Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Mike Hammett]

I haven't heard that. 

- Original Message -

From: "Judd Dare"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 11:35:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


Azure is far from reliable. 
On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter" < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: 



No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be. 
They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy . 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM, < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: 





So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down? 



On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: 





probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to their 
hosted core, it would be more difficult. 


The other way around works great though. 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes < 
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > wrote: 





Since LTE is a standard I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to the 
baicells EPC?? 


*gear spinning* 



On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter < ada...@amarillowireless.net > wrote: 





Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade offs to 
other vendors. 
for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc. 
Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already have 
one. so look at the long term when pricing. 


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing. I asked last week. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 





I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 


Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 

On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 






He said "real" good ;) 



- Original Message - 
From: Matt Hoppes 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 



As opposed to bad? :P. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 





"Good"? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 





True. It's good though. Real good. 

On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann < ch...@scsalaska.net > wrote: 





We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer that one. 
On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM, < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote: 





Whats the pricing like? 


On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
wrote: 






https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/ 

On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek < christ...@cybernet1.com > wrote: 





Ours* brain fart. 


We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and another in a 
small town center so we'll have a variety of testing. 







Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 



 Original message  
From: Christian Palecek < christ...@cybernet1.com > 
Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though. Only getting one I 
guess. 







Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone 



 Original message  
From: Chris Ruschmann < ch...@scsalaska.net > 
Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: WISPA General List < wireless@wispa.org > 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it? 


I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the gear today. 
On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" < mfran...@jmfsolutions.net > wrote: 




By: Douglas Adams 

"Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins 
because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, wars and so on-while all 
the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But 
conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more 
intelligent than man-for precisely the same reason." 

John Michael Francis II 
JMF Solutions, Inc 
Wavefly Technologies 
Internet - Voip - Cloud 
251-517-5069 
http://jmfsolutions.net 
http://wavefly.com 


On 6/17/2016 4:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



Anxiously awaiting your results...and a quote! 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Mike Francis < mfran...@jmfsolutions.net > 
wrote: 


We received our first shipment of gear this week and plan on beginning 
deployment next week. Will let you guys know. We are doing a mix-use 
test roll out with a gov cyber task force, so it will be well documented. 

Best regards, 

John M

Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[D. Ryan Spott]

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> On Jun 24, 2016, at 09:35, Judd Dare  wrote:
> 
> Azure is far from reliable.
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016 11:03 AM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:
>> No, just authentication. Or at least that's the way it should be.
>> They are hosting in azure and are supposed to have some good redundancy .
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 12:01 PM,  wrote:
>>> So if their hosted core takes a sh*t, all your users are down?
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2016, at 09:57, Adair Winter  
 wrote:
 
 probably possible but since it makes some sort of ipsec connection to 
 their hosted core, it would be more difficult.
 
 The other way around works great though.
 
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt Hoppes 
>  wrote:
> Since LTE is a standard  I wonder if you could hook a Telrad eNB to 
> the baicells EPC??
> 
> *gear spinning*
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:20, Adair Winter  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Baicells is going to have cheaper hardware but there will be some trade 
>> offs to other vendors.
>> for example, no 4x4, do dual carrier, etc.
>> Also you'll pay per user per month to use their core unless you already 
>> have one. so look at the long term when pricing.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Baicells referred me to a distributor for pricing.  I asked last week.
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2016 12:18 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
  wrote:
 I've said too much. I haven't said enough. 
 
 Ask Patrick for more details on pricing. 
 
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 11:59, CBB - Jay Fuller 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> He said "real" good ;)
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Matt Hoppes
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
> 
> As opposed to bad? :P. 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 08:03, Josh Luthman 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> "Good"?
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2016 8:02 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> True. It's good though. Real good. 
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2016, at 02:24, Chris Ruschmann  
 wrote:
 
 We all had to sign an NDA. So I'll let the baicells guys answer 
 that one.
 
