Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was free :-) , but it sure is sweet Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy... We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem.. On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote: We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub, but they have really nice webmail. YMMV, GL Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was. But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the customer's communications. Tucows doesn't. About how much is Tucows per box? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
Did you talk to the Irish people? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com *Sent*: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was free :-) , but it sure is sweet Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy... We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem.. On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote: We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub, but they have really nice webmail. YMMV, GL Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was. But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the customer's communications. Tucows doesn't. About how much is Tucows per box? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Did you talk to the Irish people? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was free :-) , but it sure is sweet Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy... We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem.. On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote: We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub, but they have really nice webmail. YMMV, GL Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was. But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the customer's communications. Tucows doesn't. About how much is Tucows per box? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Did you talk to the Irish people? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com *Sent*: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was free :-) , but it sure is sweet Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy... We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem.. On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote: We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub, but they have really nice webmail. YMMV, GL Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was. But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the customer's communications. Tucows doesn't. About how much is Tucows per box? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can. What is the issue? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones. Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The .. Irish... people? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Did you talk to the Irish people? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com *Sent*: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was free :-) , but it sure is sweet Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy... We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem.. On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote: We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub, but they have really nice webmail. YMMV, GL Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was. But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the customer's communications. Tucows doesn't. About how much is Tucows per box? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones. Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The .. Irish... people? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Did you talk to the Irish people? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote:Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents Nick Olsen Network Operations(855) FLSPEED x106 From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was free :-) , but it sure is sweet Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy... We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem.. On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote: We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub, but they have really nice webmail. YMMV, GL Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting We are using tucows/opensrs. The antispam isn't as good as Postini was. But we fired Postini/Google when I found out that they spy on the customer's communications. Tucows doesn't. About how much is Tucows per box? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7159 - Release Date: 03/06/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
For this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through a Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people reply all the message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped through our barracuda filter. Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by google SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 messages a minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is per-user. Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's incorrect. As no one user has received that much mail. The domain as a whole has. As well as a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that limit. After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send them headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the error message I was already given in the SMTP session (http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592). Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can. What is the issue? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones. Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The .. Irish... people? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote:Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations(855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Did you talk to the Irish people? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was free :-) , but it sure is sweet Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy... We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem.. On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote: We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub, but they have really nice webmail. YMMV, GL Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and
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If there are 300 members one reply to all is 300 messages in that one moment, which well exceeds 180/minute, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: For this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through a Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people reply all the message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped through our barracuda filter. Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by google SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 messages a minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is per-user. Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's incorrect. As no one user has received that much mail. The domain as a whole has. As well as a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that limit. After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send them headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the error message I was already given in the SMTP session ( http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592). Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can. What is the issue? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones. Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The .. Irish... people? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Did you talk to the Irish people? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com *Sent*: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all just a hyperlink and its done. It has been too easy. I didn't say it was free :-) , but it sure is sweet Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Wow, I went through a nightmare with a customer who was using GoDaddy... We switched them to gmail and they are happy now.. They got NO help from GoDaddy... around and around they went.. Both on our network and charter so was able to eliminate that as the problem.. On 03/06/2014 01:14 PM, Mac Dearman wrote: We have been outsourcing email/hosting..etc to GoDaddy for 26 months now and I can honestly say that it has been a real relief for us. Their spam solution has been good as well. We pay about .60 cents a month per sub,
