines: Thank you for contacting us. We would be glad to cooperate with any official legal request. Please have your attorneys forward all appropriate paperwork to Insert Law Firm contact info here. If you want to take the extra step throw in there you charge an administrative fee for providing any information on this customer. After legal paperwork has been cleared by your attorney of course. After all, you are helping these people (most of these are from law firms seeking a bounty) make money themselves. The only way I would turn over any sort of customer info is due to a subpoena or other such legal document. Lessens your exposure for lawsuits from the customers based upon privacy concerns. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:16:47 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown How do you all respond to these takedowns? Do we need to respond back to our provider with anything? We've just been passing the information onto the customer in jeopardy. Are we doing all of our part? Most of the time its kids downloading games. So we send the parents an email and phone call talking about the takedown request. Is that enough or should we be responding to the provider that we contacted the pesky kids that foiled everything? Thanks Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
We put them in a ticket on the customer account. We suspend the customer requesting they call us. We inform the customer of the issue and that we have a 3 strike policy regarding this. Typically Torrenting customers are problem customers and high usage anyways. The parents rarely understand, and typically they scare the kids into removing the programs. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok. We just contacted a customer for the first time. We’ll take your advice I think and respond to them and save the customer the grief. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown If I get repeated requests for the same customer my response to a customer is to tell them they may have a virus, spyware, or a teenager. I spin it where the very act of doing this is slowing down the customer's connection. If they are a customer who seems reasonable it might be prudent to mention such activities could expose them to lawsuits by movie companies. I don't mention illegal as to not freak out most customers. On the flipside you have the customers who share files just to be defiant to the RIAA. I don't have time to debate them. I typically do not pass on the request directly to the customer. Too many shady firms out there. If the customer contacts them they can be bullied into paying money. I just file these requests away and do respond to CYA. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:42:05 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Ya we don’t give any customer information to anyone. We just pass along the takedown notice to the customer and tell them to stop. We were just wondering if anyone had any kind of official template or if they even passed along any notice to the customer at all stating they have been downloading copyrighted material. Does your customers even know they have been doing anything wrong before a subpoena is made? We’ve never received any of these until we switched providers. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown My .02 It's not illegal until a court, or law enforcement agency presents paperwork it is. It is not up to the ISP to be the Police. To me that’s a loosing scenario to determine what is lawful and what is not. Let the experts determine that. My response to these is something along these lines: Thank you for contacting us. We would be glad to cooperate with any official legal request. Please have your attorneys forward all appropriate paperwork to Insert Law Firm contact info here. If you want to take the extra step throw in there you charge an administrative fee for providing any information on this customer. After legal paperwork has been cleared by your attorney of course. After all, you are helping these people (most of these are from law firms seeking a bounty) make money themselves. The only way I would turn over any sort of customer info is due to a subpoena or other such legal document. Lessens your exposure for lawsuits from the customers based upon privacy concerns. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:16:47 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown How do you all respond to these takedowns? Do we need to respond back to our provider with anything? We’ve just been passing the information onto the customer in jeopardy. Are we doing all of our part? Most of the time its kids downloading games. So we send the parents an email and phone call talking about the takedown request. Is that enough or should we be responding to the provider that we contacted the pesky kids that foiled everything? Thanks Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
Our network is NATed and hard to pin down the customer but about a year ago I had one customer who was behind the address the was being complained about that was uploading 20GB a month and it was all torrent. That's a bunch at 256K up. So I called and talked to dad. Explained our AUP on illegal material. The next day the dad brought the Kid to my office and had him sweep my service area floors while I factory restored of his computer to delete all the illegal content. I told the dad that this is not necessary and he informed me that it most definitely was. Since that time they have been great customers and bought several computers and I really appreciate the father making the kid follow the law. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFihttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Ok. We just contacted a customer for the first time. We'll take your advice I think and respond to them and save the customer the grief. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown If I get repeated requests for the same customer my response to a customer is to tell them they may have a virus, spyware, or a teenager. I spin it where the very act of doing this is slowing down the customer's connection. If they are a customer who seems reasonable it might be prudent to mention such activities could expose them to lawsuits by movie companies. I don't mention illegal as to not freak out most customers. On the flipside you have the customers who share files just to be defiant to the RIAA. I don't have time to debate them. I typically do not pass on the request directly to the customer. Too many shady firms out there. If the customer contacts them they can be bullied into paying money. I just file these requests away and do respond to CYA. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.commailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:42:05 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Ya we don't give any customer information to anyone. We just pass along the takedown notice to the customer and tell them to stop. We were just wondering if anyone had any kind of official template or if they even passed along any notice to the customer at all stating they have been downloading copyrighted material. Does your customers even know they have been doing anything wrong before a subpoena is made? We've never received any of these until we switched providers. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown My .02 It's not illegal until a court, or law enforcement agency presents paperwork it is. It is not up to the ISP to be the Police. To me that's a loosing scenario to determine what is lawful and what is not. Let the experts determine that. My response to these is something along these lines: Thank you for contacting us. We would be glad to cooperate with any official legal request. Please have your attorneys forward all appropriate paperwork to Insert Law Firm contact info here. If you want to take the extra step throw in there you charge an administrative fee for providing any information on this customer. After legal paperwork has been cleared by your attorney of course. After all, you are helping these people (most of these are from law firms seeking a bounty) make money themselves. The only way I would turn over any sort of customer info is due to a subpoena or other such legal document. Lessens your exposure for lawsuits from the customers based upon privacy concerns. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.commailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:16:47 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown How do you all respond to these takedowns? Do we need to respond back to our provider with anything? We've just been passing the information onto the
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
Our new policy is to ignore it, and not respond. 99% of them are automated, so they dont even know if you didn't respond, and responding just creates evidence that maybe you are aware of a violation, and thus more on their radar to harass. If we respond, we have a template response, that is basically Due to our privacy policy, we will only disclose information or take action in cases where an offical subpoena has been provided through a court order or valid law inforcement agency. If there is reason to suggest that we should disclose some information, such as that our upstream carrier is requiring us to make a response, we say something similar to... This IP is behind NAT, and We do not currently have a mechanism in place to determine the identity of the user of the IP. With that said, we do investigate internally almost all requests. These requests are good to help give clue that a customer might have a Virus of some sort. Many movie downloads are not intentional. We will almost always notify a downstreme user of the report. We will almost always briefly look at traffic to determine if further action should be taken to investigate, to protect network performance. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Andy Trimmell To: WISPA General List Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:16 PM Subject: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown How do you all respond to these takedowns? Do we need to respond back to our provider with anything? We've just been passing the information onto the customer in jeopardy. Are we doing all of our part? Most of the time its kids downloading games. So we send the parents an email and phone call talking about the takedown request. Is that enough or should we be responding to the provider that we contacted the pesky kids that foiled everything? Thanks Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT
Now that you know what the MCS standard is, now you just need to figure out whether the manufacturer followed the standard. There is no law that says they need to, and it could be considered a value add to improve on it. A perfect example is the discussion I was having simultaneously in the 900 thread. Does the radio TX on both antenna polarities when in mode MCS 0-7? One party stated they though selection MCS 0-7, disabled transmission on the second polarity. According to the standard, it should transmit on both polarities in MCS0-7. Single Chain having the meaning of 1 data set. Where in MCS0-7 the same data set would be transmitted accross both polarities creating two spacial streams of the same data, with an attempt to reduce error rate, but not increase speed, other than allow a higher modulation because less error rate. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert Canary rwcan...@mchn39.ocdirect.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Thank you, that's the most (and the best) info I have gotten on the UBNT from anyone. Could you explain what the MCS is, and why one would use it? Robert Canary OCDirect Electrical-Datacomm (866) 594-0786 Fax (270) 955-0362 Voice - Original Message - At 9/25/2011 02:23 PM, Robert Canary wrote: Keeping a link active versus maintaining throughput under divers conditions is two different things. For the money paid I would go with something like Alvarion. But then again, after 12 years, I would not invest big dollars in CPE or Access points. Only in the backhauls and infrastructures. The only reason I have not went UBNT, I have found much feed back on how they deal with interference, I like Frequency Hopper (FH) they keep a decent link through the most divers environments. But how does UBNT deal with interference? UBNT uses chips that are essentially software-defined radios. They implement the 802.11 G, A and N modulation. G and A are a fairly simple OFDM. -N is an OFDM with MIMO capability and some additional features. FH and DS are both older spread spectrum techniques; OFDM is wideband, but not really spread spectrum. The N specs in particular (which work on both 2.4 and 5 GHz bands) include a lot of modulation options (MCS). So you can select the modulation that works best on the link in question, and choose 5, 10, 20 or 40 MHz channels. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT
Actually, let me be more clear The Wikipedia chart lists the first 802.11N MCS0-32 modes standard. The heading spacial streams is somewhat mislabeled, and really means data spacial streams, infering that additiaonl data streams can be enabled if they are spacially apart to allow it. But really that column is representing numberof unique data streams supported. Modes 0-32 standard specifies the number of data streams supported for each mode. But no where does it reference the number of antennas that are specified or required to meet the standard. That I would assume would mean that it is left up to the manufacturer to deside. Wikipedia was clear on how to define MIMO. (A x B : C) A=max number of TR antenna supported B=max number if RCV antennas supported C=max number of data streams supported. 2x2:1 would mean two antennas both that could transmit and receive, but only one data stream, so same data would go across both antennas. 2x2:2 would mean two antennas for tx and rcv, and supports maximum of 2 different unique data streams, to double capacity. 