 On Jun 17, 2016 9:05 PM,  wrote:
 Whats the pricing like?
 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 19:12, Matt Hoppes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/thewirelessninja/videos/1017353051688688/
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 21:07, Christian Palecek 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ours*  brain fart.
>> 
>> We are deploying in one of our most difficult nlos areas, and 
>> another in a small town center so we'll have a variety of 
>> testing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Christian Palecek 
>> Date: 6/17/16 7:02 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>> 
>> We'll have ares up pretty quick, don't have a SU yet though.  
>> Only getting one I guess.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Chris Ruschmann 
>> Date: 6/17/16 3:58 PM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?
>> 
>> I should have mine deployed next week as well. Just received the 
>> gear today.
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2016 1:11 PM, "Mike Francis" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> By: Douglas Adams
>>> "Man [has] always assumed that he was more intelligent than 
>>> dolphins because he had achieved so much-the wheel, New York, 
>>> wars and so on-while all the dolphins had ever done was muck 
>>> about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the 
>>> dolphins had

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Rick Harnish]

Ian,

 

I realize the comparison may not be relevant.  That’s why I made it clear (or 
attempted to) that there were variables about the tests that were different, 
like foliage and the D/U speed restrictions on the competitors test.  The 
competitors EPC was a hardware based EPC manufactured by the competitor, while 
the Baicells test was using the Baicells Cloud EPC.  I assume the Internet pipe 
was the same.  I assume the operator used the same laptop, although I don’t 
know for sure.  As far as I know, he used SpeedTest.net for both tests.  I 
don’t know about time of day, but that could definitely affect the tests.  I 
know the Baicells test was done midday.  The sample time was whatever the 
speedtest.net time is.   Ping times were not recorded.

 

We will publish more tests as they come in.  I will provide your suggestions to 
other operators (50) doing the trials.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ian Fraser
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:27 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

 

This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one 
without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'. 

What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe (maybe), 
Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely), duration of 
sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows), latency (?).  

So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable connection at 
the same single location.  

Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise what's the 
point ?

Ian

 

 

On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in South 
Carolina on Tuesday.  

 

Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in Reeseville, SC. 
Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged and Baicells was 
after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells

 

Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the  
 Baicells Facebook page

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

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Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:18 PM
To: WISPA General List   
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

+1.

 

 

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak 

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very 

>soon.

> 

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  

> > Care to comment on/off list?

> >

> > Josh Luthman

> > Office: 937-552-2340

> > Direct: 937-552-2343

> > 1100 Wayne St

> > Suite 1337

> > Troy, OH 45373

> >

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Rick Harnish]

In this case, the WISP trial operators are running the tests, independent of 
the vendor (Baicells).  I do know that our trial operators are putting the 
equipment to some challenging NLOS tests.  My job is to relay those results to 
the WISP audience as honestly as I can.  We expect those who doubt the cloud 
EPC platform and test results and that is fine.  Challenges to both will only 
make our product better.  Thank you for your thoughtful replies.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

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Baicells Technologies, N.A.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ian Fraser
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:50 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

I disagree.

 I can publish info that shows my truck can go faster than yours, on the "same" 
road under different conditions with a number of variables not accounted for 
including speed limit, driver, traffic conditions, tires, engine size, 
snow/ice/rain/clear sunny day, day/night and a dozen other things.  What does 
that prove ?  Would you then decide that you should buy the same kind of truck ?

Without the other variables accounted for this info says nothing of real value. 
 I'm not siding with any vendor.  I just want real comparative data so that I 
can make informed decisions and this is not that in the slightest.

Ian

 

On 6/25/2016 9:30 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Adding foliage and faster speeds...I mean that speaks pretty loudly.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 25, 2016 9:26 AM, "Ian Fraser" mailto:ian_fra...@gozoom.ca> > wrote:

 

This info is like comparing apples and oranges.  One with foliage and one 
without, one with 'Max 15/2' and the other no 'speed limit set'. 

What other differences not shown here ? EPC (probably), Internet pipe (maybe), 
Laptop and/or software used (probably), time of day (most likely), duration of 
sampling ? (impossible to tell), test rig used ? (who knows), latency (?).  

So all I can get from this is that both would not create a stable connection at 
the same single location.  

Please publish something comparative that we can chew on, otherwise what's the 
point ?

Ian

 

 

On 6/24/2016 12:32 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:

Wave 2 trials are just beginning.  Here are some results of a test in South 
Carolina on Tuesday.  