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Agreed. Like I said. We exceed that on a per-domain or per-sendingIP basis. However, They swear that limit is per-user. So, User receives an email that is part of a list. Replies all, Which sends to an Alias. And that Alias spawns off 300+ emails to 300+ users. So no one user actually Received more then a few emails per minute. Just like this list. The mail server in question may send 300+ emails when I click send. But I, Nor you. Have received any more then a few messages. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:10 AM To: n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting If there are 300 members one reply to all is 300 messages in that one moment, which well exceeds 180/minute, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: For this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through a Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people reply all the message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped through our barracuda filter. Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by google SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 messages a minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is per-user. Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's incorrect. As no one user has received that much mail. The domain as a whole has. As well as a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that limit. After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send them headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the error message I was already given in the SMTP session (http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592). Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can. What is the issue? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote:Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones. Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The .. Irish... people? Nick Olsen Network Operations(855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Did you talk to the Irish people? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take care of the customer support. Everything the sub needs is provided for them in their webmail home page. Mobile email setup, outlook, Iphone, droid...etc is all just a hyperlink and
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But that one user sent 300 messages. I'm not talking about receiving. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Agreed. Like I said. We exceed that on a per-domain or per-sendingIP basis. However, They swear that limit is per-user. So, User receives an email that is part of a list. Replies all, Which sends to an Alias. And that Alias spawns off 300+ emails to 300+ users. So no one user actually Received more then a few emails per minute. Just like this list. The mail server in question may send 300+ emails when I click send. But I, Nor you. Have received any more then a few messages. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:10 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting If there are 300 members one reply to all is 300 messages in that one moment, which well exceeds 180/minute, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: For this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through a Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people reply all the message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped through our barracuda filter. Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by google SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 messages a minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is per-user. Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's incorrect. As no one user has received that much mail. The domain as a whole has. As well as a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that limit. After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send them headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the error message I was already given in the SMTP session ( http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592). Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can. What is the issue? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones. Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The .. Irish... people? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Did you talk to the Irish people? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:01 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Been dealing with Google Apps for education support on an email issue most of yesterday. They've proven to be completely useless thus far. /2cents Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Mac Dearman li...@inetsouth.com *Sent*: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:48 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well... I have never had a problem with godaddy and we take
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https://support.google.com/a/answer/166852?hl=en Where is the alias? Is this a Google/Gmail group? If that goes to something like sa...@foobar.com than I'm not sure where the rules apply Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Well, Technically they sent One. Because it sends to an alias. Which then sends to the rest of the users. That being said. They limit and error given specifically says Receiving. Not sending. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:20 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting But that one user sent 300 messages. I'm not talking about receiving. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Agreed. Like I said. We exceed that on a per-domain or per-sendingIP basis. However, They swear that limit is per-user. So, User receives an email that is part of a list. Replies all, Which sends to an Alias. And that Alias spawns off 300+ emails to 300+ users. So no one user actually Received more then a few emails per minute. Just like this list. The mail server in question may send 300+ emails when I click send. But I, Nor you. Have received any more then a few messages. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:10 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting If there are 300 members one reply to all is 300 messages in that one moment, which well exceeds 180/minute, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: For this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through a Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people reply all the message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped through our barracuda filter. Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by google SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 messages a minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is per-user. Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's incorrect. As no one user has received that much mail. The domain as a whole has. As well as a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that limit. After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send them headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the error message I was already given in the SMTP session ( http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592). Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can. What is the issue? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones. Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The .. Irish... people? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent*: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM *To*: n...@flhsi.com *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Josh Luthman
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I would never outsource to someone like Google or GoDaddy or... Only to places where you can call (or e-mail) someone that can affect a change in the server's configuration. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com To: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:21:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well, Technically they sent One. Because it sends to an alias. Which then sends to the rest of the users. That being said. They limit and error given specifically says Receiving. Not sending. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From : Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent : Friday, March 07, 2014 10:20 AM To : n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com Cc : WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting But that one user sent 300 messages. I'm not talking about receiving. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Agreed. Like I said. We exceed that on a per-domain or per-sendingIP basis. However, They swear that limit is per-user. So, User receives an email that is part of a list. Replies all, Which sends to an Alias. And that Alias spawns off 300+ emails to 300+ users. So no one user actually Received more then a few emails per minute. Just like this list. The mail server in question may send 300+ emails when I click send. But I, Nor you. Have received any more then a few messages. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From : Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent : Friday, March 07, 2014 10:10 AM To : n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com Cc : WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting If there are 300 members one reply to all is 300 messages in that one moment, which well exceeds 180/minute, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: blockquote For this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through a Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people reply all the message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped through our barracuda filter. Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by google SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 messages a minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is per-user. Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's incorrect. As no one user has received that much mail. The domain as a whole has. As well as a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that limit. After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send them headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the error message I was already given in the SMTP session ( http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592 ). Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From : Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent : Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM To : n...@flhsi.com Cc : WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can. What is the issue? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: blockquote Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones. Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The .. Irish... people? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From : Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent : Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM To : n...@flhsi.com Cc : WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject : Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: blockquote Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting
Well, Technically they sent One. Because it sends to an alias. Which then sends to the rest of the users. That being said. They limit and error given specifically says Receiving. Not sending. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:20 AM To: n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting But that one user sent 300 messages. I'm not talking about receiving. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Agreed. Like I said. We exceed that on a per-domain or per-sendingIP basis. However, They swear that limit is per-user. So, User receives an email that is part of a list. Replies all, Which sends to an Alias. And that Alias spawns off 300+ emails to 300+ users. So no one user actually Received more then a few emails per minute. Just like this list. The mail server in question may send 300+ emails when I click send. But I, Nor you. Have received any more then a few messages. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:10 AM To: n...@flhsi.com n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting If there are 300 members one reply to all is 300 messages in that one moment, which well exceeds 180/minute, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: For this particular customer. We/they filter their incoming mail through a Barracuda spam filter. From there it's forwarded to Google Apps. Well recently $CUSTOMER has been bouncing around a TON of internal email due to sending internal distribution lists. Then people reply all the message, Spawning another 300+ emails. So the key here. Is that google apps. Even for internal user to user mail. Does an MX lookup and sends the mail to whatever it gets back. So even their internal mail gets looped through our barracuda filter. Well, Mail started to stack up in the barracuda getting rejected by google SMTP for exceeding the users rate limit. Which is apparently 180 messages a minute, 3600 an hour. Or 86,400 a day. Google swears this is per-user. Not per domain. Or per sending IP. But it appears that's incorrect. As no one user has received that much mail. The domain as a whole has. As well as a single sending IP (Our barracuda) exceeded that limit. After about an hour on the phone with support. They asked me to send them headers. Only to reply four hours later with a carbon copy of the error message I was already given in the SMTP session (http://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592). Guess we'll see how they respond to my follow up email. Nick Olsen Network Operations(855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:44 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Eh If you can't fix my problem find someone who can. What is the issue? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 7, 2014 9:40 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Darn, And here I thought you had some kind of Google Apps secret for me. Like Talk to the Irish people, They're the competent ones. Granted, That would've been an awkward phone call. Can I speak to.. The .. Irish... people? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:36 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Well I'm bad at my foreign accents. I thought I read Scottish or Irish. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373On Mar 7, 2014 9:09 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Irish? No. Both foreign (Unknown origin) but not Irish for sure. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:07 AM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting Did you talk to the Irish people? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100
Re: [WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs
If you use bind, there's need to do rDNS blindly. Use $GENERATE to have bind create them for you. Works on forward and reverse. My reverse entrys have one line defining all the ip's in that certain block On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: It's always truly static :) Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Mark Spring m...@nktelco.net *Sent*: Thursday, March 06, 2014 10:24 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs Seems to me you wouldn't want to run down the list and create rDNS in the blind that says static in it unless it is truly static. Mark Spring Systems Analyst New Knoxville Telephone Company 301 W. South St. New Knoxville, OH 45871 419.753.5000 This message and the file(s) attached are confidential and proprietary information of NKTelco for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any unauthorized review, distribution, disclosure, copying, use, or dissemination, either whole or in part, is strictly prohibited. Do not transmit these documents, in any form, to any third party without the expressed written permission of NKTelco. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: We have entries for all of our space that is like 4-2-2-1.static.flhsi.com. And will insert records for a customer at their request for their static IP's. Never seen a website query for PTR before it would serve a page. But nothing surprises me these days. We specifically used the word Static in the PTR record because we found some mail providers would reject mail from them if it didn't include that word. And it was worse if it included anything like dynamic dyn. /YMMV Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 -- *From*: Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com *Sent*: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:07 PM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] rDNS for customer IPs It helps to include the word static in the PTR record. At least one RBL uses this as a litmus test for whether or not IPs are static vs. dynamic, and will add your addresses en masse to their dynamic address block lists. That is, if your give static IP addresses. -Kristian On 03/05/2014 01:16 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: Is it customary to provide rDNS for all customer public IP addresses? We just had a complaint of one particular website running very slow, our customer contacted the website owner who said it was because we needed to fix our rDNS. The website acts like it must be doing a rDNS lookup and waiting for it to time out before serving a page. We've not ever had this configured for customer IPs before. Are we supposed to? ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Micah Miller Network/Server Administrator Network Business Systems, Inc. Phone: 309-944-8823 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] CAF Rural Broadband Experiment Deadline
Don't forget, today is the last day to submit an informal expression of interest to the FCC on this matter. Our lawyer is expecting next week through March 31st for filing comments on the proceedings. -- *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