1x1:1 would mean one antenna for tx and one for recv, and supports one data stream. The key here is max. What is a radio capable of if it isn't configured to do the max? UBNT Mimo supports 2x2:2 in its max configuration, which is enabled by choosing modes MCS 8-15. Thats a known fact. But no where is it documented what happens when select MCS0-7. Does UBNT become a 1x1:1, 2x2:1, 1x2:1, 2x1:1 radio? Thats up to UBNT. Technically the N standard doesn't care one way or the other. All that matters to the standard is how many unique data streams it needs to listen for, and allowed to transmit. Its irrelevent which antenna method gets utilized to get the signal there. To the radio it only distniguishes only the unique data streams. How many antennas used to send one data stream will change the received signal strength, but again the radio's mode doesn't care or isn;t dependant on it because, it is what it is that it hears, with the receiver antenna hearing everything that is in the air regardless of what transmitted it. (That obviously changes in 4x4 or 3x3 modes, since there are only two polarities available, and the additional streams must be achieved via some other spatial method other than polarity such as space or time spatial. Anyway, thats why MIMO is confusing. Because there are many options left up to the manufacture, that rarely show up defined on spec sheets. And I find few manufacturer tech support people know the answer when asked which all antenna modes are supported and configurable with their product. They immediately jump to MCS-0-15 that specify only modulation and coding, not antenna selection. Anotehr thing to note, MCS is not limited to 32, there are more. Atleast 64, maybe more modes. I beleive some of the higher modes add teh functionality for two chains to operate at different modes or modulations. I personally feel that functionality is one of the most important features for outdoor professional deployment of MIMO wireless, both to not waste spectrum (operate at highest reliable spectral efficiency per polarity at all times), and to reduce risk of using dual polarity (survive interference per polarity). For some reason the industry has not yet embraces that feature of the standard. It is more complex to consider the higher combinations of having mismatched modulation per polarity. Currently in mode 0-15, both chains must operate on the same modulation, if one chain switches modulation, so does the other. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
I had a bad day once and told one of these lawyer sharks to piss off. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/26/2011 12:16 PM, Andy Trimmell wrote: How do you all respond to these takedowns? Do we need to respond back to our provider with anything? We've just been passing the information onto the customer in jeopardy. Are we doing all of our part? Most of the time its kids downloading games. So we send the parents an email and phone call talking about the takedown request. Is that enough or should we be responding to the provider that we contacted the pesky kids that foiled everything? Thanks Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
+1 This is what we do as well. John On 09/26/2011 03:30 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We put them in a ticket on the customer account. We suspend the customer requesting they call us. We inform the customer of the issue and that we have a 3 strike policy regarding this. Typically Torrenting customers are problem customers and high usage anyways. The parents rarely understand, and typically they scare the kids into removing the programs. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: Ok. We just contacted a customer for the first time. We’ll take your advice I think and respond to them and save the customer the grief. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown If I get repeated requests for the same customer my response to a customer is to tell them they may have a virus, spyware, or a teenager. I spin it where the very act of doing this is slowing down the customer's connection. If they are a customer who seems reasonable it might be prudent to mention such activities could expose them to lawsuits by movie companies. I don't mention illegal as to not freak out most customers. On the flipside you have the customers who share files just to be defiant to the RIAA. I don't have time to debate them. I typically do not pass on the request directly to the customer. Too many shady firms out there. If the customer contacts them they can be bullied into paying money. I just file these requests away and do respond to CYA. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmellatrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:42:05 -0400 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown Ya we don’t give any customer information to anyone. We just pass along the takedown notice to the customer and tell them to stop. We were just wondering if anyone had any kind of official template or if they even passed along any notice to the customer at all stating they have been downloading copyrighted material. Does your customers even know they have been doing anything wrong before a subpoena is made? We’ve never received any of these until we switched providers. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown My .02 It's not illegal until a court, or law enforcement agency presents paperwork it is. It is not up to the ISP to be the Police. To me that’s a loosing scenario to determine what is lawful and what is not. Let the experts determine that. My response to these is something along these lines: Thank you for contacting us. We would be glad to cooperate with any official legal request. Please have your attorneys forward all appropriate paperwork toInsert Law Firm contact info here. If you want to take the extra step throw in there you charge an administrative fee for providing any information on this customer. After legal paperwork has been cleared by your attorney of course. After all, you are helping these people (most of these are from law firms seeking a bounty) make money themselves. The only way I would turn over any sort of customer info is due to a subpoena or other such legal document. Lessens your exposure for lawsuits from the customers based upon privacy concerns. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter From: Andy Trimmellatrimm...@precisionds.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:16:47 -0400 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown How do you all respond to these takedowns? Do we need to respond back to our provider with anything? We’ve just been passing the information onto the customer in jeopardy. Are we doing all of our part? Most of the time its kids downloading games. So we send the parents an email and phone call talking about the takedown request. Is that enough or should we be responding to the provider that we contacted the pesky kids that foiled everything? Thanks Andy Trimmell Network Administrator atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 ext 211 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown
For those of you who are just ignoring these: I'd recommend you read up on the DMCA safe harbor rules See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory infringement. -forrest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