 

Test results of Baicells Nova eNodeB w/GPS and Alpha sector in Reeseville, SC. 
Note testing dates of competitor was before foliage emerged and Baicells was 
after foliage emerged. ‪#‎Baicells

 

Posted on Facebook WISP Talk, WISP Pics and will soon be on the  
 Baicells Facebook page

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443  

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com  

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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Mullen
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 3:18 PM
To: WISPA General List   
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

+1.

 

 

At 05:05 PM 17-06-2016, you wrote:

>I believe the canary would say people have deployed but can not speak 

>yet :P  Watch lists and Facebook, I'm sure details will forth come very 

>soon.

> 

>On 6/17/16 3:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> > Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  

> > Care to comment on/off list?

> >

> > Josh Luthman

> > Office: 937-552-2340  

> > Direct: 937-552-2343  

> > 1100 Wayne St

> > Suite 1337

> > Troy, OH 45373

> >

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Rick Harnish]

Nathan, 

 

Network security is very important to us.  We are working on developing a 
secure channel to operators to enable operators to change  ENB settings to flow 
to your own PGW.   We will let everyone know when we have this accomplished.  
Until then, our technical staff will need to do this in the interim.  It is a 
temporary limitation.  Thank you for pointing this out.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

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Baicells Technologies, N.A.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Nathan Anderson
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 3:12 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

There has been a lot of talk about network performance both just by itself as 
well as compared to other products, but one thing I would be interested in 
hearing more discussion on -- assuming Baicells allows for it at this point -- 
is the configuration and management interface(s).  Perhaps these UIs are in too 
embryonic a form currently for a productive discussion or a fair analysis to 
take place, and Baicells may be trying to concentrate this phase of the trial 
more on correct MAC function and performance.  But as somebody who is intrigued 
by the idea of running a few of these side-by-side with a competing product on 
a heterogeneous (vendor-wise) 3GPP network with our own core, it would be good 
to know what we are up against as far as ongoing monitoring and maintenance 
goes, since it's presumably a given that we aren't going to be able to use our 
existing vendor's NMS (for example) to monitor and control these.  Sooo...what 
does management look like at this point, what kinds of stats can you collect, 
and what mechanisms can you use to extract and collect them?  Do operators 
using these ENBs feel somewhat blind at this point or are you able to track all 
of the performance indicators that you feel you need in order to be able to 
diagnose issues?

 

As far as commissioning one of these ENBs goes, I would also be interested to 
know more about what that entails, especially given the claim of "4G Easy as 
WiFi."  So what does that mean in practice, exactly?  I admit I was a little 
disheartened to hear that at this point, in order to configure an ENB to send 
traffic to your own PGW, a Baicells engineer apparently has to remote into the 
thing to make the change for you.  I'm hoping that this is a temporary 
limitation while they continue to work on the (beta) software and that this 
isn't a permanent state of affairs or indicative of the direction they are 
going, because as Patrick himself said during his ISP Radio interview, "we all 
like to drive our own cars."  The goal of simplicity is a great one from both a 
"customer sat" and support perspective, so long as while you are chasing it you 
don't abandon or significantly hamper flexibility, restrict freedoms, and/or 
increase one's dependence on a third-party for every little thing.

 

-- Nathan

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org   
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 12:09 PM
To: a...@afmug.com  ; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

Does anyone besides the guys in Amarillo have this gear deployed?  Care to 
comment on/off list?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Rick Harnish]

I just got some additional information from Jesse Rausch.  It appears to be 
resolved.

 

Jesse:  You can simply change one parameter to use your own core.  MME IP is a 
web GUI parameter. An operator can change this to connect a Baicells eNB to a 
third party EPC. No remote programming is necessary for this.  If you want to 
disable the local breakout to use the EPC's PGW, then you can configure a 
parameter in the CLI for this, which everyone has access to.  Some customer may 
be sensitive to the fact that it is possible for technical employees of 
Baicells to remotely access their equipment. All customer radios have an IPsec 
tunnel to our cloud EPC. Because of this, I can remote into our cloud EPC, and 
from there, SSH into the client radio. It is recommended to change the default 
password on the eNB. This comes in very handy and I will at that point ask the 
customer for their password. For the duration of the trial, we will most likely 
keep ports open across the IPsec tunnel to make remote support easier.  After 
the trials, we will most likely recommend all ports be closed except for a port 
for technical support to login to the eNB if necessary.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.I 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 10:52 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

Nathan, 

 

Network security is very important to us.  We are working on developing a 
secure channel to operators to enable operators to change  ENB settings to flow 
to your own PGW.   We will let everyone know when we have this accomplished.  
Until then, our technical staff will need to do this in the interim.  It is a 
temporary limitation.  Thank you for pointing this out.

 

Respectfully,

 

Rick Harnish

Director of WISP Markets

Baicells Technologies, N.A.

Mobile: +1.972.922.1443

Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com  

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org   
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Anderson
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 3:12 AM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

 

There has been a lot of talk about network performance both just by itself as 
well as compared to other products, but one thing I would be interested in 
hearing more discussion on -- assuming Baicells allows for it at this point -- 
is the configuration and management interface(s).  Perhaps these UIs are in too 
embryonic a form currently for a productive discussion or a fair analysis to 
take place, and Baicells may be trying to concentrate this phase of the trial 
more on correct MAC function and performance.  But as somebody who is intrigued 
by the idea of running a few of these side-by-side with a competing product on 
a heterogeneous (vendor-wise) 3GPP network with our own core, it would be good 
to know what we are up against as far as ongoing monitoring and maintenance 
goes, since it's presumably a given that we aren't going to be able to use our 
existing vendor's NMS (for example) to monitor and control these.  Sooo...what 
does management look like at this point, what kinds of stats can you collect, 
and what mechanisms can you use to extract and collect them?  Do operators 
using these ENBs feel somewhat blind at this point or are you able to track all 
of the performance indicators that you feel you need in order to be able to 
diagnose issues?

 

As far as commissioning one of these ENBs goes, I would also be interested to 
know more about what that entails, especially given the claim of "4G Easy as 
WiFi."  So what does that mean in practice, exactly?  I admit I was a little 
disheartened to hear that at this point, in order to configure an ENB to send 
traffic to your own PGW, a Baicells engineer apparently has to remote into the 
thing to make the change for you.  I'm hoping that this is a temporary 
limitation while they continue to work on the (beta) software and that this 
isn't a permanent state of affairs or indicative of the direction they are 
going, because as Patrick himself said during his ISP Radio interview, "we all 
like to drive our own cars."  The goal of simplicity is a great one from both a 
"customer sat" and support perspective, so long as while you are chasing it you 
don't abandon or significantly hamper flexibility, restrict freedoms, and/or 
increase one's dependence on a third-party for every little thing.

 

-- Nathan

 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot service for MT

[Dan Harling]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Scott Piehn  wrote:
> I am looking for recommendations from anyone using a radius server for MT
> hotspot authentication and billing for temporary service.  Ours needs to be
> replaced

We've been using RadiusManager, albeit on a modest scale, for years.

Daniel Harling  <><
Engineering, Cape Ann Communications
183 Main Street, Gloucester, MA  01930
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot service for MT

[Robert Clark]

I to have been using radius manager
For about 8 years


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On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Scott Piehn  wrote:
> I am looking for recommendations from anyone using a radius server for 
> MT hotspot authentication and billing for temporary service.  Ours 
> needs to be replaced

We've been using RadiusManager, albeit on a modest scale, for years.

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot service for MT

[Jim Patient]

Have you looked at HSNM?  It actually configures the MT for you.  When you make 
a change in the web interface, it writes a script, sends it to the MT router 
and runs it.  It also integrates with Cisco/Meraki and Rukus. It has third 
party billing for advertising, youtube video integration for the splash pages, 
and social media login.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48uIP5k1nY

Give me a call if you have questions on it.


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Of Scott Piehn
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Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot service for MT

I am looking for recommendations from anyone using a radius server for MT 
hotspot authentication and billing for temporary service.  Ours needs to be 
replaced

thanks in advance

-
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Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

[Nathan Anderson]

Rick,

This is great info/news!  Thanks for taking the time to research and clarify.  
My concern wasn't even with security so much as having the ability to take our 
destiny into our own hands without the need for hand-holding every step of the 
way, and needing to make sure that schedules always mesh between our engineers 
and yours every time we want to commission a new base station.  But you raise 
some good points, and it is also good to know that there isn't a universal 
backdoor that we need to worry about possibly being discovered and exploited by 
a malicious third-party.

Thanks again,

-- Nathan

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Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 8:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

I just got some additional information from Jesse Rausch.  It appears to be 
resolved.

Jesse:  You can simply change one parameter to use your own core.  MME IP is a 
web GUI parameter. An operator can change this to connect a Baicells eNB to a 
third party EPC. No remote programming is necessary for this.  If you want to 
disable the local breakout to use the EPC's PGW, then you can configure a 
parameter in the CLI for this, which everyone has access to.  Some customer may 
be sensitive to the fact that it is possible for technical employees of 
Baicells to remotely access their equipment. All customer radios have an IPsec 
tunnel to our cloud EPC. Because of this, I can remote into our cloud EPC, and 
from there, SSH into the client radio. It is recommended to change the default 
password on the eNB. This comes in very handy and I will at that point ask the 
customer for their password. For the duration of the trial, we will most likely 
keep ports open across the IPsec tunnel to make remote support easier.  After 
the trials, we will most likely recommend all ports be closed except for a port 
for technical support to login to the eNB if necessary.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Director of WISP Markets
Baicells Technologies, N.A.I
Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 10:52 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Baicells - who's deployed it?

Nathan,

Network security is very important to us.  We are working on developing a 
secure channel to operators to enable operators to change  ENB settings to flow 
to your own PGW.   We will let everyone know when we have this accomplished.  
Until then, our technical staff will need to do this in the interim.  It is a 
temporary limitation.  Thank you for pointing this out.

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Director of WISP Markets
Baicells Technologies, N.A.
Mobile: +1.972.922.1443
Email: rick.harn...@baicells.com
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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Anderson
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 3:12 AM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
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There has been a lot of talk about network performance both just by itself as 
well as compared to other products, but one thing I would be interested in 
hearing more discussion on -- assuming Baicells allows for it at this point -- 
is the configuration and management interface(s).  Perhaps these UIs are in too 
embryonic a form currently for a productive discussion or a fair analysis to 
take place, and Baicells may be trying to concentrate this phase of the trial 
more on correct MAC function and performance.  But as somebody who is intrigued 
by the idea of running a few of these side-by-side with a competing product on 
a heterogeneous (vendor-wise) 3GPP network with our own core, it would be good 
to know what we are up against as far as ongoing monitoring and maintenance 
goes, since it's presumably a given that we aren't going to be able to use our 
existing vendor's NMS (for example) to monitor and control these.  Sooo...what 
does management look like at this point, what kinds of stats can you collect, 
and what mechanisms can you use to extract and collect them?  Do operators 
using these ENBs feel somewhat blind at this point or are you able to track all 
of the performance indicators that you feel you need in order to be able to 
diagnose issues?

As far as commissioning one of these ENBs goes, I would also be interested to 
know more about what that entails, especially given the claim of "4G Easy as 
WiFi."  So what does that mean in practice, exactly?  I admit I was a little 
disheartened to hear that at this point, in order to confi

Re: [WISPA] Hotspot service for MT

[Ian Fraser]

Radius Manager 3 or 4

At one time I had a few dozen hotspots on RM3

Ian


On 6/27/2016 9:58 AM, Scott Piehn wrote:
I am looking for recommendations from anyone using a radius server for 
MT hotspot authentication and billing for temporary service.  Ours 
needs to be replaced


thanks in advance

-
Scott M Piehn


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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot service for MT

[Paolo Di Francesco]

it depends on your budget and on your goal

there are various around but the main question is how much you think you 
want to pay such a service

for small and simple installations radius manager could be a solution

there are also many online "cloud" solutions for MT



> I am looking for recommendations from anyone using a radius server for 
> MT hotspot authentication and billing for temporary service.  Ours 
> needs to be replaced
>
> thanks in advance
>
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